2010.06.02 01:00 - talking about some aspects of health

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.

        Bolonath Crystal: namaste qt :)
        Qt Core: hi Bolonath
        Bolonath Crystal: brb (picking up coffee)
        Qt Core: ok
        Bolonath Crystal: so. better now *g*
        Qt Core: :)
        Bolonath Crystal: i need some warm drink. it is rather cold here
        --BELL--
        Qt Core: spring has finally come here, so not anymore so cold
        Bolonath Crystal packs his things and comes
        Qt Core: ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: global warming is the last promise of the politicians i'll ever believe *g*
        Qt Core: and one of the few they seem to able to mantain ;-)
        Bolonath Crystal lloks out of the window and disagrees
        Bolonath Crystal: namaste cal :)
        Qt Core: come on, let them work, it isn't a easy goal
        Qt Core: ;)
        Qt Core: hi Calvino
        Bolonath Crystal: and namaste cosmic :)
        Qt Core: and hi Cosmic
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hello **
        Calvino Rabeni: namaste, Qt and Bolonath :)
        Bolonath Crystal: lol, qt, ok, i give them another half year ;)
        Qt Core: rl calls, have a nice day
        Bolonath Crystal: om shanti, qt
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You too Qt
        Calvino Rabeni: Bye QT, be well :)
        Qt Core: ciao!

    How to ease the symptoms of hay fever?

        Calvino Rabeni: How have you been, Bolonath? It has been a while since I met you here I think.
        Bolonath Crystal: thx cal, yes, it has been quite a while
        Bolonath Crystal: i'm not online very often these days
        Bolonath Crystal: good to have the email group :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what are You doing Bolonanth, on rl?
        Bolonath Crystal: healing and teaching, cosmic
        Bolonath Crystal: chinese medicine and yoga
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oh
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: that must be interesting
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
        Bolonath Crystal: yes, i love it :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: are You from China, or studied it?
        Bolonath Crystal: i studied it in germany
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, so ,
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if there are some problems with helth, I can ask You? ;)
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I remember Bolo giving some advice on that to me one time before -
        --BELL--
        Calvino Rabeni: I remember your interest in this
        Bolonath Crystal: yes, but maybe better in privat. those things don't have to be posted on the web ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah yes,
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: All is good now, but with kids, there are always coming some virus etc
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how to deal it with without medicine..
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, but one thing I think is quite common
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in summers
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there are coming from nose that "thing"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: do not know the word
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but its because of grit of plants
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what should be done with thatk kind of phenomena?
        Bolonath Crystal: allergic rhinitis?
        Calvino Rabeni: "hay fever"
        Calvino Rabeni: Pollen allergy
        Calvino Rabeni: ?
        Bolonath Crystal: ah yes...
        Bolonath Crystal: we call it heufieber (hay fever) in german, too
        Calvino Rabeni: Some things are the same in more than one language
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ys
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
        Bolonath Crystal: i know a good acupuncture point against the symptoms. this point also can be pressed or massaged for a minute or two
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: have wondered what would be cure for it
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: where it is?
        Bolonath Crystal: this point doesn't cure it, but helps to keep the nose and eyes clear
        Bolonath Crystal: it is right at the elbow
        Bolonath Crystal: here: http://www.arzt-fuer-homoeopathie.co...dickdarm11.jpg
        Bolonath Crystal: this one may be better: http://wakowa.files.wordpress.com/20...1/li11hold.jpg
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah thanks
        Bolonath Crystal: yw :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think here is 4 persons who needs massage ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: ok, visit me next monday ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes I found the place also from my own arm
        Bolonath Crystal: yes, if you press it tightly, it feels a little uncomfortable
        Bolonath Crystal: easy to find
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: near the bone
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or in bone, next to it, its a bit hurt place
        Bolonath Crystal: sounds correct :)
        Bolonath Crystal: you have to press it for a while. the hurt gets less
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: is there matter witch arm is massaged, right or left?
        Bolonath Crystal: no, it is not so important. sometimes the right arm is a little bit more effective
        Bolonath Crystal: sorry, the left
        Bolonath Crystal: bit it doesn't make a big difference
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: is it also in this kind of "left takes" and "righ gives" ?
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: my hands works out this way
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: the rule is: male (yang) meridians left, female (yin) right
        Bolonath Crystal: female are always right, u know? *g*
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no, I don`t know
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) lol
        Bolonath Crystal: :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I might be wrong also, but not so often... ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: right :)
        Calvino Rabeni: As I'm right handed, it seems more active and left seems more receptive
        Calvino Rabeni: Cosmic is quite usually right :)
        --BELL--
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, If I want to "hoover" some energies for example from stone, I do touch the stone with my left hand
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ty Dear ;))))
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling here wide ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, well, that is also something that I have noticed to irritate my partner; he have said "unfortunately You were righ again"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I was one day thinking
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what kind it would be living with the person who is right mostly...
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and knows it
        Calvino Rabeni: heheh
        Bolonath Crystal: :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) yeah, Cal You got it ;DDDD
        Bolonath Crystal: sorry, i have to go back to work
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: laughing in loud now ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: c u next time :) om shanti
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey. Nice to see You Bolo, and ty for advises ;)
        Calvino Rabeni: namaste Bolonath :)

