2010.06.13 07:00 - Education, Not Something we Have

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    I was joined by Agatha, Eliza and a silent Zaldaan for most of the session and a Newcomer, Veronica, who joined us for a bit. Yakuzza also joined us quietly for the second half of the session

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Adams my dear :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi zaldaan
    Adams Rubble: Zaldaan seems to be away from the computer
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, ok
    Adams Rubble: How are you thbis afternoon, Agatha?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Liz :))
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Eliza :)

    World Cup

    Agatha Macbeth: Fine thanks, just listening to the worl cup on the radio
    Agatha Macbeth: +d
    Eliza Madrigal: Good Morning! :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Serbia v Ghana- just kicked off
    Adams Rubble: ahhh
    Adams Rubble: I saw the end of the US-England match
    Adams Rubble: very exciting
    Agatha Macbeth groans
    Agatha Macbeth: You missed the funny bit then! :(
    Agatha Macbeth: My God...
    Agatha Macbeth: I could have saved that
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Adams Rubble: sometimes in Sports it is the easy things that are missed. he made a good save on a tough one
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to say I've watched none of it this year... though I think it is the sport that translates best to tv
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, he did make a good stop in the second half, agreed
    Agatha Macbeth: Not a footy person eh Liz?
    Eliza Madrigal: Actually I really enjoy it... tried to impose it on my son for a few years and drove my family crazy staying in to watch it while on vacation one year....
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Eliza Madrigal: but I'm not great about keeping up :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw
    Eliza Madrigal: guess I'm a circumstancial viewer :)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Adams Rubble: The US women's team has provided lots of excitement the past few years
    Agatha Macbeth: Having said that, I don't seem to catch much of the NFL or Major League baseball action these days either
    Agatha Macbeth: (Usually on too late)
    Eliza Madrigal notices that Agatha wears fancy boots even with football fan attire... Great :))
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: Girlish idiosyncracy? ;-)
    Adams Rubble: toughing it out :)
    Eliza Madrigal: general ferociousness
    Agatha Macbeth: Or something...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that Scribe slot you wanted me to do still ok then Liz?
    Eliza Madrigal: Of course Agatha! I'm really looking forward to seeing your first scribe :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Great. Looking forward to it!
    Adams Rubble remembers that one is due
    Eliza Madrigal: I get a kick out of your chat logs already... heh
    Agatha Macbeth: Just hope the logs get posted... :p
    Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes.... something to talk about in the guardian session I think...
    Eliza Madrigal: when people are on vacation and others are filling in the list of unposted logs gets a bit long
    Adams Rubble: It seemed to get better for a while
    Agatha Macbeth: We need to get Wol standing over them with a whip :))
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, both. hah
    Adams Rubble: Wol has been great posting the unposted logs for months unheralded
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: I must admit that I've been sending fewer direct email reminders too...
    Agatha Macbeth: And Cal too, I believe
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed, Thank goodness for Wol
    Agatha Macbeth smiles wistfully
    Adams Rubble: Yes Cal did it recently
    Agatha Macbeth: 'All pull together...'
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: (The Eton boating song btw)
    Eliza Madrigal: It sounded like an alma matter of some sort... especially since I've been hearing so many lately... heh
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: A quick annnouncement from me: It is the last day of the Narratove Art Exhibit at the Museum of Sacred Art
    Agatha Macbeth: Eton and harrow are two best known private schools here. I don't think the US has a direct equivalent
    Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss?
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I need to wander through today! I saw your notice when I signed on :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Adams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, doubtful that it does, Agatha
    Eliza Madrigal: No particular topic, was hoping to be sparked :))
    Adams Rubble: :)

