2010.05.29 13:00 - Wheelchairs and identities

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Liza Deischer. The comments are by Liza Deischer.

    We started with a pause of about half an hour, me and Yaku. Then Gaya, Zen and Steve came in, followed (after hours) by Paradise and Eliza, and finally by Bleu. Steve gave us a topic and an interesting discussion developed from there. We have been exploring the way we like to communicate with others and how our disabilities are influencing our feel of identity. Lots of questions I still wanted to ask this night, but well, Rome hasn't been build in one day too, right

    We started off with how we can learn more about each other. Can we only do that by talking or are there other ways

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi
    Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
    Liza Deischer: I justed wanted to ask if you're okay, but you were probably still rezzing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes got some trouble


    Liza Deischer: hey Gaya :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Liza Deischer: Hi Zen, Steven :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Zen Arado: Hi all:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya
    Zen Arado: Hi Steve:)
    Liza Deischer: oops (Steve accidently tried Zen's shoulder as a place to sit)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, better rezz a bit more


    Liza Deischer: Yaku and I have been sitting quietly together, so we don't have a topic yet
    Liza Deischer: something somebody would like to talk about?
    stevenaia Michinaga: lots happens at half time
    Liza Deischer: yes :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: life's surprises
    Liza Deischer: as topic steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Liza Deischer: can you say a bit more?
    stevenaia Michinaga: who you meet, when you meet them
    Liza Deischer: and the surprising part?
    stevenaia Michinaga: joy can be found in even the simplest things
    stevenaia Michinaga: if you look carefully
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be overlooked by many people
    Liza Deischer: true Steve
    Liza Deischer: can you give an example?
    Zen Arado: you don't necessarily have to get a new ipad :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: even if it's just sitting quietly with more friends
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: now comes to mind
    stevenaia Michinaga: guards down, levels of comfort up
    stevenaia Michinaga: it doesn't have to take much effort
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems you can breathe deeper around friends
    Liza Deischer: different then when you're alone, yes
    Liza Deischer: sometimes you seem to be in the same timing, same rhythm
    Liza Deischer: that can feel very nice
    stevenaia Michinaga: different than no one with you vs people with you that you can just relax around
    stevenaia Michinaga: hard to have a group hug alone
    Zen Arado: I would like to know people here better
    Zen Arado: know more about their history
    Liza Deischer: so you would like to talk Zen?
    Zen Arado: would take a long time for me
    Liza Deischer: I think the question is when friends are telling you the most
    Liza Deischer: sometimes I feel like that happens when I can be silent with somebody
    Liza Deischer: and don't feel awkward
    Liza Deischer: and only saying something if you feel to it
    Liza Deischer: or need to
    Zen Arado: you can be comfortable with people without knowing much about them?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, that's not what happens much in RL
    Liza Deischer: sometimes yes
    Liza Deischer: but then something different is happening, then just talking
    Zen Arado: 'getting to know you' as the song goes usually involves self revelation to the other person surely?
    Zen Arado: sharing information about your likes and dislikes for instance
    Liza Deischer: it sometimes feels like you communicate on different levels
    Liza Deischer: not only by talking
    stevenaia Michinaga: sharing history filling in much wondering about how we got here

    Liza Deischer: wb Yaku
    Zen Arado: wb Y
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx

    Liza Deischer: I found out for myself that I'm not always a talker
    Liza Deischer: to me I really start to learn about somebody just by being with them
    Liza Deischer: sharing space and time


    Zen Arado: Hi Sharon :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: helllo SophiaSharon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya sll
    Liza Deischer: hi sharon :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :)

