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*The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan*.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fef

Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you today ?

Fefonz Quan: hey yaku

Fefonz Quan: very good, and you?

Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to keep myself distracted

Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing serious :)

Fefonz Quan: distracted from what?

Yakuzza Lethecus: different issues, my approach to second life and how i can find contacts i can elaborate upon further

Yakuzza Lethecus: then a contact who isnÂ´t comming online for 3-4 days

Fefonz Quan: i didn't understand the answer, but never mind

Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: so what are your latest thoughts concerning ur use of secondlife/kira/pab ?

Fefonz Quan: I like being at pab, i wish i could be here more, the busy RL live doesn't leave me much time

Yakuzza Lethecus: hello crusty

Fefonz Quan: hello crusty\

Crusty Goldshark: hi guys

Yakuzza Lethecus: crusty ur mic is on

Yakuzza Lethecus: at least it was for a short while

Yakuzza Lethecus: nvm

Fefonz Quan: wht was for a short while?

Crusty Goldshark: what is nvm?

Yakuzza Lethecus: nevermind, but there it was again

Yakuzza Lethecus: can you stop ur mic propably ? anyway nice to see you again

Crusty Goldshark: should be off now

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal

Fefonz Quan: hey calvino

Crusty Goldshark: hey calvino

Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone !

Crusty Goldshark: :)

Fefonz Quan: hello Zaldaan

Zaldaan Sirnah: Hello as in, "Peace!"?

Fefonz Quan: well i guess :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hello zaldaan

Zaldaan Sirnah: Well, I hope you're day is going well so far

Zaldaan Sirnah: I guess

Zaldaan Sirnah: :)

Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, Zal. Here we are again :) And what shall we do with this irreplacable resource of Time ?

--BELL--

Zaldaan Sirnah: We should be quiet and make proper use of our time here. :)

Fefonz Quan: hello sartre

Fefonz Quan: i guess you've been here before, haven't you?

Sartre Placebo: yaku here

Sartre Placebo: pil island got a discussion on kierkegaard

Sartre Placebo: but i only got age verification on yakuzza

Calvino Rabeni: sartre, I know you and yaku have attended many philosophy discussions in SL

Fefonz Quan: ok good to see youy then :)

Calvino Rabeni: I wonder if you can help me appreciate their value a bit more than I do

Sartre Placebo: the value of the discussions ?

Calvino Rabeni: as the ones I have attended - I'm not really sure why I would go to them

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the discussions are not very easy to learn from, for me

Calvino Rabeni: and I think, mainly arguments, if you know what I mean

Sartre Placebo: actually, you see the ppl whom are able to discuss the topics and you see those who canÂ´t

Calvino Rabeni: and not too good at sticking to the topic :)

Sartre Placebo: i consider myself not able to discuss those philosophical topics well

Calvino Rabeni: - enough said I hope, since I don't like to criticize

Fefonz Quan: argument can be useful, if done with good manners

Sartre Placebo: but there are some ppl i often find whom i could ask something sometimes

Calvino Rabeni: Maybe, Fef, but I haven't seen it happen much

Fefonz Quan: i can speak from recent experience, haven't spent much time here lately.

Fefonz Quan: but whta i remember from the past, when profound topics where discussed, concerning the practice and viewponts we see here, it was very interesting

Fefonz Quan: surely it needs some focus on the topic, not just chit chat around.

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I often find it interesting in PAB, but haven't much enjoyed the philosophy groups in SL

Fefonz Quan: ah, i see.

Sartre Placebo: they ainÂ´t professional philosophy, of course not cal

Calvino Rabeni: so that is what I was asking about - e.g. discussing kirkegaard, or kohlberg

Sartre Placebo: but for example www.thephilosophyclass.blogspot.com is really great

Sartre Placebo: but herman is doing a summerbreak now

Calvino Rabeni: Do you, make use of muting, to filter out the ones who go off topic and and engage in flame bait?

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there are some good philosophy blogs on the net, I've found

Calvino Rabeni: I'm just not sure the value of the discussion formats in SL

Fefonz Quan: I've never used it, neither i remember seenig someone else do it. maybe once.

