2010.06.08 13:00 - Don't Try this at Home

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

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    Wol Euler: tuesday 8 june, 1pm
    Wol Euler: hello aggers
    Agatha Macbeth: Well hello :)
    Agatha Macbeth: How are we?
    Wol Euler: ooh, nice outfit. glossy.
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Wol Euler: I'm pretty well, thanks, got out earlyish, had a pizza, now tea
    Wol Euler: and you?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yum
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, fine
    Agatha Macbeth: Here early?
    Wol Euler: in SL early
    Wol Euler: spent the time searching for today's outfit and hair
    Agatha Macbeth: Avid?
    Wol Euler: outfit is Bare Rose, hair is by ... Calico Ingmann it says here
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, I know it
    Agatha Macbeth: Where is the hair from then?
    Wol Euler: Calico Ingmann
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that the shop?
    Wol Euler: person = shop
    Agatha Macbeth nods. Thanks
    Wol Euler: she has some interestingly odd hair, fae-types and suchlike
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds rather Fael-ish
    Agatha Macbeth: (Looks it too)
    Wol Euler: I might have got the name from her, don'T remember
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it wouldn't surprise me actually :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Did you know you often type capital T after an apostrophe?


    --BELL--


    Wol Euler: yes :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha!
    Wol Euler: one of my characteristic mistakes
    Wol Euler: like "htat" or "hte"
    Agatha Macbeth: mmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny how you pick up on other people's idiosyncracies
    Wol Euler smiles and nods. We are hardwired to do that, using whatever media info is available
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I do anyways
    Wol Euler: hello sharon
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSL :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Wol and Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: The top hat girl is in da house!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha! woot!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: kidding
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Wol Euler: woot indeed.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: pigtails!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
    Agatha Macbeth: Where?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: pom poms?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    Agatha Macbeth isn't sure what you call them
    Agatha Macbeth: Bangs?
    Wol Euler: naaah, bangs are in the front
    Agatha Macbeth: I commented that it looks rather Fael-like
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but the color is all Wol (i dont think they look much like hers^^)
    Agatha Macbeth: She'll start running round the fountain in a minute...
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh the colour, sure
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, the great majority of my hair is in this colour or close to it
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu
    Wol Euler: hello bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, you have some colour back in your cheeks ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: :)

    Bleu notices my Group Tag


    Bleu Oleander: verbalicious .... where have i seen that before?
    Agatha Macbeth: Where indeed?
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Wol Euler: let me put that on before yaku gets here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Blue Angel VIP actually :)
    Bleu Oleander: is this day 2 of Wol's hair/outfit variety show?
    Agatha Macbeth: I think Yaku will be at the dream workshop
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    Wol Euler: it is!
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Bleu Oleander: you should photo this
    Wol Euler: you're right!

    I did! :)


    Wol Euler: good idea.
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Wol Euler: and flickr the set
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha
    Bleu Oleander: actually combine it with writing about it also
    Wol Euler: even better!
    Bleu Oleander: how you perceive yourself
    Agatha Macbeth: Bleu is the odd one out, not in black
    Bleu Oleander: used to being the odd one out ... np
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Bleu Oleander: hi Ara
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ara
    Agatha Macbeth sees an Arabella approaching
    Bleu Oleander: arabella alert
    SophiaSharon Larnia is drinking mikes hard cranberry lemonade and am finding them absolutely yummy
    Agatha Macbeth looks to her right, puzzled
    Wol Euler is drinking darjeeling tea and eating chocolate biscuits, and finding htem pretty tasty too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, in RL?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Oops, we lost Ara
    Wol Euler: probably gone to the dream workshop
    Bleu Oleander goes to the fridge and gets a mikes hard lemonade for herself

    Whoever this Mike is, he seems pretty popular with the ladies. Maybe it's his hard lemonade :p