    Massage training: intuition vs. knowledge

        Calvino Rabeni: About massage practices - I was thinking
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes?
        Calvino Rabeni: Cos, have you done any study or training in methods?
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no, only done massage
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: from my cousin
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I massaged her migren away at age of 17
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, and those who have lived nearby I have massaged them
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just found those "hurt" places
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, some people have an intuition for doing massage
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps having "feeling hands"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: once Jukka had "restless feets", do you know the feel
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when going sleep, feets wants to move, or do not relax
        Calvino Rabeni: You do - I think I do too - yes perhaps Jukka does also -
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I use to sleep on left side when looking at the bed
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and he is sleeping at right side
        Calvino Rabeni: That is, to have some way of sensing it
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I "jumped" to his side
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: the most right corner
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and by "accident"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: my leg did hit on his leg
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: on some point Bolonanth told about
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and that point was the kind
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it did relax the whole leg
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it hurted huge, he said
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but no more restless legs
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I laughed, well, it went in good shape right away
        Calvino Rabeni: hmm, my father has the "restless leg" seriously
        Calvino Rabeni: He should get someone to "jump" on him :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I did heal it by "accident"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: by going on the other side of him
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and hit him while going there ;)
        Calvino Rabeni: Unfortunately I don't think he belives in anything but standard medical doctors
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and hit went to point to heal restless legs ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3
        Calvino Rabeni: :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some men are like that
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but yes
        Calvino Rabeni: It's nice to remember those discoveries, to see if they work later
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have also thouht to study some massage
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but not done yet
        Calvino Rabeni: I studied it a little bit, some years earlier
        Calvino Rabeni: but did not continue
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, one mini course I went with indian head massage
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but there did not came anything new
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: seemed it is quite "own way" doing
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I use to go to one man to massage my-self
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and he once asked me if I have considered same kind of work he does
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I said I have
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: he did not see me quite much as a "sales man"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: he also arrange some massage school
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it takes 3 years
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: the method he is doing is called "Kalevalan Massage"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Kalevala is ancient myths of Finns
        --BELL--
        Calvino Rabeni: When I studied a bit, that school was doing something interesting with it
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: listening**
        Calvino Rabeni: which is, that there are different "types" of people - character types - which are different in the body also
        Calvino Rabeni: then the massage method would be changed to use different techniques for the different "types"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well then
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: would it be beter not to study any method at all
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but let intuition lead??
        Calvino Rabeni: Therefore, the massage therapist would not "do the same on everyone"
        Calvino Rabeni: that's a good question
        Calvino Rabeni: there's a saying - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
        Calvino Rabeni: and sometimes too much is dangerous too :)
        Calvino Rabeni: However, I think, the masters have both knowledge and intuition
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, but little studied knowledge, what if hands do know
        Calvino Rabeni: The danger is for them to lose the intuition, or not develop it
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: also raises up question what kind of knowledge
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: studied
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or by experience
        Calvino Rabeni: A balance of study and practice seems like a good thing
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then need to study a bit ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: more
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if thinking do more massage healing
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have done enregy healing too
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some calls it reiki
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but also, have not got those courses to become a master
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think it have always been open
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but noticed it when I was about 10-17 year old
        Calvino Rabeni: And you still feel it now
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when I put my hand about 10 cm`s far from skin
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel that energy moving
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: on skin
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: from hand
        Calvino Rabeni: In some of the martial arts schools I went to, we used the Ki (or Qi / Chi)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what is Ki?
        Calvino Rabeni: Same idea as Chi
        Calvino Rabeni: as in Chi Kung - Qigong -
        Calvino Rabeni: I think the same word is in Rei-Ki
        Calvino Rabeni: Meaning a kind of body energy that moves
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hm, life energy?
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
        Calvino Rabeni: Although the martial arts classes were for "fighting", they also taught Ki for healing arts
        --BELL--
        Calvino Rabeni: Empty pavilion. Calvino Rabeni slips out during the pause

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