Bleu Oleander: hi all :)

Calvino Rabeni: I was going to ask Rhi - for example - "why is it you do this?"

Zaldaan Sirnah: Blue :)

Sartre Placebo: hey bleu :)

Fefonz Quan: hey bleu!

Calvino Rabeni: And I admire her snappy mind and ability to somewhat handle the chaos of such groups

--BELL--

Sartre Placebo: actually, rhi is extremly controversial and there is a lot of gossiping about her around

Calvino Rabeni: :) that's surely true also :)

Fefonz Quan: friends, i will have to leave, it's late here and i am really tired. take care, and have a good night/evening.

Bleu Oleander: nite Fefonz

Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)

Fefonz Quan: night all _/!\_

Sartre Placebo: night fef

Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_

Zaldaan Sirnah: whatever that symbol is, I believe I'm seeing it wrong.

Sartre Placebo: namaste

Calvino Rabeni: You're right, there is a "side show" around Rhi

Wol Euler: hello cal, zaldaan, sartre, bleu

Sartre Placebo: hey wol :)

Bleu Oleander: hey Wol

Wol Euler: side show of what?

Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Qt

Qt Core: hi all

Sartre Placebo: hey qt

Wol Euler: hello qt

Sartre Placebo: of the character rhiannon around philosophy island

Wol Euler: ah

Wol Euler will wait to read the log :)

Calvino Rabeni: Well, there gets to be a kind of Fight Club quality to it

Sartre Placebo: if itÂ´s a guy called scott or other disruptive behavior and alike... many uncertain things

Sartre Placebo: yeah

Calvino Rabeni: and maybe that attracts people

Sartre Placebo: actually when i am interested into philosophy itself i look to itunesU and other lectures

Calvino Rabeni: "philosophy smackdown!"

Sartre Placebo: secondlife provides the option to fine sometimes ppl to talk to

Sartre Placebo: itÂ´s good to have those on the fiendshiplist

Calvino Rabeni: I agree, and there are some good youtube collections with real philosophers too

Sartre Placebo: nods

Sartre Placebo: even some 70th 80th recordings are still great

Calvino Rabeni: True, Sartre, you can find good dialogue friends in those groups sometimes

Calvino Rabeni: But I start to feel guilty

Calvino Rabeni: When young, I thought I'd live forever :)

Calvino Rabeni: Now it seems, time becomes more and more valuable

Calvino Rabeni: (not to exaggerate, but you know that spiritual metaphor of death being over ones shoudler)

Sartre Placebo: i often have a rough time to communicate the things i am percieving and thinking about

Sartre Placebo: i donÂ´t believe that i think in lanuguage and pab for example also is partly a process to verbalize issues of daily routines

Sartre Placebo: to find a common vocabulary, of course dropping, appreaciate the presence of apprearances as presentation of being and alike

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: The huge majority of experiences are simply unexpressible - I think it's something to get accustomed to, because we can't struggle to be more articulate and eventually succeed at that struggle

Wol Euler: hello lucis, have you been here before?

Lucis Raynier: yes

Lucis Raynier: hi all

Wol Euler: ok, just checking :)

Calvino Rabeni: Hello Lucis

Bleu Oleander: hi Lucis

Qt Core: hi Lucis

Lucis Raynier: hi Bleu

Lucis Raynier: hi Qt

Sartre Placebo: hey lucis

Lucis Raynier: hey Sartre

Calvino Rabeni: hehe, that avatar Lucis, the snake represents Ego ?

Calvino Rabeni: Just kidding, but it could make a good metaphor

Wol Euler: indeed.

Wol Euler: very different to the cobra that protected the Buddha :)

Lucis Raynier: meep

Wol Euler: (if I remember that story/image rightly)

Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes it seems like - every human has one of those things wrapped around him / herself, but pretending it isn't actully there

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: at laest one :)

Calvino Rabeni: Oh, at *least* :)

Lucis Raynier: in RL I feellike this

Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni imagines a Theme Session - "Wear a Serpent to PAB Day"

Wol Euler: sorry to hear it, lucis; but good that you are aware of it

Calvino Rabeni: So that image can be a good illustration for a feeling - making it clearer perhaps

Wol Euler nods.