    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay!
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably
    Wol Euler: huh
    Wol Euler: what are the chances of that?!?
    Agatha Macbeth: No, she's back...
    Wol Euler: wb ara, come and sit quickly :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Agatha Macbeth: (Dodgy connection again)
    arabella Ella: second crash within the hour
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Ara :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara :)
    arabella Ella: yes my connection must be weak
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Ive had trouble tonight too
    Agatha Macbeth: Another power outage?
    arabella Ella: there was another yesterday afternoon believe it or not
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    arabella Ella: owwww
    Agatha Macbeth: Do we have anything interesting to discuss then? (She asked hopefully)
    Bleu Oleander: you talkin' to me?
    arabella Ella: i thought the dream circle thing was here tonight but seems it must be elsewhere
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyone!
    Wol Euler: no, it's always in the cafe
    Agatha Macbeth: Isn't it at Kira?
    arabella Ella: ah ... still undecided whether to go or not
    arabella Ella: and a bit late anyway
    Agatha Macbeth nods


    --BELL--


    Agatha Macbeth is eating grapes
    arabella Ella is thinking of possible topics
    Bleu Oleander: healthy
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    arabella Ella: oh you remind me Ags I got some fresh figs to eat too!
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    arabella Ella: they are in season at the moment
    Agatha Macbeth: I like fruit a lot, I must admit
    arabella Ella: we still get some seasonal stuff here
    Agatha Macbeth: And nuts
    arabella Ella: yummy
    Wol Euler: that's why you get on so well here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You are what you eat...
    arabella Ella: now you are making me hungry
    Bleu Oleander: didn't peg you as a fruit and nuts person
    arabella Ella: even tho i just ate dinner
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I eat other stuff too [grin]
    Wol Euler: thinly sliced pig with fruit and nuts :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Roast aardvark?
    Wol Euler: wow, that made Sharon faint :)
    Agatha Macbeth: HA!
    Agatha Macbeth: She's back :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: internet issues atm
    arabella Ella empath ises
    Agatha Macbeth: Try to stay awake Shaz :p
    arabella Ella: hey we could discuss food perhaps?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel very awake, more awake then Ive felt in a long time
    Wol Euler: why is that, do you know?
    Agatha Macbeth: We could Ara :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
    Agatha Macbeth: (She went to turn off the alarm clock)
    arabella Ella: now how would you know Ags?
    Agatha Macbeth: Just a guess...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: part of it is having time to not worry about time so much
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    arabella Ella: do you generally worry about time?
    Agatha Macbeth: The dreaded tempus
    arabella Ella: and what precisely do you worry about not having enough time?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im not working at the moment,frees you up
    arabella Ella: yes it certainly does
    Wol Euler: indeed it does. Enjoy
    Agatha Macbeth: Certainly does! :)
    Bleu Oleander: to do fun things!
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: right!
    Wol Euler: write a bestselling novel, or paint a still-life and sell it on eBay
    SophiaSharon Larnia: even doing normal things in more fun
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok then, I will
    SophiaSharon Larnia: still have writers block^^
    Wol Euler: naah
    Bleu Oleander: take photos of your AV
    Wol Euler: yeah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: I do anyway
    Wol Euler: me too
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, I noticed...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: dusted off my camera and started taking pictures again, nothing esp wonderful yet
    Agatha Macbeth: In RL?
    Wol Euler: that's great, sharon.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Bleu Oleander: film or dig
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: dig
    arabella Ella: I cant seem to find my camera and it is so frustrating
    arabella Ella: must be somewhere
    SophiaSharon Larnia: used to do film long ago, very messy
    Bleu Oleander: everything is
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, just use yer phone then ;-)
    arabella Ella: yes i am using my phone instead
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in more ways than just developing them
    Agatha Macbeth: There you go
    arabella Ella: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Budding David Baileys every one of us
    arabella Ella: got myself a new i phone a couple of months ago and am very happy with it
    Bleu Oleander: me too
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh nice
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you go into sl?
    arabella Ella: yes Wol you were one of those who tempted me to get an i phone :)
    Wol Euler grins
    Bleu Oleander: no sl yet
    Agatha Macbeth: i i (pod)
    arabella Ella: i think you can only chat on the phone in SL but no TP
    Wol Euler: though you know, I don't have one?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahahhaa
    Wol Euler: you can on hte iPad apparently, through a bit of trickery
    arabella Ella: is yours not an i phone Wol?
    Wol Euler: no, just an iPod Touch
    arabella Ella: ah
    Wol Euler: it has internet and can do skype, but no telephone as such
    arabella Ella: ah i see
    Wol Euler: and no GPS and no camera
    arabella Ella: oh
    Wol Euler: the iPhone service chargtes in Germany are (were) offensively high


