2010.07.06 01:00 - All kind of interesting ^j^

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Cosmicflower Ushimawa.

    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hello Dear Ones
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: Dears
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
    Susi Alcott: Hello Cos and Cal _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiling widely
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think I have worked much with thoughts and energies of being kind
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lately
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: very much
    Susi Alcott: oh...
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: why work ?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or not worked
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: whot would be the word
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: been with
    Susi Alcott: ahhh
    Susi Alcott: now I understand _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Susi
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I started rl TaiJi
    Susi Alcott: focused to be yourself
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I love it
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have felt so much like hmm
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: my grail have owerwhelmed
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and have directed it to outer world
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: now
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: kind of
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: started
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to direct it inner
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: as well
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: TaiJi is very good habbit _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: very good _/!\_
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have "gone mad" with it
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in good way
    Susi Alcott: :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Found from Oulu a association of Taiji
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they have summer trainings at the Park
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in the middle of Oulu
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: free for everyone
    Susi Alcott: kk
    Susi Alcott: send his greetings to those people who's arranged that
    Susi Alcott: shoud spread 'all ower'
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes :)
    Susi Alcott: oh Cos
    Susi Alcott: we have not been talking about the baby swimming !!!!
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)) I thought about that
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and there are coming new courses for swiming hall on autumn
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Sami demanded to be there when it starts
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: can it be too late ?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not know
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there were some limits
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: about the weight and age
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: before starting
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: now Simo would start
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but there is not course at summer
    Susi Alcott: that I mean
    Susi Alcott: please remind me of those limits
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: at least 3 months and 5 kilos
    Susi Alcott: as in Turku all courses was full; also in Raisio; so in Raisio they advised me not to wait place, but to take the baby to swim by myself
    Susi Alcott: yes; that was what I did think, but was not crystally sure
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I had a teacher of aikido - some time ago - had a baby the age of simo - they took him to learning swimming - and I was surprised to learn the human infant was able to swim easily, and under water deeply
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: actually when we start to drive to south, we stop and stay one night at Tampere on Ikaalinen Spa hotel
    Calvino Rabeni: but then, he was "used to" being inside, in water
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Thinking to bring Simo swim ;)
    Susi Alcott: yes; as it's not to learn; that's to 'keep' that skill
    Susi Alcott: that is why it's urgent not to wait
    Calvino Rabeni: yes - right
    Susi Alcott: so; this is the base
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and there is skill to keep breath under the water still
    Susi Alcott: and it's natural reaction
    Susi Alcott: I took many babies to baby swim those times
    Susi Alcott: so; the base is that the other helper has the baby on her arms, and the other lifts water ower his head, and as 'same time' as possible, the one who has the baby on his/her arms, dives the baby into the water so that the forehead goes at first into the water
    Susi Alcott: making the shape of bow of them movement; relaxed and yet 'quick'

