2010.05.26 19:00 - Love Chicken

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Although the session's title was just mentioned in passing, it was difficult to pass up.  Most of the discussion was about urban environments in RL and SL and what contributes to their success and in come cases their demise.  


    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lexi
    stevenaia Michinaga: .... 3 day old Lexi dissappears
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Cal
    stevenaia Michinaga: we must keep the same hours
    Calvino Rabeni: live in the same continent ...
    Calvino Rabeni: I rarely attend 7am meets here though, do you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m usually begining work
    stevenaia Michinaga: unless it;s a special occasion/event
    Calvino Rabeni: So you can log on SL from wherever Work happens
    stevenaia Michinaga: have laptop will travel, I use the same machne for work and play, as it should be
    Calvino Rabeni: Travel for work?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, I plug into the internet at work, or the coffeeshop for lunch if I have time to relax
    stevenaia Michinaga: I work in a small enough town where you can meet people you need to talk to just by being "around"
    Calvino Rabeni: That's nice, I like living in a small town (which I do part-time)
    stevenaia Michinaga: have coffee in the morning and the Mayor may walk in
    stevenaia Michinaga: intend to call someone in the PM and your paths cross over lunch
    Calvino Rabeni: This town is about 20,000; how about yours?
    stevenaia Michinaga: there are few enough "good " places that everyone knows where they are
    Calvino Rabeni: It's good to encounter the same people spontaneously
    stevenaia Michinaga: about 26,000
    Calvino Rabeni: it gives a sense of place and community
    stevenaia Michinaga: *about
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, what people try to do in corporate archtiecture, create city life
    Calvino Rabeni: And very convenient - all you need is a couple minutes away, either by foot or car or bike
    stevenaia Michinaga: although it;s a 20 minute drive from where I live, I can take a bus 3 block from home and be left off 2 blocks from my office (and 50 minutes later plus the walk
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometims I take the bus, when it;s very hot or very snowy
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lexi
    stevenaia Michinaga: Join us?
    stevenaia Michinaga: It's nice to have option in how you move from here to there
    Calvino Rabeni: It's gotten linked by internet now too
    stevenaia Michinaga: walk to lunch, coose from Carribian, Mexican, Italian, Japanese, all within walking distance
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a city-wide WiFI
    stevenaia Michinaga: in most places
    stevenaia Michinaga: so you're never far, even the parks in town ahve free wireless
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, plave have a seat
    stevenaia Michinaga: please
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you need assistance
    stevenaia Michinaga: when a town is small enough to walk, you often encounter interesting people every day
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it can work in urban areas too, but only with some arrangements and luck
    Calvino Rabeni: I still remember the first person I saw here in 1996, when I encounter him on the street or in the park
    stevenaia Michinaga: Lexi, we record what is said here, it it ok to include your words?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Dao
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Dao
    Lexi Sparrowtree: ok
    Dao Yheng: Hi Calvino, Stevenaia and Lexi
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you, I gave you a notecard with some information about what we do here


