2010.06.26 13:00 - Humility and compassion

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Liza Deischer. The comments are by Liza Deischer.

    I'm afraid I forgot about this meeting, but was just in time to pick up the log

    Playfulness versus seriousness; and what about sillyness


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yak :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you applied for this spot ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or do i just grab the log ?
    Adams Rubble: no
    Adams Rubble: I am just visiting
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, so if someone comes it still overwrites my claim
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you doing today ?
    Adams Rubble: I am fine, how about you?
    Adams Rubble: we had a nice walk in the meadow this morning but it was very hot and humid
    Yakuzza Lethecus: gosh, the whole day in deep thoughts about honesty communication and relationships
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: can you share any of them?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i would prefer not too
    Adams Rubble: OK, np
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s to closely related to secondlife
    Adams Rubble: We are discussing that as a group right now

    Adams Rubble: Hello Qt
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Qt Core: hi all

    Yakuzza Lethecus: as which group ?
    Adams Rubble: PaB
    Adams Rubble: the issue of whether we remain open
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that´s a big issue for me
    Adams Rubble: sort of the same thing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but not exactly what i had in mind today :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: still the fact that i kind of miss the naturalness open discussions i came for in the past is also an concern but i don´t know how to preserve the mental fresh and naturalness
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i always tried to be more a ghost, then i got the friday silly session
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i usually don´t feel able to recreate the fascination i got with this and other places myself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually that is probably why i was initially more quiet in the first place

    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Qt Core: hi bleu
    Adams Rubble: Hi Bleu
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: then i got accepted and felt a bit easier to share more nonsenseful things, still i don´t know how to recreate the same natural fresh emotions as i got here in the first place
    Adams Rubble: It sometimes can be hard to find the balance between play and seriousness

    Adams Rubble: Hello Zon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zon
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zon
    Qt Core: hi zon

    Adams Rubble: It sometimes can be a great relief when a subject gets too seriousness

        --BELL--

    Adams Rubble: This session used to be a silly time
    Zon Quar: seriousness is a severe illness
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to preserve a positive tention for everyone and still preserve pabish elements
    Yakuzza Lethecus: of course sillyness is not supposed to be forbidden but how to intentional moderate between the lines
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t even like to introduce ppl to this place in my own words
    Zon Quar: by dancing ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho that i very much enjoy the presence of most of the ppl
    Adams Rubble: silliness can be used as a distraction
    Zon Quar: r we supposed to be serious ?

    Adams Rubble: Hello Visitor1
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey Visitor1
    Qt Core: Hi Visitor1
    Visitor1: Hello, all
    Zon Quar: Visitor1
    Bleu Oleander: hi Visitor1

    Yakuzza Lethecus: take a pillow Visitor1
    Adams Rubble: why do you equate seriousness with illness, Zon? It is a rather strong statement
    Zon Quar: not to me
    Zon Quar: seriousness means ego is working

    Bleu Oleander: hey steve
    Adams Rubble: Hello Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Qt Core: hi steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: just dropping in

    Zon Quar: trying to control
    Zon Quar: to be someone
    Zon Quar: world if full of serious ppl
    Zon Quar: in churches
    Zon Quar: in politics
    Zon Quar: we need palyfulness
    Zon Quar: playfullnes
    Zon Quar: which is not same as silliness
    Bleu Oleander: sounds serious
    Zon Quar: lol
    Adams Rubble: we try to balance playfulness with exploration
    Zon Quar: thats fun
    Zon Quar: exploration is playful
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking that playfulness IS exploration
    Zon Quar: what else can it be
    Adams Rubble: it can be
    Zon Quar: trying to achieve is serious
    stevenaia Michinaga: and some just type faster than I
    Zon Quar: lol

    Adams Rubble: Hello Arabella
    Zon Quar: ara:)
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Ara
    Qt Core: hi Ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ara :)

    Zon Quar: children r not serious
    stevenaia Michinaga: Interesting, I suspect what we said, Zon, the same words in a different oder may mean very different things
    Zon Quar: but boy do they explore
    Zon Quar: and have fun
    Visitor1: Some children are serious
    Visitor1: and still explore
    Visitor1: even themselves
    Visitor1: deeply
    Zon Quar: then they r enjoying that
    Visitor1: yes
    Zon Quar: and r not serious
    Visitor1: but it is serious

