2010.06.06 13:00 - Virtual killing

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, filling in for Maxine. Comments will be added later.


    Liza Deischer: hey Yaku

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi liza

    Liza Deischer: there is another box of yours hanging in the air :)

    Liza Deischer: hi Wol

    Wol Euler: hello liza, yaku

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol

    Yakuzza Lethecus: we have a nice thunderstorm around here

    Wol Euler: there was some thunder and rain here too earlier

    Liza Deischer: haven't had much around here I'm afraid

    Liza Deischer: would have liked some more rain


    Liza Deischer: We managed to get through the first 15 minutes :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: what else is new on this Sunday?

    Liza Deischer: no news?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, already done with my gaming evening

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    Wol Euler: which game is that?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, battlefield bad company 2

    Wol Euler: ah yes, you mentioned that before

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a few ppl i play with for years and we play on sunday and thursdays

    Yakuzza Lethecus: also during the week sometimes

    Yakuzza Lethecus: but those are the fixed dates when more ppl are joining us

    Yakuzza Lethecus: that game is relativly new

    Yakuzza Lethecus: nobody wants to play the old strategiegame we all started with anymore :P

    Yakuzza Lethecus: ur done with ur dragonage wol ?

    Wol Euler: well, I haven't played it in ages (until this weekend, when I got in a few hours)

    Wol Euler: it's funny, I feel I can drop into SL for a half hour or so, but for DA I think I need a solid block of time to settle into the gameplay

    Wol Euler: so I don't play

    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods

    Wol Euler: also, the relentless killing is getting me down :)

    Wol Euler: hello bert

    Liza Deischer: hi Bert

    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats propably the head that still is primed harder in it's sensefull ethical beliefs which contradicts the addicive excitement of the virtual killing :P

    Bertram Jacobus: hy everybody ...

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert :)

    Wol Euler: heheheh

    Wol Euler: yeah, virtual killing, hmmmm

    Wol Euler: I do find myself in all encounters looking for a compromise non-violent solution :)

    Liza Deischer: I wonder how virtual virtual killing is

    Wol Euler: brb, rl intruding

    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, it's just a game, if you play violent videogames you don't think of those things as killing

    Liza Deischer: maybe I should say I wonder how that works out on subtle levels

    Yakuzza Lethecus: still, there are ppl with problems towards games as well as there are propably ppl who can't handle their real life together with their secondlife obligations

    Wol Euler: back, and yes :)

    Liza Deischer: true

    Liza Deischer: but there is addiction and killing

    Wol Euler: it upsets me as much as unnecessarily killing an insect in RL does, put it htat way

    Liza Deischer: never saw that kind of killing as killing, but start to feel different about it

    Bertram Jacobus: hi bleu

    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, i put it in that way i don't mind killing a few friends in a virtual tank with my virtual mine


    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am very sorry if i drag the flowerpot in the garden and kill many ants

    Liza Deischer: wel I think me being a Buddhist has changed my attitude

    Liza Deischer: he Bleu

    Yakuzza Lethecus: which have their nest below that pot

    Wol Euler: hello bleu

    Bleu Oleander: hi all

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu

    Bertram Jacobus: hy fael

    Wol Euler: hello runningfael

    Liza Deischer: to me it is actually more about inprint then about the killing itself

    Bleu Oleander: hi fael

    Liza Deischer: hi Fael

    Fael Innovia: Hello :)

    Bertram Jacobus: hy paradise

    Fael Innovia: so, was there a talk going on?

    Fael Innovia: Hi Paradise :)

    Liza Deischer: hi Paradise

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi paradise

    Wol Euler: hello paradise

    Bertram Jacobus: yes fael - they spoke about virtual killing

    Wol Euler: we'd been talking about killing in games

    Paradise Tennant: hiya fael, liza , yakuzza wol .. bertram blue gtsy :))

    Wol Euler: I'd started by saying htat I found it unpleasant

    Bleu Oleander: hi Paradise

    Liza Deischer: more loose comments actually :)

    Bertram Jacobus: what is gtsy paradise plz ? :-)

    Paradise Tennant: good to see you :)

    Bertram Jacobus: whao - that is nice, kind - ty paradise (!) :-)

    Paradise Tennant: yvw :)

    Wol Euler smiles.

    Paradise Tennant: killing in games is the topic ?

    Fael Innovia: I've definitely done virtual killing a lot myself in the past.

