2010.06.03 19:00 - We All Dream

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by  Paradise  Tennant.

    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Paradise Tennant: how are you ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: were those your flowers?
    stevenaia Michinaga: good
    Paradise Tennant: hiya

    Eden Haiku: Yes, they were I forgot them this morning ;)
    Paradise Tennant: gtsy !
    stevenaia Michinaga: I seem to be on some sort of dreaming marathon lately, had 3 more last night, 2 that I remember
    stevenaia Michinaga: very unusual for me
    Eden Haiku: HI Paradise. I was fast-reading last session log where you and Steve were talking about dreams.
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: we are on a dream marathon :) as steve mentions
    Eden Haiku: Steve you said something so interesting about parallel worlds being close to us or something like that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking of restarting a journal again
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: with all these thoughts of parallel universes, it makes sense that they may tough when dreaming
    stevenaia Michinaga: *tough
    stevenaia Michinaga: touch
    stevenaia Michinaga: then seeing the future or other thing that come true may make sense, where else can the imagery come from
    Paradise Tennant: hmm was watching two documentaries tonight by stephen hawkings one was on time travel :)
    Paradise Tennant: quite possible
    stevenaia Michinaga: making the un real , real
    stevenaia Michinaga: were they on youtube?
    Paradise Tennant: just have to either boomerang your self around a black hole or go close to the speed of life
    Paradise Tennant: nope discovery channel :)
    Eden Haiku: Oh, time travel and parallel universes touching in dreams!
    stevenaia Michinaga: if universes and dimensions are on membranes and they touch, perhaps when we sleep our mind sense that
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: can't say I thought this one through :)
    Eden Haiku: On membranes Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: but we seem to perceive much that we are unaware of
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: string theory mentions this
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Eden Haiku:  theory is very interesting!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I watch to much nation geographic science
    Eden Haiku: Sorry for all the ...That is me looking in the underworld for the peonies I apparently forgot here also...
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise</place> Tennant: smiles
    Eden Haiku: It seems I can't dive under the pool....
    stevenaia Michinaga: we can make the pool go away
    stevenaia Michinaga: no flowers there
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Paradise Tennant: how do you adjust your horizon on your camera so
    Eden Haiku: Well, no worries...
    Paradise Tennant: <city w:st="on">eden</place></city> can snoop below the ground level storm explained it to me
    Eden Haiku: Should I widen the angle maybe?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Zxxxxx
    Paradise Tennant: could try your camera controls
    Paradise Tennant: hiya zxxxxx :) welcome
    stevenaia Michinaga: we are 103 feet up, there must be a way to fly under us
    Paradise Tennant: have you been to pab before
    Paradise Tennant: here is a notecard
    Eden Haiku: Looking for peonies in the underworld is maybe a practical metaphor about dream worlds.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I see you have a physics interest, Zxxxxx, would you like to tell us about string theory and multiverses?
    Paradise Tennant: explains what we do here :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes eden
    Paradise Tennant: we also record our conversations .. so what you say would be posted to a wiki site .. do you
    stevenaia Michinaga: if you know about such things
    Paradise Tennant: object?
    Eden Haiku: Hi Zxxxxx, would you mind sitting down please?
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps he is distracted
    Paradise Tennant: yes may have a window open or be in another application .. perhaps we should not worry about his feet getting too wet :)
    Eden Haiku: This morning, he stayed for the whole session, afk all the time ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it can be embarrassing making that sloshing sound when he walks away
    Eden Haiku: his morning, he stayed for the whole session, afk all the time ;)
    Paradise Tennant: yep gives you wrinkly toes :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I see, shall we try the other side?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: ok
    Paradise Tennant: dreams and peonies it is then ?
    Eden Haiku: smiles too
    Eden Haiku: Mutiverses and string theory, too bad we have a scientist here who won't answer our questions. Maybe we can read his mind?
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Paradise Tennant: listening to stephen hawking tonight
    Eden Haiku: yes
    Paradise Tennant: I always wonder if he will figure it out .