    Education as a topic

    Agatha Macbeth: Well, how about Education, since we are on the subject...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, as in 'the future of Education' ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Eliza Madrigal: (btw Zaldaan is up to his tricks again I see - giggles )
    Agatha Macbeth: Does education help to make us better people perhaps?
    Adams Rubble: what are they?
    Adams Rubble: the tricks, that is
    Eliza Madrigal: (quiet sitting mostly it seems)
    Agatha Macbeth: I notice he seems to have a heart poofer a la Fael
    Eliza Madrigal thinks that it really depends on the context of the 'education'...
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Having three children, we've tried so many angles and types... shapes and sizes of schools...
    Eliza Madrigal: and of course the internet factor really shakes things up
    Agatha Macbeth: Well the net has helped things certainly
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes plagiarism a lot easier too [grins]
    Eliza Madrigal: it helps, and it also wildly changes the game... where you need to go for what information... and what packaging one must accept, etc

    Veronica Joins Us and We Share notes about practice

    Adams Rubble: Hello Veronica
    Eliza Madrigal: Quite true, Ag, though they have incredible anti-plagiarism systems now
    Adams Rubble: Come and join us if you like
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Veronica :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Veronica
    Adams Rubble: Have you been here before Veronica?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Veronica Pettirosso: no it's my first time
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a little worrisome, considering there is nothing 'new under the sun', and a computer might change someone's entire life
    Veronica Pettirosso: i'm italian... sorry for language
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all Veronica. Welcome :)
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Adams Rubble: Welcome :)
    Adams Rubble: did you get a notecard when you arrived?
    Veronica Pettirosso: ty to all
    Veronica Pettirosso: yes
    Veronica Pettirosso: what do u do here
    Adams Rubble: We record our conversations here and post them to a Wiki
    Adams Rubble: Do you have any objections to that?
    Veronica Pettirosso: no
    Agatha Macbeth: That is a very good question Veronica, we often ask ourselves the same thing :)
    Adams Rubble: We try to look at what we are rather than what we have
    Eliza Madrigal giggles at Agatha
    Veronica Pettirosso takes a most humble bow
    Adams Rubble: we have one basic exrecise and that is stopping every 15 minutes to meditate for 9 seconds
    Veronica Pettirosso: good
    Adams Rubble: we meet here four times a day to discuss our experiences
    Adams Rubble: different people are here for each meeting of course (giggles)
    Agatha Macbeth: Though the discussions tend to be wide-ranging :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yak :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Like I said,,,)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku :)
    Veronica Pettirosso: hi yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey there
    Adams Rubble: Do you practice Buddhism in RL Veronica?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :))
    Veronica Pettirosso: meditation
    Veronica Pettirosso: i know buddhism and other ways
    Veronica Pettirosso: sufi, yoga...
    Adams Rubble: You will find many here with similar interests
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Veronica Pettirosso: fine
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice
    Veronica Pettirosso: i'm open to explore many practices
    Agatha Macbeth: I always find that to be the best option ;-)
    Veronica Pettirosso: opinio is ever an opinion
    Veronica Pettirosso: but the truth is inside evryone
    Eliza Madrigal: This seems a place that may suit you then Veronica. Lots of different practices and personalities here.... Mostly we share notes and a few explorations
    Agatha Macbeth nods. Just a case of finding it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: of not getting in the way of its expression perhaps...
    Eliza Madrigal: which sounds like such a simple thing at first eh? :))
    Veronica Pettirosso: sorry but i don't understand everything
    Agatha Macbeth: Who does? :p
    Veronica Pettirosso: and my expressione is poor
    Adams Rubble: your expression is fine Veronica :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all, Veronica. you seem quite clear
    Agatha Macbeth: yep
    Veronica Pettirosso: ok

