2010.06.12 13:00 - Soccer, what else?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Darren Islar. The comments are by Darren Islar.


    As most saturdays lately, it started of quietly, some people coming in late, but this time not really getting busy. So we talked about everything and nothing, with the most interesting thing what football means to us


    Darren Islar: hi Wester


    Wester Kiranov: hi darren


        --BELL--


    Bertram Jacobus: hy lady and gentleman :-)


    Darren Islar: hi

    Bert
Bertram Jacobus: some in soccer feaver ? and not here therefor may be ? ;-)


    Darren Islar: probably

    
Darren Islar: and saturdays are slow nowadays


    Darren Islar: sometimes it starts at 2 pm slt instead of 1 pm :)
Wester Kiranov: hi bert - sorry, got distracted


    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes i see ... myself - i´m so much with my gf here in sl ... that i sometimes am not so much here ... hm ... feel a bit sry sometimes about that - but the day has only 24 hours, one has to set preferences etc. ...


    Bertram Jacobus: np at all - hy wester again ! :-) *wave*


    Wester Kiranov: *waves back*


    Darren Islar: well you're here regularly, and even not, no reason to apologize


    Bertram Jacobus: ty darren :-))


    Bertram Jacobus: i appreciate so much that all here are so kind ...


    Darren Islar: so do I :)


    Bertram Jacobus: i find that very supporting ...


    Wester Kiranov: i agree
Bertram Jacobus: and to be here with interesting topics and calm sometimes - so good ! ...


    Darren Islar: any topic one of you like to talk about?


    the Stuttgart and other retreats


    Bertram Jacobus: this is in my mind : won´t you be at the stuttgart retreat in autumn ? (shall not be pushing plz) ...


    Darren Islar: me? no


    Bertram Jacobus: why not ? (if i may ask)
Darren Islar: my body can't handle that, too intense


    Wester Kiranov: I would have loved to come to Stuttgart, but the people that usually babysit my children in these kind of things are on vacation at that time. So I can't


    Bertram Jacobus: aww - okay - "i see" and accept, for sure ! ...


    Darren Islar: I only have energy for a few hours a day


    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - is there a perspective that that can be more in future perhaps darren ? (always : please stop me if i ask too much)


    Darren Islar: not at the moment no

    
Darren Islar: and if there is progress it is very slow
Bertram Jacobus: "damn" ... ma best wishes to you ! ...


    Darren Islar: thanks Bert :)


        --BELL--


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone


    Darren Islar: hi Yaku


    Wester Kiranov: hi yaku


    Bertram Jacobus: hello mr. tea ! :-D

    Bertram Jacobus: but may be once ... if yo´d also like to ... will be a chance to take part, both ... for sure it´s no "must" (also always) ... i´m still working on it to be able to be there ... hm - reduce costs especially ... ;-)


    Darren Islar: well there is also another reason

    
Darren Islar: I also miss the retreats with my teacher
Darren Islar: and I find them more important

    
Darren Islar: so I'm afraid it will take a long time


    Bertram Jacobus: i see - may i ask, who it is ?


    Darren Islar: or a miracle of course :)


    Bertram Jacobus: hihi - yes

    
Darren Islar: Gehlek Rimpolche
Bertram Jacobus: "one never knows"


    Darren Islar: Rimpochee
Darren Islar: no :)
Bertram Jacobus: ah - you have a web site of him ?


    Darren Islar: of my Sangha


    Bertram Jacobus: may i see ?
Darren Islar: oops


    Darren Islar: sure, need to find it :)
Bertram Jacobus: hihi - ty ... :-)


    Darren Islar: www.jewelheart.nl


    Bertram Jacobus: yaku ? no seat ?


    Darren Islar: that is Holland


    Bertram Jacobus: ty ! typing ... sure
Darren Islar: jewelheart.org

    
Darren Islar: this is the states


    Darren Islar: still rezzing Yaku?