    Dao Yheng: Gentlemen, thanks for letting me sit quietly here for a bit -- I'm off to bed!
    Calvino Rabeni: Very welcome Dao
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Dao, nice meeting you
    Dao Yheng: Good night :)!
    Calvino Rabeni: Dao is in Ways of Knowing
    stevenaia Michinaga: a group that meets at an inconvenient time for me
    stevenaia Michinaga: me
    Calvino Rabeni: during the workday then
    Calvino Rabeni: 2:30 pm Thursday
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, says it meets Sundays
    Calvino Rabeni: MM, it moved time slots
    stevenaia Michinaga: hard to keep up
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice that PaB is always here
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, like an always-open diner
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I know orginally the Kera Cafe was to be a hub of activity, but I haven't been there in quite some time, is it strictly events driven?
    Calvino Rabeni: It's hardly used - I think, a few workshops meet there per week
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, it would be great if it were a social center one could drop into spontaneously with good expectation of something interesting happening
    stevenaia Michinaga: there used to be SIM here that was like that, always active, sometiems interesting, but then the owner pulled the plug
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmmm, I wonder if there's a technology aid possible to get that to happen
    Calvino Rabeni: What SIM?
    stevenaia Michinaga: it was the right mix
    stevenaia Michinaga: Mill Pond, it as created by someone in charge of the virtual ... worlds at Penn State University
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinks got out of hand for her so she just closed it down, interesting how that can happen here
    stevenaia Michinaga: one moment a thiving community, the next, poof
    Calvino Rabeni: How did it get out of hand?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think it bacam so popular the grifters moved in and made things uncivil, I missed much of that, but I knew many people who rented homes and stores and were given a months notice (I think)
    Calvino Rabeni: No police then :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Once you have to police all the reports of such things the joy of creation may be lost
    Calvino Rabeni: The utopian idea of a police-free state doesn't seem to be workable
    Calvino Rabeni: Even in a "start from scratch" reality such as SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: as we know from here, even a ingle individual can consume large amounts of to to be handled propertly
    Calvino Rabeni: "Wherever we go, there we are"
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, even second life has all aspects of reality in its fabric
    Calvino Rabeni: In spite of that, I'd say, this sim has worked better than I may have expected
    stevenaia Michinaga: considering its diversity, there must be some comonality that balances the group
    Calvino Rabeni: There's the occasional beggar, a rare griefer, a couple people with "issues"
    Calvino Rabeni: But rarely necessary to do any bouncer stuff
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you sit and seek openness within , sometimes by watching others... it seems to have a sedating affect
    Calvino Rabeni: An occasional missionary
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like we can all be stoners and appear simillarly
    Calvino Rabeni: What's a stoner?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pot smokers
    Calvino Rabeni: You mean, throws stones, or gets "loaded"?
    stevenaia Michinaga: we would just be less cohearent, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: loaded
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps a bad anal\ogy
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking about habits of thinking
    stevenaia Michinaga: habits?
    Calvino Rabeni: I read an article about U.S. situation in Afghanistan
    Calvino Rabeni: A friend read the same article - said "that's a poor article"
    Calvino Rabeni: I said - did it inform you about what's happening there?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Did it give you insight into the views of the commanders and their strategies?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Did it provide useful strategic information?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Did it make you feel any better about the whole situation?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, then why was it a poor article?
    Calvino Rabeni: --> Because it didn't have the answer about what we should DO!
    stevenaia Michinaga: the habit was the expectation?
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, the expectation that the only value of such articles is to solve problems
    Calvino Rabeni: And that understanding outside that, has no value
    Calvino Rabeni: See, to that point of view, what happens here at PaB would look pointless
    Calvino Rabeni: Open awareness, with no immediate usefulness
    Calvino Rabeni: So it's a foreign habit relative to the participants here at PaB
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it could appear that way
    stevenaia Michinaga: another way of seeking the answer
    Calvino Rabeni: "THE" answer
    stevenaia Michinaga: that too
    Calvino Rabeni: that's the apearance of not-openness
    Calvino Rabeni: the answer is predetermined by the question
    Foxtree Gorbunov joins us

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Foxtree
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi fox
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Hi Calvino and Steven
    Calvino Rabeni: Steve, I have a RL event to attend, have to leave
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks for the chat
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: See you later Steve/FOx
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanls for joining me
    Foxtree Gorbunov: take care
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Foxtree
    Foxtree Gorbunov: yes I have
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Foxtree Gorbunov: your self?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes,a few years :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: wondered in when it was very new
    Foxtree Gorbunov: new....That is a strange word the days
    Foxtree Gorbunov: 'New'
    stevenaia Michinaga: well it was about a month after the group was formed
    stevenaia Michinaga: it certainly was new to me
    Foxtree Gorbunov: but the gruop is only what? Five year old? I mean thinkg on it; is the world moving so fast now that we seem to be in a "new" age alomst ever week.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think its just over 2 years old
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems like we are still at the very begining
    Foxtree Gorbunov: okay two years. Would you call a two year old child: Old?
    Foxtree Gorbunov: We are at the begining.
    stevenaia Michinaga: only to a one year old,I suppose
    Foxtree Gorbunov: good point.
    stevenaia Michinaga: it cerainly is relative
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Thing is: In my life time computers went for the size of a room to lap tops. And, can even go faster.
    Foxtree Gorbunov: SL is "New"
    Foxtree Gorbunov: But people act as if SL has alway been around
    stevenaia Michinaga: but if you meet 4x a day for 2 years, much has been discussed here, and much more to follow
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you always been a furry here
    Foxtree Gorbunov: yes:
    Foxtree Gorbunov: That was one of the things that attacted me to SL
    Foxtree Gorbunov: To be free in the fur
    Foxtree Gorbunov: how about you? Always been a fleshy?
    stevenaia Michinaga: started being a woman fleshy, now a man
    stevenaia Michinaga: a very versitile play
    stevenaia Michinaga: place
    Foxtree Gorbunov: ture: but you have to be you. Maybe even a ture you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Foxtree Gorbunov: I just recalled. I have to take some picture for the Love Chicken
    Foxtree Gorbunov: I must be going
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Love Chicken
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Well, it use to be a radio show on WMOR. in Morehead, Kentucky. But, the guy that makes the show is going to start putting it on You Tube
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx, nice chatting
    Foxtree Gorbunov: see soon
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