    Bleu Oleander: a bit hostile for me

    Wol Euler: I have to admit htat I was surprised at being upset by it :)

    Fael Innovia: the majority of computer games are like that.

    Fael Innovia: in one way or another

    Bleu Oleander: I wonder how the people who do it for real feel

    Bleu Oleander: from their computers

    Fael Innovia: It tells me that many people are feeling they need an outlet for their aggression that is acceptable.

    Paradise Tennant: i guess it depends on whether or not you believe that thoughts and actions have consequences .. my theory .. every thought every action some how changes you .. so best plan is to be careful with it .. if you do not believe that .. then it is a different story :)

    Wol Euler: the drone pilots killing people 8000 miles away? yes, I wonder about htem too

    Bleu Oleander: yes

    Liza Deischer: right Paradise

    Wol Euler: I imagine them with a cup of coffee in one hand and the button that causes a car to explode and burn in the other

    Bleu Oleander: how is that different from computer games to them

    Liza Deischer: it is more about the thoughts and emotions that come with it

    Yakuzza Lethecus: or that video on wikileaks lately

    Wol Euler: I would hope that it is, I'd hope that they take some moment of hesitation

    Yakuzza Lethecus: where that apache helikopter shot journalist and they had fun

    Yakuzza Lethecus: idenified cameras as ak47

    Fael Innovia: I would think there is a difference. With a computer game, there is no presence of people to be felt. but for remote controlled drones, there's bound to be one.

    Liza Deischer: soon wars are fought on own ground, everything being remote

    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...687427,00.html

    Fael Innovia: the army against army kind of war is about to be left in history.

    Liza Deischer: the more distance we have the more easy it is to do things that we actually shouldn't

    Wol Euler nods

    Liza Deischer: also goes for the care of environment

    Fael Innovia: that is true

    Bertram Jacobus: sry - i'll leave again - have a nice nite plz and cu soon again - ty - all beings be happy plz

    Wol Euler: bye bert, take care

    Fael Innovia: good night Bert :)

    Bleu Oleander: bye Bert

    Liza Deischer: bye Bert

    Paradise Tennant: nite bert :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: night bert

    Bertram Jacobus: ty all again for your kindness

    Liza Deischer: or the way we look at problems in Africa, that we also sustain

    Liza Deischer: make it possible to sustain

    Wol Euler nods

    Liza Deischer: it is like we cut of our emotions more and more

    Wol Euler: by subsidising our own agriculture rather than buying their crops, for example

    Liza Deischer: yes


    Paradise Tennant: i guess the answer is as always right action and aspiration :)

    Liza Deischer: but I did buy some new clothes in sl today :)

    Wol Euler: ah!

    Fael Innovia: the more people get connected around the world, the less distant they and their problems will be.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods fael

    Fael Innovia: even if the distance is thousands of miles...

    Fael Innovia: I'd feel I want to help a friend in considerable distress if I can, somehow.

    Wol Euler nods.

    Paradise Tennant: nods yes :)

    Fael Innovia: even if I only knew them through SL

    Liza Deischer: me too

    Paradise Tennant: do you think it is any different knowing people in sl versus rl after a while I find it is pretty much exactly the same :)

    Liza Deischer: but the sad thing is that most of then can afford a computer, house, food

    Liza Deischer: so we only get confronted with people in the same situation as we are

    Wol Euler: absolutely the same, paradise.

    Fael Innovia: I can't say there is much difference... well other than that I'm actually closer to people through SL than in RL on average :)

    Paradise Tennant: do you really find that fael .. closer ?

    Fael Innovia: Yes, closer relationships

    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods, i have more regular contact with many ppl through sl then in real life often

    Yakuzza Lethecus: especially when friends moved

    Paradise Tennant: hmm I still like just lyming with rl friends ..cooking dinner ..going for walks ... :)

    Liza Deischer: I have been wondering about that when somebody told me the same thing not being long on sl myself

    Paradise Tennant: nods

    Fael Innovia: but... of course, it has an effect that I've been very much a hermit in RL :)

    Wol Euler: sure, P, it need not be exclusive. Life is not eihter/or unless we make it so

    Fael Innovia: starting to use SL has been changing that though.

    Paradise Tennant: ahh do you think that is because you are more socially engaged in sl ?

