2010.05.31 13:00 - Viewers and the Borg

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard

    Mickorod Renard: hi qt
    Qt Core: Hi Mick, Ara
    Mickorod Renard: How are you?
    arabella Ella: Ciao Qt
    Qt Core: quite good, you two ?
    Mickorod Renard: e week Qt?having a nic
    Mickorod Renard: yes lovely thanks
    Mickorod Renard: its quiet here tonite
    arabella Ella: I am fine thanks!
    Qt Core: right place to b e then ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: do u think they will start a new star trek series again?
    Qt Core: not for a few years after the horror, bardon, Enterprise
    Qt Core: p
    Mickorod Renard: I liked enterprise
    Mickorod Renard: jonathan archer
    Qt Core: as a science fiction show, i liked it too, as a trek series not very much, destroyed the timeline and introduced weird things
    Mickorod Renard: yes true,,allthough it was supposed to fill in the bbeginning part?
    Qt Core: i had my doubts ad episode 1... a vulcan wearing makeup...
    Mickorod Renard: oh yes
    Mickorod Renard: some bits were a bit silly
    Qt Core: not a bad sight at all, but very unvuclanish ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: what was the vulcan woman who stayed on enterprise?
    Mickorod Renard: her name?
    Qt Core: T'pol
    Mickorod Renard: thats it,,yes not bad
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Mickorod Renard: she got better looking as the series went on
    Qt Core: each season a thigther uniform ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,he he
    Mickorod Renard: who was ur favorite QT,,? 7 of nine or troy?
    Qt Core: the one with a brain, 7
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,she was sure brainy
    Mickorod Renard: oops
    Mickorod Renard: interesting concept too,,with the borg
    Qt Core: in italy we have a little rude nickname for 7 of nine
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    arabella Ella: Ara is not listening ok Qt
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Qt Core: as 7 is sette in italian and tits is tette and 9 is nove we call her tette di nove ;-)
    arabella Ella: io non sento nulla ... e non ho capito nulla ne anche ... he he
    Qt Core: i wonder how they come up with something like that for an almost family show like star trek
    arabella Ella: indeed ... he he
    Mickorod Renard: when i first encounted the borg on star trek it made me feel sick with fear
    Qt Core: yes, the nest on technology and most of trek fans just love and live for technology turnerd evil
    Mickorod Renard: I had nightmares
    Qt Core: nest=best
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder how much will become reality in the future
    Qt Core: same tech level as borg in the end but each with his/her mind .... and a good firewall/antivirus near the trensmitting device ?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hey mick, ara and qt ! :-)
    Mickorod Renard: hiya Bert
    Qt Core: hi bert
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I think the device that creates things from matter will become reality
    Mickorod Renard: forgot the name
    Qt Core: replicator
    Mickorod Renard: and teleportation
    arabella Ella: well to some extent we already live in augmented reality contexts dont we
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,the replicator
    arabella Ella: SL is one example amongst others
    Bertram Jacobus loves to listen to his group friends ... so comfortable ! ... :-)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: they hellsave just broken through another barrier re making things outa c
    arabella Ella: out of cells?
    Mickorod Renard: sorry,,for some reason I type out of sequence sometimes
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    arabella Ella: my cursor sometimes moves position too and i have no idea why
    Qt Core: first thing an affordable, green and almost endless energy supply, the rest is "almost" easy then
    arabella Ella: oh i have a question for anyone who is technical here please
    arabella Ella: i got an email from Linden
    Bertram Jacobus: bah - my notebook does that too. some say a new driver could stop that perhaps (update it) ...
    Mickorod Renard: thats what they may create,,from carbons qt
    arabella Ella: is it true we all have to download the new viewer by tomorrow or did i misunderstand?
    Bertram Jacobus: thats a fake ara
    Qt Core: checking mail as it wasn't there this morning
    arabella Ella: i got this email two or three days ago from Lindens
    Mickorod Renard: I dont think i did
    arabella Ella: anyone else got it too?