    Zen Arado: sharing with Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: but I need to say that I also found out that most people start to get to know one and other by sharing information
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sharon :)
    Liza Deischer: it is interesting that people do that in different ways
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you share what you think is important , or to answer a question asked of you?
    Liza Deischer: sometimes I feel I only answer question, getting so much :-)
    Liza Deischer: because for some people that is the way to get to know each other
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in rl or sl stevenaia?
    Zen Arado: what if a sl friend tells you little about themselves?
    stevenaia Michinaga: here, either
    Liza Deischer: I'm more an observer
    Liza Deischer: see how people act in situations
    Liza Deischer: relaxed or not
    Liza Deischer: things like that
    Liza Deischer: so when there is silence, I only share info that is coming up at that moment
    Liza Deischer: and sometimes I start babbling :-))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Liza Deischer: Zen, do you feel like you sometimes share 'information' on other levels?
    Zen Arado: sometimes you create a role for yourself
    Zen Arado: never thought about it Liza
    Liza Deischer: hmm interesting
    Zen Arado: assume you have to talk all the time
    Zen Arado: I find it difficult to be with people who won't tell me about themselves
    Liza Deischer: yes, I know what you mean, but to me that is a different issue
    Liza Deischer: I mean Im willing to talk, but I also exchange info in another way
    Liza Deischer: and you Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I prefer to be asked a questions or to be in a group conversation anout a tipic I have ideas about
    stevenaia Michinaga: in terms of what I share
    stevenaia Michinaga: but the babble approach does happen now and then
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Zen Arado: I think of it as a mutual exchange
    Zen Arado: guess I'm an inveterate babbler :)
    Liza Deischer: :-) Zen
    stevenaia Michinaga: I hope my profile helps begin those conversations too
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks up "inveterate"
    stevenaia Michinaga: always learning something new here, even if it's a word
    Liza Deischer is looking at steve's profile
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is a somewhat random collection of thoughts
    Gaya Ethaniel is lagging and doesn't dare to open anything in SL.
    Zen Arado: Steve is an architect and you are a builder Liza :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think conversation can be like that between two people, a random collection of thought, esp if they're friends
    Liza Deischer: yes I notice, like the single malt scotch :-)
    Liza Deischer: right :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: actually the scotch is not the random part :)
    Liza Deischer: I pick out the less important thing :-)
    Zen Arado: Hi Paradise:)

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi paradise
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya everyone :)


    Paradise Tennant: waves all round
    Liza Deischer: hi Paradise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: hey zen .. steve.. yakuzza ..gaya ..liza .. sophia
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eliza
    Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :)
    Paradise Tennant: hey eliza :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza :)
    Liza Deischer: hi Eliza :-)

    Liza Deischer: we are talking about different ways of talking to each other
    Eliza Madrigal: How interesting
    Paradise Tennant: good topic !
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Zen Arado: or keeping quiet :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry have to go :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Sharon :)
    Zen Arado: bye Sharon:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sharon :)
    Paradise Tennant: take care sophia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Paradise Tennant: waves
    Liza Deischer: bye Sharon

    Liza Deischer: like you can exchange verbal information, but also on other levels
    stevenaia Michinaga: quiet is one way of communication
    Zen Arado: sub vocal communication
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems the warmth shows louder when it;s quiet
    Liza Deischer: nicely put :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: I need to say that when the group is growing, silence to me is more difficult :-)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
    Liza Deischer: (for somebody who likes silence)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the pressure?
    Liza Deischer: no, I think so much different ......I don't know
    Liza Deischer: it is like it is getting busier in my head
    Liza Deischer: or in my body I should say

    then Steve changes the subject, asking about the the person behind the computer: what is the difference between the 'person' on screen and the one sitting behind it

    stevenaia Michinaga: is everyone as comfy at their computer as they are sitting here in SL?

    which of course was a trigger to make some jokes about it :-), but getting more serious when we get along

    Paradise Tennant: finds it much easier to wear high heels in sl than rl :)
    Zen Arado: wouldn't try a lotus posture in RL
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles @ Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Liza Deischer: I'm trying to figure out if there is a difference for me
    Gaya Ethaniel: ?
    Liza Deischer: no, right Zen, but is there a real difference at this moment between the person here in sl and the one in rl?
    Zen Arado: oh yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: there never is for me
    Eliza Madrigal: No one ever says to Eliza "You look tired are you okay?"
    Zen Arado: Zen is a total misrepresentation :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at eliza .. "Are you okay?"
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Liza Deischer: yes, I understand the differences of course
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Zen Arado: perhaps I am being dishonest
    Liza Deischer: but besides those things......
    Liza Deischer: I wonder
    Zen Arado: was thinking about that lately
    Liza Deischer: for myself that is
    Liza Deischer: you like to say more Zen?
    Zen Arado: well I am a lot older for a start