    Paradise Tennant: but by then be beyond communicating
    Eden Haiku: the whole picture you mean ;)
    Paradise Tennant: you would look in his eyes and know he knows .. but cannot say :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles he has a great sense of humor
    Paradise Tennant: listened to him talk at u of t once
    Eden Haiku: Yes that should happen this way As soon as he knows it all, his last movement vanishes...
    Eden Haiku: So we keep the suspense!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I enjoy listening to pema's discussion of science and how new and changing it is over the very recent human history and how each new thought builds on the last and changes other previous ideas
    Eden Haiku: Was I writing and then his moves being translated in voice?
    Eden Haiku: *he (Stephen Hawking)
    Paradise Tennant: he has an automated voice
    Paradise Tennant: some sort of interconnection
    Paradise Tennant: not sure he has use of his fingers any more
    Eden Haiku: Amazing he can communicate through all these obstacles...
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: the human spirit
    Paradise Tennant: in full bloom
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, where would that mind be 50 years ago, in its own prison unable to communicate
    Paradise Tennant: makes you blink
    Eden Haiku: Yes Steve, your previous remark about science changing all other previous ideas...
    Paradise Tennant: you know his break through math was very messy
    Eden Haiku: Messy?
    Paradise Tennant: at first they thought naw this is too messy it cannot work .. but it held together for a long time .. makes me think that life is messy :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal gtsy :)
    Eden Haiku: Hi Calvino
    Paradise Tennant: eventually it was over turned by even messier math :) big grin
    stevenaia Michinaga: II went to school with someone who programmed satellites in high school for nasa and became a programmer, I always wondered what he would have been doing if was born 100 years ago
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, good evening Paradise. Eden
    Paradise Tennant: smiles running shipping logistics :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: wb Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks!
    Paradise Tennant: crash or an involuntary tp ..tried the viewer 2 for just a few hours get beaming myself all over the place .. lol
    Paradise Tennant: *kept ..
    Eden Haiku: Beaming yourself all over the place would be a good metaphor for traveling through metaverses and dreams.
    Paradise Tennant: yes it is ..isn't it ... away of escaping the physical realm
    Eden Haiku: Escaping you think?
    Eden Haiku: Is it what we do when we dream?
    Paradise Tennant: hmm stepping outside of perhaps a better way to express it
    Paradise Tennant: what did you dream about recently steve you said you have been having lots of dreams
    Eden Haiku: Teleporting out of physical plane?
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Steve, do tell!
    stevenaia Michinaga: one was about a bank robbery with will smith and a 94 yr old grandmother, a very strange gang
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..yep ..
    stevenaia Michinaga: we didn’t make a fast get away
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Eden Haiku: Will Smith comes into your dreams, I wonder what it means :))
    Ewan Bonham: It could mean we are a bit of Will smith
    stevenaia Michinaga: they other was just about a garage with many books stored in it
    Paradise Tennant: hiya ewan gtsy :) welcome
    Eden Haiku: Hello Druth and Ewan ;)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya druth :)
    druth Vlodovic: :)
    Eden Haiku: Garage with books, mmm
    Ewan Bonham: Greetings
    stevenaia Michinaga: I never really think about meaning, just how unusual the stories may be or where the familiar landmarks come from
    Ewan Bonham: I believe Dreams are a part of us seeking expression.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Ewan, I would think so too
    stevenaia Michinaga: don;t think I saw andy Will smith movie's lately, but he has been in quite a few
    stevenaia Michinaga: *any
    Eden Haiku: Men in black from outer space?
    stevenaia Michinaga: one of my favorite movies
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: liked the dog :)
    Eden Haiku: There was a dog in this movie, you have a good eye Paradise (for dogs!)
    Paradise Tennant: lol yes first thing I notice ..
    Eden Haiku: Reminds me of a story.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: ....listens
    Ewan Bonham: I love stories
    Eden Haiku: A group of primitive people from the jungle are shown a documentary about a big city.
    Eden Haiku: The only thing they remember afterwards is the lion at the zoo ;)
    Eden Haiku: The only thing that made sense to them...
