2010.06.07 07:00 - Playing in the Underworld

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.



    Looking for Persephone

    Eliza in a kimono.jpg

    Eden Haiku: Good morning Eliza!

    Eliza Madrigal: Good Morning Eden :))

    Eliza Madrigal: I love when you wear your bright pink hair

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi you two

    Eden Haiku: Thanks. Would you know Eliza, how to download a snapshot from inventory to hard disk?

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)

    Eden Haiku: Hello Yakuzza;)

    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, you know, someone did tell me how to do that a long time ago... wonder if I can remember...

    Eden Haiku: I took this nice snapshot of you in your wonderful kimono but it is in my inventory...

    Eden Haiku: Have been reading Torley's ... yes, best way is to take another one... Ya:)))

    Eliza Madrigal: haha

    Eliza Madrigal: I was looking at the options, but seems easier to go the other way...

    Yakuzza Lethecus: just open the screenshot

    Yakuzza Lethecus: file

    Yakuzza Lethecus: save texture as

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope its still the same in the new viewer

    Eden Haiku: Sorry. I was busy taking new snapshots....I'm not too good with cam movements ;)))

    Yakuzza Lethecus: storm :)

    Eden Haiku: Good morning Storm!

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm!

    Storm Nordwind: Good morning all

    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for whatever you returned to me this morning, haha

    Eliza Madrigal: I thought I took everything down :)

    Storm Nordwind chuckles

    Eden Haiku: Oh and yes, I have meant to ask you Storm, it seems I have poppies underground here. Are they still there?

    Storm Nordwind can be ruthless

    Eliza Madrigal: ruthless can be quite useful :)

    Storm Nordwind: Yes they're all underground here

    Eden Haiku: I tried to take them but could not go in the underworld.

    Storm Nordwind: Two lots Eden

    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Eden Haiku: How do I reach under the fountain please?

    Storm Nordwind: You need to disable camera constraints to do that Eden

    Eliza Madrigal looks for Persephone

    Storm Nordwind: Let me show you

    Eden Haiku: I don't want leaving things behind me like that ;)

    Eden Haiku: Ah ok

    Storm Nordwind: Do you see an "Advanced" menu as the top right pull-down menu on your viewer?

    Eliza Madrigal: a trail of flowers behind Eden...

    Eden Haiku: yes

    Storm Nordwind: Open that and look about 3/4 of the way down

    Eden Haiku: I disabled camera constraints...

    Storm Nordwind: Oh - then you should not have a problem if there is an X next to that

    Eden Haiku: I just did as you said so...

    Storm Nordwind: Focus on part of the building here, then swing your camera underneath the ground

    Eden Haiku: Swing would be...alt +s?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: last time i checked eden had a lot of flowers below the circle

    Storm Nordwind: Alt plus ctrl on a PC

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!

    Eliza Madrigal: Cute... yes lots of poppies :)))

    Eliza Madrigal: growing out of thin air

    Eliza Madrigal: Wow... this is neat

    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i still dont know why i rezz boxes

    Eden Haiku: It seems I can't crack the surface, quite a metaphor...:)

    Storm Nordwind: Oh dear. Do you want me to return them?

    Eliza Madrigal: maybe I'll do this in all the sessions... its like a surrealist painting

    Eden Haiku: Oh I did! Amazing!!! To look at things from under,

    Eliza Madrigal: :)))

    Storm Nordwind: Hooray!

    Eden Haiku: Like being Australian!

    Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha

    Storm Nordwind laughs

    Yakuzza Lethecus: we need pab catacombs

    Eliza Madrigal: oh my

    Eden Haiku: But then, do I need to take my avatar in the underworld in order to take the poppies?

    Storm Nordwind: How do you know we don't already have them Yak? ;)




    Storm Nordwind: No Eden, just right click and take

    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i was wondering why cellars don't seem popular in sl

    Eden Haiku: It worked, thanks so much Storm. It seems there is something else, I will jump in again ;)

    Storm Nordwind: Cellars aren't popular because most areas only have 4 metres terraforming limit

    Eden Haiku: No, what is under is the tail of Eliza's kimono. It looks  like a beautiful exotic bird!