    --BELL--


    Agatha Macbeth: They came down then?
    arabella Ella: here too
    arabella Ella: very high

    Someone strolls past the pavilion, but does not enter...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Jesse
    arabella Ella: Hiya Jesse
    arabella Ella: fraid i must leave now may see you later :)
    arabella Ella: bye
    Wol Euler: bye ara, enjoy
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok Ara, bfn
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have just been exploring the notion of experience for the sake of experience alone, thats the easiest way to put it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Ara
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Agatha Macbeth: How did that feel?
    Wol Euler: interesting
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think too much to say atm, but from point a to point b in time, everything looks the same, the only difference is experiences along the way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are there other differences?
    Bleu Oleander: was just talking about that this am :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I think there are always differences
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry its on my mind ^^
    Wol Euler: please, carry on, I'd like to hear more
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too
    Bleu Oleander: me too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you could use the 9 sec stops as an example, even if you dont do them all the time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: from one moment to the next, whats changed in the interval? sometimes everything and nothing
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I see what you mean
    Bleu Oleander: when is it ever nothing?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: When is it ever everything? :)
    Bleu Oleander: it's always everything
    Bleu Oleander: nothing stays the same
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, well
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what makes it everyhting?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: experiences?
    Bleu Oleander: movement
    Wol Euler: can one experience everything-ness, or do you just *know* that everything is changing?
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a good question :)
    Bleu Oleander: don't think one can experience everything-ness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think on some level we experience it, and some touch it a little
    SophiaSharon Larnia: consciously i mean
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, maybe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i used to be comfortable with the term to *know* but not as much any more
    SophiaSharon Larnia: still comfortable i mean, but want more
    Agatha Macbeth: Do we ever know as much as we think we do?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i sure dont
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bleu Oleander: we probably know enough to get by as well as we do?
    Wol Euler: I am still struggling to get to grips with how much I don't know. Everywhere I look there's something else that I have no idea about
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Play as Knowing?
    Bleu Oleander: the more you know the more you realize you don't know very much
    Wol Euler: exactly, bleu
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i read one book and then feel the need to look up any reference to the subject for the last 2000 years
    Wol Euler: it's like a small bubble expanding inside a much larger bubble which is expanding too, only faster.
    Bleu Oleander: rabbit hole
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Climbing up the ever climbing wave'
    Wol Euler: sisyphus on a treadmill
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: See a doctor then :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is that a way of pointing that it doesnt matter


    --BELL--


    Agatha Macbeth has seen hamsters on treadmills
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or a way of pointing that it is the hard way to go about things
    SophiaSharon Larnia: humans are def. on a treadmill of our own making
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a point actually, why do hamsters on treadmills keep running when they aren't getting anywhere?
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Wol Euler: perhaps they enjoy it physically?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: experience :)
    Wol Euler: it must be boring as hell otherwise, stuck in little box
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth: Even if they box is bigger, they're still stuck tho
    Wol Euler: true.
    Wol Euler: that's why we go on holidays to Tunisia or whatever the hell, that is our treadmill to run in
    SophiaSharon Larnia: one day get tired of the box and poof it into something else
    Agatha Macbeth: And then Yaku will rez another ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well at least the cat hasn't made an appearance yet...
    SophiaSharon Larnia has a very clingy cat on her lap
    Bleu Oleander: "yet I do surface. I am not overshelmed by a sense of futility. I burst above the waves to take in a deep breath because I know that each breath takes me deeper into a great mystery story, and I cannot put it down. The universe remains full of such mysteries, from the origin of life to the ultimate future of our cosmos. They beckon us onward. I have always taken solace from he myth of Sisyphus ...... new wondrous experiences may await that can more than justify the pain of taking the next step. Like Camus, I have always believed that Sisyphus was smiling." sorry .... took me a while to find this quote ... but like it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Nothing like a clingy cat
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles I love it
    Wol Euler: nice
    Wol Euler: who was that?
    Agatha Macbeth: Was Sisyphus a hamster then? :)
    Bleu Oleander: Lawrence Krauss from his book "Atom"
    Wol Euler: ty, noted
    SophiaSharon Larnia: more than justify the pain of taking the next step eep
    Agatha Macbeth: Eep indeed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is that Eos's warriors? ^^
    Agatha Macbeth: Eos has warriors?