    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes


    Darren Islar: and so many empty seats and you choose Wester's

    
Darren Islar: :)

    Bertram Jacobus: yess have it - the english site - ty again ! :-)


    Darren Islar: do you have a teacher Bert?

    
Bertram Jacobus: some, yes, but it changes now and then ...


    Darren Islar: okay


    Bertram Jacobus: where did you join retreats with gelek rinpoche darren ? in holland ?


    Darren Islar: yes


    Darren Islar: he comes to Holland twice a year


    Bertram Jacobus: ah great - amsterdam ?
Darren Islar: but it is about 4 or 5 years I went on a retreat


    Darren Islar: no Nymegen


    Darren Islar: that is the Dutch base


    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay ...
Bertram Jacobus: i see


    Darren Islar: is most of the time doing a lecture in Amsterdam


    Bertram Jacobus: is it far away from your place ?


    Darren Islar: and sorry, I should say Nijmegen


    Darren Islar: an hours drive

    
Bertram Jacobus: great - not very far !


    Darren Islar: too far for me


    Bertram Jacobus: aww ... again - best wishes ! ...

    
Bertram Jacobus: oops - gesture (?) ... hm (sry)


    Wester Kiranov: hi ara


    arabella Ella: Hiya sorry I am late :)


    Bertram Jacobus: hi ara la bella :-)


    Darren Islar: hi Ara
arabella Ella: :)


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ara :)


    Darren Islar: until now a retreat means you go home every day

    Darren Islar: there are making a place now to be able to stay the night


    Bertram Jacobus: ah !
Darren Islar: but the building looks swell


    Darren Islar: that is on the inside

    
Darren Islar: a lot of work have been done
arabella Ella: where in Holland is this Darren?


    Darren Islar: in Nijmegen


    Darren Islar: it is the Dutch home-base of my teacher

    
arabella Ella: ah I know Nijmegen ... a bridge too far :)


    Darren Islar: he comes twice a year
Darren Islar: :)

    Wester Kiranov: I have to go now, sorry. Nice to see you all


    Wester Kiranov: bye
arabella Ella: Bye Wester lovely to c u!
Bertram Jacobus: bye wester - have a good time


    Darren Islar: bye Wester :)
        --BELL--


    Long distance friend and a new friend for me

    arabella Ella: I once had good friends in Ooij close to Nijmegen but lost touch unfortunately!


    Darren Islar: it is often hard to stay in touch when there is a long distance between friends

    
arabella Ella: yes and that was in the pre-internet era when it was even more difficult

    
arabella Ella: today it is easier

    
arabella Ella: with email and MSN and FB and whatever


    Darren Islar: much easiers yes
Bertram Jacobus: what is FB ? :-)

    
arabella Ella: Facebook


    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! silly me ! :o)
arabella Ella smiles, you should know Bert :)

    
Bertram Jacobus: manbo!


    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
arabella Ella: cool


    Darren Islar: just joined facebook a few days ago

    
Bertram Jacobus: stop


    Bertram Jacobus: :o) - dont you have them ara ? :-)
    arabella Ella: no Bert


    arabella Ella: thanks Bert

    
Bertram Jacobus: (that were the small ones) ;-)


    arabella Ella: oh if you wish to link to me I will IM you Darren :)
    Darren Islar: oh, that wood be nice



    Bleu Oleander: hi all
Darren Islar: hi Bleu

    
Bertram Jacobus: hi bleu ! :-)

    
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu


    Bertram Jacobus: waaa ! a blue bleu and many ! :o)

    
Bleu Oleander: brought my friends :)


    Darren Islar: hahaha

    
Bertram Jacobus: frightening ... ;-)


    arabella Ella: Hiya Bleu


    Darren Islar: Bleus :)


     

    and of course: soccer!!!!!



    arabella Ella: I just got home from watching the world cup match

    
arabella Ella: USA England


    Bertram Jacobus: 1:1 ?

    
arabella Ella: very sad as it ended in 1-1 draw

    
arabella Ella: yes unfortunately


    arabella Ella: due to bad lucky for england


    arabella Ella: their goalie made a bad mistake


    Darren Islar: you're an England fan aren't you?


