2010.06.05 19:00 - How to Drop and What to Drop

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: Hi there, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Go Player Pema :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: you definitely are dressed for a go game!
    Pema Pera: very impressive
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :) The fan makes Steve a bit nervous
    Eliza Madrigal: He tells me it can be used as a weapon, hah.... but of course I chose this for the colors
    Pema Pera: I think it would be mostly a symbolic weapon, for in a Noh play or Kabuki play :-)
    Pema Pera: or a Second Life play for that matter (^_^)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, seems so, though Calvino suggested its a distraction... that the real weapon would be the gorgous hairpin!
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: I thought perhaps refined acerbic wit . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: nice awful spelling of gorgeous there...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah well if I've that... tis well hidden ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, how are you tonight Pema?
    Eliza Madrigal: this morning rather :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza, Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :))
    Pema Pera: fine, enjoying the quiet Sunday morning here in Kyoto, with perfect temperatures still; the rainy season can start now any day, but it's still sunny today
    Pema Pera: hi Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal imagines there might be beautiful umbrellas in kyoto
    Bleu Oleander: sounds nice
    Pema Pera: yes, against sun and against rain
    Pema Pera: so umbrellas are everywhere for the next few months, every day :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, in Miami too... we were flooded terribly the other night, with many cars broken down in the roads, but the next day, the red flowers from the royal poinsiana trees had formed gorgous ribbons all over the lawns....
    Bleu Oleander: ooo sounds pretty even though not fun for the people broken down
    Eliza Madrigal: ha, and there's my awful spelling of gorgeous again... can't imagine why I keep doing that
    Bleu Oleander: didn't notice :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It really was Bleu... how I felt too :)

    Bleu brings up "dropping", a key aspect of Play as Being; it would become the central theme for this session.

    Bleu Oleander: so I have a question on "dropping"
    Pema Pera: yes, Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: is dropping = wearing lightly or dropping all together?
    --BELL--
    Bleu Oleander: is it more a question of awareness of our different lenses that we use to view the world?
    Pema Pera: a great question . . .
    Bleu Oleander: i hear both views
    Pema Pera: the notion "dropping" is short hand for going beyond our usual preoccupation with words and concepts and the kind of running-on endless thinking that keeps us trapped in loops
    Pema Pera: but in order to talk about this "beyond" we have to use words from within that where we are trapped in
    Pema Pera: using words like "beyond" or "dropping" etc . . .
    Pema Pera: and each word has its pitfalls -- like "beyond" can lead you to think you can neglect the world of everyday
    Pema Pera: and "dropping" can have the same misinterpretation
    Bleu Oleander: exactly
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Pema Pera: dropping is definitely NOT anything like denying, ignoring, etc
    Pema Pera: so "wearing lightly" is a good start, for sure, but again that too is like a shadow on a wall
    Pema Pera: a shadow of that what dropping points to, projected on the wall of words
    Bleu Oleander: hard to find the right words
    Pema Pera: the more you actually go there, the more you get a taste, and then when others ask you to describe it you mumble something like "wearing lightly" :-)
    Pema Pera: or "dropping" or . . .
    Pema Pera: and of course there is here . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: So is what is being dropped, the loopiness of whatever it is?
    Pema Pera: the invitation is to open our eyes for what is here
    Pema Pera: perhaps the intense preoccupation with "playing as self"
    Pema Pera: is what is dropped
    Pema Pera: our sense of self importance, of being in the center of everything
    Bleu Oleander: I find that as I focus more attention on my playing as self the lighter it feels
    Pema Pera: we may play as Being a bit here and there but we tend to play as self 24/7
    Pema Pera: yes, Bleu!!
    Pema Pera: it only is a problem when it's overlooked -- like any addiction

    Bleu then shared with us a very vivid example of dropping.

    Bleu Oleander: I tried a 9 sec break today at our salon
    Bleu Oleander: it was a salon with an artist who's work I didn't like
    Pema Pera: :)
    Bleu Oleander: I open my vision and started to listen
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)) ::;waves her fan::::
    Pema Pera: (watch for the pin, Steve!)
    Bleu Oleander: and found a very interesting intersection where I could relate to her
    stevenaia Michinaga: sites quickly
    stevenaia Michinaga: sits
    Bleu Oleander: hi steve
    Pema Pera: how nice, Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal: mm, listens
    Bleu Oleander: I dropped my preconceived notions and left myself open
    Bleu Oleander: it was an interesting experiment for me
    Bleu Oleander: started with 9 sec
    Pema Pera: it's so inspiring to hear that, Bleu, what can come up once we just open, without expectations
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: It really is inspiring Bleu. What was your experience with the work then?
    Bleu Oleander: it was more about the process than the work .... still didn't like the work .... but found interesting ideas about process and sharing
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!
    Bleu Oleander: which is what art is about for me
    Eliza Madrigal: that's even more interesting in a way, yes
    Pema Pera: a great example of dropping without dropping
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Pema Pera: dropping your resistance but not necessarily dropping your sense of judgment
    --BELL--
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: So but without the resistance then, the judgement seems more more lively... or hm...
    Bleu Oleander: focus changed
    Pema Pera: yes, judging is fine! Not leaving room for other judgments is what can make it problematic
    Bleu Oleander: not judging the work became sharing stories of process
    Pema Pera: each moment we judge, otherwise we couldn't even walk on the street
    Pema Pera: in what way, Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: her approach to her art
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm
    Bleu Oleander: she in one sense "dropped" her ideas of "me the artist" and went out to others
    Bleu Oleander: so changed her focus
    Bleu Oleander: from working solo to working with others in a collaborative way
    Bleu Oleander: which circled back to her own art
    Eliza Madrigal: And you could see all of that then?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: she was a good communicator

