2010.06.26 07:00 - Healthy Pride and Imagination

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia. This session was attended by Yakuzza, Calvino, Bertram, Bleu and myself.

    I arrived to the pavilion at 7 am, and sat by myself for 15 minutes before Yakuzza arrived. This 15 minutes of being alone in the pavilion is a somewhat unusual occurrence for me. I found myself thinking very ‘loosely’ as I looked at the surroundings of the pavilion. It struck me then how being in a place or doing an activity can seem to cause one to slip into a particular habit associated with that place or activity, and how prevalent this is with much of what we do every day.


    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ssl
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: a bit sleepy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i woke up at 6:00 am this morning with no reason
    Yakuzza Lethecus: usually i sleep a bit longer on the weekend
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was just thinking, since i was sitting here, that our moods sometimes correlate with where we are, as a matter of habit. Getting up that early is a habit for you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Good (morning) !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: after sitting for a few minutes, virtually in this pavilion, I become more contemplative
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you'll be getting old man habits Yakuzza, up every day very early :D
    Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks to an other avatar
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya later
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Yakuzza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: your losing your ZZZZ's above your head Cal, are you waking up? :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, and I see you are awake also :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs


    I asked Calvino some questions in IM about the wiki, and an upcoming theme session.


    Calvino Rabeni: Note to the log - a discussion about methods of editing the wiki was taking place in IM - but we spared you from reading the humdrum details


    Bertram arrives and shares some news. I had to go at 8:00 am.

    Bertram Jacobus: hey sharon and cal ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bertram :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was talking with Cal in IM about the wiki, so no particular topic atm
    Bertram Jacobus: how are you ? do i disturb ? ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - ty for the explanation ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni dropped trackball and it rolled away
    Bertram Jacobus: all fine here only a bit exhausted - and you ? :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Bert :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very good Bert!
    Bertram Jacobus: hey cal ! what is the meaning of the "Z" above your avatar ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - are there reasons for your nice condition sharon ? :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Bert, I don't know about in Europe, but ZZZZZ means sleeping to Sharon and myself
    Calvino Rabeni: now I'm awake :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and now the last Z is gone hahah
    Bertram Jacobus: in europe same cal - aha :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no reason Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hmmm :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: unbelievable ! :o)
    Calvino Rabeni: hehehe - feeling good, what is the explanation?
    Calvino Rabeni: Answer: None
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right :D
    Calvino Rabeni: LIke, do you have a good excuse ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah no , sorry
    Bertram Jacobus: oh - sometimes it´s a new love, good work, so many lucky circumstances - all that cal ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very very true
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Bert, then it could be inspiring to hear about
    Bertram Jacobus: yeah ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hey bleu :-)
    Bleu Oleander: hey all


    Bertram Jacobus: as, for example, that fay gets thrown out of the house of her former bf and now found a new house very very very luckily cal (!) (?) :-))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: first i was talking with Cal about the wiki, then Bert about having no reason but feeling good anyway --- And now I must go :D
    Bertram Jacobus: okay - how sad ! bye sharon ! ... ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh Bert that is fortunate!
    Bleu Oleander: hi and bye Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye :))
    Bertram Jacobus: that was and is so very important ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Sophia
    Bertram Jacobus: change from fear to luck
    Bleu Oleander: wonderful change
    Bertram Jacobus: especially because she has a little daughter above that all ...
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. we are very happy about it !
    Bleu Oleander: how old is her daughter?
    Bertram Jacobus: 4 years "old" ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: ah, big changes for everyone .... very fortunate!
    Bertram Jacobus: and her mother is such a busy young woman - able to handle so difficult situations ! ...
    Bertram Jacobus: yes - but it was and is also her merit, the effect of her business ...
    Bleu Oleander: what does she do?
    Bertram Jacobus: in only few days, not many weeks she managed it to get more work (because nessecairy) and now even the new home ... if proud wouldn´t be bad, one could feel some ... ;-9
    Bertram Jacobus: she is simply managing all what is necessary ...
    Bertram Jacobus: finds solutions
    Bertram Jacobus: is quick
    Bleu Oleander: that's great
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. I’m impressed
    Bertram Jacobus: and happy - was not easy
    Bleu Oleander: i'm sure!

    The discussion here is where I got the title for this log. An interesting perspective of healthy pride and imagination…

    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, well pride in itself is neither good nor bad, I think, to comment on what you said earlier
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting
    Bertram Jacobus: i was waiting for a comment
    Bertram Jacobus: but when is pride then good and when bad ?
    Calvino Rabeni: When true or mistaken, when attached or non-attached
    Bertram Jacobus: hm . interesting . *smile* ... :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: So if a person feels good about doing something useful to self or others, and is not dependent on that feeling, that would be a healthy pride I would say
    Bertram Jacobus: nice words ! :-)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes cal - i can agree with that i guess ... :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Many words like pride and imagination, come loaded with cautions, that say - this is how it can go wrong ...
    Calvino Rabeni: like imagination that leads to delusion, versus imagination the leads to truth or good creations
    Bertram Jacobus: yes, again :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: "ha" ! vajrayana ?
    Calvino Rabeni: as imagination could take one farther from reality, or closer ...
    Calvino Rabeni: as we might say about the "Mind" in general
    Calvino Rabeni: and therefore the concern with "right use of the mind"


    Calvino Rabeni: (I think, often it means "intellect")
    Bertram Jacobus: but only for a while (imagination), as a part of the path, right - in the end ... doesn’t imagination disappear as mean for oneself to "come closer to reality" ?
    Bleu Oleander: "right use of the mind" interesting phrase :)
    Bleu Oleander: say more Bertram ....
    Bertram Jacobus: vajrayana for example uses imagination, but as it is also said "in the ends only the buddhahood remains, not the sangha and even not the dharma" - which means, also the means and methods get dispensable ...
    Bertram Jacobus: become*
    Bertram Jacobus: sry :-(
    Bertram Jacobus: is that understandable ? what i mean ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Is that about a state of awareness, or is it a guideline for practice?
    Bleu Oleander: I think so
    Bertram Jacobus: state i guess. guideline ? in which way could that be ?
    Bleu Oleander: so imagination is a means to buddhahood?
    Bertram Jacobus: in the vajrayana practises - yes.
    Bleu Oleander: and is then dropped?
    Bertram Jacobus: i would prefer to say, it disappears naturally
    Bleu Oleander: ok
    Bleu Oleander: no further need for it?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. that, too
    Calvino Rabeni: If your imagination were completely accurate with reality, it would seem to disappear
    Bleu Oleander: interesting, never heard that before
    Calvino Rabeni: but you would still be using it
    Calvino Rabeni: This happens during normal waking consciousness
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: imagination is used to know what is happening
    Calvino Rabeni: but we don't call it that, and think things are driven by perception only
    Bleu Oleander: a useful way to get by in the world?
    Calvino Rabeni: essential :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: even for the lowest life forms :)
    Bleu Oleander: I value my imagination ability and wouldn't want to lose it :)
    Bleu Oleander: must go .... have a wonderful day :)
    Bertram Jacobus: same same ty :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: You also, Bleu :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye for now
    Calvino Rabeni: And Bert, I will do the same :)
    Bertram Jacobus: oki bye cal *wave*
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Bertram Jacobus: namasté

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