2010.06.20 07:00 - Habits are Loopy Conditioning

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    Eliza and I chatted until Yakuzza came and then it was the three of us. Eliza is responsible for most of the title.

    Adams Rubble: Good morning Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :))
    Adams Rubble: It is very quiet here
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I see that... You look beautiful this morning... angelic
    Adams Rubble: I see you are finding uses for the 100 kimonos :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed. They've never had a better customer :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I am trying to look Celtic in celebration of the new solstice exhibition at the museum
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!!
    Adams Rubble: Dubrovna has a big celebration planned for today
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I'm quite hopeful to make it actually!!
    Adams Rubble: I am going to start the bonfore after this session :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (my sister had a baby so grandfather is out of town)
    Eliza Madrigal: Isn't it at 11SLT?
    Adams Rubble: how nice
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: congratluations to your sister :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much :)) I look forward to meeting him in just a few weeks
    Eliza Madrigal: (the baby) heh
    Adams Rubble: He will surprised to find he has a Japanese aunt (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha, yes... hope he isn't afraid of the fan, like Steve
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: you have been very busy lately
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, quite busy, but content
    Eliza Madrigal: You?
    Adams Rubble: How long with the Playasbeing chair term run?
    Eliza Madrigal: Eos will take over in July, and then in October everything will switch around again :)
    Adams Rubble: yes. It is difficult to be the first :)
    Eliza Madrigal: At that point we hope others will want to step into the WG, etc
    Adams Rubble: You have done a very good job proving encouragement and recognition for people's efforts
    Eliza Madrigal: Thankfully it has been rather smooth, thanks to having a pretty involved and focused group...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thank you for saying that. I hope so
    Eliza Madrigal: If nothing else, that would be most important to me actually
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: the rest is a bit tough since there is not path and we are all at the end (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal guffaws
    Eliza Madrigal laughs so hard she snorts
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, we are the path... chat logs are path, scribes are path, chronicles are path... dishes are path, not getting mad at the neighbors' dog is path...
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    Adams Rubble: the latter part is easier if there is just one neighbor (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was looking at the wiki this morning, and looking forward to moving some things around to be more noticeable. Any thoughts or ideas on that?
    Adams Rubble: no, I am afraid I haven't thought about it
    Eliza Madrigal: now that the server switch happened I think we can begin that... Cal has begun to take suggestions I think
    Eliza Madrigal: intro to 9 seconds seems important... things like that
    Adams Rubble: ahh, yes
    Adams Rubble: Will there be coordination with Kira for the Kira things on the old wiki?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm good question.. what kinds of things were you thinking of?
    Adams Rubble: The Kirateam is one, and the art history workshop among many others
    Adams Rubble: still on the old wiki
    Eliza Madrigal: on the old pab wiki?
    Adams Rubble: no just with that software
    Adams Rubble: I guess I need to bring this up with maxine
    Eliza Madrigal: Oooh, I see. I do think that's a discussion taking place... wanting to have everything pretty much streamlined...
    Adams Rubble: I think she is still away
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I'm not sure :)
    Adams Rubble: maybe we can check this afternoon. hehe
    Adams Rubble: I have been a little distracted this week and haven't thought much about what to talk about
    Adams Rubble: do you have anything you would like to discuss?
    Eliza Madrigal: A billion things, but nothing is jumping out particularly.
    Adams Rubble: that should keep us busy
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah yes...
    Adams Rubble: maybe throw a dart and see where it lands :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm still recovering from the Harry Potter theme park craziness...
    Adams Rubble: ah, yes :)
    Adams Rubble: did it resemble Harry Potter?
    Adams Rubble: whoops
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Visually, it was beautiful... very immersive
    Eliza Madrigal: And it made a perfect graduation gift, to take my daughter and a few friends
    Eliza Madrigal: I felt rather ambivalent about most of it though, truthfully
    Eliza Madrigal: She was thrilled, but as I walked out and saw people standing in the 95* heat, waiting in 7+ hr lines, some children crying because they'd never get in...
    Eliza Madrigal: that all seemed rather absurd and sad
    Adams Rubble: these things can be very overwhelming to children
    Adams Rubble: only much worse
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, there was a little boy... I'll never get his face from my mind, crying. His father was reasoning with him, but he was so sad :(
    Adams Rubble: ohhhh
    Eliza Madrigal: These kinds of settings and events bring out the strangest things in people...some families arguing, everyone looking so worn out
    Adams Rubble: I always thought the zoo was like that. The children are overwhelmed but it is so expensive the parents try to keep going wwhen they need to just go home
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, this seems to be what happens when we 'package' everything...
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: maybe the children can teach us :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe they'll get simply fed up :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: children's strike
    Adams Rubble: More Free Time!
    Eliza Madrigal: ...'and a little child will lead them...'
    Adams Rubble: No Spinach!
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal loves spinach, would be sad
    Adams Rubble: hehe. me too
    Adams Rubble: but seems to be a pet peeve for children
    Eliza Madrigal: :) and peas, and brussel sprouts...
    Eliza Madrigal: true
    Eliza Madrigal: few children would opt to bring spinach onto the ark
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey guys
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :))