    (Well he does look a little like Genghis Khan) :p


    SophiaSharon Larnia: he's at a conference, spirituality and leadership, or something like, I hope I'm not messing that up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Bleu Oleander: in NYC
    Bleu Oleander: ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he'll introduce them on the retreat :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not sure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think its pointing to the warior in all of us
    Agatha Macbeth: Sabre-rattling
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rattling something :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I don't think sabres can rattle can they?
    Wol Euler: in sheaths, they do.
    Agatha Macbeth: Just kinda swoosh
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, yes
    Wol Euler: or so I'm told
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Never owned one myself
    Agatha Macbeth: Would be handy for carving the turkey at Xmas
    Wol Euler: or opening bottles of champagne :)
    Wol Euler: it works :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It does?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: id like to see that
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: let me find you some photos on flickr from a wedding I attended last summer, there was sabering of champagne bottles there.
    Agatha Macbeth: Think I'd stand well clear...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, you have to do that :)
    Agatha Macbeth: One moment while I cleave my Bollinger
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Agatha Macbeth: (surely a corkscrew would be both safer and more efficient)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: less fun tho ;p
    Bleu Oleander: low drama though
    Wol Euler: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linden_tea/3722382310/
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah


    --BELL--


    SophiaSharon Larnia: i love it!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
    Wol Euler: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linden_...7621473382012/
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go, bye for now!!
    Wol Euler: bye sharon, take care
    Bleu Oleander: bye sharon
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Shaz
    SophiaSharon Larnia: looking at the picture LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: Atually HOLDING it???
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Agatha Macbeth: My God
    Bleu Oleander: oh my
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: I would at least put it on a table top or something
    Wol Euler: it's less violent than it looks.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
    Wol Euler: you don't hack the top off
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now!!
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care Shaz
    Bleu Oleander: bye
    Wol Euler: you slide the blade (backside first) along the neck towards the top
    Wol Euler: the blade catches on the rim and cracks it, and the pressure forces the top away from the neck
    Wol Euler: having said all that, yes it can go wrong :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bloody hell
    Bleu Oleander: so there's a method to your madness
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: Would be specially dodgy had you downed a few glasses beforehand
    Wol Euler: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linden_...7621473382012/
    Wol Euler: as most people had :)
    Wol Euler: but I think they were respectful of the blade.
    Wol Euler: it was a serious instrument
    Agatha Macbeth: As would I be
    Bleu Oleander: uh, i guess so
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Wol Euler looks through the photos and smiles. God, that was a good party
    Wol Euler: hello darren
    Agatha Macbeth: Never knew Milwaukee was such a dangerous place :)
    Darren Islar: hi everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Daz
    Bleu Oleander: gtg ..... forgot the wg meeting ....
    Agatha Macbeth: Damn, I'm looking at all the photos now
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
    Wol Euler: which wg?
    Darren Islar: bye bleu
    Wol Euler: bye bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I will definitely have to have a good look afterwards
    Darren Islar: photo's?
    Wol Euler: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linden_...7621473382012/
    Darren Islar: like the hair Wol, makes me smile :)
    Darren Islar: thanks
    Wol Euler: a wedding that I went to last summer, SL people meeting and marrying in RL
    Agatha Macbeth: From the Fracture wedding last year
    Darren Islar: ah , okay
    Agatha Macbeth: (Think I've seen them before, but worth another look)
    Agatha Macbeth: There are certainly some crazy people at Fracture
    Wol Euler: yep :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And that's without you and me :)
    Wol Euler: ty darren, just noticed your compliment :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: How are you Darren?
    Darren Islar: I'm ok, thanks
    Agatha Macbeth: Glad to hear it :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Meditations going ok?
    Darren Islar: yes, thought not much people left :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Darren Islar: but that is normal
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that happened with Cafh too
    Agatha Macbeth: Seemed to be less every week
    Darren Islar: well it needs time and work
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Darren Islar: it is always a slow process
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess anything worthwhile is
    Darren Islar: and maybe it stops somewhere and maybe not
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true
    Darren Islar: but the ones that are left have already there own practice :)
    Agatha Macbeth: To each their own, yes...
    Wol Euler shakes her head sadly. The time just didn'T work out for me
    Darren Islar: they can make that kind of comitment easier, used to it
    Wol Euler: I wish I could have gone to more of them
    Darren Islar: no Wol, so it didn't for others
    Agatha Macbeth: The best stuff in SL always seems to clash
    Darren Islar: well, thinking of splitting the group
    Wol Euler: though in my case it was clashing with work :/
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Darren Islar: starting with a few of the old ones and maybe a few new ones
    Darren Islar: yes, I know, but everyone had a good reason
    Darren Islar: or, is having


