2010.06.09 13:00 - Inner and Outer Bits

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia, filling in for Fefonz Quan. The comments are by SSL. Attending this session was Fael, Gaya, Darren, and myself, followed by Mickorod, Bleu, Bertram, Calvino, and 'guest'.

    The story about this log-- Despite the dire warnings against guardianing a session without the 'save logs' box checked in SL preferences, I unchecked this box because I was in SL on a computer that was not my own. When I received the link to the meeting log, there was only one person recorded on the entire log (not mentioning the name). I then emailed 2 guardians, who also did not have the log on their computers, and finally got enough log to post from the third and fourth guardians I emailed (again not mentioning any names).

    Let this be a learning experience for us all! The formatting is a pain. Thank you for the log bits -- you know who you are! <3

    So the title of this log reflects the patching together of different saved chat logs. I've done the best I could to make it coherent, and for the most part it is, although there are several minutes at the beginning that are gone.

    Topics during this long and varied session included: playing without a topic, lag, thingy's, images from outward environments which stop us in our tracks, the outward experience of reading inwardly, and our different RL environments.

    Fael Innovia: Hi Sharon :)


    Fael Innovia: Hi Ewan :)
    Fael Innovia: Hello Darren :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (added post recording: Here, I said hello's, and pointed Ewan to the new wiki, typing in playasbeing.org instead of Fael's statement, and thanked Fael after it.)
    Fael Innovia: best point people at wiki.playasbeing.org :)
    Fael Innovia: doesn't look like Ewan's too present :)

    Fael Innovia: Hi Gaya :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Darren Islar: hi Gaya
    Darren Islar: let me go and see what is happening
    Gaya Ethaniel: ?
    Darren Islar: hi Ewan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: dunno
    Gaya Ethaniel shrugs :)
    Darren Islar: his avatar seems to be here
    Darren Islar: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this is a strange 10 min
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Innovia: definitely :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: what happens when you play as being without a topic
    Gaya Ethaniel: Then give us a topic Sharon :P
    Fael Innovia: meep! :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is it necessary to have a topic to play as being?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: children play, and by playing they learn
    Darren Islar: back
    Gaya Ethaniel: No not unless you want to feel other than strangeness :P
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb
    Fael Innovia states, matter of factly 'Meep.'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    Darren Islar: thanks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is playing as being learning?


    Darren Islar: I don't know about PaB, but playing should be learning :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: feel other than strangeness, can you say more Gaya?? and yes Darren :))
    Gaya Ethaniel isn't sure about having an outcome when playing. Learning can be a natural side effects.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods thoughtfully
    Gaya Ethaniel: That was a joke to entice you into giving us a topic :P
    Fael Innovia giggles.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: enticing statement tho
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so without playing you feel strange? I can say for myself, to not be introspective is strange
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Fael runs around the fountain several times, encountering and testing lag. ^^

    Fael Innovia: wow, what's with this lag...
    SophiaSharon Larnia loves to see Fael run
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you mean unnatural when you say 'strange' then Sharon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Fael Innovia: Hi Mick :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Mick
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Darren Islar: hi Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Guys
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Mick :)
    Fael Innovia: ok, let's try that again :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Gaya

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Mick, i think the topic was is it necessary to have a topic to play as being... but feel free to change it ^^
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: ok ty
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe Fael
    Fael Innovia: ok, not so laggy now :)
    Mickorod Renard: I would think it is not a requirement,,,,but having said that I think a topic helps develop it in a more directed way
    Darren Islar: if want to know if it is laggy, we ask Fael to celebrate and run a few rounds :)
    Fael Innovia: lag was due to an upload that was going on here :)
    Fael Innovia: just me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: alot can be said for spontaneity, but def. yes
    Mickorod Renard: but the whole experience of what we have done here over the time rests in me well
    SophiaSharon Larnia: feels that it rests in me too

    Gaya Ethaniel nods. It's a long term thingy :)
    Mickorod Renard: thingy,,now thats a word I often use
    Fael Innovia: thingy! :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh? :)
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaaa
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too but usually as a result of forgetting the word out of hastiness
    Gaya Ethaniel: I often choose words by sound and thingy is one of them.
    Fael Innovia smiles.
    SophiaSharon Larnia giggles
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: mine is because I dont think the need is that strong to spend ages searching my mind for the right word
    Fael Innovia starts humming 'thingy... thingyy... thingythingythingy...'
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now i have lag, you gave me the lag
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: eeeek,,its catching


    Mickorod uses the word 'thingy' to point to the almost indescribability of beautiful moments...