    Such an inspiring story!

    Pema Pera: what a rich harvest from seeding 9 seconds :-)
    Bleu Oleander: yes I thought so!
    Eliza Madrigal: many layers there... seeing through the first reaction to the work, and into the process, into the artist and her history...
    Eliza Madrigal: into a sense of connection with her in that... such appreciation
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Pema Pera: have you had similar experiences with the 9-sec breaks, Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: yes, but for some reason today seemed more relavent
    --BELL--
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m a slight bit confused, (maybe) are yu speaking about your observations of someone else or of a change in you ( I see a third person)
    Bleu Oleander: actually both
    stevenaia Michinaga: your art (process) bleu
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: perhaps more tangible in some way, due to the artist and her work before you.. like a set space to observe in
    Bleu Oleander: ideas about process
    Pema Pera: at first, we tend to do the 9-sec when we are alone and with not much going on, which is a good way to start -- but in my experience, too, the real mileage comes from doing it in the middle of a activity; where dropping cannot be done literally, so we are forced to do it in a more subtle and deeper way
    Bleu Oleander: yes, that's how it felt today
    Bleu Oleander: in the middle of activity to drop and see more clearly
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: A long time ago, Doug talked about doing the 9-sec while talking with someone one-on-one or even while giving a lecture -- I thought that was both very hard and very interesting, and I was amazed at the effect when I tried it
    Pema Pera: it felt at once more disengaged and actually more engaged
    stevenaia Michinaga: was jsut thinking about Doug, Pema
    Pema Pera: hard to put in words
    Bleu Oleander: yes, it seems more powerful in a way
    Pema Pera: yes, Steve, he must be here in spirit, at least for 9 sec :-)
    Pema Pera: often by stepping back we also step right in . . .
    Pema Pera: stepping back from our habitual defenses perhaps, becoming more naked
    Eliza Madrigal: something I've been trying to describe also, how one can let go of something and yet engage more because of that... see more that it has to offer by setting it free...
    stevenaia Michinaga: certainly harder to do in a RL group
    stevenaia Michinaga: 9 seconds is a long time to leave an active conversation
    Pema Pera: no need to leave -- you can keep talking
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to natural here
    Pema Pera: and yet drop your usual identification with yourself and the point you're making
    Pema Pera: watch yourself and others talking
    stevenaia Michinaga: leaving in terms of exchanging one persepctive for another
    Pema Pera: may seem impossible, but actually not that hard

    What to keep and what to drop.

    Bleu Oleander: I actually kept my attention during the 9 sec but felt like I was watching myself .... exactly Pema
    Eliza Madrigal usually drops her point wthout intending to.. hehe
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Pema Pera: a true natural :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hah, yes lets go with that ;-)
    Pema Pera: we think somehow that we have to keep the universe together all the time, carrying the world upon our shoulders -- good to relax that for a few seconds . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: "what would atlas do?"
    Bleu Oleander: pick up the world and run with it hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera remembering various song texts
    Pema Pera: jumbled together
    Pema Pera also sees a PaB song in the making
    Bleu Oleander: hum a few bars
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! We can sing it at the karaoke session we're planning!
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Bleu Oleander: oh when it that ??
    Bleu Oleander would buy a ticket to that!
    Pema Pera wondering about when we will be visiting a few bars
    Bleu Oleander: drop the humming and start the visiting :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: plenty of those in SL, but perhaps we should start in our own BAR (5 bells?)
    Eliza Madrigal: Not sure... but we were thinking, well... Ag, and Zen, and hm, at least a few of us were thinking... perhaps a pub day
    Eliza Madrigal: "Songs of Being" ... then, we'll make an album....
    Bleu Oleander: in text or voice?
    --BELL--

    We begin to spin out the idea of songs in text . . .