Calvino Rabeni: Wol understands this well, I guessed

Wol Euler: that could be a PaB-Art project :)

Sartre Placebo: sleep well everyone

Wol Euler: bye sartre, take care

Bleu Oleander: bye Sartre

Bleu Oleander: could :)

Calvino Rabeni: And happy contemplations :)

Lucis Raynier: bb Sartre

Wol Euler nods to Calvino. Expressing feelings through appearance

Bleu Oleander makes note for future project

Wol Euler grins

Lucis Raynier: I'm sorry my internet very slow

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Bleu, I kind of like that possibility you might be thinking

Calvino Rabeni: how to express some aspect of self, through avatar

Calvino Rabeni: a kind of costume, to reveal more than conceal

Bleu Oleander: great ideas

Wol Euler: I'd thought of something similar as a workshop exercise

Bleu Oleander: maybe combo workshop/art project?

Wol Euler: to decorate a prim to represent yourself

Wol Euler: indeed, that would be good.

Wol Euler: cross-fertilization, or some such idea

Bleu Oleander: interdisciplinary?

Wol Euler: that too

Lucis Raynier: ethereal snake in RL i feel around my body

Qt Core: nice, i cou;d be bad in two fields at the same time ;-)

--BELL--

Lucis Raynier: please visit our esoterc bookshop in Moscow ))

Wol Euler: ah! I remember you now, yes :)

Wol Euler: I guess we are all imagining our prim representations

Wol Euler: *self-representations

Bleu Oleander: wheels turning :)

Calvino Rabeni: Ah, no, I was involved in a separate issue in IM

Wol Euler smiles. Me too actually.

Calvino Rabeni: It would be good to have some tutorials on avatars

Calvino Rabeni: I don't know the basics

Wol Euler nods. Let's add that to the workshop!

Calvino Rabeni: of what you can do to modify them

Wol Euler: there will definitely be sessions on the apperance editor

Wol Euler: and modifying worn prims

Calvino Rabeni: How does the box-bot avatar work?

Calvino Rabeni: Or, I saw one that looked like a Tea Tray

Wol Euler: and I'd like to put Bleu on the spot in public by inviting her to talk about making clothes from painted textures

Bleu Oleander: when is your workshop?

Calvino Rabeni: with food on it

Bleu Oleander: sure

Wol Euler: it'll be this summer, probably starting in september

Wol Euler: but have to clear this with Kira still.

Bleu Oleander: could do the art project during the workshop

Qt Core: a building workshop ?

Wol Euler: a "SL-ness of SL" workshop, on character and identity and appearance

Wol Euler: how they are created and displayed here

Wol Euler: and how they reinforce each other

Bleu Oleander: using that theme for the art project also?

Wol Euler: yes

Bleu Oleander: fun

Qt Core: so we can have an av rapresenting sl we instead being the other way around, interesting ;)

Wol Euler: that arose some months ago actually, when qt first wore a pure cube avatar

Wol Euler: I thought "if he put a Star Trek communicator badge on, everyone would know it was him"

Wol Euler: and then thought onwards

Qt Core: ;-)

Wol Euler: Fef: red top, blue bottom

Wol Euler: Yaku: fleshpink top, rest black

Wol Euler: me: black latex and lace

Wol Euler grinds

Wol Euler: *grins

Calvino Rabeni: :))

Calvino Rabeni: Slip of the day :)

Bleu Oleander: me?

Wol Euler: yep :)=

Wol Euler: well, you and very tricky because you change appearance all the time

Bleu Oleander: so easy in sl

Wol Euler: but are always very colourful and full of swirly semirandom patterns

Wol Euler: so that suggests a texture that could be primwrapped

Qt Core: and skinny and tall

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I've got it (bleu):

Wol Euler: a rubik's cube of your whaleshark-skin pattern in andy warhol colours :)

Bleu Oleander: i like it :)

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: I think it's a great exercise

Wol Euler: but I can see that it might be intimidating to people who aren't comfortable with building or texturing

Bleu Oleander: well we can work through the next art project first

Wol Euler: so we might do htat one fairly late int he process, after people have had successful experiences doing other simpler exercises

Bleu Oleander: which is basic building adding textures

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: and yes, cal, we could certainly do tutorials about htat

Bleu Oleander: the "Being Puzzled" project

Calvino Rabeni: I think, there were tech barriers to participation in the previous Art events

Bleu Oleander: everyone was/is encouraged to work together and/or ask for help

Calvino Rabeni: tutorials are not necessarily fun to produce, but they are helpful

Wol Euler nods.