    the question gets concentrated around disabilities we might have in rl

    Zen Arado: if you use a wheelchair in RL should you have one in SL?
    Liza Deischer: no
    Paradise Tennant: absolutely not!
    Zen Arado: but you give a false impression of yourself then
    Liza Deischer: but I still wonder Zen, besides those big differences, are you really different here, or is sl a reflection of a part of yourself ?
    Paradise Tennant: not sure impressions are important as the enjoying the ability to choose .. :)
    Paradise Tennant: nods at liza
    Zen Arado: well you shouldn't take an identity from a disability I think
    Liza Deischer: ah, interesting point
    Paradise Tennant: and what you choose is also a reflection of you :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i remember a guy i talked to for a while who used a wheelchair in sl while in rl he wasn´t already at that point of his decease
    Zen Arado: I've heard of people using wheelchairs in SL
    Zen Arado: I saw a guy with one leg one time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and he had a selfhelp group for multiple sclerosis
    Liza Deischer: I have disabilities too, and they define my life in a profound way
    Zen Arado: well mine limit me in some ways
    Liza Deischer: but as Liza I don't feel separated from the rl-me
    Zen Arado: but only with physical things
    Liza Deischer: mine is limiting me too
    Zen Arado: no physical limits in SL
    Liza Deischer: but less physical
    Liza Deischer: is that the difference?
    Zen Arado: it's all disabled accessible :)
    Zen Arado: in RL people tend to get prejudge you if you are in a wheelchair
    Zen Arado: I think anyway
    Paradise Tennant: nods
    Liza Deischer: I think so too
    Zen Arado: you a much lower estimation:)
    Eliza Madrigal: or they are faced with themselves and that they don't know how to 'be' with people when less than shallow issues are brought to surface
    Zen Arado: yes maybe Eliza
    Liza Deischer: it is a big confrontation for others, most don't want to think about
    Zen Arado: they think they should act in a special way
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes I am very bad... I put on dark glasses and go in shops with the dog to run a particular errand like buying a certain kind of cake.. always amazed how people do not make direct eye contact with you .. did this once to a friend and they came up to us and spoke only to her ... asking her if I could see ..while they ignored me standing there completely .. amazing experience when you get it first hand
    Zen Arado: feel sorry for them
    Zen Arado: yes Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: think it is more profound ..more like fear
    Zen Arado: but most aren't like that in my experience
    Liza Deischer: fear, sounds right to me
    Zen Arado: was worse years ago
    Eliza Madrigal: if we could see one another in totality all the time, many of us would be in and out of wheelchairs in various ways...
    Paradise Tennant: nods at eliza
    Liza Deischer: nicely put Eliza :-)
    Zen Arado: nods

    Gaya Ethaniel is not being rude ... lagging and lots of lines are missing :(
    Liza Deischer: sorry to hear Gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: never think you are rude Gaya. Would you like a note?
    stevenaia Michinaga: guests arriving in RL.... bye all
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Steve :)
    Zen Arado: bye Steve
    Liza Deischer: bye Steve
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye stevenaia :)
    Paradise Tennant: take care steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy the wiki log gaya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye steven
    Gaya Ethaniel: I should probably head to bed now. Thanks everyone :)
    Liza Deischer: bye Gaya
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Gaya :) Good to see you
    Zen Arado: night Gaya
    Liza Deischer: and Tricksy :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night gaya

    getting away from the initial question, I wonder how our inability's effects our lives and our identity (in the meantime missing an interesting comment by Paradise, sorry to say)

    Liza Deischer: but to get back to the subject, how does that effect our identity?
    Paradise Tennant: what would it really be like to see each other in our totality ..
    Paradise Tennant: kind of thinks the me would disappear completely
    Liza Deischer: does it effect your feel of identity Zen?