    Fael Innovia: yes, that would be the reason

    Liza Deischer: I guess it is also part of only seeing the nice parts of people

    Bleu Oleander: I think so

    Paradise Tennant: lol yes liza :)

    Wol Euler: well ... there is intolerance and rudeness and bigotry here too

    Wol Euler: less of it than in RL, perhaps.

    Bleu Oleander: that's true

    Liza Deischer: yes, but nobody picking his nose :)

    Liza Deischer: or burping

    Wol Euler: heheh

    Bleu Oleander: I think rl has more layers of knowing than sl

    Fael Innovia burps.

    Liza Deischer: or leaving his clothes on the floor

    Wol Euler: videophones will end all that

    Fael Innovia giggles.

    Liza Deischer: probably Wol

    Fael Innovia: I think SL, with the separation it has with RL by default, does encourage more honesty. People dare to act like they want to.

    Fael Innovia: those who want to help, dare to do so

    Bleu Oleander: like they want to not necessarily like they are maybe?

    Fael Innovia: how do you mean?

    Wol Euler: somebody clever whose name escapes me said "the Internet is like alcohol, it makes you more like how you would have been anyway."

    Wol Euler: if you want to be alone, it can make you really alone. If you want to connect, it enables that too

    Liza Deischer: but alcohol has a ...eh......side-effect :)

    Bleu Oleander: so does the internet

    Liza Deischer: that is what I meant actually :)

    Bleu Oleander: :)

    Liza Deischer: though it doesn't need to be a problem

    Liza Deischer drinking a beer behind the computer :)

    Fael Innovia smiles.

    Bleu Oleander: the best of both worlds :)

    Liza Deischer: :)

    Wol Euler is drinking tea and listening to live music from another location in SL via an internet radio stream :)


    Fael Innovia is sitting in silence. (well, other than mumbling what I'm typing)

    Liza Deischer: some people speak while typing :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Fael Innovia: I don't tend to do it except in SL :)

    Paradise Tennant: hiya mick gtsy ! been a long time :)

    Fael Innovia: Hi mick :)

    Bleu Oleander: gtg bfn :)

    Liza Deischer: hi Mick

    Fael Innovia: have fun Bleu :)

    Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care

    Mickorod Renard: hi

    Wol Euler: hello mick

    Wol Euler: changing of hte guard

    Mickorod Renard: bye bleu

    Liza Deischer: bye Bleu (for the record I'm afraid)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mick

    Mickorod Renard: Hi paradise

    Mickorod Renard: hi Yaku

    Mickorod Renard: are u keeping well Para?

    Wol Euler: yes, fael, I catch myself doing htat too sometimes :)

    Paradise Tennant: very well ..thank you :) and you :) ?

    Wol Euler: when I say "/me laughs" it's almost always because my typist DID laugh

    Mickorod Renard: yes, I am feeling great thanks

    Wol Euler: the people downstairs must wonder what the hell I'm doing up here

    Liza Deischer: I have that too

    Liza Deischer: but no people downstairs :)

    Mickorod Renard: all the ones below me are dead

    Paradise Tennant: hmm sounds kind of spooky mick .. :)

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    Liza Deischer: I see I have visitors, that doesn't know what they want apparantly

    Liza Deischer: bye all :)

    Fael Innovia: have fun Liza :)

    Mickorod Renard: bye Lisza

    Paradise Tennant: take care liza :)

    Mickorod Renard: Liza

    Wol Euler: bye liza, take care

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye liza

    Fael Innovia: and yes, when I use the /me giggles thing, it sometimes means I actually did that. Most often it only means that I would've if I didn't stop myself.

    Mickorod Renard: I live next to a 1000 year old church,,I sus that some may have been burried under me at some time

    Paradise Tennant: nods smiles :) likely very old dead peeps :) or from a long time ago :)

    Mickorod Renard: I know some in my household must think i am cracking up sometimes cos I am in tears with laughter when on here

    Wol Euler smiles.

    Fael Innovia: but when I type /me smiles, it always means I'm smiling :)

    Wol Euler nods.

    Fael Innovia: well, I don't tend to meep in RL though :)

    Fael Innovia: meep meep! :)

    Wol Euler laughs.

    Paradise Tennant: lol

    Paradise Tennant: there are some very funny things that happen in sl sometimes impossible in rl but hilarious ..

    Fael Innovia: oh, I found someone yesterday who doesn't get tired meeping with me :)

    Wol Euler: meep?