    --BELL--


    Darren Islar: if it is not already taken in in your daily life
    Darren Islar: it is hard to make time in the kind of society we live in
    Agatha Macbeth: Sadly, yes
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe when we are retired, like Zen :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Darren Islar: Storm, Zen, Cal and Yaku are the ones that join the most
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Darren Islar: Yaku, the only one that is new to the 'game' :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Cal is very dilligent, yes :)
    Darren Islar: but the first three are used to make time for it, it is already in their schedule
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Did you learn from a teacher, or was it something you devised yourself?
    Darren Islar: no, several teachers, and developed it into a tool that can also be used in a psychological way
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
    Darren Islar: to my opinion something that suits PaB well, because I think we address mostly psychological issues
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, probably :)
    Darren Islar: or at least examnining it on that level
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Darren Islar: and it is where you need to start
    Darren Islar: so, not giving up yet :)
    Wol Euler grins.
    Agatha Macbeth grins. Don't you dare!
    Darren Islar: if there are people willing to, and I am still able to, I will continue :)
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Keep right on to the end of the road'
    Agatha Macbeth: And all that
    Darren Islar: :)
    Darren Islar: but I do need to reconsider how to continue
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Go with the flow'?
    Darren Islar: yes, but as projectmanager I have learned, that sometimes you need to push that a little :)
    Darren Islar: gently
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Darren Islar: and if you do that well, people won't even notice
    Darren Islar: but it means you need to understand something about the 'flow' of things
    Agatha Macbeth: Definitely
    Agatha Macbeth: It's a fine line I guess
    Darren Islar: but because it is new, it needs to become a new habit, so it needs energy to get there
    Agatha Macbeth: Initial velocity > acceleration
    Darren Islar: and sometimes it also means you need to break down old habits, and that is hard, that goes for everybody
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, i would think PaB would give people a good grounding for that
    Wol Euler: it would if people did the exercises :)
    Darren Islar: right
    Agatha Macbeth: Er, yes
    Darren Islar: those things come easier doing it in a group
    Darren Islar: being together is nice
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Darren Islar: that is a habit easy to build
    Agatha Macbeth: 'The group dynamic'
    Darren Islar: but to do the work, is hard
    Darren Islar: because there is always an element you need to do on your own
    Agatha Macbeth understands that
    Wol Euler nods.
    Darren Islar: if you don't, the group won't develop either


    --BELL--


    Darren Islar: that is why I think it should be part of the heart of PaB not being an add-on, or add-ons
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true
    Darren Islar: at the same time it would destroy the openess of the group
    Wol Euler: my dears, I must go, I'm fading fast.
    Darren Islar: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fading Fast :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight, take care, be happy
    Darren Islar: sleep well Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Sweet dreams
    Wol Euler: ty

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    That was one of the best sessions I've had yet: both fun and thought-provoking!
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