2010.06.11 01:00 - Beer, coffee or dandelion wine?

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    Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session.


    We started off with a little gentle geekery.

    Wol Euler: hello calvino

    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Wol

    Wol Euler: how are things?

    Calvino Rabeni: Glitchy, technically

    Wol Euler: oh dear

    Calvino Rabeni: There are a certain number of people whose IMs I don't receive

    Wol Euler: huh

    Wol Euler: and you checked that you hadn't accidentally muted them?

    Calvino Rabeni: How does on mute them?

    Wol Euler: right-click, mute

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: just above "profile" which is how it happens accidentally

    Calvino Rabeni: How does one check whether they are muted?

    Wol Euler: the list of muted people is in the view menu, about two inches down

    Calvino Rabeni: No, those people were not muted

    Calvino Rabeni: It might be a Viewer2 issue

    Wol Euler: perhaps

    Wol Euler: have you set your prefs so that IMs go to your email acct when you are offline?

    Calvino Rabeni: because I can hear them in viewer 1

    Wol Euler: ah, then it's pretty definite :)

    Calvino Rabeni: yes, but I don't get IM's from those people either

    Calvino Rabeni: via email

    Wol Euler: aha!

    Wol Euler: then it's definitely a v2 bug

    Calvino Rabeni: So how could that be about viewer 2, if it happens when I'm not logged in?

    Wol Euler: oh, wait, I misunderstood.

    Wol Euler: it would be interesting to know which viewer they are using, perhaps

    Calvino Rabeni: Although, I'm not sure I tested that

    Wol Euler: it's worth testing, could you ask them to send you an IM at a time when you are offline?

    Calvino Rabeni: because I might have been logged in when they sent the IM and I didn't se it

    Calvino Rabeni: I would have to do that, yes, by prearrangement

    Wol Euler: in that case it would be in the logfile on your computer's hard disk, since you do of course have local logging enabled.

    Calvino Rabeni: yes, but why would it be in the logfile?

    Wol Euler: if it did arrive but you didn't see it, I mean

    Wol Euler: (working through the list of possibilities)

    Calvino Rabeni: I see .... no it is not in the logfile either

    Wol Euler: aha!

    Wol Euler: so it's definitely a SL problem then.

    Wol Euler: do all messages from these people go missing, or only certain ones?

    Calvino Rabeni: All of them, AFAIK

    Wol Euler: do random messages from other people also go missing?


    Wol Euler: (can you tell that I've done customer support at software companies? :)

    Calvino Rabeni: hard to know, I haven't noticed that

    Calvino Rabeni: yes I was suspecting that :)

    Wol Euler grins


    Darren joins us, and the conversation broadens.

    Darren Islar: hi Wol, Calvino

    Wol Euler: hello darren

    Calvino Rabeni: BRB

    Wol Euler: k

    Darren Islar: k

    Wol Euler: so, what's new Darren?

    Darren Islar: new?

    Wol Euler: hello zaldaan

    Darren Islar: my plot I guess

    Wol Euler: oho

    Wol Euler: do tell?

    Darren Islar: hi Zaldaan


    A surprising development.

    Darren Islar: Liza made a little beach

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    Zaldaan Sirnah: Morning.

    Wol Euler: er, which plot is that? the village?

    Darren Islar: it wasn't meant to be, but that is what happened :)

    Darren Islar: yes, Liza's

    Wol Euler: but but but, the village is miles inland!

    Darren Islar: I tried to make a plot where I and others can feel comfortable

    Darren Islar: try to make it inviting


    Zaldaar joins us and the conversation switches track.

    Calvino Rabeni: Good morning Zal

    Darren Islar: I know it is inland :)

    Wol Euler: heheheheh

    Zaldaan Sirnah: I was tring to make a lecture but I don't know how to present it -- never done one before.

    Wol Euler: a lecture in-world?

    Zaldaan Sirnah: I don't know if I should type it out as in chat, or speak it voice..