    Susi Alcott: and sure; who helps the baby to dive, must be completely relaxed
    Susi Alcott: Hello Arch
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Arch **
    Susi Alcott: ahh
    Calvino Rabeni: Arch :)
    Susi Alcott: now I understand why Susi got the call to come here
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Susi. Hi, Cos. Hi, Cal :)
    Susi Alcott: it is so big help to the baby that I cannot describe
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)))
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Susi Alcott: but now my mind compares it to Taiji to adults :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: In my heart I feel Love eaven more Taiji than Pilates ;)
    Susi Alcott: you can think you give the same...even a bit more help to Simo that Taiji gives to you
    Susi Alcott: ah
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yess
    Susi Alcott: I do not know anything of Pilates
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its been a mixture of taiji, yoga and kind of gym where I have gone to Pilates
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: But understood when i went first time to Taiji
    Susi Alcott: aha
    Calvino Rabeni: I have that feeling about taiji and swimming - sometimes I like to do it at night in the dark if I wake from sleeping
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it have been "the one" I have searched for
    Calvino Rabeni: so it feels like swimmng in space
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: <3<3<3
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni     : Or, to do quick movements with eyes closed, during the day - if you send out your energy, then don't get lost or dizzy
    Calvino Rabeni: but if not sending out the energy, it is easy to have the spinning feeling
    Archmage Atlantis: I had not heard the word "taiji" before......looking it up and hearing all of you speak, the best understanding I can sense is something akin to "celestial peace" or "supreme understanding".....is that close?
    Susi Alcott: (thinking the happyness of those baby swimming times)
    Susi Alcott: yes Arch
    Calvino Rabeni     : arch, same as "tai chi" - a chinese martial art and movement practice
    Susi Alcott: (finnish 'version')
    Archmage Atlantis: Thank you.......
    Calvino Rabeni: It used to be more secret - now there are many web videos, but it takes personal instruction to do well
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/search?q=video+%22wave+hands%22+clouds
    Susi Alcott: like there is different 'names' also in chinese what comes to Feng Shui
    Susi Alcott: thankfully those instructions are in one's own spirit's knowledge
    Calvino Rabeni: It is traditional to do it in the parks during good weather
    Susi Alcott: like all one does should be listened to one's self how to
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: Tai Chi I have known of for years, and even practiced a small amount
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Archmage Atlantis: With the environmental damage so near to where I live, "celestial peace" does not feel very easy to sense right now
    Susi Alcott: well...there's been different reasons...and sure still are, why much good things are in secrecy, but thanx the i-net much of that is gone
    Calvino Rabeni: the net and books can show the outer form of things, but many things cannot be learned in that way
    Susi Alcott: a bit thought also if to tell in chat of the baby swimming, but decided to do that thinking that I yet couldn't ever take/have responsibility if that knowledge hurts somebody
    Susi Alcott: so very true
    Susi Alcott: people are different and needs different ways to been help
    Calvino Rabeni: and yet, it can be good if people hear of some new possibilities and then find a way to learn it in person, or as an oral teaching
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm, some people think, subtle energies can be transmitted through recordings, others say, it has to be "live"
    Archmage Atlantis: An interesting observation Cal, my own though is that subtle energies are constantly transmitted through all of life :)
    Susi Alcott: but there's differences 'between' people; all cannot receive
    Calvino Rabeni: live music seems not the same as a recording - what's the difference ?
    Susi Alcott: ppl's presens
    Susi Alcott: that do have the meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes surely
    Calvino Rabeni: but the music is different also, I think
    Susi Alcott: that is also the sharing the same with several people; mind's are together
    Susi Alcott: that is
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Susi Alcott: it's checked with equipments; forced to certain
    Archmage Atlantis: The recording cannot capture the entire spectrum of sound as it echos amount the objects and beings present......but also the recording engineers modify the sound
    Susi Alcott: like you can compare movie to the play as live
    Susi Alcott: movie is always 'in the time it was made'
    Calvino Rabeni: but a meeting of people and music is not just sound
    Susi Alcott: but live play lives inside the moment and is sure experienced also with several minds
    Susi Alcott: Ur so very right
    Susi Alcott: as it sure is not only the music one experience, but also other people's responding
    Archmage Atlantis: Still, it is like a fruit or flower, the memory awakens the live experience when a picture is viewed

    Susi Alcott: also the music is by instruments; the player is not present that way with the recording
    Susi Alcott: but for example solo singer can be reached 'throught' the recording better
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Susi
    Susi Alcott: in case one has been in the concert :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Before recording technology - all music was "live" - and there was a quality of being "ephemeral" - that it is here and now, can never happen again
    Calvino Rabeni: but that is lost as an experience, through recording
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: now it is possible to have "music without presence"
    Calvino Rabeni: that was never possible in historical times
    Calvino Rabeni: we have copies of experience through media
    Calvino Rabeni: it does matter somehow, that they have the imprint of their medium
    Susi Alcott: also that is different experience if one watch a concert from TV; even if it's not live, there's other people watcing it at the same time
    Calvino Rabeni: then people think "memory" is a copy of some experience, rather than a way of seeing it
    Calvino Rabeni: but then forget, memory is not a recording,
    Archmage Atlantis: Cal, this meeting now is not a recording, neither is it live........yet it is as meaningful as either
    Calvino Rabeni: No, it won't be the same, when you read the chat log
    Susi Alcott: and all our friends who reads the blog, can reach us even we are not anymore 'there'....
    Susi Alcott: they can 'travel' to be among us 'now'...
    Susi Alcott: to be connected with us 'then'...
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps - if in their imagination, they can "travel" like that
    Susi Alcott: as well so many of them are within us also now; no matter even if they are asleep or not; some are even better with us for that
    Calvino Rabeni: But if they travel to a recording, it's different
    Susi Alcott: ah...no imagination
    Susi Alcott: spirit is not normally tighted with matter and/or time
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, to parapharase Susi's earlier comment, each of us is unique in our being and our ablitities
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: and no one opens 'to things' only cuz and for one's own self...
    Calvino Rabeni: mmm
    Susi Alcott: nor only based on one's own will and choices
    Susi Alcott: lol; but even less based on other people's 'commanding'
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm just wondering, if having millions of recorded "information" instead of encounters, cheapens that knowledge
    Archmage Atlantis: I do not think so, personally......it enriches
    Calvino Rabeni: Because, it wasn't for nothing, that traditional religions warned against idolatry, for example
    Archmage Atlantis: Things that could not be experienced before can can be
    Calvino Rabeni: They didn't want the images to be take for the real things
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that is still a real issue,, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: I think so
    Susi Alcott: well; brings to my mind these thoughts; as there's so much teachings that have 'turned to be old'....
    Susi Alcott: yet; people 'force' them to be teachings today...
    Archmage Atlantis: An image is not the reality, in my thought, it is only a reminder, a way of experience
    Calvino Rabeni: true Arch
    Susi Alcott: meaning this; so much I've thought that why to quote 'old times' people, and not to share own thoughts of what one has learned of them...
    Susi Alcott: or how one thinks 'today'

