2010.06.08 07:00 - Snaps

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Riddle Sideways: Good [time unit label] Listener Master,
    --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: hello, Zaldaan
    Riddle Sideways: If you are new here there is a notecard on that rotating ball
    Riddle Sideways: that explains us
    Riddle Sideways: but, I think you know that already
    Riddle Sideways: ah, sorry I see you have been here before and I did not know
    Riddle Sideways: can't meet everybody :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Riddle :) How are you?


    Riddle Sideways: soorrrrrry
    Riddle Sideways: tricksy did not want to be touched
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah, is that why? Was strange :)
    Riddle Sideways: I was fine until pretty kitty got me
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah sorry :)
    Riddle Sideways: np
    Gaya Ethaniel: I was surprised too. ah well, Tricksy reminds me of a touchy neighbour cat, super cautious.
    Riddle Sideways: our old cat is getting that way
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not a cat expert ... do they usually get cautious as it gets older?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sharon :)
    Riddle Sideways: not sure, many of our cats have not livied to old age
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Gaya, Riddle, and Zaldaan :)
    Riddle Sideways: the cats have been away, since we had house guests and too big a party for them
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ...
    Riddle Sideways: they are just coming back
    Gaya Ethaniel: You have a few right?
    Riddle Sideways: only 3
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I remember :)
    Riddle Sideways: dogs would have just joined the party
    Riddle Sideways: cats run away
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have one cat that does not run, he getsin the middle of things
    --BELL--
    Gaya Ethaniel: Cats are interesting :)
    Riddle Sideways: but, am thinking animalization is not the way to discuss time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I do have a question sort of related to it
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: Go ahead :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: If moments are all 'now', and are visualized like a strand of pearls, what is the difference between each one?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: fo rme, it seems to be experience, the changing of experiences, but I'd like to hear more from others :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... something about that articulation throws me off ... thinking.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes sorry phrased badly
    Gaya Ethaniel: moments - now, then to strands ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: No, I take a long time to understand then articulate :)
    Riddle Sideways: 1. all the pearls look alike on the outside
    Riddle Sideways: from a distance
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Yaku :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yaku
    Riddle Sideways: 2. on the inside or close inspection they differ
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Riddle Sideways: hi Yak
    Gaya Ethaniel: It seems that different perspectives are used. To see each moment as now & seeing each moments separately.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: imagine each moment like a copy of the last, but it has changed somewhat
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hence there is a difference resulting from that I think.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, those full length movies made of thousands of stills
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok perspective
    Riddle Sideways: (fav subject) point of view
    Gaya Ethaniel: To see each moment now as now wouldn't make a reference to the last etc.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins and nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Gaya
    Riddle Sideways: each now can stand alone
    Riddle Sideways: but why
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but the data has carried over
    Gaya Ethaniel: Seeing the s trand of pearls essentially involves recalling & amassing memories, a particular point of view, which is different.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, phrased badly ^^ but I see you understood anyway
    Gaya Ethaniel: My question is are you asking still why there is a difference or in fact you want to discuss something more?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Glad I'm understanding you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the difference that I saw was experiential awareness, but there is much more to see, I believe
    Gaya Ethaniel listens.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the copy of the last moment is there but there experience added, what else is different, if anything
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and perspective, I didnt look at that yet :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in this context anyway
    Gaya Ethaniel: It'd be helpful if you can give us an example happened in RL/SL :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant, just thinking
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nothing happened
    Riddle Sideways: image of Being having a photo album
    Riddle Sideways: flipping thru the snapshots
    Riddle Sideways: each a moment that stands alone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: snapshots comprised of a massive amount of information
    Riddle Sideways: but was of a complete life
    Riddle Sideways: on Beings table are spread 35 photos of your yesterday
    Riddle Sideways: can you see them all at once?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 'I' can not
    Riddle Sideways: we might concentrate on one then the next
    Riddle Sideways: laugh at how we were stuck in traffic
    Riddle Sideways: cry at the mention of a dear one
    Riddle Sideways: smell the cornbread
    Riddle Sideways: is all we are the snapshots?