    Liza Deischer: being in a wheelchair, people treating you differently?
    Zen Arado: I try not to let it
    Zen Arado: but it has probably shaped me to an extent
    Zen Arado: I probably try to overachieve mentally to make up for it
    Zen Arado: kind of showing I am not useless after all
    Zen Arado: lots do that with disabilities I think
    Eliza Madrigal nods... lots do that. Period :)
    Eliza Madrigal: <---
    Liza Deischer: yes, almost inevitable

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Ya :)
    Liza Deischer: nite Yaku :-)
    Paradise Tennant: yakuzza nite nite
    Zen Arado: nite yaku

    Zen Arado: it certainly affected my job prospects
    Paradise Tennant: they say that every challenge comes with a built in blessing .. things you learn from the difficulty
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Everyone is spurred by something... I mean look at many entertainers who felt they lacked affection from a parent or what-have-you...
    Eliza Madrigal: so they kind of generalize it
    Liza Deischer: true, but sometimes hard to hear
    Zen Arado: true
    Liza Deischer: but it is both a burden as a gift
    Eliza Madrigal: it seems the nature of our humanity
    Zen Arado: self pity is deadly
    Zen Arado: only leads to depression
    Eliza Madrigal: 'what nurtures me also destroys me'.... though I don't take that as gospel of course
    Eliza Madrigal: its just a tattoo on Angelina Jolie... hehehhehee
    Zen Arado: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Liza Deischer: if she can keep us sane :-))
    Eliza Madrigal appreciates the coupling of the sublime and ridiculous
    Zen Arado: helps you be more compassionate to others too I think
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Paradise Tennant: yes deepens your understanding of a lot of things
    Eliza Madrigal: its a bit of a shame that our culture compartmentalizes everything so drastically... children in schools and activities for long hours, elders in communities to themselves...
    Paradise Tennant: plus what it puts into high relief your appreciation for the things you can do
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal nods at Paradise
    Zen Arado: that too
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been thinking, since we talk so much about dreams lately... about Steven Hawking...
    Paradise Tennant: yes he had a great sense of humor ..heard him speak at u of it
    Eliza Madrigal: someone said in an interview that its very difficult to let himself think he couldn't try things, after working with him
    Zen Arado: yes...inspiring
    Eliza Madrigal: "imagination: gateway to reality" as Calvino noted :)
    Zen Arado: took a lot of acceptance for him.....
    Paradise Tennant: YES!
    Liza Deischer: yes, nods, agrees

    Liza Deischer: will, need to go, my body already gave up more then an hour ago, but the discussion was inspiring
    Paradise Tennant: take care liza .. gtsy :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... look forward to reading the whole log
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Liza, Bye
    Liza Deischer: bye everyone :-)
    Zen Arado: bye Liza :)

    Of course I had a million questions left to ask, like what our identity would be like not being shaped by our 'wheelchair' (as Eliza has putted it so nicely), or like what this all means to our feel of identity on sl. But hey, we need something to talk about next time :-)

    In the meantime it is getting late and people get a bit more relaxed, talking about daily things and PaB, like the NS retreat coming up

    Eliza Madrigal: I have a million things to do but actually feeling a bit weak today.. so took a nap in thunderstorms and was happy to find others still here :)
    Paradise Tennant: me too .. kind of a low ebb day
    Eliza Madrigal: the million things will still be there
    Paradise Tennant: beautiful outside here today
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, is it?
    Zen Arado: where do you live Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: toronto
    Paradise Tennant: downtown on the water :)
    Zen Arado: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you planning to make it to NS?
    Paradise Tennant: me ? been thinking on it
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm trying but not 100%
    Zen Arado: is there going to be one in Florida?
    Paradise Tennant: sophia is likely going to stop in for a visit on her way .. so yes may drive out for it ...nice road trip
    Eliza Madrigal: 100% sure, that is
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah! That's nice
    Paradise Tennant: nods always hard
    Paradise Tennant: to be sure so many things can happen