    Wol Euler: ah

    Wol Euler: use chat

    Darren Islar: so you are invited to have a at least a look :))

    Wol Euler: much preferred by many users (points to self)

    Wol Euler: because we (the readers) can scroll back to re-read

    Darren Islar: use Voice :)

    Wol Euler: :-)

    Wol Euler: you can simplify it by copy & paste rahter than retyping

    Darren Islar: I guess it depends on what you want

    Darren Islar: if it is just a lecture, you better use chat, I agree

    Darren Islar: voice can add something, but is only interesting when it really adds something

    Zaldaan Sirnah: *ponder*


    We return to Liza's beach.

    Wol Euler: stepping back a stage in the conversation :)

    Wol Euler: so liza made a comfortable place, which turned out to mean "a beach" :)

    Darren Islar: yep ::

    Darren Islar: with beachsound

    Darren Islar: a campfire

    Wol Euler smiles

    Darren Islar: relax places to sit

    Calvino Rabeni: I saw the circular area with the picture in the village, was that it?

    Darren Islar: maybe we can organize a beach party

    Darren Islar: with some nice dances afterwards at your plot Wol :)

    Darren Islar: no that is the art exhibition

    Wol Euler: great!

    Darren Islar: my plot isn\t that big


    Stories and where (and when) to tell them.

    Darren Islar: I guess it would also be a nice storytelling place :)

    Wol Euler: we should go and have a look after the session

    Darren Islar: okay

    Calvino Rabeni: yes it would


    Calvino Rabeni: talking across fire seems different than talking across water

    Darren Islar: yes things can get really hot :))

    Darren Islar: but you need to imagine a nice nightly breeze

    Wol Euler nods.

    Wol Euler: campfire, yes; night generally is good for serious conversation

    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, what about 1pm?

    Darren Islar: or mysterious story

    Darren Islar: a session you mean?

    Darren Islar: no recording

    Calvino Rabeni: The 1pm sessions seem most jokey usually, less serious

    Wol Euler smiles

    Darren Islar: ah yes, it's friday :)

    Calvino Rabeni: but it can't be because of the 1, since most participants aren't in SLT zone

    Calvino Rabeni: I think it might be "just got off work" happy hour effect

    Wol Euler: "The weekend starts here!"

    Calvino Rabeni: Or something related to the time it is in eurpoe

    Darren Islar: I think so too, celebrating weekend

    Calvino Rabeni: not just fridays, wol, but I think, every day :)

    Wol Euler: yes, the 1pms are much less serious than the 7pms, sure

    Darren Islar: 1 pm sessions are different

    Calvino Rabeni: I noticed, but the reason seems mysterious still

    Darren Islar: to most europeans it is 9 or 10 o' clock in the evening

    Calvino Rabeni: OK, so tired an punchy, or ready to bed, or already dreaming ....

    Wol Euler: :)


    Darren Islar: yes, something like that


    The conversation takes another surprising turn.

    Calvino Rabeni: Or, well what do europeans do at that time of day ? :)

    Darren Islar: winding down I guess

    Wol Euler: other than being in SL?

    Wol Euler: watching TV, or drinking beer in a bar with friends, or clubbing

    Wol Euler: phone

    Darren Islar: and on saturday night they do it in real life

    Calvino Rabeni: forgive my cultural ignorance, but, in a "beer/bar" culture, where thats a common evening activity, then when at home instead, is there also drinking?

    Darren Islar: My slots are not very well visited :))

    Calvino Rabeni: Guess I'm asking, does the beer go with the club or with the time of day :)

    Darren Islar: I think most poeple at weeknights are sitting in front of the telly

    Darren Islar: the beer/bar thing starts at fridaynight

    Darren Islar: you go out, get home and go to bed

    Darren Islar: in most cases :)

    Darren Islar: and you have the subcultures that live on beer

    Darren Islar: but I don't think you will find those here in the group :)

    Darren Islar: what do you do in the US around 9, 10 pm?