    Archmage Atlantis: To create an image is not idolitry, to take the image as the reality is
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes Susi
    Susi Alcott: that people want to 'hide' themself 'behind' that someone they quote
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby it takes contious thinking of "now"
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how to think "now"
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or feel "now"
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: need to examine on-Self
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and think
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: maby its easier to live what "was"?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yesterday
    Archmage Atlantis: Less scary, perhaps :)
    Calvino Rabeni: What you said Cos and Susi, reminds me of a book title - "Liife is only Real, when I Am"
    Calvino Rabeni: By which I mean, a principle
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: well...how about when dont feel one's self, but feels and experience other/s ?
    Archmage Atlantis: If you leave out the word only, then I can agree
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it means, nothing can be seen, except it is oneself who is seeing it
    Calvino Rabeni: and if one can't fully "be", then nothing else can
    Susi Alcott: what about when you see with other beings 'eyes'...emerge with the other being that way that you experience completely what this other being do experience ?
    Susi Alcott: as there sure such happenings also more than much, and mostly one 'lost's' one's own self but as the seeer on such moment
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its difficult to separate was that experience of mine or someone`s else`s
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it kind of need "practice"
    Calvino Rabeni: I think you can only do that, if in full posession of self, to be able to give it over to that experience
    Susi Alcott: even if you emerge with the eagly which is flying up high sky, and experience what he/she experience ?
    Calvino Rabeni: And then it is done through one-ness, not through "not being self"
    Susi Alcott: eagle
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ohh
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think that is about whe is said to "be one"
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what is said to be one
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: shall make some coffee; brb
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, coffee sounds good......
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: slurps her tea ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: brb also
    Calvino Rabeni: slurps tea also :)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
    Susi Alcott: ah; so Arch's existence missed also coffee :)
    Calvino Rabeni: This might seem out of the blue, but, darkness and secrecy are often the womb and shelter of truth
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Archmage Atlantis: brb. again, coffee is made
    Susi Alcott: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I wonder why coffee is so comforting in the morning (smile)
    Calvino Rabeni: and a lot of "soul" is like a wild animal - it will not show itself in the normal light
    Susi Alcott: on the other hand; there is no secrecies...

    Susi Alcott: ...walked quite long path wondering why I see such things that dont concern myself even at all...and had many 'guides' who claimed this and that to be the reason to that...finally found the particle of the truth; very essential, to be the reason; the purpose
    Archmage Atlantis: The guardian timetable shows this as Wester's meeting time, are you standing in Cal? ..... I arrived late.
    Calvino Rabeni: This is cosmic's session for tonight
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah
    Archmage Atlantis: Read the titles, Arch *g*
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm, Susi, then it did concern yourself after all ?)
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; was sure ment to share the knowledge
    Susi Alcott: but as that happened so much withouth that I had any opportunity to 'use' that knowledge at all; not opportunity to share
    Susi Alcott: but some things are sure such that one can receive only at the certain time, and be able to share it muuuuuuch much later
    Calvino Rabeni: Patience needed, I suppose :)
    Susi Alcott: all is related with many things
    Susi Alcott: ah well...hm...just was so surprised of so much...not yet having the knowledge of myself, of the purpose of my life and so
    Susi Alcott: had even guilt that I'de opened such files that would've not been allowed for me to open...even they 'just openend'
    Susi Alcott: lol; and the 'guide' from whom I asked the reason, even 'helped' that guilt to grow
    Calvino Rabeni: errr?
    Susi Alcott: well,,,she said that the reason is cuz I'm so curious...even I had not done anything that those files opened
    Susi Alcott: hm; migh the word 'nosy' be even more describing
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; I addmit, that I dont want to believe anything; I truly wanna know, but that dont mean that I'de breake anybody's privacy for that; as I cannot live anybody else's life...nor to chooce for anybody...
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; also learned to cover somewhat people's minds that I wouldn't see so much
    Susi Alcott: but am no master in that either
    Pema Pera: hi there!
    Susi Alcott: Hi Pema
    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Pema :)
    Pema Pera: still continuing the PaB session ?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Pema
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Pema
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Pema Pera: just dropped in briefly for an IM :-)
    Pema Pera: but good seeing you all here!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: sorry, have to run off for dinner in a few minutes -- looking forward to talking with you all next time!
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, I was thinking it probably time to turn off the recording...........Are you in Japan, Pema
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Have Fun
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye then :)
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Archmage Atlantis: Enjoy dinner :)

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