2010.07.05 07:00 - Time is a Great Teacher

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The few comments are by Eden Haiku.

    Eden Haiku: Hi Sartre!

    Sartre Placebo: hey eden :)

    Eden Haiku: Good morning Bleu :)

    Bleu Oleander: hi Sartre, Eden :)

    Sartre Placebo: hi bleu

    Bleu Oleander: how are you both?

    Eden Haiku: Good thanks. And you?

    Bleu Oleander: great .... it's a holiday here and a beautiful day

    Eden Haiku: 4th of July spilling on Monday?

    Bleu Oleander: yes

    Eden Haiku: ;)

    Eden Haiku: It is going to be very hot and humid in Montreal today. I'm happy I'm going back to the hills this afternoon

    Bleu Oleander: nice to have the hills to go to :)

    Sartre Placebo: ah, i thought ur indian friends were visiting you in the hills

    Eden Haiku: This time I'm not coming back before September ;))

    Bleu Oleander: lovely

    Eden Haiku: Pondering on puzzles Bleu...Life puzzles. being puzzled...

    Bleu Oleander: yes, lots of puzzles

Eden Haiku: Mine right now is how to get out of a maze that pushes me to say yes when I mean 'No".

    Eden Haiku: There is "The power of now"




    Eden Haiku: looking for "the power of no":)

    Bleu Oleander: :)

    Sartre Placebo: that's a topic for zen :)

    Eden Haiku: Zen, Zen, where are you ???

    Sartre Placebo: sadly not here

    Eden Haiku: Not now at least :))

    Sartre Placebo: but ,"the power of now" is a book by eckhart tolle :)

    Sartre Placebo: zen spoke a lot about :)

    Eden Haiku: Right, he did.

    Eden Haiku: I've listened to the audio book.

    Bleu Oleander: did you like it?

    Eden Haiku: Yes, very powerful. Especially what Tolle calls the "pain body".

    Bleu Oleander: what is that?

    Eden Haiku: The unconscious part of us that overreacts caused by past pains.

    Eden Haiku: I like the fact that he gives it a name.

    Eden Haiku: Being aware that we are reacting cause our "pain body" is awakening is a step towards being in the now.

    Bleu Oleander: interesting

    Eden Haiku: I see it as some drawing by Max Ernst representing a web of webs inside a humane skull.

    Bleu Oleander: how does he say we become aware of our nonconsciousness?

    Eden Haiku: Some painting I have seen in a book when I was 19 years old and creating costumes for a Shakespeare play in college.

    Bleu Oleander: some of our nonconsciousness is not available to us

    Eden Haiku: Never found the painting again but is still clear in my memory. :) Yes, nonconsciousness not available for us, a good thing I would say :)

    Eden Haiku: @Bleu about becoming aware. He says just witness what is happening in your body if you have a strong reaction.

    Eden Haiku: But I'm exploring something else: the power of NO. (Not a typo :)

    Bleu Oleander: hard to pinpoint where that reaction is coming from

    Bleu Oleander: what do you mean by that?

    Eden Haiku: You would not need to know where it is from: just knowing it is your pain body reacting is helpful. It is not "'you", just that old sequence of past tenses that became you. :)

    Bleu Oleander: which is you

    Eden Haiku: By Power of NO, I mean I'm struggling with consequences of my inability of saying no...

    Eden Haiku: But I'm learning. :) Baby steps...




    Eden Haiku: Do you experiment this sometimes? Saying yes in order to please when you really mean no?

    Bleu Oleander: sure I think everyone does

    Bleu Oleander: in an attempt not to hurt others feelings perhaps?

    Bleu Oleander: or not being confident in your own choices

    Eden Haiku: Thinking...

    Bleu Oleander: some of that seems necessary as "social glue" perhaps .... depends on the situation

    Eden Haiku: I have a tendency to go out of my way to serve others. Then I loose sight of my own needs.

    Bleu Oleander: if going out of your way to help others gives you happiness then that is serving your own needs
Bleu Oleander: it's a balance

    Bleu Oleander: but I know what you mean :)

    Eden Haiku: Yes, a delicate balance.

    Eden Haiku: I have the clear sensation I'm finished with some karma. That's nice :)

    Sartre Placebo: actually such conversations are those i like to "just be around" :)

    Bleu Oleander: what conversations do you mean Sartre?