        --BELL--

    Zon Quar: not in my language game, intense, perhaps
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where are you from zon ?
    Zon Quar: hm
    Zon Quar: cosmos ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is there lag for everyone ?
    Visitor1: cannot intensity be fun?
    Qt Core: don't think
    Zon Quar: been called to dance seriously
    Zon Quar: ys
    Zon Quar: intense fun

    Zon Quar: im gonna dance intensly now
    Zon Quar: s u
    Zon Quar: c u
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zon
    Adams Rubble: bye Zon
    Bleu Oleander: bye Zon
    Adams Rubble: wb Arabella
    arabella Ella: Hiya!

    a few remarks about the amount of crashes in sl

    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you ara ? :)
    arabella Ella: not too bad thanks Yaku
    arabella Ella: but frustrated with this crash
    arabella Ella: as i thought i had resolved my problem
    arabella Ella: yourself?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, also fine only a bit concerned how to preserve a positive communication in the circle :)
    Adams Rubble understands internet not working right problems
    arabella Ella: yes Adams ever since I had to move to viewer 20 and Emerald these problems started
    Adams Rubble: I think we mostly have positive communication Yak
    arabella Ella: and i have spent hours and hours trying to resolve them
    Adams Rubble: I have stayed away from the 2.0 so far, just use emerald

    Visitor1: I must go now. Nice to meet you all
    Adams Rubble: bye Visitor1
    arabella Ella: bye Visitor1

    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care Visitor1
    arabella Ella: both 2.0 and Emerald give me the same problem
    arabella Ella: maybe today's crash was a one off ... wishful thinking
    Adams Rubble: sorry to hear that Arabella
    arabella Ella: it's ok
    Adams Rubble: Is your question about being a GOC Yak?
    arabella Ella: am thinking positively
    arabella Ella: do you need a new topic?
    arabella Ella: or do you have one?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it´s a goc related concern often
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ara feel free :)
    arabella Ella: ok here goes

    humility and compassion, are those the same?

    arabella Ella: what is humility?
    arabella Ella: is it a good thing whatever it is?
    arabella Ella: or not?
    arabella Ella: would appreciate your opinions
    Adams Rubble: :)
    arabella Ella: how can we perceive it?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Something that is difficult to discuss, but easy to have
    Adams Rubble: It is one of those things we can frame so many different ways
    arabella Ella: what is it to be humble then?
    arabella Ella: anyone have any examples?
    Adams Rubble: People who think of others first are said to be humble

        --BELL--

    Adams Rubble: but they may be loving and compassionate
    arabella Ella: are humility and submissiveness similar?
    stevenaia Michinaga: for me it's people who ARE... but need not ay they are humble, as it us usually quite evident
    Adams Rubble: submissiveness suggests a power situation
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s a tricky thing, if you have nothing you can´t have humility since you have to have the true the potential to be not humilid in order to preserve humility
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: humility suggests unspoken assuredness
    Adams Rubble: humbleness may be a lack of interest in power
    arabella Ella: any examples of great historical figures who were also humble?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: madame i am ur humble servant :)
    arabella Ella: as my issue is
    arabella Ella: whenever i read about the lives of people who we may generally consider as humble
    Adams Rubble: Mother Theresa, Saint Francis
    arabella Ella: gandhi for example
    Adams Rubble: yes
    arabella Ella: he was also a very assertive person who also went in for quite a few conflicts not all of which are admirable
    stevenaia Michinaga: then is a compassionate person always a humble person?
    Adams Rubble: although Gandhi used his humbleness to affect power :)
    arabella Ella nods
    Adams Rubble: a compassionate person may be perceived as humble
    arabella Ella: and apparently part of his influence caused quite a lot of bloodshed too
    Adams Rubble: yes, but the power vacuum let loose hatreds that had been suppressed
    Adams Rubble: not due to Gandhi's actions
    arabella Ella: interesting way of putting it adams
    Adams Rubble: the same when communism collapsed
    arabella Ella: in what sense Adams?
    Bleu Oleander: (humbly requests to be excused .... bfn all :)
    Adams Rubble: grudges that had been suppressed for decades were let loose
    Adams Rubble: bye Bleu :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care bleu
    arabella Ella: bye Bleu
    arabella Ella nods
    arabella Ella: so could we take it that a humble person is analogous to an ant who ...
    arabella Ella: works quietly and patiently to cause good for others and ...
    arabella Ella: who does not brag or show or do any thing demonstrative to show what is being done?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, the way you define it Arabella :)
    arabella Ella: i used the analogy of ants as they work hard and no one notices until the ant hill becomes really huge and apparent
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Liza :)
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders if humility if defined by the judgement of others?
    arabella Ella: the opposite would be an analogy of placing a frog in warm water and boiling it slowly
    arabella Ella: Hiya Liza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
    arabella Ella: do you think it is steve? defined by others' judgements?
    arabella Ella: we are discussing humility Liza
    stevenaia Michinaga: if the ant is working in solitude, is that humility?
    Liza Deischer: okay, thanks
    stevenaia Michinaga: humility
    Qt Core: is calling oneself humble humble ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: that seems to be the deal breaker Qt
    arabella Ella: if i knew i would not be asking these questions :)
    arabella Ella: altho i don't think an ant ever works in isolation or if so very rarely
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can be humble and say you are, as then you would not be humble
    arabella Ella: that reminds me steve of public speakers
    arabella Ella: who say i will not take up much of your time
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    arabella Ella: and then go on boringly for ever with empty rhetoric
    Adams Rubble: we might not brag about our accomplishments, but may be very aware of them
    Adams Rubble: hehe Arabella
    arabella Ella: politicians do that, preachers too

