2010.05.25 19:00 - Suddenly Listening

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.


    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cal;
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening,Eos
    Calvino Rabeni: Have you ever heard of "America Speaks" ?
    Eos Amaterasu: sounds familiar, but tell me more....
    Calvino Rabeni: I just learned about them - a nonpartisan organization that runs large scale "town meetings" events on political topics.
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.americaspeaks.org/
    Eos Amaterasu: a necessary art
    Calvino Rabeni: And now, coming to Second Life, for the very first time.
    Eos Amaterasu: We need an "Earth Speaks"
    Calvino Rabeni: One group here in SL has worked hard to set up an in-world "avatar" fo that event - hooked into their process in real time.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, we need that - maybe we can get there step by step
    Eos Amaterasu: "you speaking, america speaking" :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: I'll have to check out the "inworld" avatar of.. (what event?)
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, as long as I'm plugging it, there's a SL group called Deliberative Ideas
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE7mkcleuI0
    Calvino Rabeni: They have been working hard to pull the process together here in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: So it is actually part of the event - the comments etc, are aggregated from SL with equal status to the RL events
    Eos Amaterasu watched a bit; will have to watch whole thing later
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, great idea
    Eos Amaterasu: Kind of what we did with "Triple World Cafe"
    Calvino Rabeni: http://delibcaideas.org/
    Eos Amaterasu: World Cafe process in RL, over Skype, and in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, same kind of ideas
    Calvino Rabeni: I was attending these in RL in Seattle also


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: Is there anything analogous to PaB in these processes?
    Calvino Rabeni: They were focused at a kind of middle level of scale - the neighborhood / community level
    Calvino Rabeni: I see it as analogous but at different levels of scale
    Calvino Rabeni: I think the community level is a kind of sweet spot
    Calvino Rabeni: and one that needs some affirmative action :)
    Calvino Rabeni: But, to kind of answer your question - I think what is learned at one level can be transferable to another
    Eos Amaterasu: that's the challenge: how to go from personal PaB in individuals
    Calvino Rabeni: In fact maybe it all works together
    Eos Amaterasu: to community PaB
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I've been mulling that one over for a while too, Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: I think it's possible in small groups
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I do too
    Eos Amaterasu: hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eos, Cal
    Eos Amaterasu: shared presence
    Eos Amaterasu: from which shared decisiveness
    Calvino Rabeni: It's raining here today too Steve
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to hear your thoughts about that Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: and hot my Montreal friends tell me
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is the floating box?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yakusan left that there by accident, I think]
    Eos Amaterasu: belongs to Yak

    Eos Amaterasu: shared experience is necessary
    Eos Amaterasu: then maybe you can have shared quiet
    Eos Amaterasu: relaxation, origin
    Eos Amaterasu: and from that action
    Eos Amaterasu: part of that is creating perceptions
    Eos Amaterasu: together
    Eos Amaterasu: need a shared relation to where you're coming from (earth)
    Eos Amaterasu: and where you're going, your intention (heaven)

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I was fishing for that .... that's a poetic way to say it, sometimes I think in just those terms
    Eos Amaterasu: ( Taoist heaven / earth / man categorical schema of the imagination )
    Calvino Rabeni: In practice it may mean, people don't just meet with their intellects to solve problems, but it helps if they already feel emotionally together, by having enjoyable social activities
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght I like that schema
    Calvino Rabeni: Here we sit, if we think about it, we get a little taller :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yeah. I've been to javanese shadow puppet plays, and they seem like a good model of event / story-telling / myth / topicality creating a community
    Eos Amaterasu: In our case the TV news is the screen of shadows
    Calvino Rabeni: I've never seen that - sounds interesting
    Eos Amaterasu: it needs more interweaving, conscious, with the mythological
    Eos Amaterasu: to expose its own myths
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eos Amaterasu: humor!
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: 90 secs coming up: suggestions?


    --BELL--


    stevenaia Michinaga: was thinking what are we here but puppets of our own creation
    Calvino Rabeni: i was thinking about the mythical level of things
    Eos Amaterasu: how do we do that?
    Eos Amaterasu: (be our own puppeteers, that is)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it's a good thing to create myths where they are needed
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps they start without perceived power
    Eos Amaterasu: they happen in songs
    Calvino Rabeni: as inventions, that wouldn't immediately get recognition
    Calvino Rabeni: Artists "traffic" in myth all the time, as poets

    stevenaia Michinaga: :) we are entirely avatars of our own purpose, like the puppets are, only the stories are a bit closer to ourselves

