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*Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database.*

Qt Core: hi Fefonz

Fefonz Quan: hi Qt

Fefonz Quan: hey Storm!

Qt Core: hi Storm

Storm Nordwind: Hi guys

Storm Nordwind: Not staying long, but thought I would come and be sociable :)

Fefonz Quan: your company is always a pleasure :)

Qt Core: :)

Storm Nordwind: You're very kind :)

Fefonz Quan: woops, i can't claim the chat...

Storm Nordwind: can't? what happens?

Fefonz Quan: ok now, somwhow the regular eft click on the fountwatin base didn't help

Wol Euler: hello invisibles

Fefonz Quan: fountain

Qt Core: hi Wol

Fefonz Quan: Hey Wol!

Wol Euler: hello fef, qt, storm

Fefonz Quan: wow, wol, you are so white!

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: it feels odd somehow :)

Fefonz Quan: are you the whiter shade of pale?

Qt Core: very so, thought you were still rezzing ;-)

Storm Nordwind gets tickled by one of Wol's wayward feathers

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler feels vaguely guilty for having stopped the conversation

--BELL--

Fefonz Quan: don't worry, u didn't :)

Qt Core: hi Cal

Wol Euler: hello calvino

Calvino Rabeni: Hello Wol , everyone

Fefonz Quan: hi Cal

Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me. Nothing personal guys. I have a CSN concert at Red Rocks to go to! :)

Wol Euler: cool

Wol Euler: enjoy

Qt Core: have fun!

Fefonz Quan: cool! njoy!

Storm Nordwind waves

Wol Euler: snap!

Fefonz Quan envy... helplessly hoping...

Wol Euler: hello arch

Qt Core: Hi Arch

Wol Euler: and hello fael

Qt Core: and hi Fael

Fefonz Quan: hi arch

Fael Illyar: Hi Cal, Wol, Arch, Fef, Qt :)

Fefonz Quan: hi Fael!

Calvino Rabeni: Well, look at U, wol - from a distance I might have not recognized you

Wol Euler grins

Fael Illyar: whoa :)

Calvino Rabeni: Up close, OK :)

Wol Euler: it does feel unusual not to be dressed in black

Wol Euler: and without my usual hair

Fael Illyar: I don't think I've seen you in white before :)

Fefonz Quan: almost snowy white :)

Wol Euler: the outfit is called The Swan

Archmage Atlantis: The lost duckling :)

Calvino Rabeni: Are the chains, par of the outfit, or a special innovative touch?

Wol Euler: the necklace is separate

Wol Euler: Bleu was wearing something by the same maker recently, I followed her to the store :)

Fefonz Quan: woh, stalking in sl :)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: RL needs right-clickability

Calvino Rabeni: What for ?

Fefonz Quan: yes, along with the ctel-z ;-)

Wol Euler: finding out where a piece of clothing came from, for example

Wol Euler: hello mick

Wol Euler: or reading hte profiles that it also lacks :)

Calvino Rabeni: Darwin Mizser

Mickorod Renard: hiya

Wol Euler: mmhmm :)

Archmage Atlantis: And where death takes us

Qt Core: hi mick

Archmage Atlantis: mmmmm

Fefonz Quan: heya Mick!

Wol Euler: almost all of my clothing comes from AVid

Mickorod Renard: hi guys

Wol Euler: at least, all that I would wear here.

Fael Illyar smiles 'It's great to find more shops that suit your style.'

Fefonz Quan: I think i will leve soon today, if it was rl you could see i can barely keep my eyes open

Archmage Atlantis: You would wear some else, else where, Wol?

Wol Euler: awwwww

Wol Euler: yes, arch, there are other outfits that I wear elsewhere

Wol Euler: 'night fef, sleep well

Qt Core: bye Fef, sleep well

Fael Illyar: Good night Fef :)

Fefonz Quan: please go on enjoying your stay here,

Mickorod Renard: nite Fef, good 2 c u

Fefonz Quan: _/!\_

Mickorod Renard: ty

Fefonz Quan: u 2 mick :)

Archmage Atlantis: Sleep and dream, fonz

Mickorod Renard: :)

Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni returns to find Fef had gone foof

Wol Euler: heheh

Archmage Atlantis: poof, actually

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: I was wondering

Wol Euler: wonder away, mick :)

Mickorod Renard: ty

Wol Euler: out loud, even :)

Wol Euler: hello yaku

Mickorod Renard: I recal being quite sensitive to the plight of mankind once

Yakuzza Lethecus: HEY EVERYONE

Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku

Yakuzza Lethecus: sry for caps

Mickorod Renard: np

Qt Core: hi Yaku

Mickorod Renard: and I guess I still am

Mickorod Renard: without going too deep, I think I have passed through a barrier

Mickorod Renard: dificult to explain

Wol Euler: what has changed, mick?