    Eden Haiku: I inherited my father's lack of timing when telling stories ;) That was it !
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
    Ewan Bonham: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe
    Eden Haiku: We recognize what is familiar.
    Paradise Tennant: when we look around our worlds both objective and our own internal subjective reality what parts make sense ?
    druth Vlodovic: maybe why dreams fade so quickly
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: they do not make sense so are filtered
    stevenaia Michinaga: dreams are an interesting part of reality that are allowed not to make sense
    Eden Haiku: Ah yes, interesting thought Druth: dreams worlds being unfamiliar, we cannot recall what we went through...
    stevenaia Michinaga: dropping sense
    Ewan Bonham: indeed , that is how they are able to reveal themselves to you.
    Ewan Bonham: Somewhat like SL
    Eden Haiku: Dropping from one world into another
    Paradise Tennant: was watching a documentary once that suggested the Indians did not see the ships of the first European settlers for a long time ..because the image made no sense to them
    Eden Haiku: Wow that is a good example Paradise!
    Eden Haiku: Wondering what we are missing now...
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and nods ..
    Eden Haiku: That is how dreams are able to reveal themselves Ewan, how so?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Geo, nice to see you again
    Paradise Tennant: welcome geo :)
    Eden Haiku: Nice to meet you Geo
    Geo Netizen bows to all
    Paradise Tennant: we have been talking of dreams geo :) their magic and mystery :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you dream often Geo
    Geo Netizen: An excellent and most interesting topics
    Geo Netizen: I do dream often
    Ewan Bonham: Science says we dream daily but we don't remember most of them.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I used to nap and dream in short 20 minute naps
    Ewan Bonham: Or maybe it is not the time to remember those particular ones.
    Geo Netizen: Yes, I think we can train ourselves to remember our dreams
    Eden Haiku: When writing dreams down years ago, I could remember 3, 4 or 5 of them .
    stevenaia Michinaga: my office associate was amazed I could lay down and sleep just like that, let alone dream
    Geo Netizen: yet we do often are forgetful
    Geo Netizen nods
    druth Vlodovic: I've heard that recording dreams actually alters the types of dreams we have
    Ewan Bonham: There is a time for all awareness.
    stevenaia Michinaga: how would you know?
    Geo Netizen: To record when we first awake helps us to remember
    Geo Netizen: Now is the time for awareness :)
    druth Vlodovic: they tracked the dreams of a bunch of people over time, as they got better at remembering and recording they reported that they had altered over time, it was part of an experiment of some type,
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes the sense of deja vue makes me think I may have dreamed it first
    Paradise Tennant: they were more in control of their dreaming experience ?
    Ewan Bonham: I have read that study and others like it. It helped folks to integrate parts of themselves
    Geo Netizen: Yes Paradise, I remember that study and it is true that, with practice, one can influence their dreams
    druth Vlodovic: well, you can learn control, but it's hard to let go again if you do it too much
    Geo Netizen: Which just makes the topic that much more complex
    Ewan Bonham: Integration is a bit different to me than control. Integration can give me freedom.
    Geo Netizen: Welcome back Stevenaia
    druth Vlodovic: what is integration?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Cal just returned, Geo
    Calvino Rabeni: Integration is the parts working together
    Geo Netizen: ahhh .... :)
    Ewan Bonham: oh, integration means putting pieces together that may have fallen apart. it is like taking awareness and sewing it back into the fabric of our personality.
    Calvino Rabeni: Like a jazz combo
    Ewan Bonham: :)
    Paradise Tennant: I have a proposal :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: watching stephen hawking documentary tonight ..
    Geo Netizen nods
    Ewan Bonham: Yes
    Paradise Tennant: they mentioned the only radio signal from outer space ever recorded in 40 years was
    Paradise Tennant: 6EQUJ5
    Paradise Tennant: a set of six letters and numbers
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Rrose
    Paradise Tennant: why do we not dream on what that message might mean :)
    Paradise Tennant: big smile
    Ewan Bonham: Hmmm..what might that mean?