    Mickorod Renard: but i delete much without looking
    arabella Ella: :)
    Qt Core: don't have it, but i'm using the new viewer since weeks
    Bertram Jacobus: i heared of fakes from that kind before if i don´t err ...
    Mickorod Renard: I dont know anything about any of it
    Qt Core: but as for the LL policy i think they'll force the adoption of the new viewer soon
    arabella Ella: ok i will wait until i get a huge warning when logging in then before i upgrade viewer to new one
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i use emerald
    arabella Ella: i understood the email as saying that tomorrow 01/06 is deadline for new viewer
    Qt Core: not later than early fall i think
    Mickorod Renard: I know nothing,,ignorance is bliss
    arabella Ella: is emerald good Bert? oooops
    Bertram Jacobus: since somebody recommended it to me - and i loaded it down ... i nearly never use another viewer anymore again - i find it great and top (!) :-) - and very similar to the normal one. no needs to learn new. only some very nice additional features :-)
    Mickorod Renard: thats a good recomendation Bert
    Qt Core: i tried it a couple weeks ago... so like the old one, so different... it felt almost..like a chimera, like Frankenstein
    Mickorod Renard: yikes
    Bertram Jacobus giggles
    arabella Ella: why is that Qt do you think?
    Qt Core: it works, i ,m not saying it doesn't, it only felt weird
    Wol Euler: hiya
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol
    Bertram Jacobus: hey wol ! :-)
    Qt Core: hi wol
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
    Qt Core: it just isn't my tool, i'm known to be weird in my tools choice
    Bertram Jacobus: (i´ll take a coffee - brb) :-)
    arabella Ella: may i have some too please Bert?
    Mickorod Renard: may i ask a question?
    Wol Euler: tea for me
    Wol Euler: of course
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Wol Euler: was that it?
    Mickorod Renard: whats this emerald thingy?
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: emerald is an alternative viewer (client software)
    Qt Core: an alternative to the Linden created sl viewer
    Wol Euler: a few neat features and none of the really annoying failings of the V2 viewer
    Mickorod Renard: but diferent to what lindens want?
    Qt Core: besed on the old one with many additions
    Mickorod Renard: ahh
    Wol Euler: not really, no, it is very similar to v1
    Wol Euler: that code is open source,emerald is based on it
    arabella Ella: is it open source ... free?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Mickorod Renard: so whats what then,,shud we get what linden gives us or take emerald?
    Qt Core: probably a semi open licence as LL want to keep the rights to make them not diverge too much
    Bertram Jacobus: i hope, bringing coffee and such through the inet lanes will be possible soon ...
    Wol Euler: well, yes, kinda. The lindens have to approve the viewer before it can be let loose inworld
    Mickorod Renard: emerald?
    Wol Euler: sure, bert, nanoreplicators are just around the corner :)
    arabella Ella: that would be nice Bert!
    Wol Euler: any viewer, mick
    Mickorod Renard: #ok,ta Wol
    Qt Core: i've read some of the new agreements you have to sign if you want to make an alternative viewer... basically you sell your soul to LL ;-)
    Wol Euler: they have the right to refuse access to software that doesn't play nicely
    Bertram Jacobus: then many frustrations could have an end ! ;o)
    Wol Euler: 42
    Mickorod Renard: is there a consensus to a universal recomendation between us here on which direction we shufd take?
    Bertram Jacobus: but what ... when it would be wrong ? and 43 would be right ! ? :-)
    Wol Euler: it depends on whehter you like the look & feel of the Linden viewer 2
    Mickorod Renard: havnt looked yet
    Wol Euler: if so, then use it. If not, and many don't like it (raises hand) then use emerald or snowglobe or Kirsten's or any of a half dozen others
    Mickorod Renard: and just to clarify again,,are they free,,as in no need to pay with money?
    Wol Euler: yes, free
    Wol Euler: L$0
    arabella Ella: is it true that Emerald gives one access to profiles of others on SL ... to like minded people?