Mickorod Renard: not sure

Mickorod Renard: I am content to observe, and not become too emotionaly involved

Fael Illyar: meep! :)

Mickorod Renard: more than content, satisfied

Wol Euler: satisfied is good :)

Mickorod Renard: satiated

Wol Euler: ah

Qt Core: may i offer you a pair of Vulcan ears, Mick ? ;-)

Mickorod Renard: that would be nice, thankyou

Archmage Atlantis: ah, yaku,may i offer the ears of all creatures on this world?

Wol Euler covers hers with her hands

Yakuzza Lethecus: you may, i would also accept vulcan ears :)

Archmage Atlantis: The movie, Avatar, tells of us the linkage

Qt Core: that is if i ever found them somewhere in sl ;-)

Archmage Atlantis: Bur does not ask it

Archmage Atlantis: Each accept of free will

Archmage Atlantis: Or chose another path

Wol Euler: "Ye olde elven shoppe" has them, qt :)

Archmage Atlantis: There are many paths

Archmage Atlantis: None is right

Archmage Atlantis: none is wrong

Yakuzza Lethecus: how can i safe my current dress settings ?

Archmage Atlantis: Fael, that is a question you can answer

Wol Euler: in the appearance editor, you can create a new outfit when saving

--BELL--

Wol Euler: but be warned that any non-copyables that you wear will be *moved* into that new folder

Fael Illyar: Wol was faster :)

Archmage Atlantis: *I like that way of saying "BeWarned"

Fael Illyar: I'd say "but do note that..."

Wol Euler is overly dramatic.

Mickorod Renard: I wonder whether it matters

Archmage Atlantis: Wol is brave

Fael Illyar giggles.

Qt Core: have to go, bye all

Wol Euler: it does matter if you have previously organized your inventory into folders, mick

Mickorod Renard: bye Qt

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye qt

Wol Euler: because it undoes that

Wol Euler: bye qt

Calvino Rabeni: Live long and prosper, QT

Mickorod Renard: ahh..well i am not organised

Archmage Atlantis: Star trek, so already done

Yakuzza Lethecus: lol

Yakuzza Lethecus: what do you prefer ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ara :)

Wol Euler: hello ara

Mickorod Renard: Ara is comming, she is confused by her new viewer

Yakuzza Lethecus: the blue box ?

arabella Ella: Hiya

Mickorod Renard: hi Ara

Yakuzza Lethecus: which is much bigger in the inside ?

arabella Ella: yes I just downloaded 2.0 and dont know how to use it

Fael Illyar: Hi ara :)

Archmage Atlantis: Ara, pls close your legs and sit like a lady

Mickorod Renard: u may be right Yaku, ,says as he looks up Ara's skirt

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

arabella Ella: is anyone here using viewer 2.0

Mickorod Renard: a tardis

Archmage Atlantis: eyebrow noted

Calvino Rabeni: Yes ara, I use it

Fael Illyar: Time for me to pop elsewhere. Have fun everyone :)

Wol Euler: bye fael, pop well

arabella Ella: is there an equivalent Calvino to the chat box of the previous viewer?

Mickorod Renard: bye Fael

Archmage Atlantis: Follows fael........love is funky

Wol Euler: bye arch, take care

Calvino Rabeni: click the triangle on the right to the text box of the lower left corner

Wol Euler: feel da funk

Calvino Rabeni: be well Archmage

Mickorod Renard: bye arch

arabella Ella: yes Calvino all that gives me is 'nearby chat'

Calvino Rabeni: what are you looking for?

