2010.06.24 07:00 - Words in a different color

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    Storm Nordwind: Hi there Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to be late!
    Storm Nordwind: No problem!
    Eliza Madrigal: How are the games going? I've heard a lot about the US yesterday obviously, but other than that, not much :)
    Storm Nordwind: Oh... the football? ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Storm Nordwind: I think people are enjoying them :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: A little excitement :)
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Nothing wrong with a little excitement :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Lucinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Storm, eliza
    Lucinda Lavender: :)

    Eliza mentions our last Theme Session - the monthly Dream Circle

    Eliza Madrigal: Storm, did you happen to glance at yesterday's morning session? We had a nice dream circle.. would be fun if you join us sometime
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been surprised by the form and energy of it
    Storm Nordwind: I haven't had chance to read the log yet. I'll check it out
    Eliza Madrigal: Lucinda, you have such an interesting sense of color. I know you are creative with your classes, but do you also paint?
    Lucinda Lavender: no I like to casually at school sometimes but. I do not really dabble that way at home.
    Lucinda Lavender: I arrange things in my home tho with color in mind
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, in what way?
    Lucinda Lavender: things seem to congregate of certain hues
    Eliza Madrigal: (notices I'm asking lots of questions again, sorry :))
    Lucinda Lavender: ok by me
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: I wondered if you arranged things according with certain 'centers' or emphasis in mind, like feng shui
    Lucinda Lavender: I do love to look at color and light together
    Lucinda Lavender: well for a little while I created some mandalas/altars that had the dream wheel as a focus
    Lucinda Lavender: usuall with stones
    Lucinda Lavender: usually
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's very interesting! I have a few little 'attention' areas, growing a little bit more detailed I guess, recently
    Eliza Madrigal: but I love the idea of using stones, or natural materials in general
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Zaldaan
    Storm Nordwind: greetings!
    Eliza Madrigal: makes me think of Pema's time exercize actually.... being with an object and letting time present...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zaldaan
    Zaldaan Sirnah: L, E, S...
    Lucinda Lavender: Letting time present?
    Lucinda Lavender: as an action?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, well... I like that phrasing. It isn't exactly his I don't think...
    Lucinda Lavender: I keep thinking of time as a membrane...
    Lucinda Lavender: through which we are constanly being born
    Eliza Madrigal: but kind of how I've been working with it... to find an object and kind of relax into considering time ...
    Lucinda Lavender: it is not the whole thing I suppose
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice image Lucinda :)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe if we relax trying to see the 'whole thing' we experience some of the 'whole thing' in every little thing...
    Eliza Madrigal: donno...
    Lucinda Lavender: :) seems possible
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    --BELL--
    Lucinda Lavender: During the break I was thinking about how there are many things in action to make the present..action we see the result of but they do not necessarily present themselves as in action
    Eliza Madrigal: movement beneath what seems to be not moving?
    Lucinda Lavender: suppose
    Eliza Madrigal: seems a good meditation

    If Lucinda is to fulfill her duties as a Play as Being host, we decide she needs to know how to act as the gentle-but-firm guardian. Most of the rest of the session is about this and the struggles of navigating around the new viewer. I've de-emphasized it in case you want to skip it! 