    Calvino Rabeni: I think there was a warrant out for that license plate :)
    Rrose Millar: Hi!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya rrose
    Paradise Tennant: lol @ cal
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Rrose?
    Eden Haiku: I am Eden's alt Steve.
    Rrose Millar: See, I did not type on the laptop...
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: well that about sums it up Eden :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: I thought your profile looked familiar
    Eden Haiku: :))
    Rrose Millar: ;))
    druth Vlodovic: oh say, isn't this what we were talking about earlier?
    druth Vlodovic: «There is another reality, beyond what we see with our eyes. You have to feel your way into that reality with your heart, There is no other way» Gregory David Roberts in «Shantaram»
    Eden Haiku: Such a great book, so profound!
    stevenaia Michinaga: nicely put
    Geo Netizen: Dreams are not attempts to conceal your true feelings from the waking mind, but rather they are a window to your unconscious.
    Rrose Millar: I agree:)
    Ewan Bonham: Hmm...I am a believer in that, Drutgh
    Ewan Bonham: I mean Druth
    druth Vlodovic: :) it's from RRose's profile
    Eden Haiku: Really? I completely forgot...
    Ewan Bonham: We can see with our hearts better than with our eyes.
    druth Vlodovic: we mentioned how something wholly unfamiliar might be difficult to perceive
    Rrose Millar: No wonder I agree then :)
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, part of my journey is to discover how to perceive much of that as very familiar...universal.
    Geo Netizen: But perception is so prone to misperceptions
    Paradise Tennant: watches the dawn rise in our other world :)
    Geo Netizen smiles at the perception
    Calvino Rabeni: The job of perception is to come up with a reasonably plausible story and then stick with it
    Ewan Bonham: Lol- but sticking with it may keep us in the 'mud' of judgment
    Calvino Rabeni: We're the lotus, live in the mud
    Geo Netizen: Tis true that perceptions that increase survival value get propagated.
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: omg I'm so sorry
    Geo Netizen bows
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I wish you could have put an invisi-prim box around me
    Eden Haiku: Ah, it is quite a relief to see you seated I must say Zxxxxx ;)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya zxxxxx welcome
    Ewan Bonham: Hello Zxxxx
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: "Well, I guess I can start my lecture now"
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: :/
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I don't know how to apologize for that! :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we re-arranges around you, no problem
    Geo Netizen: Tis a quirk of SL that we all suffer from periodically
    Eden Haiku: An act I'm going to follow, bye everyone!
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: "The first thing I would say is that I have made many mistakes -- most of what I have done have been mistakes." -- written to me by a master in a dream
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Eden
    Rrose Millar: It is late, I will wish you all sweet dreams!
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Oh, you could have actually pushed me to the side
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite eden :)
    Paradise Tennant: thanks for coming :)
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: G'night Eden, nice seeing you again
    Geo Netizen bows
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: can any of you rezz here?
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Geo Netizen bows to Rrose
    Geo Netizen: I am able to rez
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: so yeah, that idea would work -- you could just push me with your bodies, all friendly-like, out of the way
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we were rather thinking of eliminating the pool so you did get your feet too wet :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it would be unfulfilling contact
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: or, easier, rez a larger prim which would be easier to push, and to push me
    Paradise Tennant: welcome narita :)
    Geo Netizen nods to Nanita
    Paradise Tennant: have you been here before :)
    Narita Rayna: hiya :)
    Ewan Bonham: I am grateful for you all and for the time we have spent.
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Hi Narita :)
    Paradise Tennant: here is a notecard
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Don't tell them I invited you -- I just suffered an embarrassing "moment" here and don't want to relate the two of us out of respect for you.