    Eliza Madrigal: haha, well... its been a bit of a 'okay but not really' but definitely if others are game, voice :
    Bleu Oleander: karaoke in text .... could be the next hot thing ... ha!
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps the next project, Bleu, Music of Being... I'll listen (someone has to)
    Bleu Oleander: I was thinking we should do some performance art
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paradise
    Bleu Oleander: hey Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves all round
    Pema Pera: hi Paradise!
    Pema Pera still thinking about the concept of karaoke in text . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: performance art might be fun... hard to be a manequin (sp?) in SL though
    Bleu Oleander: could be big :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahha
    Pema Pera: 〜〜♪へ(^o^ヘ)(ノ^o^)ノ♪
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Paradise Tennant: took some theartre in university ..learned improv .. how to be banana has not proven helpful yet :)
    Pema Pera: (^-^)/♪.。.:*・゜☆.。.:*・゜☆.。.:*・゜
    Bleu Oleander: you're a natural
    Bleu Oleander: (makes note to cast P as the banana)
    Paradise Tennant: nods I will take care of the fruit :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, Paradise. You and I can work on 'the machine'.. improv 101 and surely what we seem to do here sometimes
    Pema Pera: what wonderful ideas!
    Bleu Oleander: fun!
    Pema Pera: Alas, RL is beckoning (and actually calling)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: thank you so much for sharing your 9 secs Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema :) Have a nice day
    Bleu Oleander: enjoy your beautiful sunday
    Paradise Tennant: smiles enjoy your day pema :)
    Pema Pera: so funny that we spend more than 9 minutes talking about special 9 seconds
    Bleu Oleander: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: What a nice session, have enjoyed it very much
    Bleu Oleander: yes, me too

    I took off, so I will leave the remainder of the session uncommented.

    stevenaia Michinaga: the rewards / realizations of practice are lovely
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and enjoys the company .. the quiet .. the niceness !
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and its funny... I love our conversations and the things we talk about, but hm... really nice to talk about the 9 seconds... its like it just waits for us to notice sometimes :)
    Bleu Oleander: somehow no matter how often it's talked about it seems to need further clarification and understanding
    Bleu Oleander: hi Lucinda
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Lucinda
    Paradise Tennant: hiya lucinda
    Eliza Madrigal: Agree, Bleu, another funny and remarkable thing :)
    Lucinda Lavender: hello all!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :))
    Bleu Oleander: a lifetime in 9 sec
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Julutela :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome to PlayasBeing. You're welcome to join us :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Julu, I've just given you a note about the group :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    Bleu Oleander: nite steve
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve ;)
    Julutela Velde: IFJIDJF
    Eliza Madrigal: We're just winding down the session now (started at 7SLT)
    Lucinda Lavender: good night Steve...
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Steve
    Julutela Velde: RED?
    Eliza Madrigal: We are here at 1,7,1,7 every day :)) Also, we record our sessions...
    Julutela Velde: GOOD
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you might being included in the recording?
    Julutela Velde: good nathi
    Julutela Velde: bay
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, good night Nice to meet you
    Eliza Madrigal: I've got to get going... quite sleepy, but thank you all for the pleasant company
    Bleu Oleander: gtg too
    Bleu Oleander: night all
    Paradise Tennant: good nite eliza
    Paradise Tennant: big wave
    Lucinda Lavender: good night Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Paradise, Bleu, Lucinda :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye :)
    Paradise Tennant: was thinking of catching a bit of max kleene's set ..anyone up for some music ?
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not know who that is...
    Lucinda Lavender: ?
    Paradise Tennant: folk singer from niagara falls ..a friend :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Ah!
    Lucinda Lavender: I might like that...
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Used to live in Buffalo
    Lucinda Lavender: as a kid
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening Paradise and Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: If we were to go how does the listening part work?
    Paradise Tennant: well you have to go to the edit menu
    Paradise Tennant: scroll down to the bottom to preferences
    Paradise Tennant: click it .. then up will pop a box with a number of tabs
    Lucinda Lavender: which edit menu?
    Paradise Tennant: click audio videa
    Paradise Tennant: the one on the top of your screen
    Paradise Tennant: hnn you are in viewer 2 and I am in emerald
    Paradise Tennant: cal how dose she enable streaming
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: 2
    Lucinda Lavender: I can figure that out
    Lucinda Lavender: what do you think cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: The preferences is the first thing in Me menu, in the second viewer
    Lucinda Lavender: I have never heard any one live in 2L so it would be fun for me...
    Paradise Tennant: we were thinking of scooting over and listening to a bit of max kleene
    Paradise Tennant: he is a canadian folk singer
    Calvino Rabeni: (Why Not)?
    --BELL--
    Lucinda Lavender: my streaming is enabled
    Lucinda Lavender: sure then
    Paradise Tennant: ok then I will tp you two one sec
    Lucinda Lavender: can you lead the way Paradise
    Lucinda Lavender: hey ho spaghettio...

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