    Back to Education

    Adams Rubble: Before you came we were beginning to discuss education
    Veronica Pettirosso: good
    Veronica Pettirosso: continue please
    Adams Rubble: Of course we make a mistake if we take education or degrees as something we have :)
    Agatha Macbeth will be right back.
    Adams Rubble: or take on our school's persona
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed
    Adams Rubble: we are always learning until the day we die
    Veronica Pettirosso: and ever after die
    Veronica Pettirosso: i think
    Adams Rubble: No one has come back to tell us whether we learn after we die :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, an important distinction... there are various containers, and its easy to identify with them perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth: back
    Eliza Madrigal: When my daughter graduated high school this past week... I watched as she shed her skin, in a way.... letting go of the setting she's identified with strongly for the last 4 years
    Adams Rubble: nice to celebrate the steps we take :)
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Stopping and dropping'?
    Eliza Madrigal: It was difficult for her... still is, precisely because she had such a great, though difficult experience
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Why difficult Liz?
    Adams Rubble: in some ways, we step outside a box
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, growing up is not easy for all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well it wasn't for me ;-)
    Adams Rubble: we can be defined by our setting
    Agatha Macbeth: Agreedd, Adams
    Agatha Macbeth: Agreed
    Agatha Macbeth: (Even)
    Eliza Madrigal: Especially when its hard, one can feel they 'finally' figure something out and its time to change :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Agatha Macbeth understands that
    Adams Rubble: I hated when I graduated from college. I thought it was the end of fun and would have to go to work
    Adams Rubble: no one told me that learning would go on and work could be fun
    Eliza Madrigal: !!
    Agatha Macbeth: We go on learning and developing throughout our lives
    Agatha Macbeth: There is always something new
    Adams Rubble: Of course I've stayed in the academic world and really haven;t graduated yet :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Veronica Pettirosso: ty to all but i go
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes I think our early educational systems encourage a kind of non-participatory way of learning which undermines the process...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye veronica
    Veronica Pettirosso: see you
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you Veronica :)
    Adams Rubble: nice to meet you Veronica. We do have others coming here from Italy
    Agatha Macbeth: Ciao Veronica
    Adams Rubble: hope you can come back
    Veronica Pettirosso: yes
    Veronica Pettirosso: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: bye :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so I've encouraged my kids to be auto-didactic, while even within systems... to see the settings as something 'they' take the initiative to draw from...
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: So far with the girls, they seem to manage that way
    Agatha Macbeth: Great
    Eliza Madrigal: it seems to make a difference... otherwise there is this tension of hm... imposition,etc. and the joy is lost
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we always have to contend with imposition of course
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Others wish to make us in their own image
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: pernicious idea ... 'this' is a picture of success, worthihood, normality, etc
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, definitely
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe the internet first of all makes it at least 'possible' to get around or undermine that tendency...
    Eliza Madrigal: to poke holes in it (like the 9 seconds ;- )
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's the holes that are intersting! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: !!
    Agatha Macbeth: Rather than what's around them
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: There is lots of useless knowledge and there is as much oin the internet as anywhere :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes Adams, I totally agree
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... for me its more the idea of the potential of it...
    Agatha Macbeth: There is an awful lot of cr*p on the net, as elsewhere...
    Eliza Madrigal: we haven't scratched the surface of understanding how to work with so many choices and floods of information
    Agatha Macbeth: True indeed Liz
    Agatha Macbeth: And perhaps working that out is half the fun :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: maybe one of the questions is "What are we searching for?"
    Eliza Madrigal: A quote this week... wish I'd saved it... was something like 'the itnernet also makes it easier for me to find things I wasn't looking for'
    Agatha Macbeth: That is *always* a good question Adams!
    Eliza Madrigal: The quest ... ion
    Adams Rubble: hehe Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth grins @ Eliza's quote
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Guradian session coming up folks...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah yes.. time to wander over...
    Adams Rubble: I will have to miiss it tdaY
    Eliza Madrigal: Hope my email re chat logs wasn't too strong....

    I just saw it and it was perfect, Eliza

    Agatha Macbeth: I will walk, as always :)
    Adams Rubble: nice to see you all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Adams, you too! :) Have a lovely Sunday
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Adams, take care :)
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Adams :))

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