    Wol Euler: back, reading

    Calvino Rabeni: There are a lot of cultures and classes, it's hard to say

    Wol Euler: people do drink at home, I guess, yes. There are many stores where you can buy beer (or water) by the case

    Wol Euler: amusingly, I read that Germans actually drink more coffee per head than beer

    Darren Islar: Americans don't do that?

    Calvino Rabeni: Do what?

    Darren Islar: drinking at home?

    Darren Islar: with friends

    Wol Euler remembers and smiles.

    Zaldaan Sirnah: are there few americans here?

    Zaldaan Sirnah: I'm in Los Angeles

    Calvino Rabeni: I'd say, most don't, if I had to guess

    Wol Euler: for certain values of "a few", yes :)


    How much is enough?

    Wol Euler: last summer, at the RL/SL wedding, we took turns making dinner for the 20 or so of us. I planned to serve wine with mine, and thought that I'd get a half-dozen bottles for 20 people.

    Wol Euler: by German standards, that would be not nearly enough.

    Wol Euler: the hosts told me it was far too much, and indeed only one bottle was emptied

    Darren Islar: one bottle???

    Wol Euler: exactly.

    Darren Islar: that wouldn't have been enough here either

    Darren Islar: in Holland I mean

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Darren Islar: how odd

    Darren Islar: I mean different lifestyles

    Wol Euler: yep

    Wol Euler: most of the wedding party drank only water or soda-pop

    Wol Euler: though very few refused margaritas :)

    Wol Euler: heh

    Darren Islar: hahaha

    Darren Islar: so what did you do with the other 19 bottles?

    Wol Euler: oh no, I took the advice to heart and bought only two bottles :)

    Wol Euler: the second is probably still there, waiting to be consumed

    Darren Islar: :))))

    Wol Euler: different strokes for different folks, as they used to say.

    Darren Islar: yes, but I have a feeling about for instance the German culture

    Darren Islar: but US, I apparently have no idea :)

    Wol Euler: I was surprised



    Coffee time.

    Calvino Rabeni: In western USA, there's a starbucks on every streetcorner

    Darren Islar: I can imagine :)

    Darren Islar: I probably would have bought 3 bottles to make sure

    Darren Islar: Starbucks yes

    Calvino Rabeni: (almost not an exaggeration) And there's still room for plenty of competition in that business

    Zaldaan Sirnah: The crowd varies. I attended an electronics hackers group and they brought some weird liquor in a large box device (which I didn't see up close to see if that's just the way it's ordered, or if it went along with their many equipment hacks)...

    Darren Islar: not a concept that works here very well

    Wol Euler: the position of Starbucks on the bellcurve of coffee quality is different in Europe

    Zaldaan Sirnah: An hour or two later most people had passed through that end. It seemed non-drinking was the minority.

    Wol Euler: in the US, it's well above the mean; here, it's below

    Calvino Rabeni: There's a lot of Do It Yourself subcultures - some like brewing and distilling

    Wol Euler: home winemaking, from strange ingredients

    Calvino Rabeni: A lot of binge drinking in colleges

    Wol Euler: turnip and raspberry wine

    Zaldaan Sirnah: A friend of mine, who ran a coffee shop, told me the coffee used by those chains was not even low grade, but the grade used for landscaping/decoration!

    Calvino Rabeni: Right, or dandelion wine, or nettle (yum)

    Wol Euler believes it

    Zaldaan Sirnah: I pulled a dandilion and made tea of its roots one time.

    Zaldaan Sirnah: dande

    Darren Islar: and that is considered to be good coffee?

    Calvino Rabeni: I doubt that account

    Wol Euler: it's what americans grow up with.

    Calvino Rabeni: No, not any more


    A twinge of geekery.