    Lucinda Lavender: How are you Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: I'm fine thank you. Just listening fascinated to you and Eliza :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I see...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Please never think that if I don't comment that I'm bored or I disapprove. I never get bored - ever - and my disapproval is only shown at the end of the 'eject' button! ;)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: That's something Lucinda should learn before hosting a session!
    Storm Nordwind: haha - yes Eliza!
    Lucinda Lavender: tell us more?
    Storm Nordwind: It can be a lot of fun to learn. Less fun to put into practice, but hey-ho there are strange people in all worlds (Thankkfully very few indeed who arrrive here!)
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Lucinda Lavender: there is really a button?
    Eliza Madrigal is willing to be a practice model
    Storm Nordwind: Yes there really is a button
    Lucinda Lavender: please do show then if you want...
    Storm Nordwind looks at Eliza
    Storm Nordwind: hmmm...
    Storm Nordwind: ok
    Storm Nordwind: nothing like a practical demo ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome back
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry... had to run for the phone for a second...
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks..went back to from where I came I think
    Storm Nordwind: The eject has a ban option too. I didn't apply that in your case! ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: you landed at your welcome center, Lucinda?
    Storm Nordwind: Guardians can do it on this land. Just in case of persistent disruption. It's very rarely needed. I've used it more at the Kira Cafe
    Lucinda Lavender: no at the place I had last visited...where Connie does dream circle
    Eliza Madrigal: The option should be on your pie menu when you wear your playasbeing tag...
    Storm Nordwind: One level down
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Lucinda Lavender: I am in viewer 2
    Eliza Madrigal: and I guess ni viewer two there is no pie
    Eliza Madrigal: *in
    Storm Nordwind: Is there not? pft!
    Lucinda Lavender: right
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, for some reason they thought that removing the pie was an upgrade...e
    Eliza Madrigal: ah well
    Lucinda Lavender: I will look around
    Eliza Madrigal: (having trouble typing today)
    Storm Nordwind shakes his head at a pie-less world
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed, sigh
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: I need to get going, but would you like to eject me before I do, Lucinda? hehe
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: (Storm let me practice on him when I first became a guardian so might be fun)
    Lucinda Lavender: not sure I can yet
    Storm Nordwind: On viewer 2 I don't know what to advise. It used to be a right click on the avatar and then down one 'more' level
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, first, I think you need to change your tag... then it should have a drop down menu instead of a pie
    Lucinda Lavender: will try that!
    Eliza Madrigal: when you right click on one of us
    Storm Nordwind: Change to playasbeinghere group first
    Lucinda Lavender: how?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Groups, Activate
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you have a pop up chat box Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: is that what you mean?
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Groups are on the right in 2
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: and highlited group chat
    Eliza Madrigal: Mm, no... sounds like zaldaan may help you more with this part...
    Eliza Madrigal: I've used viewer two but didnt stay with it
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Storm Nordwind sighs - he may need to install the dreaded viewer v2 after all ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: :::hears jaws music::::
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Lucinda Lavender: do you think the word block will help to remove some one?
    Storm Nordwind: block may not be what you want - that may be version 1's mute. Or it may ban then. Don't know without installing it myself
    Lucinda Lavender: dont see the word activate yet
    Eliza Madrigal: In V1, where the pop out chat box is, there is a 'contacts' taq, which takes one to the list of friends, and also to a 'groups' tag
    Zaldaan Sirnah: brb, loading up 2.
    Eliza Madrigal: *tab
    Eliza Madrigal: In that is a list of all the groups one has joined,
    Eliza Madrigal: and one group will be in bold, showing which one is activated
    Lucinda Lavender: Hmmm under the people tag there is nearby,my friends, my groups, recent
    Eliza Madrigal: 'my groups' should be it
    Lucinda Lavender: right
    Eliza Madrigal: If you see that one is in bold, that's where you can change to a different one
    Eliza Madrigal: by clicking the differen't one and 'activate'
    Lucinda Lavender: oh ok
    Lucinda Lavender: yes like I could activate I ching
    Lucinda Lavender: workshop
    Lucinda Lavender: that way
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, or playasbeinghere
    Eliza Madrigal: exactly
    Zaldaan Sirnah: leaving 2 :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks zaldaan
    Lucinda Lavender: well I have thank Zal
    Eliza Madrigal: so 'activate' playasbeing here
    Lucinda Lavender: have done
    Eliza Madrigal: and you should have then a pab tag of some sort over your head...
    Lucinda Lavender: just the name Lucinda Lavender
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, i see you as 'member' lucinda lavender...
    Eliza Madrigal: which is a different group...
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: wb zaldaan, thanks
    Lucinda Lavender: for some reason cultivator disappeared as did guardian and then member had come back...
    Eliza Madrigal: It's funny. Once one learns these things they disappear
    Lucinda Lavender: so I took member off
    Eliza Madrigal: You may have the i ching group activated
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: whatever you joined last
    Lucinda Lavender: lables!
    Eliza Madrigal: !!
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, but I really have to run now. We'll figure it out. :) Its fun though
    Eliza Madrigal: as Storm said, not when you really have to use it, but for practice sure :)
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for taking the time on this...
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see everyone.. always sets my day on a good foot
    Lucinda Lavender: I will get it figured out
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you
    --BELL--
    Lucinda Lavender: may go back to viewr 1
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Zaldaan Sirnah: I would want to quote from a book, but to help a friend is one thing, whereas it's copywritten material.
    Storm Nordwind: fair usage?
    Lucinda Lavender: I found eject!
    Lucinda Lavender: whjen I opened the group...
    Storm Nordwind: yay!
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Storm, I could probably get away with it.
    Lucinda Lavender: sometime just a little experimentation works wonders
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Lucinda, you should kick me out of here :)
    Storm Nordwind: a little playfulness we can call it Lucinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: :) nothing personal of course...:)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: give it a shot
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Lucinda Lavender: do not see you name in the members list
    Lucinda Lavender: yet
    Storm Nordwind: Oh - stop Lucinda!
    Storm Nordwind: that's different
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Storm Nordwind: that allows you to eject people from a group
    Storm Nordwind: not from the plot of land
    Lucinda Lavender: oh! not a good idea
    Storm Nordwind: and you're still in the wrong group
    Storm Nordwind: activated
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Storm Nordwind: There is no "Member' tag in the playasbeinghere group
    Storm Nordwind: So when you change to that group, your tag will change
    Lucinda Lavender: I seem to have these headingsMembers Roles Abilities
    Storm Nordwind: That's group info
    Storm Nordwind: On viewer 1 the blue Info button is next to the Activate button
    Lucinda Lavender: so do I need to change my group affiliation somehow
    Lucinda Lavender: I will go ther then
    Storm Nordwind: Although you can be a member of up to 25 groups, only one can be activated at a time
    Lucinda Lavender: well I thought I was activated for this group
    Lucinda Lavender: did you say you thought I was not?
    Lucinda Lavender: I will go to view 1 I guess
    Storm Nordwind: On viewer 1 you can get a list of all the groups you're a member of, and the one that's currently activated is in bold
    Storm Nordwind: Can you get that list on viewer 2?
    Lucinda Lavender: think I have it...
    Lucinda Lavender: and it is highlighted
    Lucinda Lavender: playasbeinghere
    Storm Nordwind: Highlighted AND in bold?
    Lucinda Lavender: not bold
    Storm Nordwind: Then there should be an activate button somewhere you need to press
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe I need to accept something somewhere
    Storm Nordwind: On viewer 1 you can highlight a group just to get info for it without activating it
    Storm Nordwind: Activating (highlight and press the blue activation button) is a separate step
    Lucinda Lavender: ok I am listed as cultivator
    Lucinda Lavender: under general
    Storm Nordwind: yes you are
    Storm Nordwind: I guess I'll have to install v2 so I can help people!
    Lucinda Lavender: did it!
    Zaldaan Sirnah: You might be more assistance forcing them into the proper behavior :)
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you for your patience I was almost out of it myself
    Lucinda Lavender: but here we are!
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Beta 2 has improved from beta 2.
    Lucinda Lavender: there is a check shaped symbol at the bottom
    Lucinda Lavender: clicked that
    Storm Nordwind: You did it!
    Storm Nordwind: I see your new tag!
    --BELL--
    Bhang Tyran: hello
    Bhang Tyran takes a humble bow