    Qt Core: hi Visitor2
    arabella Ella: Hiya Visitor2!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Visitor2
    Liza Deischer: hi Visitor2
    Visitor2: hello

    Adams Rubble: and even be proud of those accomplishments
    stevenaia Michinaga: they are rarely humble
    arabella Ella: ah ... can pride co-exist with humility I wonder?
    arabella Ella: i think we agreed that compassion can
    Adams Rubble: In that case people may perceive of someone as humble
    stevenaia Michinaga: leastwe forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humility
    arabella Ella: do you mean due to their rhetoric Adams?
    Adams Rubble: they may appear humble to others
    Adams Rubble: Maybe the best way to avoid that trap is not to think about being humble but try to be loving and compassionate
    Adams Rubble: like your ants Arabella :)
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Adams Rubble: the way you defined them
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: it just came to mind as i wrote it
    Adams Rubble: if the ants were more compassionate they might not be eating my garage :)
    arabella Ella: oh nooooooo
    arabella Ella: what are they eating in your garage?

        --BELL--

    Adams Rubble: The ants think my garage is a dead tree Arabella :)
    Liza Deischer: I forgot, this is my slot
    Adams Rubble: they have a point
    Liza Deischer: sorry about that
    arabella Ella: so is it built of timber?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    arabella Ella: owwwww
    arabella Ella: something on humility from Wiki link

    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go. bye all, thanks for the discussion
    arabella Ella: bye Adams
    Liza Deischer: bye Adams :)
    Qt Core: bye Adams

    arabella Ella: Chan (Zen) Master Li Yuansong states that enlightenment can come only after humility – the wisdom of realizing one's own ignorance, insignificance, and lowliness, without which one cannot see the truth
    arabella Ella: (from Wikipedia)
    Liza Deischer: yes, but not to be mixed up with feeling of low selfesteem and guilt
    arabella Ella nods

    Qt Core: have to go, bye all
    arabella Ella: notte Qt
    Liza Deischer: bye QT

    hmmmm, wasn't really into the discussion so it seems: :)