    Eliza Madrigal: This is a big year, daughter graduating from highschool, and some decisions to make...
    Eliza Madrigal: process might be helped by the tree elders though :))
    Zen Arado: tree elders?
    Paradise Tennant: very old trees in ns :)
    Eliza Madrigal: At Windhorse Farms, there is a sustainable forest... yes
    Zen Arado: ah ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Very different environment from Florida... a feel of being sheltered and nourished I would think
    Eliza Madrigal: Om :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes beautiful seacoasts very lush :)
    Paradise Tennant: very green
    Eliza Madrigal: It does sound just wonderful
    Zen Arado: is there going to be florida retreat?
    Eliza Madrigal: I've let that go for now Zen... it is difficult to keep the prices low in peak season
    Zen Arado: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: at least in South Florida
    Eliza Madrigal: but I do hope to plan one in the future
    Eliza Madrigal: would love to have PaB community visit
    Paradise Tennant: hopes it will be in february :))))
    Zen Arado: lots of people go to Florida from here
    Zen Arado: very popular
    Eliza Madrigal: That's when it would be ideal, yes, and also why expensive it seems
    Paradise Tennant: where are you zen ?
    Zen Arado: N.Ireland
    Paradise Tennant: ahh
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, when you wrote that (though of course I knew) I heard in my mind a song "I will bring you Ireland...."
    Eliza Madrigal: gorgeous song. Have either of you heard it?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Zen Arado: not sure
    Paradise Tennant: no but will you tube it
    Eliza Madrigal: http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/4934518
    Zen Arado: is it 'Sure a little bit of heaven fell from out the sky one day....
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, wow, yes I think that is a lyric... listening... might be
    Zen Arado: no it's a different song
    Zen Arado: nice song though
    Eliza Madrigal: hm. its been a very long time since I heard this song... not the type of song I usually like, but I discovered it at hm... 18
    Eliza Madrigal: she's a lovely writer
    Eliza Madrigal: well actually I do like that type of song, but meant to say genre... her other music can be quite folksy
    Eliza Madrigal: lots of treasures though :)
    Paradise Tennant: some songs are like old friends...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... take you to a time and feeling of a time
    Paradise Tennant: they offer solace in the dark and joy ..in the light ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm yes

    With the arrival of Bleu the new art project is being discussed

    Bleu Oleander: hi!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu!
    Paradise Tennant: hey bleu gtsy ;)
    Zen Arado: Hi Bleu :)

    Bleu Oleander: am i interrupting anything?
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all. I've been here for about the last hour... seems lots of topics today
    Bleu Oleander: looking forward to reading the log
    Eliza Madrigal: yes me too actually :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How are you?
    Bleu Oleander: great, you all?
    Zen Arado: yes fine
    Eliza Madrigal: feeling a little weak today, but happy to find nice company :)
    Bleu Oleander: not feeling well?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes seems so... perfect day for a nap though :))