    An old guest, Bhang, rejoins us after many months absence. I give him an update about what's changed.


    Storm Nordwind: Hello Bhang
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not see the new tag over my head
    Storm Nordwind: I do
    Lucinda Lavender: what does it say
    Storm Nordwind: It says Cultivator
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Bhang
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you
    Bhang Tyran: hi
    Storm Nordwind: I usually hide mine to remove screen clutter
    Storm Nordwind: Have you been here before Bhang?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes that is what I think I did
    Bhang Tyran: yes a long time ago hahaha
    Storm Nordwind: Oh good - then you already know about conversations being recorded and published :)
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Bhang, are you familiar with your miranda rights?
    Storm Nordwind: We are still at the end of one our normal sessions that we have every 6 hours
    Bhang Tyran: hahaha yeah i am
    Bhang Tyran: may i sit?
    Storm Nordwind: Of course! What brings you back to our humble abode?
    Bhang Tyran: just came back to SL and thought id check out some of the old haunts
    Storm Nordwind: Ah... I can understand that!
    Storm Nordwind: Well we've been in the same place for nearly 2 years now
    Storm Nordwind: Although we had a couple of other places briefly two sims away
    Storm Nordwind: And now we have the whole sim to ourselves, except for a small shop nestling in the SE corner
    Storm Nordwind: But the Play as Being practice is still the same
    Storm Nordwind: Although now we also hold real life retreats every 3 months
    Bhang Tyran: oh wow the whole thing huh thats really cool
    Storm Nordwind: yes - the next one is in Nova Scotia - we have them in various places around the world
    Bhang Tyran: holy cow thats what i really like about SL the ability for people to communicate
    Bhang Tyran: thats really impressive
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. Many people like that
    Storm Nordwind: There are people who like to roleplay and keep their worlds separate. My choice is for there to be no boundary for me - one is an expression of the other
    Bhang Tyran: i havent been on in maybe 9 months its good to know that there havent been any restriction placed on SL yet i was worried about that
    Storm Nordwind: Right. The last major restriction was casinos about 3 years ago
    Storm Nordwind: And there is a 3 tier adult rating system now
    Storm Nordwind: And a new viewer of questionable usefulness ;)
    Bhang Tyran: hahahaha yeah its taking me a minute to get used to it
    Storm Nordwind applauds Bhang's tenacity :)
    Bhang Tyran: i really like the side bar much easier access
    Storm Nordwind: Well as a professional UI designer myself, I know the often great difference between "easy to learn" and "easy to use"
    Lucinda Lavender: wow in view 1 now!
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting
    Bhang Tyran: that about sums it up storm lol
    Storm Nordwind: Welcome back Lucinda
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Zaldaan Sirnah: being acquainted is one thing, dealing with problems is another. If there can be two things.