Wol Euler: frustration with the chat and IM windows was one of hte things that drove me back to emerald.

arabella Ella: the previous viewer had one box with friends, local chat and IM chat too

arabella Ella: all in one box

arabella Ella: and I also wish to find out where my inventory is

Calvino Rabeni: suitcase icon on the right side

arabella Ella: yes i understand the frustration Wol ... he he

Wol Euler: that is in the sidebar that you cannot pull out far enough to see the whole of long item names

Mickorod Renard: I havnt been pressed to load a diferent viewer yet, as far as i am aware

arabella Ella: oh yes found inventory now thanks

Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni will BRB

arabella Ella: one last question

arabella Ella: if i decide to do so can i delete the previous version?

Mickorod Renard: what is the emeaning of life?

Wol Euler: previous verson of what, ara?

arabella Ella: previous version of SL viewer software?

Wol Euler: delete viewer2 if you move to emerald? yes

Wol Euler: likewise viewer1 if you move to [anything else]

arabella Ella: so ok to delete viewer 1 if i decide i eventually like viewer 2?

Wol Euler: yep

Calvino Rabeni: Arabella, if you want the chat box to work more like the 1.0 viewer,

Mickorod Renard: I hope i dont have to change my viewer, i may decide to hang my sl boots up instead

Wol Euler: no problem that I know of

Calvino Rabeni: go to preferences / chat, select Tabs, then restart the viewer

Wol Euler: no need, mick, take emerald. you won't need to notice any difference

Mickorod Renard: phew, ty

Calvino Rabeni: Then you get the IM's in one place - it is still separate from the Nearby Chat box

Wol Euler: the great appeal of emerald to me is that they didn't feel the need to make it look NEW! or DIFFERENT!

arabella Ella: Sorry Calvino but I dont know where preferences is now

Calvino Rabeni: Well! It was looking funky before, so new is GOOD :)

Calvino Rabeni: Menu Me / Preferences

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: may I ask a question that may have been asked before and not answered?

Wol Euler: please do, mick, sorry if it went unanswered

Mickorod Renard: no, this was from some months back

Mickorod Renard: u know people talk of guides, as in sufi and so forth

Mickorod Renard: not some invisible lil helper

Mickorod Renard: but like a helper to get the next stage

Mickorod Renard: anyone with me so far?

Wol Euler: I think so

Calvino Rabeni: keep going Mick :)

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: something like a non dogmatic teacher

Bertram Jacobus: hy every body - good evening ! :-)

Mickorod Renard: Hi Bert

arabella Ella: Hiya Bert

Wol Euler: hello bertr

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert

Calvino Rabeni: Namaste Bert

Mickorod Renard: maybe i shud include Bert too

Bertram Jacobus: include ? in which way ? sry - did not want to disturb (?)

Mickorod Renard: well, the question was to be, do we have one handy?

Bertram Jacobus: so simply go on if you like plz

Bertram Jacobus: handy ? mobile ? cellphone ?

Bertram Jacobus: no - simply go ahaed plz

Mickorod Renard: he he

Bertram Jacobus: ty for the im update mick

Mickorod Renard: np

Bertram Jacobus: ( i don't know what "one handy" means - sry) ... :-/

Mickorod Renard: well, I meant a regular one that frequents here

Yakuzza Lethecus: handy = etwas passend zur hand haben

Wol Euler: hmmmmmm

Bertram Jacobus: ah ! thanxx yaku ! :-)

arabella Ella: you mean you are looking for someone as a mentor Mick?

Wol Euler: I suppose that depends where whoever we are talking about wants to go next

Mickorod Renard: mentor sounds so formal and westernized

Bertram Jacobus: i'm not afraid of mentors, teachers and helpers - when they are good :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone

Bertram Jacobus: good nite yaku

Mickorod Renard: yes, I guess mentor is a good name for one

Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku

Wol Euler: bye yaku

Wol Euler: (late)

Mickorod Renard: shame Stim isnt around nowadays

Bertram Jacobus: i'm astonished mick : first you write mentor was too "formal" and then you type would be a good name ? - that confuses me ...

Wol Euler: Liza might be able to help, Mick. I find her a very good guide

Wol Euler: but it depends really where you want to go next

Mickorod Renard: well, I would have avoided mentor as it is associated in my mind with something less spiritual, but its still accurate

Bertram Jacobus: ok. ty :-)

Mickorod Renard: :)

Bertram Jacobus: confusion gets smaller ... :-)

Mickorod Renard: I would have thought Liza was more budhist?