    Bertram Jacobus: € 0 either :-)
    Qt Core: naively hoping the summer new release done after user answers will solve some issues
    Wol Euler: no more than you already have, ara
    Mickorod Renard: snowglobe sounds sexy
    Wol Euler: people say it's fast and pretty
    Wol Euler: I've not tried it
    Qt Core: emerals has (so they say) several features useful for builders too
    Wol Euler: yes, viewer2 is pretty lousy for builders
    Mickorod Renard: I have become complacent on sl now,,i just come to chat
    Mickorod Renard: which is of course very important
    Qt Core: and with builders we may describe even only outfits rearranging
    Bertram Jacobus: i found the "look at" function in emerald funny or / and interesting : with it you can see, where to people look ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: yeah :)
    Wol Euler: but that is in the LL viewers too
    Mickorod Renard: not sure i understood that Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: you switch on "look at" and see - where for example ara looks at (!)
    Wol Euler: ctrl-alt-D to get the Advanced menu
    Wol Euler: then Advanced/Character/SHow look at
    Bertram Jacobus: there are little crosses with names of all avatars then on the screen ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: shows you who looks where.
    Mickorod Renard: eeeek
    Wol Euler: actually that is different, you're right. LL viewers show the cross but not the name
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. ty for support wol ! :-)
    Wol Euler: oops
    Bertram Jacobus: lol mick :-)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Qt Core: you know, i can't find it in V2
    arabella Ella: ok Bert, what waS ara looking at when you just said that?
    Wol Euler: so you can see who is "perv-camming" ;)
    Mickorod Renard: so you would be able to tell whether I am looking up your skirt then Wol?
    arabella Ella: or if i open someone's profile could you tell whose it is?
    Bertram Jacobus: i havent switched it on - but i can do now ...
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Mickorod Renard: yikes
    Wol Euler: it has anohter name in v2, I think
    arabella Ella: ok let's test it then
    Bertram Jacobus: ara looked at wol now
    Wol Euler: mick is looking at my head
    Wol Euler: berts head onw
    Wol Euler: ara at my face
    arabella Ella: noooooo
    Mickorod Renard: Bert, you have shaved your chest
    arabella Ella: i am focussed completely on my chat box
    arabella Ella: am not looking at any avis
    Wol Euler: oh no, that is (was) qt
    Wol Euler: yeah,it moves around pretty quickly
    Bertram Jacobus: ara is changing a lot ...
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: i just opened a profile
    Bertram Jacobus: but mick looks at me :-)
    arabella Ella: whose?
    Bertram Jacobus: qt is at himself :-)
    Qt Core: but that is the mouse pointer then, not what one is looking at, say the cam focus
    Bertram Jacobus: ara at mick now
    Bertram Jacobus: mick changing now
    arabella Ella: yes i have mick's profile open and i can see mick ara and bert
    Wol Euler: brb
    arabella Ella: so what eelse do you see Bert?
    arabella Ella: in your tea leaves?
    Bertram Jacobus: i was once detected by somebody i watched from quite far away ... lol - and she told me then that she knew from the emerald feature - then i got emerald, too - to check that out ... ;-)
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: cool
    Bertram Jacobus: yess :-)
    arabella Ella: and if I IM you from another sim Bert could you say where i am too?
    arabella Ella: or not?
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m not sure ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: no, that doesn't work
    arabella Ella: ah ... it could lead to stalking i guess
    Wol Euler: right :)
    arabella Ella: pesky avis following us to who knows where
    Bertram Jacobus: i call it " one more piece of openness" ;-)
    arabella Ella: yes ... could be seen from that perspective too
    Mickorod Renard: I think I will have to get a new alt
    arabella Ella: would it be female Mick?
    Bertram Jacobus: why mick ? :-)
    Wol Euler: do tell
    arabella Ella: or furry?
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: then i cud be a perv
    Wol Euler: so you can perv-cam anonymously?
    Wol Euler: ha, got it in one.
    Qt Core: with the conservative way i dress there is not much people may like to watch beside the bottom side of the cube that is
    arabella Ella: he he
    Mickorod Renard: well,,i mean more perv than usual
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. i know a girl who has a male alt and is "embarrassed by him" (!) lol
    Wol Euler grins.