    Fael Innovia: nothing but meep for a few minutes :)


    Paradise Tennant: sometimes one of my friends and I in rl if we are cranky will just growl .. just growl .. and growl .. and then eventually we start laughing .. works brillantly you vent the crumpiness but without saying anything that can upset the other person or put a strain on communication :)

    Mickorod Renard: I dont think I can do nova scotia..the flight makes it so ,,decadent,,for me anyway,,as I have no other reason for going other than just the retreat,,ie no family to see

    Wol Euler nods sadly

    Paradise Tennant: sorry to hear that mick

    Wol Euler: so take the Chunnel train to the Stuttgart retreat

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Fael Innovia: hmm...

    Fael Innovia checks t he dates again

    Wol Euler: october 10 to 16

    Mickorod Renard: well,,I may do that if there's room,,but I dont want to influence the language used

    Paradise Tennant: is it to be in german ?

    Wol Euler: no

    Fael Innovia: was october 9th month?

    Wol Euler: english

    Wol Euler: tenth, if I remember rightly

    Mickorod Renard: ohh,,is english already decided?

    Wol Euler: it was always english, mick :)

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    Wol Euler: would only have been in German if nobody but Bert and Lia and I were attending

    Fael Innovia: Well, I'd think any language is fine :)

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Wol Euler: for the silent day, sure :)

    Mickorod Renard: I thought that it may be in German and that I may spoil that for you

    Fael Innovia: as long as there's someone to speak it with

    Wol Euler: Pema and Eos will be there too

    Mickorod Renard: cool

    Fael Innovia: I might barely afford it.

    Fael Innovia: but...

    Fael Innovia: that would be it for what little savings I have

    Wol Euler nods.

    Fael Innovia: Ah, I'm called elsewhere.

    Mickorod Renard: I seem to notice just recently,,maybe cos of the season,,maybe cos i am now living somewhere very rich in nature,,that it is so rich in nature

    Fael Innovia: Have fun everyone :)

    Mickorod Renard: bye Fael

    Wol Euler: bye fael, enjoy the evening

    Paradise Tennant: take care fael

    Mickorod Renard: it must also be down to feeling very relaxed in life too

    Wol Euler nods.

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Mickorod Renard: but even all the birds and animals seem to be so friendly too

    Mickorod Renard: I almost felt clostrophobic today,,as if I had merged with it and couldnt breath

    Wol Euler: the hard times are over :)

    Wol Euler: spring is intense, yes, so much happens so fast

    Paradise Tennant: nods

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    Paradise Tennant: an opening kind of feeling to it :)

    Mickorod Renard: there was a certain concern that my garden is too much for me to manage,,and that its running away with itself

    Mickorod Renard: I am loosing plants behind plants now

    Wol Euler: the other family members couldn'T help?

    Mickorod Renard: well,,they just buy more plants,,I keep sayin stop,,and just tend to what we have

    Mickorod Renard: they add to the problem

    Paradise Tennant: smiles ahh yes .. has had uncontrolled moments in nurseries lol get then a sl garden

    Wol Euler: heheh

    Mickorod Renard: I have an sl garden

    Mickorod Renard: much easier

    Paradise Tennant: I have one I love .. very fun ! you can change it dramatically in an afternoon !

    Mickorod Renard: yes?,,he he


    Mickorod Renard: I have cut back on my sl garden cos it ran away with my prims

    Mickorod Renard: oops

    Paradise Tennant: it tends too .. doesn't it .. mine is full ..cannot rez a hair pin :)

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Wol Euler: :)

    Mickorod Renard: I changed lots of plants for low prim,,but still on the limit

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Paradise Tennant: nice thing about it ..is that you can just clear it all away in a couple of mintues ..sit in the empty space and dream :)....

    Wol Euler: and then replant instantly if you change your mind

    Paradise Tennant: yes

    Paradise Tennant: wish I could do that with my home .. put it all in inventory and sit in the empty rooms for a while

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,without feeling of guilt for killing plants

    Paradise Tennant: rethink what you need to have ...

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Paradise Tennant: the books ..the music .. the plants .. the dog ... ! .... not in that order :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Mickorod Renard: what sort of dog was it you have Paradise, i have forgotten?