    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe... a nice image

    Eliza Madrigal: This is a picture of the groundlessness of things...

    Eden Haiku: Someone is standing in midair, Gaya I would think...or Adams...

    Eden Haiku: Hi Gaya!

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya :))

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)

    Storm Nordwind: Good afternoon Gaya

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bleu :)

    Eliza Madrigal: We were playing in the underworld

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bleu :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu

    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Bleu

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi gaya

    Eden Haiku: Yes, very interesting groundless viewpoint. Thank you Storm. Will I need to enable camera constraints now or is it ok to leave it like that?

    Eden Haiku: Good morning Bleu:))

    Bleu Oleander: hi Eden :)

    Storm Nordwind: Completely up to you Eden. It removes a little bit of the 'realism' to leave them disabled. But builders need it disabled all the time.

    Eliza Madrigal: Now I know how you retrieved all those things for me months ago, Storm. Hah. I wonder if there is still a cello under Mugungwa

    Eden Haiku: Ah, ok. Maybe I will become a builder, it seems very practical this way. I will peek under every stone on my way...

    Eliza Madrigal: good for easter egg hunts

    Storm Nordwind chuckles

    Eden Haiku: Yeah!

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)


    Between these two smiles, stretches a path of silence that we then try to describe

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eden Haiku: :) Delicious silence isn't it?

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: mmm

    Eliza Madrigal: reminds me of something I read a few days ago... about silence ... not the same as quiet... not something that one can described

    Eliza Madrigal: and something that can occur amidst all kinds of noise, too

    Gaya Ethaniel: Potent?

    Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes... and maybe occur is not the right word

    Eden Haiku: Silence can be shared. Yes potent seems a good word for it Gaya,

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Bleu Oleander: hi Zen

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zen :)

    Storm Nordwind: Hi Zen

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen

    Zen Arado: Hi All

    Eden Haiku: Sometimes silence might carve some space for someone to say something important.

    Storm Nordwind: It has a latent energy too, to enable them to say it

    Eden Haiku: Reading yesterday night's log, I delighted in what Cosmicflower shared.




    Eden Haiku: http://bit.ly/cKoCzt . Link to the log I was talking about.

    Storm Nordwind: It's rather difficult to navigate an uncommented log I often find

    Eliza Madrigal: yes, a very long log, this one. Which part jumped out, Eden?

    Eden Haiku: It is a very long one, I read it in bed as I woke up at dawn. She is talking about leading ghosts to the light, it felt natural as I was in a still hypnagogic state I guess...

    Eden Haiku: Looking for the quote...

    Eliza Madrigal smiles... silence, ghosts, and underworlds this morning...

    Eden Haiku: :)

    Eden Haiku: Isn't it in Finland they cover corpses with flowers before they send them to the ocean in a boat?

    Eden Haiku: Saw that in " Dead Man"a movie by Jim Jarmush. Black and white. Great movie.

    Zen Arado: Cosmicflower is from Finland

    Eliza Madrigal: :) Ophelia...

    Zen Arado: Preraphaelites

    Eden Haiku: Yes, I know. Finnish people seem to have a worldview with less constraints than ours...

    Eden Haiku: Going back to the topic of views and frameworks Gaya, any new thoughts about that?

    Gaya Ethaniel fondly remembers walking past the spot where Millais is thought of painted 'Ophelia', background :)



    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh, nice

    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I have left that for now Eden. I'm sure I will babble on again when something else comes along. How about you?

    Eden Haiku:

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Sometimes when meeting sisters and brothers

     Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes over 3 hours (could that be right?) 


    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel like acrossing time wall

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then time flies 

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: goes very fast

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: do not feel it`s been already for a while

    Calvino Rabeni: This one did go fast

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: going through timewall by going and coming back

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, I thought so ;)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Once when I helped those "ghosts"

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I went over timewall

    Eden Haiku: And then she narrates the whole experience. She is very grounded at the same time, milking her baby as she shares ;)

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Storm Nordwind: It is a very very shamanic description. Not surprising for a culture once steeped in shamanism.