    Mickorod Renard: it was cloudy and some mist due to rain here today,,but at one stage the sky opened with a burst of white cloud and blue sky peeking through,,it was really ,,,,thingy,,,,the light lit up the edges like fire..and i got a feeling of lovely cool air like one gets on high mountain tops

    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Fael Innovia smiles 'Lovely image, Mick.'
    Darren Islar: wow
    Gaya Ethaniel: Some poet you're becoming Mick.
    Mickorod Renard: not very arty ,,my description,,but its nice to take a few seconds observing it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a moment
    Fael Innovia: nothing wrong with the description, Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i saw it too :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: from your description
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: ohh,,he he
    Fael Innovia: yep, perfect description :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as i read it
    Fael Innovia: takes the reader with you watching it
    Mickorod Renard: grin,,see,,we share our experiences in more than one way

    Mickorod Renard: I have to sneak out I am afraid, I may miss WoK too,,a pity cos i did some homework
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Fael Innovia: have fun Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Mick :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Mick
    Darren Islar: bye Mick
    Gaya Ethaniel: Post your homework on wiki :P
    Mickorod Renard: bye, i will try and make it to wok if i can
    Gaya Ethaniel: We will dissect it :PP
    Mickorod Renard: eeek
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha
    Gaya Ethaniel: But won't if you turn up though :PP

    Gaya Ethaniel: Poor Mick, he seems not to have found a ghost writer yet for WoK homework.
    Fael Innovia: ghost writer?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins, Im reading a book on a ghost writer atm
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostwriter
    Fael Innovia: ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its someone who fleshes out the work of a usually famous author
    Gaya Ethaniel: Actually we will talk about the film, Ghost/Ghost Writer on Sunday.
    Gaya Ethaniel: What's the title Sharon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i havent seen it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hold on
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its at my mom's I'm ashamed to say its one of 4 in a reader digest :P
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ever heard of those?
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm ... I used to read RG when I was in Korea for studying English but haven't seen it since coming to UK.
    Fael Innovia: Hi Bleu :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bleu :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i read them like snacks in between other, more cerebral reading ^^
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Like snacks :)
    Darren Islar: hi Bleu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nothing like relaxing to good old escapist fiction
    Gaya Ethaniel chews ... relaxing, escaping & fiction.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for me its changing a focus of concentration from inner to outer, although the story is inner (as a story)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just less-self
    Gaya Ethaniel: That makes sense, softening a grip on a particular perspective.


    Bleu Oleander: brb :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Calvino
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Calvino :)
    Fael Innovia: Hi Cal :)
    Darren Islar: hi Cal, gtsy
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone
    Fael Innovia: meep! :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: back and reading and finding nothing :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Innovia: meep! :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I was looking at the pavilion from underneath the ground surface - a very strange appearance - and wondering why I only recently discovered that view
    Darren Islar: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not eve sure if it looks that way to other viewers
    Calvino Rabeni: Like everything is floating in the sky
    Fael Innovia: Hi Bert :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bert :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like theres no ground :)
    Darren Islar: hi Bert
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hello , good evening ! :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: the groundless existence, revealed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i look under and around things here in sl all the time
    Fael Innovia: meep meep! :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: guess i doi that in rl too
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: Like the big rock over there - as an iceberg - mostly under the surface
    Gaya Ethaniel must be off and post a log. Nice to see you all.
    Darren Islar: bye Gaya
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have to go now too bye all :))


    Fael Innovia: have fun Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves :)
    Darren Islar: bye Sharon
    Bertram Jacobus: bye sharon ...
    Fael Innovia: meep! :)

    Bertram Jacobus: for quite a long time, we didn't get new members, right ?
    Fael Innovia: it's been up&down a lot I think
    Fael Innovia: sometimes periods of little new ones, sometimes more
    Bertram Jacobus: may be. since when are you at the group fael ?
    Darren Islar: Lucinda is the last if I remember well
    Fael Innovia: I wonder if anyone has made a chart.
    Fael Innovia: I joined May 2008
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow
    Bertram Jacobus: so you know the history a bit ... :-)
    Fael Innovia: Yes :)
    Bertram Jacobus: lucinda ... is she often here ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Fairly often
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ... haven't notices her so far i must admit ...
    Bertram Jacobus: noticed*
    Fael Innovia: autologger database would allow creating some kind of graphs about new people coming in reasonably easily :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - i'm tired suddenly - nap attack !
    Fael Innovia: I'd best start preparing for bed too soon :)
    Fael Innovia: So, have fun everyone :)
    Bertram Jacobus: okay - so see you all soon again i guess :-)
    Darren Islar: bye Bert, Fael
    Bertram Jacobus: ty darren :-)

    For the rest of the log, Calvino and Darren talk about RL environments, with a short appearance of a 'guest' with a perplexing question.