Wol Euler: ... which is why I said "it depends" :)

Mickorod Renard: :)

arabella Ella: more buddhist ... rather than?

Bertram Jacobus: which kind of teacher would you prefere mick ? not a buddhist one ?

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: well, i get the feeling that there comes a point where it becomes beyond doctrines

arabella Ella: PaB is beyond doctrines Mick

Mickorod Renard: yes

Wol Euler: so I'm going to annoy you by being the broken record player and saying "it depends where you want to go next" :)

Wol Euler: what do you think is the next step?

Wol Euler: or do you want a mentor to show you which one is "next"?

Wol Euler: (which would be fine)

Mickorod Renard: to un tangle the web of confusion

Mickorod Renard: spring clean the mind

Wol Euler grins.

arabella Ella: do you think that is possible Mick?

Mickorod Renard: yes

arabella Ella: or do you think it may be better perhaps to consider reaching a stage of acceptance with the present confusion?

Mickorod Renard: I think I have found what I need, just need to untangle it

Mickorod Renard: dropping is good, but then it gets caught around my ankles

arabella Ella: i said acceptance not dropping Mick

arabella Ella: acceptance that the situation is what it is

arabella Ella: without the need of dropping anything

Mickorod Renard: owwwww, that could be debatable

Bertram Jacobus: all can be debatable ;o)

Mickorod Renard: accepting can include dropping

Bertram Jacobus: agree

Mickorod Renard: like if you love someone you can drop the pretence

Mickorod Renard: I think there is knowledge that has become attachment, and that in turn has become entanglment

Bertram Jacobus: yes. but we also can play ...

Wol Euler nods.

Mickorod Renard: yes, but if i work with metal I drop my wood working ability

Mickorod Renard: and visa versa

Bertram Jacobus: yes. then enjoy ! no ? ;-)

Wol Euler: well, dropping doesn't mean that it's gone for ever

Mickorod Renard: sometimes in what we do in spiritual learning is not so clear cut

Wol Euler: (not when applied to skills anyway, we might hope that our illusions and hangups disappear)

arabella Ella: most things in life are not very clear cut methinks

arabella Ella: and what we drop may be picked up again if it so allows

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: what is the limit to what we do here?

Bertram Jacobus: i don't see any limits

Wol Euler: I'm not sure what you mean. If any, they would be negotiated

Mickorod Renard: exactly

Bertram Jacobus: do you see some ?

Mickorod Renard: maybe in how we extend it ourselves

Wol Euler: damn, the light just burned out. AFK for a bit to sort that out

Mickorod Renard: I enjoy our informality, but also miss the guidance of Pema

Bertram Jacobus: in the end we have to guide ourselves

arabella Ella: we are the captains of our own ships Mick ...

Mickorod Renard: but perhaps then comes the need for a mentor

Mickorod Renard: even captains have admirals

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, PlayAsBeing is an experiment in what could be called a Peer wisdom culture. It is not a traditional place with a teacher and a doctrine

Bertram Jacobus: sometimes that can help. yes. i have some now and then. then again go alone. then may be a mentor again. and so on

Mickorod Renard: yes Bert, maybe I am ready for another guid

Mickorod Renard: guide

Calvino Rabeni: If there are limits, they are the ones we bring - and might be available for discussion and opening up also

Bertram Jacobus: have you an idea what you would like to learn mick ?

arabella Ella: Mick I agree with you that it would be lovely to find a guide or mentor with whom you can share your innermost thoughts and ask for valuable advice ... but ...

arabella Ella: experience also teaches me

Mickorod Renard: I am drawn to wanting to understand more of sufi wisdom

Bertram Jacobus: ahh ! :-))

arabella Ella: that no one except for the individual himself or herself knows or understands the precise situation

Mickorod Renard: :)

Bertram Jacobus: then you know where "to go" ! :-)

Mickorod Renard: I get the feeling there may be some local to pab, but maybe not

arabella Ella: what do you know about sufi wisdom Mick as I must admit i know very little if anything?

Wol Euler: back

Mickorod Renard: well, it would be wrong of me to say I know anything of it.

