2010.05.29 19:00 - One's too many, three's not enough . . .

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    The first ten minutes of this session I found myself alone, watching the ever moving waves in the pond, but then Eliza arrived.

    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!
    Pema Pera: As you can say, it's been an utterly peaceful session so far :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :) It is storming here but I thought I'd pop in for a moment... sure not to disturb your peace
    Pema Pera: oh no, you won't & don't :-)
    Pema Pera: how's the beach, is the oil spill reaching your area too?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Pema Pera: hi Steve, that was an interesting landing!
    stevenaia Michinaga: thought I'd drop in
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thus far there are reports of some effects, but it will depend on the winds. As it continues, of course... it continues :(
    Pema Pera: :((
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, been looking at Twitter earlier
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I noticed you had cheesecake, heh :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Yum
    Pema Pera: btw, during the "drop day" that Eden instigated a couple weeks ago, I was focusing mostly on time, and still am exploring time further -- how about trying to look at time, during the next break?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, pictures and many comments on facebook if you dare go there
    Pema Pera: yes, saw your tweet, Steve!
    Eliza Madrigal: ahha, yes I check facebook very rarely but will do so tomorrow. For now, there are storms and I think I should sign off
    --BELL--
    stevenaia Michinaga: And I yours Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: Have a lovely evening Steve/day Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now :)
    Fox Monacular: Hello Pema and Steve
    Pema Pera: hi Fox and hi Calvino!
    Fox Monacular: Hi Calvino
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Calvino, Fox
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello
    With the sudden influx of new arrivals during the break, there seemed to be little point to return to the suggestion I had made about exploring time -- some other day.  Fox then shares with us how her life has recently changed.
    Pema Pera: how's life, Fox, getting settled after all the moving?
    Fox Monacular: slowly.... it's been kind of hard on me...
    Fox Monacular: but it's getting better:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, the more you move, the less you want t move again
    stevenaia Michinaga: (unless someone else moves for you )
    Fox Monacular: my husband has been in a rush for the last 6 monhts... so the baby's on me 24/7... and with no family or friends around it gets really difficult:)
    Pema Pera: wow, that sounds really tough!!
    Fox Monacular: oh god... i moved 7 times in the last 10 years...
    Fox Monacular: it's nice to be able to spend all this time with your toddler... but there's no time to do anything else... so i feel like my brain hasn't been used much...
    Pema Pera: until I was 35, I'd never in my life lived in the same place for more than three years . . . but now I've lived in the same NYC apartment for 15 years, but the twist is that I'm spending about half the time away for various work reasons
    Pema Pera: yes, I can see that, Fox
    Pema Pera: (my parents moved a lot)
    Fox Monacular: yes, stability is not in the circumstances:) it is (or isn't!) inside:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but children grow up... and things change... and you will wish for the return of the tottler days
    Fox Monacular: i guess the hardest thing for me is to accept the temporary housewife role... i never thought it would be my case, and it's hard for me to reconcile with it... but then it's a great practice of detachment!
    Fox Monacular: yes, definitely, toddler days are awesome! (but a lot of work:)
    Pema Pera: do you think things with ease up soon, Fox, or will it be another half year or more?
    Fox Monacular: well, we're here for 2 years
    And here is the good news!
    Fox Monacular: but my husband is submitting his thesis this monday
    Pema Pera: congratulations!
    Fox Monacular: so i'll get to have some free time
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Fox Monacular: so i'll work on my masters
    Pema Pera: you can celebrate by him babysitting and you going out :-)
    Fox Monacular: and look for a part time job
    Fox Monacular: actually, i'm going to montreal for a couple of weeks
    Fox Monacular: so grandmothers will babysit:)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Fox Monacular: so yes, things are getting better, i just need to adapt to this new situation and make the best of it
    Pema Pera: have you been able to read books, or listen to books being read, in the mean time?
    Pema Pera: or was there too much distraction?