    Eden Haiku: That's ok Sartre... Just having such a great philosopher in the circle is pleasurable...

    Sartre Placebo: yours right now

Sartre Placebo: a placebo :)

    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, you are only the placebo...:))

    Eden Haiku: How do they translate" L'Etre et le neant" in English? Is it "Being and Nothingness"?

    Sartre Placebo: i remember that title yes




Bleu Oleander: placebo .... something to soothe .... some mental relief rather than an actual effect?

    Eden Haiku: Placebos illustrate the power of the mind I would think: the patient sometimes reacts very well to the medication even if its only fake. 

    Sartre Placebo: i always wonder how much is actually influenced by belief

    Eden Haiku: Why do you like Jean-Paul Sartre Yaku?

    Sartre Placebo: gosh, it was a fancy name by the time i created the alt

    Sartre Placebo: around thothica are many ppl interested in existentialism, phenomenologie

    Eden Haiku: You mean you did not read " Being and Nothingness" in one night and with delight?

    Sartre Placebo: my rl philosophy lecturer made his ph.d on the individualhermeneutics of sartre

    Eden Haiku: oh, I see, thanks :)

    Sartre Placebo: i would be glad to read a book from the start to the end with delight :)

    Eden Haiku: Watched a video that Pila pointed to

    Eden Haiku: About Time and I Ching

    Eden Haiku: By a maths specialist

    Eden Haiku: Terence McKenna

    Eden Haiku: He says

    Eden Haiku: After Einstein

    Eden Haiku: The XXth century greatest researcher about time is Marcel Proust, the French writer

    Eden Haiku: who wrote "Remembrance of Things Past", a wonderful 4,500 pages book.

    Eden Haiku: Looking up for the link for the video

    Bleu Oleander: did you read that?

    Bleu Oleander: just read a great book by a philosopher on time "Introducing Time" by Craig Callender

    Eden Haiku: Yes, I did. It is a wonderful book in many tomes. My favorite writer :)

    Bleu Oleander: we are taking our group to meet with him this fall

    Bleu Oleander: wow, impressive Eden

    Bleu Oleander: don't think I could read a 4,500 page book

    Eden Haiku: Link to the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8418409679371#

    Bleu Oleander: ty!

    Eden Haiku: Craig Callender, thanks, I will look it up. I suppose it is an essay?

    Bleu Oleander: it's a short book, illustrated by a mathematician

    Bleu Oleander: looks easy, but not

    Eden Haiku: What I like about Proust is the fact it is a fiction that goes on an on and on through all little nooks of life, with characters going through time together.

    Bleu Oleander: many deep questions and puzzles

    Eden Haiku: My brother used to tell me: "Hey! this is a book, these people aren't real!" when I kept him posted about what happened to Mme de Guermantes or to little Marcel.

    Eden Haiku: Tell us about one of the puzzles you like in Callender's book Bleu?



Bleu Oleander: he ends by saying that although time is still a great mystery, we've made some progress, we now know better what we don't know!

    Eden Haiku: smiles

Bleu Oleander: Time is a great teacher; unfortunately it kills all of its pupils

    Eden Haiku: laughs, never heard that before. That's good!(On a second thought, I think I did hear it before. But the pleasure of hearing it again was stronger than the memory and it seemed fresh.)

    Bleu Oleander: my favorite quote

    Eden Haiku: Reminding me I still have to pack, leaving in a few hours...

    Eden Haiku: Whose quote is it Bleu?

    Bleu Oleander: have a wonderful summer in the hills

    Bleu Oleander: don't remember ..... i'll look it up (Googled it: it is from Berlioz, the composer)

    Sartre Placebo: thx, you two for sharing

    Eden Haiku: Thank you, I will still be able to connect in-world, just on a smaller screen :))

    Bleu Oleander: oh nice .... look forward to hearing from you then

    Bleu Oleander: bye bye

    Bleu Oleander: have a great day both of you :)

    Eden Haiku: Bye for now! Bye Yaku, bye Bleu :) Have a nice day!

Bleu Oleander: bye Yaku 

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    ***Eden Haiku: My brother used to tell me: "Hey! this is a book, these people aren't real!" when I kept him posted about what happened to Mme de Guermantes or to little Marcel.***
    Hey! This is just what people say about online friends. :) Nice session!
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