    arabella Ella: yes of course :)


    Darren Islar: of course ???? :))


    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - so all have still chances ... ?

    
arabella Ella smiles

    
arabella Ella: maybe

    
arabella Ella: but i hoped England would win tonight so very disappointed


    arabella Ella: my grandma was English


    arabella Ella: and as you know we were a British colony

    
Yakuzza Lethecus: so was america :)


    Bertram Jacobus: ooohhh hihi hehe haha - "may the best win"
arabella Ella: yes it is fun and an opportunity to party


    Darren Islar: ah, okay, well then it is all right :)))


    arabella Ella: yes any excuse for a party


    Bertram Jacobus: but these ... how are they called vuzuvelas ? these sound trumpets are really ugly aren´t they ? ;o)


    arabella Ella: he he

    
arabella Ella: you honestly think they are ugly?


    Bertram Jacobus: because they change the sound in the stadiums so intense


    Bertram Jacobus: my beloved patterns !
arabella Ella: makes for more atmosphere

    
arabella Ella: and one thing i hope with this world cup

    
arabella Ella: that it will help the ugly ghost of racism to perhaps get lessened


    Bertram Jacobus: yess - i think, it´s wonderful for africa


    arabella Ella: after all we are all human beings all born the same


    Darren Islar: if that would be the result, that surely would be great

    
arabella Ella: i am just hopeful


    arabella Ella: as racism in europe has become very ugly


    Darren Islar: ah, finally, I was already wondering why we were so far apart?


    arabella Ella: yipee ... symmetry!


    Darren Islar: yes, there is a turn around surely

    
arabella Ella: hope so


    Darren Islar: well it is more cosey and easier for my camera :)

    
arabella Ella smiles


    Darren Islar: are you making another box Yaku?


    Yakuzza Lethecus: box ?


    arabella Ella: he is busy with his tea


    Darren Islar: :)


    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know why they spawn sometimes


    arabella Ella: funny how four of us here are on same time zone at the moment


    Darren Islar: your arm was pointing somewhere


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i never make boxes intentionally

    
arabella Ella: unintentionally then?


    Darren Islar: :))


    Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe it´s an issue with the interchangeable use of different clients


        --BELL--

    Bleu Oleander: have fun everyone .... see you later :)

    
Bertram Jacobus: bye bleu - same same plz


    arabella Ella: bye

    Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu


    Darren Islar: by bleu


    Bertram Jacobus: somebody would like to go to my place still a bit, hang around, may be dance also a bit ? have a look, talk , visit ? :-)


    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, why not talking a bit ?

    
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful - how about you ara and darren ?

    
Yakuzza Lethecus: ara, darren ?


    Darren Islar: no thanks, I stay here

    
arabella Ella: yes of course

    
arabella Ella: i need to chill too :)


    Darren Islar: then I wish you all a good time :))


    Yakuzza Lethecus: night darren

    
Bertram Jacobus: is it okay in that way for us all ?

    
arabella Ella: will you TP me then Bert?


    Darren Islar: night all :)

    
Bertram Jacobus: yes, sure ! :-)

    
arabella Ella: good night Darren and thanks again :)


    Darren Islar: nite :)

    
Bertram Jacobus: good nite darren - cu soon

    
Yakuzza Lethecus: talking in voice right ?


    Darren Islar: hi Zen


    Zen Arado:

    Hi Darren, Ara


    Zen Arado: quiet tonight?