Calvino Rabeni: Sure, but you know how that goes

Bleu Oleander: I helped a few

Bleu Oleander: Storm did too

Calvino Rabeni: People don't like to ask, don't know what to ask, etc. for as much help as they could use

Bleu Oleander: so maybe we should have a quick how-to session at the start of each project for those that would like it

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: good idea

Wol Euler: true, cal, and yet this (SL) is one of the most concentratedly helpful and generous-with-time-and-knowledge places in the universe!

Bleu Oleander: you can get some great effects using simple techniques

Wol Euler: wb lucis

Zaldaan Sirnah: Except for Planet Generosity.

Lucis Raynier: what mean wb?

Qt Core: welcome back

Lucis Raynier: ok ty

Wol Euler: execpt for Planet Generosity, yes :)

Qt Core: what is Planet Generosity ?

Bleu Oleander: gtg .... fun ideas for the workshop/art project ... bfn :)

Wol Euler: SL residents are very much more helpful than is typical in other/older Internet communities

Qt Core: bye Bleu

Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care

Lucis Raynier: bb bleu

Qt Core: just thinking about people wandering in rl asking how to build a 3 storey house "by hand" ... and people giving answers too! :-)

Wol Euler: try it, qt, it works.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: you'd be directed very quickly to the Ivory Tower of Prims, a kind of 3d built tutorial on primbuilding

Qt Core: (i told rl)

Wol Euler is blind, and apologises profusely.

Wol Euler: it wouldn't work so well in RL, that is very true

Qt Core: i think i have my default landing place (i have no real home) a few hundred meters from that tower

Lucis Raynier: nice to see you all/ I need to go in RL with my snake :)

Wol Euler: :)

Qt Core: have fun, bye

Wol Euler: take care, lucis.

Wol Euler: in addition to everything else it is, SL is a concentrator of nice people, it brings them together and rewards them for being nice to each other

Wol Euler: whereas much of RL seems to be a zero-sum game

Wol Euler: where I can only win what you lose

Qt Core: like, but at a higher level, all place/situation you choose to be in and have to work to be in

Qt Core: the fun thing (just got this now may be wrong) is that in most of the other situations people have a goal in common here people have many different goals

Wol Euler considers.

Wol Euler: so we don't compete here, you mean?

Wol Euler: that could be true, yes.

Wol Euler: and there is definitely no shortage of material resources here

Qt Core: yes and no

Qt Core: i wasn't thinking about competing but about having different goal

Qt Core: people seeking friendly or romantic relationship, just wasting time, doing whichever kind of rpg, having fun becoming a famous stylist ot architect

Wol Euler: ah, right, yes.

Qt Core: talking about being or just books

Qt Core: speaking about books... yesterday i finished Infinite Jest (i toke it slow)... wanted to burn it at the (non) end

Wol Euler: ha!

Wol Euler: yes, my reaction too

Calvino Rabeni: OI

Wol Euler: I'll be curious to talk to you about it in another three or four months :)

Wol Euler: what did you think?

Calvino Rabeni: I tried it, thanks but no thanks :)

Zaldaan Sirnah: brb

Qt Core: not sure yet, maybe i have to let it settle down a couple day (i'm mostly sad about Pemulis and want to know about DOn and Hal

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: I loved it. It really spoke to me.

Wol Euler: and the ending was odd and very irritating

Calvino Rabeni: How did it speak to you Wol?

Wol Euler: but then I thought: Doyou really think that someone as careful and controlled and thoughtful as DFW would let this happen by accident?

Wol Euler: no

Wol Euler: so it must have been an intention. SO what does it mean?

Calvino Rabeni: Passive aggressive author?