    Riddle Sideways: the tweens between each shot
    SophiaSharon Larnia: our experiences are htere
    Riddle Sideways: Being is 'now' looking at the snapshots
    Riddle Sideways: piecing together a movie
    --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: the plot is up to the narriator
    Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome zen
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zen :)
    Riddle Sideways: hi zen
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's true, we always have a choice.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I think this too Riddle, we form our own experiences
    Zen Arado: hi all
    Gaya Ethaniel: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is this just Phenomenology, and I'm rather late to the party? :))
    Riddle Sideways: to push some point, we might arrange the snapshots/moments into several movies
    Riddle Sideways: at the party you tell a long lost friend of what you have been up to
    Riddle Sideways: which snapshots do you mention
    Gaya Ethaniel: [back]
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im stumped on your question Riddle, because in a way, it may depend on a plan, or whats important
    SophiaSharon Larnia: which i havent gotten through thinking about yet
    Zen Arado: the one's that show yu in the best light ? :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Riddle Sideways: was retorical question that only you can answer to self
    Zen Arado: someone sem
    Gaya Ethaniel: Rather than a plan, more about being attched to how one sees oneself.
    Zen Arado: nt me photos from '61 this week in which I look a real disreputable character
    Riddle Sideways: in RL was host of big party this weekend. As I walked thru crowd, needed to comment in/on/with each circle
    Zen Arado: was / that really me?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Riddle Sideways: rooms were full of photos of me over 6 decades
    Riddle Sideways: was that really me
    Zen Arado: and you changed each time?
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Zen Arado: 6 decades hmmmm
    Riddle Sideways: oops, meant not to say that
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you're the GOC giggles
    Zen Arado: secrets out :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: will edit that to 39
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what was special about 39?
    Gaya Ethaniel vaguely remembers Riddle alluding his age long time ago anyway :)
    Riddle Sideways: jack benny was 39
    Zen Arado: better than 40 :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: vaguely does too
    Riddle Sideways: oh darn
    Zen Arado: if you remember Jack Benny that gives it away too :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: 70s and hippies and that Riddle so it was out for a long while, no worries :P
    Riddle Sideways: my bestest friend from the 90s comes to me with a photo of he and I at his second wedding
    Riddle Sideways: a photo of beatle haricuts
    Zen Arado: funny how hairstyles were influenced by pop stars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in the 90's? :D
    Riddle Sideways: photo of baby daugther sleeping on me
    Zen Arado: I see Elvis style in early photos
    Riddle Sideways: all make up the movie
    Zen Arado: remembers haor cream ugh
    Riddle Sideways: maybe TV shows that you click the remote thru
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do we fill 'gaps' between snaps?
    Zen Arado: hair *
    Riddle Sideways: yes, photos of hair gooped up
    Riddle Sideways: we tell stories in the gaps
    Zen Arado: I just got in contact with friends I hadn't heard from for over 45 years
    Riddle Sideways: rearrange the snaps
    SophiaSharon Larnia: confabulate?
    Zen Arado: will I get on with them now I wonder?
    --BELL--
    Gaya Ethaniel: Notion of time re:snaps is a funny one.
    Riddle Sideways: Being in Now is hard to concieve
    Riddle Sideways: snaps are much easier
    Riddle Sideways: but maybe not as real
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, and immensely dense snaps
    Gaya Ethaniel: Even the notion of 'now' is strange :)
    Riddle Sideways: what does Bach sound like as a snap of Bb7
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a note held?
    Zen Arado: sound is epheremeral
    Riddle Sideways: "I can name that tune in 1 note..."
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Zen Arado: ephemeral*
    Riddle Sideways: many times I think that is what science is doing
    Zen Arado: in what way?
    Riddle Sideways: a snapshot of the very very small or the very very large/distant
    Zen Arado: trying to find rules amd laws for everything?
    Riddle Sideways: then make up a story/plot to fit it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: theories :)
    Zen Arado: procrustean bed
    Riddle Sideways: take the human/song/universe apart
    Riddle Sideways: to look at the parts
    Riddle Sideways: the whole is tooooo big to comprehend?