Mickorod Renard: but what I have read seems to lead from where I am

--BELL--

Wol Euler nods

Mickorod Renard: hi liza

Wol Euler: hello liza

Liza Deischer: hi

Bertram Jacobus: (they are the so called "mystical part" of islam. the "islame estabishment" finds them often very "suspect" ... they make experiences more then the others , practice for them is very important. and the very famous dances bring them into a state of trance where they come to some stages which may be language doesn't can describe anymore) ...

arabella Ella: Hiya Liza

Bertram Jacobus: hy liza ...

Calvino Rabeni: :)) Hello Goood to see you...

Liza Deischer: (long night here :-))

arabella Ella nods

Wol Euler: :)

Liza Deischer: but good to see some normal people :-)

Bertram Jacobus: seems to be often the last time : long nites here :-)

Wol Euler: :)

Bertram Jacobus: hehe - were you together with others liza ? :-)

Liza Deischer: yes, lot of work for the GoC'

Liza Deischer: :-)

Bertram Jacobus: what is goc ? sry - forgot :-/

Liza Deischer: trying to explore the lesbian scene

Liza Deischer: but only finding extremes

Wol Euler grins.

arabella Ella: :)

Liza Deischer: still feeling pale

Wol Euler nods sadly

Bertram Jacobus: can understand

arabella Ella: GoC the Guardian who is hosting

Bertram Jacobus: lol ah

Bertram Jacobus: ty how embarassing

Wol Euler: :)

Liza Deischer: not at all Bert

Liza Deischer: actually it is quite stupid to use those ....eh

Liza Deischer: what are they called in english?

Bertram Jacobus: abriviations ? ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: abkürzungen

Bertram Jacobus: afkortings :-)

Wol Euler: abbreviations

Liza Deischer: abkürzungen yes

Wol Euler: or acronyms

Bertram Jacobus: so we can learn so much here ! ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: thankful for that ...

Bertram Jacobus: play to learn ... ;o)

Bertram Jacobus: or learn to play :-)

arabella Ella: remember Bert how you never liked the idea of 'humble' in IMHO

Bertram Jacobus: yes ?

Bertram Jacobus: i think, it's simply wrong - no ? (lol)

Bertram Jacobus: i'm naughty sry :o)

arabella Ella giggles

Wol Euler: :)

Bertram Jacobus: why did you write that ara ? you thought i had learned something about that ? ;o)

Liza Deischer: in my honest opinion?

Wol Euler: you

Wol Euler: you've mentioned that before, bert :)

Bertram Jacobus: yes : i think it's a contradiction when one says such from oneself - no ? :o)

arabella Ella: i just remember you asking some time back when you were still quite new what IMHO means and you having difficulty with the 'humble' bit

Bertram Jacobus: no - humble. sry

Bertram Jacobus: not honest

Liza Deischer: I know, just chaging it on the spot

arabella Ella: it is just like saying 'Please dont take me to be arrogant but I would like to say ... whatever ...' similar to IMHO

Liza Deischer: that is a contradiction :-)

Bertram Jacobus: yes ... okay ... taht i learned ... some ... but like to take it litterally too :o)

Liza Deischer: (btw, you look great Wol, lot of details :-))

Wol Euler: ty :) from AVid, of course

Liza Deischer: sure :-)

arabella Ella: yes Wol I love your look too ... fantastic :)

Wol Euler beams. THank you

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: very nice

Calvino Rabeni: RL calls - I'm going to go wonder off somewhere

Wol Euler: bye cal, enjoy.

Mickorod Renard: bye Cal, and ty

Liza Deischer: okay Cal, have a nice day

arabella Ella: bye Calvino and thank you so much!

Bertram Jacobus: bye cal - have a good time plz

Calvino Rabeni: :)) Bert, you too!

Calvino Rabeni: Bye

Mickorod Renard: :)

Bertram Jacobus: i'll log off too - ty all again - and may all beings be very happy plz ! ;-)

Wol Euler: bye bert, take care

Mickorod Renard: bye |Bert

Liza Deischer: bye Bert

Bertram Jacobus: tyty bye *wave*

arabella Ella: nite Bert

Mickorod Renard: I have to go bed now, c u all tommorow

Wol Euler: I think I should move on too, it's late.

Wol Euler: goodngiht all, thanks for the discussion

Liza Deischer: bye Wol, Mick

Liza Deischer: bye everyone ??

Liza Deischer: :-))

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: wb

arabella Ella: Hiya crashed

arabella Ella: but gtg

arabella Ella: good night

Liza Deischer: night Ara

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