    Fox Monacular: that;s the most frustrating thing - not really!
    Fox Monacular: a 2 year old and a rushing husband... not much time left between playgrounds and cooking:)
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Fox Monacular: but i've been listening to podcasts from upaya a lot
    --BELL--
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting titles, "Study and Practice Days: The Fundamental Point of Zen Practice, Finding Joy and Ease part 1 of 3'
    Fox Monacular: yes, they have many speakers, and often they put the whole series online
    Pema Pera: (psst, 90 sec break :-)
    Pema Pera: oops, loong lag for me, sorry :)
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    On to dreams, and lucid dreaming.
    Fox Monacular: alan wallace recently taught a lucid dreaming retreat there, and they put the whole series online
    Pema Pera: (being in Japan, my connection is very variable, not contstant lag :)
    Fox Monacular: oh, Japan, cool!
    Pema Pera: how have your dreams been, while being busy, Fox?
    Fox Monacular: pretty hectic:) baby wakes up at 5 30 thee days, i don't get to dream much, hehe
    Fox Monacular: do your dreams change when you travel?
    Pema Pera: every day in my life is different, traveling or not, almost no pattern
    Pema Pera: sometimes up early, sometimes late, hours difference each day for several reasons . . . .
    Pema Pera: traveling or not :)
    Pema Pera: what does Alan Wallace cover, on the lucid dreaming tapes?
    Fox Monacular: I just started listening, and decided to save the series for later, when I have time to practice
    Fox Monacular: basically i think he's going to teach shamatha
    Fox Monacular: and a little of dream yoga
    Pema Pera: shamatha seems to be his core topic
    Fox Monacular: right, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samatha
    stevenaia Michinaga: ?
    Fox Monacular: when i have opportinity to meditate more than usual, i often spontaneously lucid dream right after
    Pema Pera: yes, that is a natural connection
    Pema Pera: (yes, Steve)
    Fox Monacular: it's all about sustained attention and awareness of what's going on in the mind (as an observer)
    --BELL--
    Calvino brings up go, and I change my active group to the SL go playing group.
    Calvino Rabeni: I found the game Go a good practice for that
    Pema Pera: yes indeed!
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: My game partner has a little sign placed in front of him reminding him "follow method"
    Calvino Rabeni: But what that really means is "be aware, look for best move"
    Pema Pera: ah, we should have played a game in Princeton, Calvino!
    Calvino Rabeni: It's works when practiced, but is hard to sustain ::)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, You have a very nice set
    Calvino Rabeni: the subtle esthetics of the equipment are important
    Calvino Rabeni: DO you play in Japan, Pema?
    Pema Pera: the advice "make the best move on the board" sounds totally trivial -- until you realize that we tend to "make a move in the direction that continues our earlier ideas" (which are outdated) . . . .
    Calvino Rabeni: Exactly
    Pema Pera: so it's actually very profound advice
    Pema Pera: for life as well as for go
    Calvino Rabeni: it changes each move - Go completely balances different possible realities
    Pema Pera: I sometimes play here, Calvino, alas, there are so many things I'd like to do, for which I don't have enough time . . . .
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, I saw your goup title "Go Player" here one time - did you have a spare hour, I hope?
    Pema Pera: I just activated my go group title, Calvino, after you mentioned the topic :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Pema Pera: well, it's an addiction -- it's not a matter of one hour. It's like lighting "just once cigarette" . . . (^_^)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ack!
    Calvino Rabeni: I know what you mean. :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Sorry Fox, talking about haveing spare time for a game :) I feel guilty :)
    Pema Pera: the first game you feel rusty, want to play a second one, then you feel like getting back into it quickly, want to play a third one to really get the feel again, then . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    Pema Pera: hi Paradise!
    Calvino then creates this session's title.