    Liza Deischer: sorry, I'm afraid I was caught up in some financial .....stuff..... after that forgot all about the slot
    arabella Ella: no worries Liza
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to claim it :)
    arabella Ella: glad to see you made it anyway
    Liza Deischer: I already did
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Liza Deischer: thanks :)
    Liza Deischer: I was so happy to at least have managed my financial situation...... :))
    arabella Ella: yes that is always a bit of a headache
    arabella Ella: financial stuff i mean
    Liza Deischer: yes, not my hobby
    arabella Ella: somehow i find it even worse when it is personal stuff
    arabella Ella: as opposed to work stuff
    Liza Deischer: it is
    Liza Deischer: to me it feels the same
    Liza Deischer: at work you just take care of it, at home I think, well.........tomorrow
    arabella Ella: exactly ... procrastinate personal stuff
    arabella Ella: makes things worse
    Liza Deischer: yes
    arabella Ella: but we are only human
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
    arabella Ella: not trans human yet
    Liza Deischer: true Ara
    arabella Ella: bye Yaku
    Liza Deischer: eh.... bye Yaku (is looking in the air)
    arabella Ella: oh Liza since you are in Europe have you seen the lovely full moon tonight?
    arabella Ella: steve i guess is still daylight
    Liza Deischer: no, I didn't
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but it lights the night sky here too
    arabella Ella: yes but later for you steve ... LOL
    Liza Deischer: oh yes, i see it, beautiful
    stevenaia Michinaga: night shadows... I mean moon shadows
    arabella Ella: yes it is fantastic in its splendor tonight
    arabella Ella: a midsummer full moon
    Liza Deischer: yes, and such a nice color
    stevenaia Michinaga: is there a name for this solstice moon?
    arabella Ella: yes slightly yellowish
    Liza Deischer: yes
    arabella Ella: i'm afraid i dont know steve
    Liza Deischer: me neither

        --BELL--

    arabella Ella: i just said midsummer moon since midsummer 21/06 was only a few days ago
    Liza Deischer: I know, Cal reminded me at the exact moment :)
    arabella Ella: i wonder why we say midsummer as i dont feel June is the middle of summer in spite of it being the longest daylight day
    arabella Ella: for me august is middle of summer
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, start of summer but the beginning of shorter days
    arabella Ella nods
    Liza Deischer: I think it is made out of two saparate words
    arabella Ella: not sure
    Liza Deischer: mid als in middle of the year and summer
    Liza Deischer: me neither, just a thought
    arabella Ella: yes
    Liza Deischer: how many a's are there in separate anyway?
    arabella Ella: this time it is correct Liza :)
    Liza Deischer: :)
    arabella Ella: two 'a's
    arabella Ella: but we all make spelling errors
    Liza Deischer: yes, but to me it is also a learning process
    stevenaia Michinaga: or in my case, I make all the spelling errors
    Liza Deischer: like to learn english in the proper way
    arabella Ella: you are the english speaker here steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Liza Deischer: speaker?
    stevenaia Michinaga: but a bad speeler
    arabella Ella: i think SL is a great platform for improving languages not just english
    stevenaia Michinaga: speller (and typist)
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: speeler steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: "speller"
    Liza Deischer: true, but I only speak english here
    arabella Ella: i have chatted in other languages
    stevenaia Michinaga: and you do it well
    Liza Deischer: thanks
    arabella Ella: yes Liza you speak very good english
    Liza Deischer: but I don't feel comfortable in German and French is really out of my leage
    Liza Deischer: *with
    arabella Ella: i think i used italian most after english on SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: "league"
    arabella Ella: then just a bit of German and French
    Liza Deischer: thanks Steve :)
    arabella Ella: some english words are spelt in such weird ways
    Liza Deischer: oh, tell me about it, I'm slightly dislectic
    Liza Deischer: dyslectic?
    arabella Ella: dyslexic
    Liza Deischer: dyslexic :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: some english words in england are spelled diffreently in the States
    arabella Ella: yes
    Liza Deischer: that too
    arabella Ella: and some have different meanings too
    arabella Ella: or different words used for same thing
    arabella Ella: like elevator and lift
    arabella Ella: or trunk and boot
    arabella Ella: and glasses and shades
    arabella Ella: or also life and ride
    arabella Ella: sorry *lift
    stevenaia Michinaga: color and colour
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: behaviour
    Liza Deischer: anything with an 'ou' it seems
    arabella Ella: yes and 's' and 'z' in ize
    Liza Deischer: realize

    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, laundry is calling
    arabella Ella: bye Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: good to be here with you
    Liza Deischer: bye Steve
    arabella Ella: great to c u have a good day don't forget the full moon
    Liza Deischer: I don't know if he all got that :)
    arabella Ella: LOL ... never mind
    Liza Deischer: :))

        --BELL--

    Liza Deischer: need to go
    arabella Ella: yes me too
    Liza Deischer: see you Ara :)
    arabella Ella: good night Liza
    Liza Deischer: nite
    arabella Ella: cya

     

    post-log note - The names of 2 participants were changed to Visitor1 and Visitor2, as consent to post comments was not found, and neither name was present in other logs.

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