    Paradise Tennant: bearded collie poodle mix :)

    Mickorod Renard: ahhhh yes

    Mickorod Renard: hard to imagine

    Mickorod Renard: thanks

    Mickorod Renard: brb


    Paradise Tennant: nice to sit in the quiet here :) sometimes on thursday nights if no one shows I quite enjoy just sitting still and listening to the birds :)

    Wol Euler nods

    Mickorod Renard: nice to relax,,I have had a week off but am back to work tommorow

    Wol Euler nods

    Paradise Tennant: sigh

    Wol Euler: ah well, can't be helped.

    Paradise Tennant: always seems to go fast the time away from work

    Wol Euler: someone has to keep the economy ticking ov3r

    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes :)

    Paradise Tennant: how has your practise been going mick ?

    Mickorod Renard: I feel a bit ..dunno,,aware that perhaps its easy to feel good when life is well,,but when times are dificult its very hard to feel positive

    Paradise Tennant: nods

    Wol Euler nods

    Paradise Tennant: listens

    Wol Euler: very true

    Mickorod Renard: I am fortunate,,at the moment,,but know that times can be tough,,I would like to think I am stronger now,,emotionaly than ever,,yet fear for others and that I may become compassionately complacent

    Paradise Tennant: always think when things are great .. well this is enjoyable but it will pass and when things are dark .. well this is the pits but it will pass .. seems passing is the constant ..and maybe the balance ..

    Paradise Tennant: complacent ?

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,i think sometimes of the i ching,,only in that it reminds me that one has ups and downs,,and that things to pass

    Paradise Tennant: oooooooo thank you very much for the sticks ! pila is sending me a set .. that was very kind of you :)!!!!!!

    Mickorod Renard: complacent,,yes ,,become comfortable in my self and become think skined

    Mickorod Renard: wow,,I thought he was waiting till he had everything

    Paradise Tennant: lol that was a freudian .. slip .. "think skined"

    Mickorod Renard: and,,it was my pleasure

    Paradise Tennant: no he mentioned it :)

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Paradise Tennant: maybe being comfortable isn't the most desirable ..

    Mickorod Renard: I have some for the euro gang

    Paradise Tennant: sometimes when we are stretched .. it is really good for us..

    Paradise Tennant: use to think if I did not have some moments where I was positively scared and sure I would fail .. that I was wasting my time . .in the wrong spot ..

    Paradise Tennant: he says they are beautiful :) !

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,its interesting,,even from wok class,,its somewhat easier to relate to peoples dificulties when one has experienced issues

    Paradise Tennant: nods listens

    Mickorod Renard: well..I could have spent more time on them,,but i felt I needed to just get some out

    Mickorod Renard: but I would be happy to replace any that may be imperfect at a later date

    Mickorod Renard: initially they were time consuming


    Mickorod Renard: as each has 4 sides

    Mickorod Renard: oops

    Paradise Tennant: canadian indian artists always put a mistake in every piece of work . on the assumption that .. only the great maker is perfect .. :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Mickorod Renard: in that case mine are proberbly a bit rough

    Mickorod Renard: but one day I may get better

    Wol Euler: my dears, I must go, it's midnight and I work tomorrow.

    Paradise Tennant: okies big wave .. from toronto wol :)

    Mickorod Renard: ok,,nite nite Wol

    Wol Euler: thanks for a great conversation

    Paradise Tennant: have a good week :)

    Mickorod Renard: take care

    Wol Euler: goodnight, take care

    Paradise Tennant: it is late where you are too right mick

    Mickorod Renard: only 11pm

    Paradise Tennant: lol

    Mickorod Renard: but midnight for wol

    Paradise Tennant: late being a relative term

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Mickorod Renard: true,,I dont sleep much

    Paradise Tennant: hmm

    Paradise Tennant: you should try boiling some astragulus and schzandra .. make an infusion .. or tea put it in the fridge and drink a glass before bed ..

    Mickorod Renard: I am going outside soon with my phone

    Paradise Tennant: you will sleep like a baby

    Paradise Tennant: smiles

    Paradise Tennant: ok :)

    Mickorod Renard: I sort of dont like sleeping

    Paradise Tennant: hmm

    Paradise Tennant: blinks

    Paradise Tennant: maybe because you do not sleep deeply ?

    Mickorod Renard: well,,re the phone,,I have downloaded a star chart onto it

    Paradise Tennant: ahh ?

    Mickorod Renard: so i can standd there and spin around and identify everything in the sky

    Paradise Tennant: wow

    Paradise Tennant: where did you get the download

    Paradise Tennant: you have a black berry or iphone ?