    Eden Haiku: Ys Gaya, seeing your line just now. I have been thinking about it and it seems very difficult to dissociate from views and frameworks. Maybe just knowing we have some is a big step?

    Eden Haiku: Yes Storm, very shamanic. I agree.

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, didn't know that of Finland... would that qualify as a kind of underground framework? cultures do tend to have them...

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi jan, long time no see you :)

    Eden Haiku: Certainly an underground framework Eliza.

    Jan Qualia: Hi all

    Bleu Oleander: hi Jan

    Eden Haiku: Hello Jan, nice to see you again!

    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I agree Eden. I guess meditation helps to see them more clearly. Probably seeing alone goes a long way.





    Cultural views

    Gaya Ethaniel: Have you noticed some of views Eden?

    Gaya Ethaniel: That you weren't aware of in each context.

    Eden Haiku: Noticed my views are influenced by the context yes.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Please say more? :)

    Eden Haiku: I seem to be a different person in Montreal, in India, in France, in the countryside.

    Zen Arado: oh?

    Eliza Madrigal: yes how interesting :)

    Eden Haiku: I am going to move in the countryside for three months next week, and I do that move every year, so I'm starting to realize the shifting of views..

    Zen Arado: I am a different person with different people

    Bleu Oleander: maybe different cultures highlight different aspects of your views Eden

    Zen Arado: but same person in different places

    Eden Haiku: Also, yes. Tell us more Zen?

    Zen Arado: well - we change personalities depending on who is listening to us don't we?

    Zen Arado: maybe we shouldn't

    Zen Arado: like talking down to children

    Storm Nordwind: Skillful means Zen?

    Eden Haiku: Yes Bleu, it does. I always do excellent writing when I live in France, all these great French writers rub on me it seems :)

    Zen Arado: ah yes that too Strom

    Eliza Madrigal: it often depends on capacities...

    Zen Arado: yes - you can't have an intelligent conversation with a baby

    Eden Haiku: I even change my accent when I am in France. To the point of being ridiculous. It is automatic :)

    Zen Arado: but thatmakes you more understandable Eden?

    Eden Haiku: Maybe if we would talk intelligently to babies we could change the world!

    Eliza Madrigal noticed a few minutes ago, different kinds of silences... comparing the silence 'here' and an uncomfortable silence with someone earlier today...

    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose that speaks to views, in a way, but also capacities...

    Zen Arado: quality silence?

    Eden Haiku: At least, I blend more and I avoid conversations about maple sugar and our wonderful nature!

    Eden Haiku: Yes, Eliza, tell us more?

    Eliza Madrigal: maybe there is a taste for it, yes Zen...

    Eliza Madrigal: haha, avoid wonderful nature conversations Eden??

    Eden Haiku: Quality silence and uncomfortable silence, yes, very different.

    Zen Arado: friends are people we don't have to change too much to talk to?

    Eliza Madrigal: No... some friends can handle only parts of our personalities and we theirs

    Zen Arado: on same wavelength

    Eden Haiku: Yes, well you know about the Rockies which are some 4000 miles from where I live...:))

    Eliza Madrigal: and then there are friends that being with is like running free :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Eden Haiku: Running free, don't we like this kind of friends!

    Storm Nordwind thinks about the 102°F temperatures forecast for around the Rockies today...

    Eliza Madrigal: Ack!

    Bleu Oleander: 107 here i think

    Eden Haiku: Really! Amazing Storm, you had snow not so long ago.

    Eliza Madrigal: if you're running free in that, it better be through sprinklers

    Storm Nordwind: (39°C for our non-US friends ;)

    Bleu Oleander: ha!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

    Eden Haiku: Is it a dry climate like Arizona, in Colorado?

    Storm Nordwind: Usually very dry indeed

    Storm Nordwind: But not today with > 90% humidity this morning. No one remembers anything like it!

    Eden Haiku: Nice ;) Montreal gets very humid during the Summer sometimes, I dislike that.

    Bleu Oleander: wow .... like NYC

    Storm Nordwind: Usually < 20%

    Bleu Oleander: that's very unusual for Colorado?

    Eden Haiku: Here it is perfect this morning: sunny and dry.