    Calvino Rabeni: But they usually remain external, pretty much, to individuals
    Calvino Rabeni: as long as they are seen as entertainment
    Calvino Rabeni: or as "content" or documents (like literature)
    Calvino Rabeni: But some people seem to adopt them, and "live into" them.
    Eos Amaterasu: ah, the rub is how to tune in to our own purpose, Stevenaia
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not suggesting individuals can just make them up willy-nilly,
    Eos Amaterasu: myths are also sold to give people identities
    Calvino Rabeni: but they might have a role in making them come into being
    Calvino Rabeni: For instance, I might be inspired by your earler comment Eos
    Calvino Rabeni: and decide that "I am a Weaver"
    stevenaia Michinaga: for some it's easier to be yourself here, for others it's impossible
    stevenaia Michinaga: exploring yourself here
    Calvino Rabeni: May people seek their own calling or mission - that's certainly, personal mythmaking
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe it takes a lot of exploration first, to later start to "see" the pattern
    Calvino Rabeni: LIke watching a nature scene, it takes a while to know what is going on
    Eos Amaterasu: thrashing around like babies
    Calvino Rabeni: (See the tao of it or whatever)
    Calvino Rabeni: Called "Play" I think :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, perhaps the depth is realizing that it's not all surface
    Calvino Rabeni: !
    Eos Amaterasu: consumer culture is to go from surface facet to surface facet
    Eos Amaterasu: monetization of attention
    Eos Amaterasu: Play is stepping back a bit
    Calvino Rabeni: A lot of conditioning then
    Eos Amaterasu: while doing it
    Calvino Rabeni: A creative element enters into play
    Eos Amaterasu: consumer culture: the "next thing"
    Calvino Rabeni: Like imagining a path, then walking onto it
    Calvino Rabeni: Rather than following the programmed steps
    Eos Amaterasu: earth culture: the "first thing"
    Calvino Rabeni: The lack of that, is a great suffering
    Eos Amaterasu: categorical schema of the imagination laying out the building blocks
    Calvino Rabeni: an unconscious one though

    Eos Amaterasu: heuristic: look for processes that discover stillness
    Calvino Rabeni: another - be still my heart, then be stirred by something greater
    Eos Amaterasu: the nine secs is one such
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, be still; then....
    Eos Amaterasu: you're present in openness
    Calvino Rabeni: The Taoist tale "Fasting of the Heart" made a point of the ultimate practicality of that step into emptiness
    Calvino Rabeni: As a gateway
    Calvino Rabeni: "The hole in the center is what makes it useful"
    Calvino Rabeni: Giving the wheel something to turn around, the urn a place to store its water
    Calvino Rabeni: Coming up 90 secs - openness - what floods in?


    --BELL--


    Calvino Rabeni: EMotional nourishment, then physical - the dinner bell is ringing!
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, friends, GTG now :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Calvino is having a Pavlovian response
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: FLoods in, in my thoughts what flooded in was the space defined by the container
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Be well :
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes the space is defined by the saounds that fill it, not the container
    stevenaia Michinaga: haven't heard the owl for some time
    Eos Amaterasu: we may not be living in a synchronous world
    Eos Amaterasu: just heard it
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting aspect of SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: we can see or hear different things from the same place
    Eos Amaterasu: and I could be wearing rose-colored HUDs
    Eos Amaterasu: I can even change the time of day :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Eos Amaterasu: we can exist on this level (SL)
    stevenaia Michinaga: love when go somewhere and you are told to make it midnight
    Eos Amaterasu: and guide our intention in RL
    stevenaia Michinaga: almost like the joining of overlapping dimensions
    stevenaia Michinaga: that they say are "out there"
    Eos Amaterasu: active imagination
    Eos Amaterasu: shapes reality
    Eos Amaterasu: doing it, not consuming it
    Eos Amaterasu: weird to call people "consumers"
    stevenaia Michinaga: not if you are a producer
    Eos Amaterasu: whereas we tend to think of our identites more as potencies, what we can do: ourselves as creators
    stevenaia Michinaga: I looked this up a while ago, thought I'd share it
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://chippit.tripod.com/fasting.html
    Eos Amaterasu loves
    "And when the faculties are empty, 
    then the whole being listens. "
    Eos Amaterasu: the nine secs is "suddenly listen"
    Eos Amaterasu: "suddenly listening"
    Eos Amaterasu: connect to "being listening" by dropping the faculties
    Eos Amaterasu: (should take that slogan to the universities :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: grins
    Eos Amaterasu: smash the room full of mirrors
    Eos Amaterasu: now there's a whole world there for me to see


    --BELL--


    stevenaia Michinaga: time for me to go
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: moi aussi, thank you Stevenaia
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