2010.06.13 07:00 - Education, Not Something we Have

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

I was joined by Agatha, Eliza and a silent Zaldaan for most of the session and a Newcomer, Veronica, who joined us for a bit. Yakuzza also joined us quietly for the second half of the session

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Adams my dear :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi zaldaan
Adams Rubble: Zaldaan seems to be away from the computer
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, ok
Adams Rubble: How are you thbis afternoon, Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Liz :))
Adams Rubble: Good morning Eliza :)

World Cup

Agatha Macbeth: Fine thanks, just listening to the worl cup on the radio
Agatha Macbeth: +d
Eliza Madrigal: Good Morning! :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Serbia v Ghana- just kicked off
Adams Rubble: ahhh
Adams Rubble: I saw the end of the US-England match
Adams Rubble: very exciting
Agatha Macbeth groans
Agatha Macbeth: You missed the funny bit then! :(
Agatha Macbeth: My God...
Agatha Macbeth: I could have saved that
Adams Rubble giggles
Adams Rubble: sometimes in Sports it is the easy things that are missed. he made a good save on a tough one
Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to say I've watched none of it this year... though I think it is the sport that translates best to tv
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, he did make a good stop in the second half, agreed
Agatha Macbeth: Not a footy person eh Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: Actually I really enjoy it... tried to impose it on my son for a few years and drove my family crazy staying in to watch it while on vacation one year....
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Eliza Madrigal: but I'm not great about keeping up :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aw
Eliza Madrigal: guess I'm a circumstancial viewer :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Adams Rubble: The US women's team has provided lots of excitement the past few years
Agatha Macbeth: Having said that, I don't seem to catch much of the NFL or Major League baseball action these days either
Agatha Macbeth: (Usually on too late)
Eliza Madrigal notices that Agatha wears fancy boots even with football fan attire... Great :))
Adams Rubble giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Girlish idiosyncracy? ;-)
Adams Rubble: toughing it out :)
Eliza Madrigal: general ferociousness
Agatha Macbeth: Or something...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Is that Scribe slot you wanted me to do still ok then Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: Of course Agatha! I'm really looking forward to seeing your first scribe :))
Agatha Macbeth: Great. Looking forward to it!
Adams Rubble remembers that one is due
Eliza Madrigal: I get a kick out of your chat logs already... heh
Agatha Macbeth: Just hope the logs get posted... :p
Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
Eliza Madrigal: Yes.... something to talk about in the guardian session I think...
Eliza Madrigal: when people are on vacation and others are filling in the list of unposted logs gets a bit long
Adams Rubble: It seemed to get better for a while
Agatha Macbeth: We need to get Wol standing over them with a whip :))
Eliza Madrigal: yes, both. hah
Adams Rubble: Wol has been great posting the unposted logs for months unheralded
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Eliza Madrigal: I must admit that I've been sending fewer direct email reminders too...
Agatha Macbeth: And Cal too, I believe
Eliza Madrigal: Indeed, Thank goodness for Wol
Agatha Macbeth smiles wistfully
Adams Rubble: Yes Cal did it recently
Agatha Macbeth: 'All pull together...'
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: (The Eton boating song btw)
Eliza Madrigal: It sounded like an alma matter of some sort... especially since I've been hearing so many lately... heh
Agatha Macbeth grins
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: A quick annnouncement from me: It is the last day of the Narratove Art Exhibit at the Museum of Sacred Art
Agatha Macbeth: Eton and harrow are two best known private schools here. I don't think the US has a direct equivalent
Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I need to wander through today! I saw your notice when I signed on :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, doubtful that it does, Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: No particular topic, was hoping to be sparked :))
Adams Rubble: :)