    Darren Islar: you're here Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: hi yes, but i have a rl disturbance
    Darren Islar: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: It is about a very strange cat
    Calvino Rabeni: it looks precious, like an angel, but turns into a demon at night
    Calvino Rabeni: like a were wolf cat
    Darren Islar: it is spring Cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: a jeckyl and hyde creature
    Darren Islar: is it your cat?
    Calvino Rabeni: no it belongs to my mother :) she had a terrible night being attacked by the mad creature
    Darren Islar: oh, that's not so nice


    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, it is a strange topic for PaB - however, RL is strange sometimes
    Calvino Rabeni: ... but, that call is finished :)
    Darren Islar: it was a call?
    Calvino Rabeni: She came to call - entered the house and is now gone again
    Darren Islar: ah.... that way :)
    Calvino Rabeni: (same apartment different unit)
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking earlier, it would be interesting if people "googled" their house as google did to the roads
    Calvino Rabeni: Did they send a camera truck to the city you live in?
    Darren Islar: there is nothing special to see about my house
    Darren Islar: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: A huge company
    Darren Islar: it is part of a block of bricks
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: I'm happy with it though :)
    Darren Islar: but in Holland a lot of houses are put close together
    Darren Islar: we don't have much space
    Calvino Rabeni: Why is that - shortage of buildable land?
    Darren Islar: and it is flat so it is possible to use everything
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: the stairs in Holland are famous :)
    Darren Islar: especially the old ones
    Darren Islar: they are very steep :)
    Calvino Rabeni: meaning stairs that are in buildings?
    Darren Islar: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I always liked outdoor stairs in cities
    Calvino Rabeni: For some reason, they are exciting to walk
    Calvino Rabeni: because they promise new vistas
    Darren Islar: well, not in Holland :)
    Darren Islar: it is to flat
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe one of the great cities for that is San Francisco
    Calvino Rabeni: Walking and viewing
    Darren Islar: I think when there are differences is groundlevels
    Darren Islar: it sure opens something 'new'
    Darren Islar: *in
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes very much so
    Darren Islar: right SF
    Calvino Rabeni: But also, I like to live in multi-level houses
    Calvino Rabeni: rather than in the "flat" one-level style
    Calvino Rabeni: When you go up or down levels, it gives a different feel
    Darren Islar: it does
    Darren Islar: I agree, like that too
    Calvino Rabeni: It suggests a parallel with the body, like the chakras
    Calvino Rabeni: Another nice house feature is a "sleeping porch"
    Darren Islar: I'm living in the attic :)
    Calvino Rabeni: A good place is on the back side, on the second floor
    Calvino Rabeni: Attics then, I'd say are a good place for writing :)
    Darren Islar: sleeping porch, have no visual about that
    Darren Islar: of that
    Darren Islar: well, live alone
    Darren Islar: feel more comfortabe here
    Darren Islar: and would like to use the first level as practice
    Darren Islar: but don't get to it, because of my fatigue
    Calvino Rabeni: It is like a screen covered balcony. Sort of old-fashioned - it is to keep cool and get fresh air when the weather is moderate - in climates that get warm - before AC was invented
    Darren Islar: ah... okay, very american I think
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps so
    Calvino Rabeni: or like tropical countries


    Darren Islar: yes, but doesn't sounds Dutch, let me see if I can find a picture
    Darren Islar: yes, get an idea
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/images?um=1&q=...=Search+images
    Calvino Rabeni: My previous house had one
    Calvino Rabeni: in the summer, the windows throughout were left open
    Darren Islar: you found the same page :)
    Darren Islar: sounds nice
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, if one goes along with the light - the birds make a big noise at about 4:10 AM
    Darren Islar: :)
    Darren Islar: yes they tend to wake my up
    Darren Islar: but an american brought along a great thing to Holland
    Darren Islar: a soundscreen :)
    Calvino Rabeni: what is that?
    Darren Islar: a machine that makes 'white noise'
    Darren Islar: it keeps other noises 'outside'
    Darren Islar: but I also need to close the window to be able to sleep
    Darren Islar: when the birds start singing :)