    Eliza Madrigal: yes, quite humid here, most of the time... and inching up temp wise every day... love the breezes though

    Eden Haiku: Do you live close to the ocean Eliza?

    Eliza Madrigal: there are about 3 hrs during the Summer days, when going to the mailbox seems a bit oppressive... soooo hot




    There is a "rapid exodus" of Gaya, Jan,Yakuzza, Storm and Bleu...

    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day everyone :)

    Zen Arado: bye Gaya

    Eden Haiku: Bye Gaya, have a good day too!

    Bleu Oleander: bye Gaya

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya and Jan

    Eden Haiku: Bye Jan!

    Eden Haiku: And Yaku.

    Zen Arado: think Jan got bored :)

    Eden Haiku: Yes, I'm afraid our weather reports bored Jan. I dig them ;)

    Eliza Madrigal: hehe

    Zen Arado: not that I am bored I would add

    Eliza Madrigal: I live, btw, not too far from the ocean... Traffic has become a bit of a bummer though...

    Zen Arado: I am about 10 M from the sea

    Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me - I have to go look at the new space for art exhibits

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Storm :)

    Zen Arado: bye Storm

    Storm Nordwind waves

    Bleu Oleander: me too :) bye all

    Zen Arado: bye Bleu

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu :)

    Zen Arado: rapid exodus

    Eden Haiku: Bye Storm

    Eliza Madrigal: no capacity for weather talk...


    Eliza, Zen and I remained in the pavilion, having a friendly chat. This part of the log I edited out as we shared on a personal level. Then, towards the end of the session, Lucinda showed up and we ended up talking about beaches...




    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :)

    Zen Arado: Hi Lucinda

    Lucinda Lavender: oops

    Eden Haiku: Hi Lucinda!

    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Zen, Eliza, Eden

    Eden Haiku: Good morning Lucinda, how are you?

    Lucinda Lavender: I am a little groggy

    Eliza Madrigal: stayed up late last night in the session we were talking about earlier?

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Lucinda Lavender: breathing tho

    Lucinda Lavender: yes?

    Lucinda Lavender: yes.

    Eliza Madrigal: Eden mentioned Cosmic's time wall... neat idea

    Lucinda Lavender: after singing a concert I have to wind down

    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh :))))

    Lucinda Lavender: yes

    Zen Arado: you are a singer?

    Lucinda Lavender: time wall...I was just reading about that

    Lucinda Lavender: in a chorus

    Zen Arado: ah ok

    Eliza Madrigal: anytime someone talks about singing in a concert I think of a 'singer's tea' recipe someone gave me... lemon, cayenne, maple syrup (the good stuff;-))

    Lucinda Lavender: yum...

    Lucinda Lavender: love hot and sour and sweet together

    Eden Haiku: Yum...

    Zen Arado: making me hungry....

    Lucinda Lavender: the throat...does too

    Lucinda Lavender: I will experiment with that recipe

    Eliza Madrigal: its great... really a (and excuse the ugly word) 'getting rid of mucus' recipe :))

    Lucinda Lavender: yes

    Eden Haiku: Tried that years ago, just recognized it.

    Lucinda Lavender: Eden looks very coral to day

    Eden Haiku: Coral and choral yes ;)

    Lucinda Lavender: :)

    Lucinda Lavender: ha

    Zen Arado: Jan was going to buy me a flat cap but they're 300 L

    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Lucinda Lavender: back in a minute...need coffee...

    Zen Arado: I would look like a proper Belfastman then

    Zen Arado: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: a flat cap? Is that like Pema's?

    Zen Arado: Belfast shipyard workers used to wear them

    Zen Arado: kept your hair clean :)

    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Zen Arado: Cal wears one sometimes

    Eden Haiku: A flat cap will make you look like a docker and less like a zen monk...

    Eliza Madrigal: hm... running through images of Cal's hats...

    Zen Arado: true - might not suit me

    Eden Haiku: Need to keep your hair clean in SL? Gush I never washed my hair here!

    Eliza Madrigal: You have a great SL barber, Zen... really does a meticulous job with your beard, etc

    Eden Haiku: Have you guys tried Tsunami Beach?