Education as a topic

Agatha Macbeth: Well, how about Education, since we are on the subject...
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, as in 'the future of Education' ?
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Eliza Madrigal: (btw Zaldaan is up to his tricks again I see - giggles )
Agatha Macbeth: Does education help to make us better people perhaps?
Adams Rubble: what are they?
Adams Rubble: the tricks, that is
Eliza Madrigal: (quiet sitting mostly it seems)
Agatha Macbeth: I notice he seems to have a heart poofer a la Fael
Eliza Madrigal thinks that it really depends on the context of the 'education'...
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: Having three children, we've tried so many angles and types... shapes and sizes of schools...
Eliza Madrigal: and of course the internet factor really shakes things up
Agatha Macbeth: Well the net has helped things certainly
Agatha Macbeth: Makes plagiarism a lot easier too [grins]
Eliza Madrigal: it helps, and it also wildly changes the game... where you need to go for what information... and what packaging one must accept, etc

Veronica Joins Us and We Share notes about practice

Adams Rubble: Hello Veronica
Eliza Madrigal: Quite true, Ag, though they have incredible anti-plagiarism systems now
Adams Rubble: Come and join us if you like
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Veronica :))
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Veronica
Adams Rubble: Have you been here before Veronica?
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Veronica Pettirosso: no it's my first time
Eliza Madrigal: It is a little worrisome, considering there is nothing 'new under the sun', and a computer might change someone's entire life
Veronica Pettirosso: i'm italian... sorry for language
Eliza Madrigal: Not at all Veronica. Welcome :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Adams Rubble: Welcome :)
Adams Rubble: did you get a notecard when you arrived?
Veronica Pettirosso: ty to all
Veronica Pettirosso: yes
Veronica Pettirosso: what do u do here
Adams Rubble: We record our conversations here and post them to a Wiki
Adams Rubble: Do you have any objections to that?
Veronica Pettirosso: no
Agatha Macbeth: That is a very good question Veronica, we often ask ourselves the same thing :)
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: We try to look at what we are rather than what we have
Eliza Madrigal giggles at Agatha
Veronica Pettirosso takes a most humble bow
Adams Rubble: we have one basic exrecise and that is stopping every 15 minutes to meditate for 9 seconds
Veronica Pettirosso: good
Adams Rubble: we meet here four times a day to discuss our experiences
Adams Rubble: different people are here for each meeting of course (giggles)
Agatha Macbeth: Though the discussions tend to be wide-ranging :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Yak :)
Agatha Macbeth: (Like I said,,,)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku :)
Veronica Pettirosso: hi yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey there
Adams Rubble: Do you practice Buddhism in RL Veronica?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :))
Veronica Pettirosso: meditation
Veronica Pettirosso: i know buddhism and other ways
Veronica Pettirosso: sufi, yoga...
Adams Rubble: You will find many here with similar interests
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Veronica Pettirosso: fine
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice
Veronica Pettirosso: i'm open to explore many practices
Agatha Macbeth: I always find that to be the best option ;-)
Veronica Pettirosso: opinio is ever an opinion
Veronica Pettirosso: but the truth is inside evryone
Eliza Madrigal: This seems a place that may suit you then Veronica. Lots of different practices and personalities here.... Mostly we share notes and a few explorations
Agatha Macbeth nods. Just a case of finding it :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: of not getting in the way of its expression perhaps...
Eliza Madrigal: which sounds like such a simple thing at first eh? :))
Veronica Pettirosso: sorry but i don't understand everything
Agatha Macbeth: Who does? :p
Veronica Pettirosso: and my expressione is poor
Adams Rubble: your expression is fine Veronica :)
Eliza Madrigal: Not at all, Veronica. you seem quite clear
Agatha Macbeth: yep
Veronica Pettirosso: ok