    Darren Islar: yep

    
Darren Islar: a few just left

    
Zen Arado: I was watching football

    
arabella Ella: Hiya Zen me too


    Zen Arado: a bit disappointing
arabella Ella: very disappointing

    
arabella Ella: so unfortunate


    Zen Arado: suppose we shouldn't talk about football in PAB

    
arabella Ella: due to Green's error


    Zen Arado: :)


    Zen Arado: yes

    
Darren Islar: well you can :))

    
arabella Ella: well if you see my FB page I found a link between football, art and philosophy which is very interesting :)

    
Darren Islar: nog very interesting to me though


    Zen Arado: see what page?


    arabella Ella: let me find it give me a minute pls


    Zen Arado: ok sure


    Darren Islar: sounds interesting ara

    
arabella Ella: this is it


    arabella Ella: http://www.apexart.org/exhibitions/critchley.htm

    arabella Ella: there is an art exhibition in USA called men with balls


    arabella Ella: and simon critchley who is a philosopher is curator


    Darren Islar: men with balls :))


    arabella Ella: and they created a space for World Cup viewing


    Zen Arado: ok thanks

    
arabella Ella: he he

    
arabella Ella: simon also wrote a very interesting piece


        --BELL--


    arabella Ella: where he calls football ballet for the working class


    Zen Arado: "The World Cup is a spectacle in the strictly Situationist sense. It is a shiny display of nations in symbolic, atavistic national combat adorned with multiple layers of commodification, sponsorship and the seemingly infinite commercialization. It is an image of our age at its worst and most gaudy. But it is also something more, something bound up with difficult and recalcitrant questions of conflict, memory, history, place, social class, masculinity, violence, national identity, tribe, and group."
Zen Arado: like that


    arabella Ella nods

    
Darren Islar: wow


    Zen Arado: it's a lot about proving our nationality is better than others isn't it?

    
arabella Ella: i must go now good night ... and well Zen it revives our 'tribal' instinct in acceptable ways somehow


    Darren Islar: I don't know if that is the case anymore


    Darren Islar: bye Ara :)
Z

    en Arado: abye Ara

    
Darren Islar: I think we are addicted to the thrill more


    Zen Arado: acceptable ways yes I guess

    
Zen Arado: yes bit we love to see our team win


    Darren Islar: yes, but that is where the thrill is coming from I guess

    
Darren Islar: you need to favour someone

    
Darren Islar: in order to get the thrill


    Darren Islar: or is it really a 'tribe' thing


    Zen Arado: I lose a lot of interest if England are put out

    
Zen Arado: it is ego on a national scale


    Zen Arado: but better than war

    
Darren Islar: hahahah


    Zen Arado: and maybe we need it to dissipate aggression

    
Zen Arado: in a harmless way


    Darren Islar: i wonder if that is really the case with all those hooligans


    Zen Arado: well - they take it too far


    Darren Islar: but maybe aggression grows without it

    
Darren Islar: hard to say i guess


    Zen Arado: yes - think it's natural with young men


    Zen Arado: some of them

    
Zen Arado: I mustn't generalise


    Darren Islar: it is hard to say what the world would look like without soccer

    
Zen Arado: or any international games


    Zen Arado: or Olympics


    Darren Islar: and national


    Darren Islar: yes but Olympics doesn't seem to involve aggression

    
Zen Arado: must be an urge to compete with others

    
Darren Islar: yes, hard to explain it in another way


    Zen Arado: some Olympic sports seem to descend from fighting skills

    
Zen Arado: like javelin throwing


    Darren Islar: that is true


    Zen Arado: boxing, wrestling, archery


    Darren Islar: well it is about muscles and skills

    
Zen Arado: to prove you are better at something than anyone else in the world


    Darren Islar: about finding your own limitation

    
Darren Islar: or about not excepting that limitation


    Darren Islar: yes, only being the best is good enough

    
Zen Arado: hmmmm...but most are more concerned to win medals

    
Darren Islar: well Olympics has a more middleclass feeling


    Darren Islar: soccer more lower class

    
Darren Islar: different styles
Darren Islar: but nonetheless probably the same thing


    Zen Arado: yes


        --BELL--


    Zen Arado: getting late
Z

    en Arado: I better go do my meditation

    
Zen Arado: and go to bed


    Darren Islar: okay Zen

    
Darren Islar: same here :)


    Zen Arado: :)


    Darren Islar: see you :)


    Zen Arado: ok nice discussion


    Zen Arado: bye


    Darren Islar: bye
     

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