    Adams Rubble: Groucho Marx had a line about that something to the effect that the parents would have to eat the spinach
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza :)
    Adams Rubble: How are you this afternoon Yak?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i am fine
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just came home from lunch and coffee
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing special i visit my mother on sundays
    Adams Rubble: that is nice
    Eliza Madrigal: That's very special, Ya
    Adams Rubble: I miss my Sunday conversations with my mother
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i was thinking of that, her mom, my grandma is ill today
    Adams Rubble: ohhh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and when somebody is 84 it will be even feel special someday
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right now it´s the normality even tho that i admit that i don´t notice it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean it will be special
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho that i don´t notice it right now
    Adams Rubble nods
    Eliza Madrigal nods... Hope she feels better soon Ya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: magen darm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: a temporary desease
    Yakuzza Lethecus: mom let me look it up
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stomach flu
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but of course with 84 and a weaker immuno system everything can happen
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i think she will be fine
    Eliza Madrigal: :( that can be terribly difficult at that age
    Eliza Madrigal: hydrating crucial :)
    Adams Rubble: It is best when we can see oeach day as a gift
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
    Eliza Madrigal: every day unique, new....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s easy to say that because that is of course true still we have an amount of considerations to do
    Eliza Madrigal: no matter how many other days it may seem to resemble at first due to our kind of loopy conditioning :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we have our habits and it´s good that we have habits since we can´t contemplate everything
    Eliza Madrigal: each conversation, each greeting...
    Adams Rubble: loopy conditioning sounds marketable somehow (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal: shampoo for curly hair :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Maybe the habits are one place we need to notice (just thinking)
    Adams Rubble: do they serve us well?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: exactly that is a key point for me right now
    Adams Rubble: thank you for helping me see that Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to get to my habits and change them in a slow way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even comming here on a regular basis
    Adams Rubble has many bad habits. hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm... like reconditioning in a purposeful way?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but what´s purposeful ?
    Adams Rubble: habits ARE loopy conditioning :)
    Eliza Madrigal rarely succeeds in changing habits by trying to methodically...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes @ Adams :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s just important to be surrounded by ppl who are talking about these things in a serious way
    Adams Rubble sees title possibilities
    Adams Rubble: yes Yak
    Eliza Madrigal: agree
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t even make a big deal out of the fact that i am not very mindful when i am arround here
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think everyone noticed that fact even tho that i am really interested in the the idea´s ppl care talking about
    Eliza Madrigal: you are honest, Ya :) So when you make changes they are honest changes and prob endure...
    Eliza Madrigal: imo
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even when its about the dreams which are extremly sudoscientic in combination with the moonstates
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i even like the poetry which raises out of that
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i try to get all kinds of exposure
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, the thing is to stay open without buying in?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, because i closed in the past
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just said, wtf buddism ?
    Eliza Madrigal: enjoy, participate, engage... freely
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Yakuzza Lethecus: haha, that´s terrific mumbo jumbo!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: or manbo janbo
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but right now i am at a point where i think that it helps to describe emotions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that in fact many contemplative traditions help to elaborate a mindset to communicate issues in life better, on ethics, on what ever we learn to be more compassionate
    Adams Rubble: yes Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t care if it´s about trungpa or thartang tulku i think there are many ppl who are tryting to communicate the same idea´s in a different tradition since all in the end i believe that we all even tho that cultural differences exist have the same emotional possibilites and problems
    Adams Rubble: we need only to find the package thhat works for us
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes... well by listening we can perhaps become more flexible, not as rigid, maybe less aggressive and defensive
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i very much hope so
    Eliza Madrigal: and contemplative traditions encourage listening it seems
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and if not i at least practice my english a little :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Adams Rubble: It is getting near time for the next meeting
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes better get going to the guardian session. Thanks, Adams :) Happy Solstice
    Adams Rubble: your English is great Yak :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya at the hall
    Adams Rubble: I have to go light a bonfore in the museum. Hope you can come later :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Me too, looking forward to it!!
    Adams Rubble: I'll have to miss the next meeting I am afraid. work to be done
    Eliza Madrigal: bfn
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when does it start exactly ?
    Adams Rubble: 11:00 am SLT
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)

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