    Lucinda is back and the greyed out tutorial resumes.


    Lucinda Lavender: so I was about to practice ejecting someone
    Storm Nordwind nods to Zal
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. Try me if you like
    Storm Nordwind: Right click on my avatar
    Lucinda Lavender: May I try that with you ZAl
    Storm Nordwind: Select more
    Storm Nordwind: and go for eject
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Yes, you can kick Storm and I out.
    Zaldaan Sirnah: :)
    Storm Nordwind: if it gives you a choice then as a pop-up, do not select ban but just eject
    --BELL--
    Lucinda Lavender: not seeing the eject message in the poie
    Storm Nordwind: Right click > More (6 o'clock) > Eject (9 'oclock)
    Storm Nordwind: Let me check that Cultivators have permission
    Lucinda Lavender: that piece of pie is empty for me
    Lucinda Lavender: no calories
    Storm Nordwind: OK cultivator does not have permission
    Storm Nordwind: Let me show you what to do
    Lucinda Lavender: this is how we learn...
    Storm Nordwind: Oh - I need to give you a fuller role - hmmm... I wonder how that happened
    Storm Nordwind: Bring up the info box for playasbeinghere
    Lucinda Lavender: got it
    Lucinda Lavender: yay...
    Storm Nordwind: Bottom right it should say "My active title" See it?
    Lucinda Lavender: no
    Storm Nordwind: On the General tab
    Lucinda Lavender: not seeing general yet
    Storm Nordwind: Do you have the playasbeinghere info box visible?
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Bhang, you came in as Lucinda was being initiated as a new .. whatever you call it, here. Of course, kicking is the most seemingly fun thing to get working right away, yet the least fun when actually necessary to use on a problematic person in real life in such an environment.
    Lucinda Lavender: communicate box
    Storm Nordwind: ok select the Contacts tab at the bottom of communicate
    Storm Nordwind: then the groups tab at the top of the box
    Bhang Tyran: hahaha i bet
    Bhang Tyran: no one to be the heavy hand
    Storm Nordwind: Find the playasbeinghere in the list
    Lucinda Lavender: groups was under edit
    Storm Nordwind: ok
    Storm Nordwind: highlight the group and press the info button on the right
    Lucinda Lavender: then we have friends and groups ...the heading is commuicate
    Storm Nordwind: Groups tab
    Lucinda Lavender: group info
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Storm Nordwind: yes
    Storm Nordwind: highlight the group and press the info button on the right
    Storm Nordwind: You should get a popup box for playasbeinghere
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    Bhang Tyran: congrats lucinda well i will leave you to training thank you for the pleasent reception
    Storm Nordwind: My active title at bottom right
    Storm Nordwind: And hopefully a pulldown
    Lucinda Lavender: see it
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks
    Storm Nordwind: Click the pulldown
    Storm Nordwind: select Host
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Storm Nordwind: Apply and OK
    Lucinda Lavender: got it
    Storm Nordwind: Now try the eject process again
    Storm Nordwind wonders how many other people are not enabled as host - he will have to check later
    Storm Nordwind: Is your pie now replete with calories? ;)
    Lucinda Lavender: well am now having to apply changes and such
    Lucinda Lavender: put in group name it asks
    Storm Nordwind: Not sure what that is
    Storm Nordwind: You're in the right group with the right powers
    Lucinda Lavender: it is asking like this is a new group
    Lucinda Lavender: that I have to name
    Storm Nordwind: no ono
    Lucinda Lavender: right
    Storm Nordwind: Your group is already OK
    Storm Nordwind: Press escape a few time to get out of all the popups
    Lucinda Lavender: cancelled
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Lucinda Lavender: phew
    Storm Nordwind: Now right click on the avatar of your choice
    Storm Nordwind: Not yourself!
    Storm Nordwind: and select more > eject
    Zaldaan Sirnah: Cannot get any more work done while here, because of land limitations/priviledges.
    Lucinda Lavender: did not work because I think I have to go back in a apply some changes about being a papb hoist
    Zaldaan Sirnah: So I'm sorry but I have to leave.
    Storm Nordwind: OK Zal. Nice to see you
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for you paptiece all

    Time to leave.

    Zaldaan Sirnah: pab reminds me of that beer
    Lucinda Lavender: patience
    Zaldaan Sirnah: And gambling and intoxicants are related
    Zaldaan Sirnah: And the master said, "if someone's coworker is a programmer, and he/she puts something online without it being tested, that's gambling."
    Lucinda Lavender: good day to you Zaldaan
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now
    --BELL--
    Zaldaan Sirnah: And the Holy Qur'an states, "they ask thee about gambling, say, in them is some good and some bad, for men, but the bad outweighs the good."
    Storm Nordwind: Your knowledge outstrips mine Zal. Bye for now

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