    Zen Arado: thank you :)

    Eliza Madrigal: is that how it turned pink, Eden? :))

    Zen Arado: :)

    Eden Haiku: A wonderful place where we can surf (and it is easy).

    Zen Arado: haven't tried that

    Eliza Madrigal: ooo sounds fun

    Lucinda Lavender: back..

    Eliza Madrigal: I won't be able to stay today unfortunately but I'd love to do that

    Eden Haiku: Maybe, yes, unwashed hair turns pink in SL hahha

    Eliza Madrigal: haven't worn my SL bikini in ages :)

    Zen Arado: better than greasy anyway :)

    Eliza Madrigal: hehee, yes

    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for the wonderful company today

    Zen Arado: I received a photo of myself and others on Bondi beach

    Lucinda Lavender: see you Eliza...

    Zen Arado: bye Eliza

    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now

    Eden Haiku: Yes, we can try that together Eliza! I have these very chic marine shorts I also want to wear...and it so much fun, like surfing in Real Life (which I never tried...) Maybe Zen and Lucinda would like to try it sometimes too. We could have a field trip!

    Zen Arado: sure

    Eden Haiku: Bye (((Eliza)))), take care!

    Zen Arado: thanks for asking

    Lucinda Lavender: sure

    Lucinda Lavender: sounds adventuresome!

    Eden Haiku: It is!

    Zen Arado: I just made contact with a man I shared a flat with in Sydney in 1961

    Lucinda Lavender: In RL?

    Zen Arado: yes

    Eden Haiku: Oh, did you surf then Zen, in Sydney?

    Lucinda Lavender: or 2L?

    Zen Arado: only body surfing but yes

    Lucinda Lavender: a suprise remeeting?

    Zen Arado: it was through a website

    Lucinda Lavender: ah

    Eden Haiku: Body surfing is fun, oh yes, Bondi beach is in Sydney! That was the default color on my first iMac!

    Zen Arado: he was trying to contact me for a long time




    Lucinda Lavender: much time had gone by then

    Eden Haiku: Wonderful! Are you going to meet Zen?

    Zen Arado: but I've lost photos I had from those days :(

    Zen Arado: don't know

    Eden Haiku: ;(

    Zen Arado: it's a long way to Melbourne where he lives now

    Eden Haiku: How did it feel to get in touch with someone from so long ago?

    Zen Arado: great

    Lucinda Lavender: nice:)

    Zen Arado: we got on so well at the time too

    Zen Arado: have to remember it was 48 years ago

    Lucinda Lavender: wow!

    Eden Haiku: Ah yes, some friendships are revived instantly!

    Lucinda Lavender: as if little time went by...

    Zen Arado: the other man we shared with died in 1987

    Eden Haiku: You were both very young men then!

    Zen Arado: only 18

    Zen Arado: will talk on Skype if he is willing

    Eden Haiku: Nice :)

    Lucinda Lavender: wonderful opportunity

    Eden Haiku: Yes ;)

    Zen Arado: i'll show you photos sometime

    Zen Arado: I look quite disreputable though

    Lucinda Lavender: :)

    Zen Arado: with tatoos and smoking a cigarette

    Eden Haiku: I would love to! In Viewer 2 we can do that (but I'm back into 1)

    Zen Arado: I only have to upload them and transfer onto a board

    Eden Haiku: I used to be a heavy smoker ;) Stopped decades ago ;)

    Zen Arado: remind me some time

    Zen Arado: yes me too

    Eden Haiku: I will, can't wait to see you with tattoos and a cigarette!

    Zen Arado: drinking and smoking

    Zen Arado: like a 'rebel without a cause ' :)

    Eden Haiku: Recovering partygoers and hippies...

    Zen Arado: James Dean in 'East of Eden'

    Zen Arado: as I am now :)

    Zen Arado: anyway I better go make dinner

    Lucinda Lavender: yes...must go too

    Zen Arado: nice discussion

    Zen Arado: bye

    Eden Haiku: Yes, I'm starting to think about lunch here. Bye Zen! Bye Lucinda!

    Eden Haiku: Have a great day Lucinda!

    Lucinda Lavender: bye Eden...

    Lucinda Lavender: Have a good day also

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