    Eliza Madrigal: took a nice lingering one...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! I meant to tell you Bleu, that I dreamed of the art as being project, in a way
    Eliza Madrigal: not today, the other night...
    Bleu Oleander: really? do tell!
    Eliza Madrigal: I dreamed that i was trying to take pictures of prehistoric dolphins...
    Paradise Tennant: oh and I did my pic today !
    Bleu Oleander: ooo nice
    Eliza Madrigal: that in the dream, someone told me the dream was about time itself
    Bleu Oleander: great!
    Paradise Tennant: wow
    Eliza Madrigal: so I tried to shoot them from above, but they went below.. then from below but they went above
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Bleu Oleander: wow, nice!
    Zen Arado: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles elusive time :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :))
    Bleu Oleander: i'm still working on my pic
    Eliza Madrigal: So you've done your pic already paradise?
    Zen Arado: someone was talking to me from the Natural History museum today about prehistoric turtles
    Zen Arado: in London
    Paradise Tennant: well a start there is a great physic's art exhibit that served as inspiration
    Zen Arado: she was taking her kids around it
    Paradise Tennant: nice!
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice both!
    Bleu Oleander: is that the place where you and Yaku went?
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Bleu Oleander: he said Selavy was there
    Paradise Tennant: very cool one sec will get landmarks for folks
    Bleu Oleander: her art rather
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Paradise
    Eliza Madrigal: anything you can share about prehistoric turtles Zen?
    Zen Arado: ha ha no
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bleu Oleander: is that the lm you sent me earlier Paradise?
    Zen Arado: she just said the skeleton looked rather frail
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, Paradise
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: turtles are fascinating though
    Zen Arado: thanks Paradise
    Bleu Oleander: we just saw some prehistoric turtles at the American Museum of Natural History in NYC
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!
    Bleu Oleander: BIG dudes!
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, I'd love to see that exhibit
    Bleu Oleander: interesting discussion on "bloggingheads.tv" today
    Zen Arado: oh?
    Bleu Oleander: on neandertal genome and synthetic life
    Eliza Madrigal: One year I gave the following book as holiday presents to everyone: http://www.amazon.com/Old-Turtle-Dou.../dp/0938586483
    Eliza Madrigal: You find great resources Bleu
    Zen Arado: nice book
    Bleu Oleander: http://bloggingheads.tv/
    Bleu Oleander: worth listening to
    Eliza Madrigal: the book is about empathy, peace... lovely watercolor paintings
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, will definitely watch
    Zen Arado: ty Bleu
    Zen Arado: I stopped reading Facebook this week
    Zen Arado: too many videos to watch and too many articles people want me to read
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Eliza Madrigal smiles.... abundance of choices
    Bleu Oleander: great pics Paradise .... i've been thinking along the same lines!
    Paradise Tennant: have a big stack of books in a basket by my .. bed
    Zen Arado: and they are usually interesting is the hard part
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Bleu Oleander: always have a big stack of books!
    Zen Arado: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and now there are sites and services and books about how to choose sites and services and books!
    Zen Arado: too much information for us to digest
    Bleu Oleander: twitter is getting me more tangled up
    Bleu Oleander: too much good stuff
    Paradise Tennant: has never twittered
    Paradise Tennant: never even been on the site
    Eliza Madrigal: yes great pictures Paradise
    Eliza Madrigal: I think twitter can be wonderful, if one sticks to a specialized 'use' for it
    Paradise Tennant: took a whole bunch not sure what to go with yet but was lots of fun
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: unless of course its for advertising for one's blog, etc
    Zen Arado: nice pics yes
    Paradise Tennant: funny how the connections emerge
    Zen Arado: I get such strange people want to follow me
    Paradise Tennant: though all around the glove
    Paradise Tennant: globe
    Bleu Oleander: found a beautiful place for plants today
    Eliza Madrigal: in SL?
    Paradise Tennant: ;s ears perk up
    Zen Arado: oh?
    Bleu Oleander: yes, in rl I can't grow a thing!
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal knows the feeling
    Paradise Tennant: well kind of hot in arizona!
    Zen Arado: cactus?


    Eliza Madrigal: gracias
    Bleu Oleander: not even cactus
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Paradise Tennant: bought a big pot of lemon basil today ..going to make .. pesto .. smelling up my office :)
    Eliza Madrigal: MMMMM
    Eliza Madrigal: and then pasta with the pesto?
    Paradise Tennant: nods sigh my fav
    Zen Arado: I found a place does waterfalls today
    Zen Arado: and water features
    Paradise Tennant: oh cool going to do an underground grotto next zen but ..they are very primy
    Bleu Oleander: just go look at that place .... very cool store
    Zen Arado: ok sure
    Eliza Madrigal: waterfall of time.... droplets which look like sheets from a distance
    Zen Arado: I have a friend who has lots of water features at his place
    Zen Arado: I would like some
    Bleu Oleander: I bought the big red tree .... gorgeous
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds like a good way to need more land
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Bleu Oleander: wanted all the rest too but pricy and yes need more land
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Zen Arado: I have a big willow from my island but it is maybe too big for Buyeo
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe with summer coming up I'll take more time to build and such
    Bleu Oleander: btw, I have a small 512 lot I need to give away if anyone wants it let me know
    Eliza Madrigal: longer stretches in SL
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, okay


    Eliza Madrigal: I better go... feeling like I can take another nap somehow
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you all
    Bleu Oleander: nice finding you all here today
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now
    Paradise Tennant: take care eliza :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
    Paradise Tennant: be well
    Bleu Oleander: take care
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza :)
    Bleu Oleander: I have to go too .... time for the pups to eat ..... oh nice Paradise .... great shots!
    Zen Arado: I better go to my bed
    Bleu Oleander: bye for now
    Zen Arado: nice conversations tonight
    Zen Arado: bye
    Bleu Oleander: bye
    Paradise Tennant: byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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