    Darren Islar: hi guest
    guest: hi
    guest: what is this place?
    Darren Islar: I give you a notecard
    guest: what race do u think i am just by looking at me?
    Darren Islar: huh?
    guest: what race do u think i am by my apperance?
    Darren Islar: I don't know much about Asian people, but I should say Chinese or Japanes
    guest: japense we and chinese are totally different okasiwa jinko bogu?
    Darren Islar: yes, that is what I mean, I don't know much about it
    guest: ohhhhh good bye
    Darren Islar: bye guest
    Darren Islar: note to Sharon: you'd better leave this out of the log, no consent


    Darren Islar: that was apparently important to her
    Darren Islar: she didn't even read the nc
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking, maybe a worker
    Darren Islar: worker?
    Calvino Rabeni: hmmmm
    Darren Islar: meaning?
    Calvino Rabeni: A professional online world troller operating from a corporation
    Darren Islar: ah...ok
    Darren Islar: br b
    Darren Islar: b
    Calvino Rabeni: WB
    Darren Islar: water is back on tonight
    Darren Islar: we didn't had any water
    Calvino Rabeni: for how long?
    Darren Islar: I don't know, a few hours
    Darren Islar: heard that they coudn't start repairing before midnight
    Darren Islar: but it is already on, a few minutes before midnight :)
    Darren Islar: but didn't check in between
    Darren Islar: but thought my washing machine broke down
    Calvino Rabeni: What is the view, from the attic window?
    Darren Islar: sky :)
    Darren Islar: it stands in 45 degrees
    Darren Islar: facing the sky
    Calvino Rabeni: :)


    Darren Islar: you're still busy?
    Darren Islar: except for right now :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I see a very red tree, with as background, many different evergreen trees, with a small cottage hidden within the grove, and a farm patch - the time is mid-afternoon
    Darren Islar: hmmmmm, sounds great
    Calvino Rabeni: (but yes, I'm expecting a RL phone call any second now)
    Darren Islar: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: there are more and more city farmers
    Darren Islar: no houses close around?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there are some houses in other directions
    Darren Islar: but not where you are looking at from your window
    Calvino Rabeni: True. it is the rear view
    Calvino Rabeni: All this forest was not here, when the building was first acquired
    Calvino Rabeni: I was reading an article "future of the city"
    Calvino Rabeni: about the massive cities expected in the future to hold most people
    Calvino Rabeni: it emphasized mostly, technology systems
    Calvino Rabeni: What they didn't get, was the "greening" movement
    Darren Islar: right
    Darren Islar: but it means there were more houses where you live, in the past
    Darren Islar: ?
    Calvino Rabeni: No, just less trees and cultivation of the land that is here
    Darren Islar: ah, ok
    Calvino Rabeni: it is suburban
    Darren Islar: I understand
    Calvino Rabeni: The US didn't have the advantage of density, that older European cities provide
    Darren Islar: If I look outof my window, I see bricks and concrete, a few fences :)
    Calvino Rabeni: About when were the buildings constructed?
    Darren Islar: Here we probably need to choose between small gardens and more green in between the cities
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Darren Islar: Where I live there was a factory before, so it is about 30 years old
    Darren Islar: around that is about late 1900
    Darren Islar: and few more older buildings
    Darren Islar: how old is your house?
    Calvino Rabeni: There are some areas around here with conversions of old factories to new uses - it can be attractive
    Calvino Rabeni: this house, about 1966, and my house, about 1942
    Darren Islar: yes, but I guess it depends how old it is
    Darren Islar: depends on
    Calvino Rabeni: Architects can do attractive things with the shells of old factories
    Calvino Rabeni: even working around the strange shapes of those buildings
    Calvino Rabeni: then it adds interest to the spaces
    Darren Islar: true, but too much around in too expensive areas and in living areas
    Darren Islar: that is when you are struggling with space


    Darren Islar: in those days the factorys were build, the houses around every factory
    Calvino Rabeni: right
    Darren Islar: now factories are placed together, as are living areas
    Calvino Rabeni: the older way had its advantages
    Darren Islar: so a reshifting of 'places'
    Calvino Rabeni: ...but, my phone call is in - need to give it attention
    Darren Islar: ok


    Calvino Rabeni: thanks for the chat - see you later Darren :)
    Darren Islar: cu later Cal

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