    Mickorod Renard: well,,I have a sort of i phone,,but its a google phone

    Paradise Tennant: kk

    Mickorod Renard: g phone

    Mickorod Renard: and google have a download for like google earth but for google sky

    Paradise Tennant: wow

    Paradise Tennant: will look for it

    Paradise Tennant: loves google earth

    Paradise Tennant: sometimes at the office

    Mickorod Renard: yea

    Paradise Tennant: needing a shiny moment .. will google tahiti :) or .. patagonia :)))

    Qt Core: hi Mick, Paradise

    Mickorod Renard: I have a sky chart on pc but its hard to cart outside,,and it doesnt alighn when rotated

    Paradise Tennant: hi QT gtsy :)

    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Qt

    Paradise Tennant: long time :)

    Mickorod Renard: your up late tonite?

    Qt Core: just midnight... i'm not anymore used to call it lately

    Mickorod Renard: summer evenings are easier to stay up late in

    Qt Core: that is if you stay outside and have fun

    Mickorod Renard: when I lived on the mediteranean coast even the kids didnt hit the bed till late

    Paradise Tennant: smiles well I am afraid I have to scoot ....rl beckons ... a real pleasure to see you two again :)

    Paradise Tennant: big wave from toronto ..

    Paradise Tennant: namaste !

    Mickorod Renard: yea,,ty,,nice to see you too paradise

    Qt Core: have fun Paradise, bye

    Mickorod Renard: be well

    Paradise Tennant: nods be well you two :) bfn ...

    Mickorod Renard: ciao

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Qt Core: ;-)

    Mickorod Renard: are you into the night sky Qt?

    Mickorod Renard: like star gazing?

    Qt Core: i ahould as an amateur astronomer but i'm more interested in astrophisics than stargazing

    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,nice

    Qt Core: for stargazing i count on the hubble. not a telescope of my own ;-)

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,good idea

    Mickorod Renard: i used one based at bristol university,,you could dial in and request a position


    Mickorod Renard: tonite i am testing a phone download

    Qt Core: it was in the city ? no problem with light pollution ?

    Mickorod Renard: I dont know now how they did it,,but they would send the imagary down the internet

    Mickorod Renard: but today i downloaded google sky into my i phone

    Qt Core: a remote telescope

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    Qt Core: nice to have when stargazing if you don't remember what you want tos ee is

    Mickorod Renard: tonite i should be able to open my phone and see the stars and so forth in relation to where i point my phone

    Qt Core: has it a "red light" or night mode not to ruin your eyes adaptation to the dark

    Mickorod Renard: this is an issue,,i will find out very soon..it is on a black screen

    Qt Core: oh, i think a friend of mine showed it to me,.. the only seconds i thought about buying a iphone ;-)

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Mickorod Renard: I am sure the novelty will disapear after a night or two

    Qt Core: well, if you use it it won't

    Mickorod Renard: grin

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Lucinder

    Qt Core: i'm almost thinking about changing my cellphone, i have to resist my tech delirium as i'm a scarce cell user so most will be wasted

    Qt Core: hi lucinda

    Mickorod Renard: well,,this is true,,but i have become quite reliant on my phone now,,using it for navigation and emails also camera,,

    Mickorod Renard: I dont make many calls

    Qt Core: neither i, some years i have to worry about credit going past its "due date" of 13 months!

    Mickorod Renard: yes, I was a higher consumer some time ago,,but now they give me a very good deal,,and i always have lots of un used credit left over

    Qt Core: i have a deal still from before the euro age!

    Mickorod Renard: it gives me unlimited internet coverage

    Mickorod Renard: yikes

    Mickorod Renard: time to do some research Qt

    Qt Core: at the time was quite good, and even now it is not much pricier than newr offer

    Mickorod Renard: ohh,,thats not so bad then

    Mickorod Renard: qt,,I must leave you and get some things sorted before I get to bed

    Qt Core: i'm thinking about a new phone as i discovered that the operator i want to switch to has only umts/wcdma service no gsm anymore

    Qt Core: ok, np

    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,thats a pity Qt,,I thought they were all getting into gsm

    Qt Core: too old for those new operators (but they do roaming on it if no umts is present)

    Mickorod Renard: ahh ok

    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I am leaving,,have a good night Qt

    Qt Core: ty, you too

    Mickorod Renard: bye for now

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