    Zaldaan Sirnah: In some coding-speak we use s/dandi/dande/ to change our spelling. :)

    Wol Euler: in my childhood there'd be a coffee maker sitting in the corner of every office, they'd make a gallon in the morning and it would sit there stewing and brewing all day long

    Darren Islar: I can remember an American/German movie in which the german woman says about coffee: brown wasser

    Darren Islar: braun wasser - brown wather

    Wol Euler: Alice in den Städten, perhaps?

    Darren Islar: no it is a well known title, though the movie isn't

    Calvino Rabeni: Zal, feel free to use regexes in chat here if you like :)

    Wol Euler: yep, the majority would get it

    Darren Islar: but they made an american sitcome out of it

    Darren Islar: but I can't imagine Wol, coffee stewing and brewing all day long

    Zaldaan Sirnah: perl -pi.bak -e 's/dandilion/dandelion/' `find . -name '*.txt'`

    Wol Euler: it was really nasty, but that was what "coffee" was.

    Darren Islar: yek!!

    Zaldaan Sirnah: that one command would make a copy of every .txt file to .txt.bak, and the original would have all occurances of the word replaced in it.

    Wol Euler: in small towns in out-of-the-way places, that is still the norm.

    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, we *all* speak command line Perl :)

    Wol Euler: *really small towns, now.

    Wol Euler can read it but doesn't speak it.

    Darren Islar can neither

    Calvino Rabeni: Every small town in the West has at least one roadside espresso drive- through stand

    Darren Islar: and that is good coffee?

    Zaldaan Sirnah: Coffee, especially with sugar, tends to be bad for my skin.


    Another visitor drops in, and immediately starts to circle around us at high speed.

    Zaldaan Sirnah: Fael

    Darren Islar: hi Fael

    Wol Euler sees a circling yellow dot on the map and says "Hello fael" without looking up

    Fael Innovia: Hi Everyone :)

    Fael Innovia giggles.

    Calvino Rabeni: Too much espresso, Fael?

    Darren Islar: :)

    Fael Innovia: Wow, quite a dress, Wol :)

    Wol Euler: ty :)

    Wol Euler: part of my "30 outfits in 30 days" project

    Wol Euler: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24049707@N06/

    Zaldaan Sirnah: Man that's fun. Get's my heart pumping.

    Darren Islar: I can't wait to see how you are going to look tonight :)

    Calvino Rabeni: !

    Fael Innovia: meep! :)

    Zaldaan Sirnah: If you have yet to recognize the phenomenon I recommend you up and run as Fael did!

    Wol Euler grins.

    Darren Islar: :)

    Zaldaan Sirnah: When does today end, Wol?

    Wol Euler: I am already in your tomorrow :)

    Wol Euler: my day ends around 2pm SL time

    Wol Euler: this is yesterday's outfit, I didn't have time to change before coming here

    Zaldaan Sirnah: (Because you were wearing that outfit yesterday, SLT, too)

    Zaldaan Sirnah: oh

    Calvino Rabeni: Slept in your clothes, then?

    Wol Euler: yep :)

    Wol Euler: but not under my desk at work, I do have some standards


    Darren Islar: not easy to sleep that way :)

    Calvino Rabeni: Forgot to go home from the office?

    Darren Islar: hahah


    The session winds down, and we go our ways.

    Darren Islar: I'm going to 'my beach'

    Darren Islar: anyone that likes to come around is welcome

    Wol Euler: and I should probably get ready for work, though I really don't want to.

    Darren Islar: hmmm, still have a good time Wol

    Fael Innovia: have fun Darren :)

    Wol Euler: heh

    Darren Islar: and Cal and Fael and Zal :)

    Wol Euler: bye darren, I'll see the beach anohter time

    Darren Islar: ok

    Calvino Rabeni: Don't forget to write :)

    Calvino Rabeni: Well then, I'm off also :)

    Wol Euler sighs

    Fael Innovia: have fun Cal :)

    Wol Euler: goodbye, friends. enjoy the day/evening/night

    Fael Innovia: Have fun Wol :)

    Wol Euler: unlikely.

    Fael Innovia: even so :)

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