Wol Euler: heheheheh

--BELL--

Qt Core: that life don't have closed ends ? or just not live happy after

Wol Euler: DFW wrote so well about ordinariness, about normal life and dull daily things, in the setting of this novel about very extraordinary peop.

Wol Euler: people

Wol Euler: the chapter about the AA meeting was so good, I went back and read it again before continuing

Wol Euler: and ever since then I see addiction and support groups in a different light

Qt Core: yes, alll the Gately subplot was good

Wol Euler: oh yes

Wol Euler: and Madame Psychosis!"

Wol Euler: I so desperately want to listen to her radio program

Qt Core: i liked that in the end it (almost) tied all the plots (made me a little angry in the beginning)

Qt Core: :-)

Qt Core: we may have to ask to the GOC to put a spoilerr before this part of the session ;-)

Wol Euler: yes, you're right. Big red spoiler alert needed

Qt Core: my edition had a lot of notes (over 300) in the end wit some pieces several pages long additions (not in previous edition i think)

Qt Core: most of them were a fast corse in narcoleptics and general drug use

Wol Euler: ah, yes, the dozen-page-long footnotes

Wol Euler: the footnotes with footnoes of their own :)

Wol Euler: I read it with two bookmarks :)

Qt Core: yes, i like real footnotes much more (especlialy Pratchett's ones)

Qt Core: (i just switched one there and here

Qt Core: haven't yet choosen the next book

Wol Euler: what are you reading now?

Qt Core: nothing, haven't choose yet

Wol Euler: what?

Wol Euler: do you really mean "nothing"?

Wol Euler: how can you read *nothing*?

Calvino Rabeni: If you're asking me, it's "A Year With Rilke"

Qt Core: ended a book yesterday night have to choose another before going to bed

Wol Euler: ah, ok :)

Calvino Rabeni: some day perhaps a Literati will initiate me into the joys of the Novel

Qt Core: is there a Novel titled book ?

Qt Core: qite original...

Wol Euler: I'm trying to think of whether I know any website to recommend to you, Cal, but all the ones I can think of right now are full of spoilers

Wol Euler: I read it last summer, because a blogging buddy of mine was co-initiatrix of a web project thingy called "infinite summer"

--BELL--

Wol Euler: to read the whole damned book in the course of summer holiday 2009

Qt Core: time to go choosing a book ;-)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: goodnight qt, choose wisely

Wol Euler: wb zaldaan

Qt Core: bye all, have fun and/or sleep well

Wol Euler: "a year with rilke", eh?

Zaldaan Sirnah: wb respectively

Calvino Rabeni: yes, it is a collection of short passages or poems

Calvino Rabeni: mostly selected with a kind of buddhist / mindfulness theme

Wol Euler: heh

Wol Euler: what a great secondary idea :)

Calvino Rabeni: A bit like one of those "daily meditation" books

Calvino Rabeni: A nice compilation, for people like me, too lazy to sift the originals :)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: rilke was, how shall I put it, prolific.

Wol Euler: there is a lot of sifting to be done

Wol Euler: I like his poetry a lot, but I do sometimes wish he'd had an editor :)

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, thus the advantage of a collection such as this

Calvino Rabeni: Here's a quote, pertaining to questioning / not-knowing

Calvino Rabeni: "I want to ask you, as clearly as I can, to bear with patients all that is unresolved in your heart, and try to love the questions themselves, as if they were rooms yet to enter or books written in a foreign language. Don't dig for answers that can't be given you yet: you cannot live them now. For everything must be lived. Live the questions now, perhaps then, someday, you will gradually, without noticing, live into the answer."

Calvino Rabeni: *patience, not "patients"

Wol Euler nods thoughtfully

Calvino Rabeni: heheh

--BELL--

Wol Euler: APPPB: Appreciate the Presence of Poetry as a Presentaiton by Being

Calvino Rabeni: hmm, there's been a break in the cloud cover of this afternoon summer day

Calvino Rabeni: Carpe Sol

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: go for it.

Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Wol / Zal

Wol Euler: let's call it a day, then. It's been long enough

Wol Euler: goodnight cal, enjoy the sun

Calvino Rabeni: T

Wol Euler: bye zaldaan, take care

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