    Riddle Sideways: Time being just a now is tooo tough?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah but taking random snaps off the table and assembling a thought, a stofy
    Riddle Sideways: I told myself a wonderful fairy tale last night
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
    Riddle Sideways: somebody gave me the corner of a napkin
    Riddle Sideways: with 2 mis-speeled words on it
    Riddle Sideways: but I had no time to google them
    Riddle Sideways: (found it) Episilon Aurigea
    Riddle Sideways: no need for facts
    Riddle Sideways: I thought about it as sleep came
    Riddle Sideways: maybe dreamed what it meant
    Riddle Sideways: then forgot dream
    Riddle Sideways: isn't that what this now vs. memories is about
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I did not even follow that
    Gaya Ethaniel ponders ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Episilon Aurigea is a binary star system, very interesting conversation you must have been having
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yellow apparently :)
    Riddle Sideways: image of [can't remember title] Herman Hesse book with "For Madmen only" in it
    Riddle Sideways: stranger walks up to you
    Riddle Sideways: hands you your book
    Riddle Sideways: there is your snaps and movies
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now = no need for facts? Memory patly the forgetting?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: partly*
    Riddle Sideways: yes, so convenient
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: we all were younger, thinner and wittier
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Zen Arado: I was desperately hunting for photos from the 60's this week
    Zen Arado: so attached to the past
    Riddle Sideways: and found them
    Zen Arado: no
    Zen Arado: very annoying
    Gaya Ethaniel wonders why she feels she's getting younger or stop aging :)
    Zen Arado: so enjoyed looking at the ones that were sent to me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Gaya :)
    Riddle Sideways: because you are, Gaya
    --BELL--
    Gaya Ethaniel: Need to run, nice seeing you all :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye GAya!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care
    Zen Arado: bye Gaya
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone, Im off to see the wizard.
    Zen Arado: ok bye all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Riddle Sideways: yes, need to go too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: take care ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Riddle Sideways: ah, Zaldaan you join just as we leave :(
    Riddle Sideways: too bad, you had lots to add
    Zaldaan Sirnah: aw
    Riddle Sideways: the balancing of science, engineering and Being
    Zaldaan Sirnah: I don't know if I like adding
    Zaldaan Sirnah: yeah, how can one talk about religion or spirituality without hitting the obstacles of those who are aware of nothing but misleading information?
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or perhaps they won't hear it anyway, and those who will hear, might hear?
    Riddle Sideways: am not sure, but those are the obstacles we need to push
    Riddle Sideways: but that is very likely what we need to hear
    Zaldaan Sirnah: hm
    Riddle Sideways: it is not the forcing of your points that they must hear. It is the sharing. It is the points it brings to you
    Riddle Sideways: perhaps there is much there
    Riddle Sideways: please bring this topic back when I have more time to spend
    Riddle Sideways: it is fasinating
    Zaldaan Sirnah: what if I share something.. like let's say I've discovered that it's the best thing for someone to twist their ear.. and that if they do this once a day they MIGHT discover something "divine"
    Zaldaan Sirnah: now, what if I share this with scientific fact.. and now basically everyone's either obligated to do it, or they feel regret for not doing it..
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or they hate and don't want to
    Zaldaan Sirnah: or "disbelieve"..
    Zaldaan Sirnah: should such a thing be shared??
    Riddle Sideways: 1. that is their freedom of choice
    Zaldaan Sirnah: oh.. just read your comment. sorry for keeping you
    Riddle Sideways: 2. peer discussion
    Riddle Sideways: you can become the guru of the ear twist cult
    Riddle Sideways: many will join
    Riddle Sideways: some will not
    Riddle Sideways: many will love/worship you (for a while)
    Riddle Sideways: many will hate/protest you (for a while)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: I feel like I take away their so-called freedom and replace it with a sword
    Zaldaan Sirnah: "pick a side, blessing or regret."
    Riddle Sideways: wish it were that easy / 2 sided
    Riddle Sideways: Being has 2 photos in hand.
    Riddle Sideways: and a hundred stories/movies between them
    Riddle Sideways: an hour ago I told myself one of those movies
    Riddle Sideways: now I think on another
    Riddle Sideways: we can change
    Zaldaan Sirnah: I'll try to be here on time.. I mean, I've been trying but I've always so much to do.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, me too
    --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: your av was here on time :)
    Riddle Sideways: bye for now.

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