    Calvino Rabeni: LIke the saying about drinks - one's too many, three's not enough
    Paradise Tennant: smiles pema steve .. cal .. fox ! :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Paradise
    Pema Pera: hehehe, Calvino
    Pema Pera: I guess you could also say "three's too many and not enough" :)
    Pema Pera: (allowing one or two)
    Pema Pera: (before reaching the tipping point)
    Calvino Rabeni: The continually surprising thing is the genaration of novel patterns
    Calvino Rabeni: Never know which direction it will take
    Pema Pera: (about go, Paradise, not drinking)
    Calvino Rabeni: down paths of chaos I suppose :)
    Fox Monacular: hi Paradise!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles thanks Pema
    Pema Pera: (amazing how the same conversation fits go and drinking, line by line!)
    Pema Pera: (we talked about addiction before you entered)
    Calvino Rabeni: No hangover :)
    Pema Pera: that's true :)
    Pema Pera: though some people feel bad the next day still, after losing a game . . .
    Fox Monacular: i've never played go i think... but i like how it looks:) hehe
    Calvino Rabeni: I imagine people getting addicted to doing an Enso - "*next time* it will be ..."
    Paradise Tennant: an "enso" ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Zen calligraphy circle with ink brush
    Calvino Rabeni: Supposedly it shows character in the moment
    Paradise Tennant: ahh
    Calvino Rabeni: like GO
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fox Monacular: yes, very frustrating practicing for that perfect circle:)
    Pema Pera: and not toooo perfect
    Fox Monacular: exactly:)
    --BELL--
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, perfectly moderately perfect then
    Pema Pera: Hi Lucinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi All
    Fox Monacular: Hi Lucinda!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lucinda
    Time for me to sign off.
    Pema Pera: I'm off to lunch, nice seeing y'all !
    Fox Monacular: I'm afraid i'll have to go sleep now too
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Fox
    Lucinda Lavender: hebye Pema...have a good lunch!
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Fox Monacular: good night everyone, bon appetit, Pema
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Pema
    Pema Pera: thanks, Lucinda
    Pema Pera: and Fox
    Pema Pera: sorry, Lucinda, to have to run!
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Paradise Tennant: nite pema
    Paradise Tennant: good nite fox
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off too
    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Paradise, How is your garden these days?
    Paradise Tennant: changed it all
    Paradise Tennant: have an oat field now
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and a very fine tree house
    Lucinda Lavender: so:)
    Lucinda Lavender: Ah a tree house was in discussion at my house today.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: a must have in my opinion :)_
    Lucinda Lavender: what kind of tree?
    Paradise Tennant: well would you two like a tour
    Paradise Tennant: won't take long
    Lucinda Lavender: ours is in RL is a cedar
    Paradise Tennant: nice
    Lucinda Lavender: sure
    Paradise Tennant: smells
    Paradise Tennant: great
    Calvino Rabeni: Love to, but... I have dinner up soon :)
    Paradise Tennant: ok no worreis
    Paradise Tennant: will give you a land mark if you like
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes please
    Paradise Tennant: you can check it out later
    Lucinda Lavender: well soon then?
    Paradise Tennant: it is an open garden
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks...
    Paradise Tennant: everyone is welcome to make themselves at home
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks Para
    Lucinda Lavender: you know sleeping in one would be kind of fun
    Lucinda Lavender: dreaming there and all
    Paradise Tennant: looks nice on sunset
    Paradise Tennant: at first I really missed all the colour
    Lucinda Lavender: did you buy it or build it?
    Paradise Tennant: because the last one I did was so full of colour
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: i am a strictly a rezzer !
    Paradise Tennant: yes I bought it smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: TIme to go ... good evening Para and Cinda :)
    Paradise Tennant: going to do an underground grotto next
    Paradise Tennant: take care cal
    Calvino Rabeni: I like that idea :)
    Calvino Rabeni: bye
    Lucinda Lavender: great.
    Lucinda Lavender: bye
    Paradise Tennant: waves
    Lucinda Lavender: Well I will go visit. now.
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