    Narita Rayna: LOL oh lord
    Paradise Tennant: the conversations are recorded on a wiki site are you ok with that
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at ewan :)
    Paradise Tennant: thank you :)
    Narita Rayna: sorry kids I got to get back to work - have a great night :D
    Paradise Tennant: and you :)
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Bye Narita :)
    Paradise Tennant: sigh I should scoot too . really quite late in this little corner of the globe ..thanks so much everyone for sharing your thoughts .. your time .. :)
    druth Vlodovic: I'm off too, I look forward to seeing what I missed earlier :)
    Geo Netizen bows to all departures
    Paradise Tennant: we covered a lot of ground going to be tricky coming up with a title :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Night Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: And I have a cooking task - thanks all and have a good day :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Calvino
    Paradise Tennant: good nite all :)
    Geo Netizen: Lets see, Zxxxxx finds a seat and everyone leaves .... hummmm .... :)
    Geo Netizen: just joking :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we were hoping you wouldn't sit, now you know why
    Geo Netizen chuckles
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I'm sorry
    stevenaia Michinaga: no need to apologize
    stevenaia Michinaga: the conversation continues
    Geo Netizen: And that conversation is …. ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: whatever arises
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I was referring to earlier when Zxxxxx was standing there
    stevenaia Michinaga: for the 1st 90 minutes
    stevenaia Michinaga: in the fountain
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: How do you recognize what is an important issue to involve yourself in this life?
    stevenaia Michinaga: did you agree to have your comments and name in our log, Zxxxxx?
    Calvino Rabeni: Judgment, conscience?
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: What if it's asked of you and you forget, or are unsure
    Geo Netizen: We all dream. Every night - as we dim the light of consciousness - we enter the realm of the dream. In this dream state our imagination runs free with little or no interference from our conscious mind. In the morning, when we wake and return to consciousness, we may bring with us a recollection of the wanderings of our imagination - we remember the dream. To dream is natural, it is a universal experience. All people of all cultures enter into this dream state when they sleep. As sleep research has shown even animals dream. How we regard the dream, however, varies from culture to culture and from person to person. Unfortunately most of us remain unaware of our dreams. We fail to remember them. Even if we do remember a dream it is typically dismissed as meaningless and unimportant. For those of us who do place an importance on the dream it still remains a mystery. So what is a dream?
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: stevenaia is it placed on the web?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, if you request we can dis-associate your name
    stevenaia Michinaga: where is that from Goe?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Geo
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Today was possibly a bad day to publically reveal those comments -- yet stripping out just the earlier portions of my name is too much to ask, perhaps?
    Geo Netizen: Something from Jung which I thought might relate to what was on tap when I arrived.
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I consider what I present of value, and with responsibility -- purposeful. Just like I do not write any material and publish it.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I will talk to Paradise who posts the log to out Wiki
    stevenaia Michinaga: our
    Geo Netizen seems to be a little behind the curve here
    stevenaia Michinaga: not at all Geo
    stevenaia Michinaga: Zxxxx, what did you mean by: [20:44] Zxxxxx Xxxxx: What if it's asked of you and you forget, or are unsure
    stevenaia Michinaga: how do you recognize what is an important issue to involve yourself in this life?
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you ever forget what is important to yourself?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Calvino, can you change the notice of recording so the wiki address is updated?
    stevenaia Michinaga: when the 90 sec notice is posted
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: I mean, when I was young I could develop and interest and pursue it. I don't know how this was possible but it was.
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: And I still see people do this -- and it fascinates me. Now I have so many interests and wishes about important things, but I do not know their true value, nor what is truly for me to do.
    Geo Netizen: I am called elsewhere … pax et bonum ….
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: Isn't it possible to do something you think is good, but it has severe consequences?
    Geo Netizen bows deeply
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Geo
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx for joining us
    Calvino Rabeni: @Steve, you can ask wol to change that notice
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: take care, Geo
    Zxxxxx Xxxxx: afk
    stevenaia Michinaga: something insignificant to one person can be good, bad or severe to another
    stevenaia Michinaga: or significant
    Calvino Rabeni: It's no doubt important to keep up the relative fiction of knowing what is going on and being able to predict what may happen
    stevenaia Michinaga: getting late here, see you again soon, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: that would be good, Stevenaia
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll go back to my meal preparation
    Calvino Rabeni: good to meet you Zxxxxx
    Calvino Rabeni: bye for now


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