Back to Education

Adams Rubble: Before you came we were beginning to discuss education
Veronica Pettirosso: good
Veronica Pettirosso: continue please
Adams Rubble: Of course we make a mistake if we take education or degrees as something we have :)
Agatha Macbeth will be right back.
Adams Rubble: or take on our school's persona
Eliza Madrigal: Indeed
Adams Rubble: we are always learning until the day we die
Veronica Pettirosso: and ever after die
Veronica Pettirosso: i think
Adams Rubble: No one has come back to tell us whether we learn after we die :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, an important distinction... there are various containers, and its easy to identify with them perhaps
Agatha Macbeth: back
Eliza Madrigal: When my daughter graduated high school this past week... I watched as she shed her skin, in a way.... letting go of the setting she's identified with strongly for the last 4 years
Adams Rubble: nice to celebrate the steps we take :)
Agatha Macbeth: 'Stopping and dropping'?
Eliza Madrigal: It was difficult for her... still is, precisely because she had such a great, though difficult experience
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
Agatha Macbeth: Why difficult Liz?
Adams Rubble: in some ways, we step outside a box
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, growing up is not easy for all :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well it wasn't for me ;-)
Adams Rubble: we can be defined by our setting
Agatha Macbeth: Agreedd, Adams
Agatha Macbeth: Agreed
Agatha Macbeth: (Even)
Eliza Madrigal: Especially when its hard, one can feel they 'finally' figure something out and its time to change :))
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth understands that
Adams Rubble: I hated when I graduated from college. I thought it was the end of fun and would have to go to work
Adams Rubble: no one told me that learning would go on and work could be fun
Eliza Madrigal: !!
Agatha Macbeth: We go on learning and developing throughout our lives
Agatha Macbeth: There is always something new
Adams Rubble: Of course I've stayed in the academic world and really haven;t graduated yet :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth grins
--BELL--
Veronica Pettirosso: ty to all but i go
Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes I think our early educational systems encourage a kind of non-participatory way of learning which undermines the process...
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye veronica
Veronica Pettirosso: see you
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you Veronica :)
Adams Rubble: nice to meet you Veronica. We do have others coming here from Italy
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao Veronica
Adams Rubble: hope you can come back
Veronica Pettirosso: yes
Veronica Pettirosso: bye
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: bye :)
Eliza Madrigal: so I've encouraged my kids to be auto-didactic, while even within systems... to see the settings as something 'they' take the initiative to draw from...
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: So far with the girls, they seem to manage that way
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Eliza Madrigal: it seems to make a difference... otherwise there is this tension of hm... imposition,etc. and the joy is lost
Adams Rubble: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we always have to contend with imposition of course
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Others wish to make us in their own image
Eliza Madrigal: Indeed
Eliza Madrigal: pernicious idea ... 'this' is a picture of success, worthihood, normality, etc
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, definitely
Eliza Madrigal: maybe the internet first of all makes it at least 'possible' to get around or undermine that tendency...
Eliza Madrigal: to poke holes in it (like the 9 seconds ;- )
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's the holes that are intersting! :)
Eliza Madrigal: !!
Agatha Macbeth: Rather than what's around them
Eliza Madrigal: maybe...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: There is lots of useless knowledge and there is as much oin the internet as anywhere :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes Adams, I totally agree
Eliza Madrigal: yes... for me its more the idea of the potential of it...
Agatha Macbeth: There is an awful lot of cr*p on the net, as elsewhere...
Eliza Madrigal: we haven't scratched the surface of understanding how to work with so many choices and floods of information
Agatha Macbeth: True indeed Liz
Agatha Macbeth: And perhaps working that out is half the fun :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: maybe one of the questions is "What are we searching for?"
Eliza Madrigal: A quote this week... wish I'd saved it... was something like 'the itnernet also makes it easier for me to find things I wasn't looking for'
Agatha Macbeth: That is *always* a good question Adams!
Eliza Madrigal: The quest ... ion
Adams Rubble: hehe Eliza
Agatha Macbeth grins @ Eliza's quote
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Guradian session coming up folks...
Eliza Madrigal: Ah yes.. time to wander over...
Adams Rubble: I will have to miiss it tdaY
Eliza Madrigal: Hope my email re chat logs wasn't too strong....

I just saw it and it was perfect, Eliza

Agatha Macbeth: I will walk, as always :)
Adams Rubble: nice to see you all :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Adams, you too! :) Have a lovely Sunday
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Adams, take care :)
Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Adams :))