    Bertram Jacobus: he would be so naughty she says (!) and would get banned very often lol
    Mickorod Renard: hold on,,i mean as perv as usual but without anyone knowing its me
    Wol Euler: understood :)
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou
    arabella Ella: ah Mick .... would you be able to keep up the pretense from your good friends here?
    Mickorod Renard: I will have to test you all
    Wol Euler: it would be a challenge, to see if we spotted him/her/it
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I must go home
    arabella Ella: maybe we could tell from your spelling Mick?
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Mickorod Renard: Micko needs his sleep
    Wol Euler: and the smell of cigar smoke
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Wol Euler: bye mick, dream of perversity
    Bertram Jacobus: okay nighty nite micko :-)
    Qt Core: or just by waiting for the first 90 sec ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: nity nity all
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Mickorod Renard: nighty nighty
    Qt Core: 'night Mick
    arabella Ella: oh yes he would have an exotic name like .... i dunno whatever ... Ludmilla or Ludovica ... and would then say she is off for a puff
    Wol Euler nods.
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Mickorod Renard: spoze i am not very subtle
    arabella Ella: Raisa is another exotic name Mick
    Mickorod Renard: not had one of those for a long time
    Wol Euler: we love your unsubtlety, mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella giggles ...
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,c u tommorow
    Wol Euler: ha, got him just in time
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    arabella Ella: he cant escape now can he
    arabella Ella giggles
    Mickorod Renard: help micko sleep
    Wol Euler: yep, if he logs out now, he'll still be doing it when he returns
    arabella Ella: look Wol now he is zooming in on your stockings
    Bertram Jacobus lols
    Bertram Jacobus: poor micko
    Wol Euler: stop
    arabella Ella: ah
    Bertram Jacobus: (shhh) :o)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: the 90 seconds rescued him (!) :-)
    Qt Core: ty bert
    arabella Ella: he he yes
    Bertram Jacobus: so welcome qt (!) ... :-)
    arabella Ella: i must go now good night all!
    Bertram Jacobus: good nite ara
    Wol Euler: be ara, take care
    Qt Core: night ara
    Wol Euler: *bye
    Wol Euler: though actually "be" is pretty good too
    Wol Euler smiles at Bert. I see what you did!
    Bertram Jacobus: :o)
    Qt Core: you know, we need a good doc
    Bertram Jacobus: and "yes" : the nike´s "just be" is kinda brilliant and vicious at the same time ...
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: good doc ? why, plz ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: aarghs ! ;o) :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: awwwwww
    Wol Euler reaches over and gently ruffles your hair
    Bertram Jacobus: ? :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: better ? :-)
    Wol Euler: muuuuch better
    Bertram Jacobus: the log can´t catch that :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: and - ty ! :-)
    Wol Euler: yep
    Qt Core: thinking about a chesslike notation to log it ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: i see ...
    Bertram Jacobus: quite - challenging !
    Bertram Jacobus: i couldn´t do that i guess
    Qt Core: we only need to decide were is greenwitch
    Wol Euler: :)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Qt Core: then I for inner and O for outer ;-)
    Wol Euler: we could declare the old tea house to be Mecca and relate all compass directions inworld to it
    Bertram Jacobus: whow
    Bertram Jacobus: five times a day a prayer then, too ?
    Qt Core: then we could enumerate the cushions on the pixel distance from its center
    Wol Euler: I wonder which direction Muslims face if they are in SL at prayer time?
    Wol Euler: should have asked Sophia while we had the chance :)
    Bertram Jacobus: but the maps, at least the mini map always gives the direction - to east, for sure - no ?
    Qt Core: it thepend if you are more east then Mecca, bert, japanese muslims turn to west
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! did not know that (!) thanxx
    Bertram Jacobus: brb - sry
    Wol Euler: k
    Qt Core: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: backk (sms) ;-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: shall we go a bit to my place ? :-)
    Wol Euler: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: qt ? :-)
    Qt Core: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: nice :-)
    Wol Euler: bye listener!

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