2010.07.10 07:00 - A very hot day at the pool ! :-)

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bertram Jacobus. The comments are by Bertram Jacobus.


    Bertram Jacobus: hi bruce ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bert. Looks like you're cooling off in there.
    Bertram Jacobus: if you wanna sit in the water ... :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. cooling. you´re absolutely right ! ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: When others arrive and the water disappears, I'm going to try to find a cushion where I can sit as you are sitting. I don't like this "side-saddle" way of sitting.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah . i see. but we can do that also at once ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh ! Much better. Thanks!
    Bertram Jacobus: when you touch the blue cushions, you can get also another sitting position
    Bertram Jacobus: and also the brown ones have two sitting positions
    Bruce Mowbray: This is just fine. Thanks again.
    Bertram Jacobus: you can change them both simply by left clicking while you sit
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh! Well, then -- That's good to know.
    Bertram Jacobus: today i will have to learn again how to claim a session ... others will come and help me ... :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. So much of this is new -- and intriging -- to me. Although I've been in SL for 4 months, I learn new things every single day.
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! i can imagine that very well ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and especially when one has an awake mind ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: one sees so many possibilities and aspects
    Bertram Jacobus: and the so to say sl universe is quite big ...
    Bertram Jacobus: hey sharon ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: an infinity of diversity.
    Bertram Jacobus: yes !
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Sharon.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi there Bertram and Bruce!
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow alfred ! log in at the last position ? :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, bert... you're still here? :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: oi
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe . noooo. you only met a precise timing alf ! ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Alfred - - [speaking of diversity!! ;-)]
    SophiaSharon Larnia: funny, i hear onigokkoo but dont see mad avatars
    Alfred Kelberry: in-pool session continues as i see :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Alfred Kelberry: sophia, interesting observation :)
    Bruce Mowbray: someone dropped the onigokko (rather than detaching it) yesterday.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Bertram Jacobus: yes - if somebody likes to join ...
    Alfred Kelberry: what? the pool is gone?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh ok, well, i'll look for it, will be quiet for a few mins
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's back. was it under the pool? :)
    Bertram Jacobus: only to take a seat if somebody likes - in the pool - plz let me know :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Lia!
    Bertram Jacobus: hi lia ! ... :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Pema!
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Lia.
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Pema.
    Alfred Kelberry: lia always makes me think of lua :)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh - pema also here at this time ! nice ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: to take a seat in the water ... we show the inner seats :
    Pema Pera: hi everybody!
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, pema! good to see you :)
    Pema Pera: cooling down party?
    Bertram Jacobus: yess
    Alfred Kelberry: a rare glimpse of pema :)
    Lia Rikugun: ahh refreshing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is someone taking this session? I can claim it if you wish
    Pema Pera: I don't know, Sharon
    Lia Rikugun: bretram are you taking this session?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I am looking for the renagade onigokkoo atm moment ^^
    Bertram Jacobus: i "have to do it" sharon - ty - my learning session for that today (!)
    Pema Pera: so it would be very nice, yes, if you would do that!
    Pema Pera: oops, srike that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh yea Bertram!
    Pema Pera: thank you Bertram!
    Lia Rikugun: do you know what to do bertram?
    Lia Rikugun: have you clicked on the fountain?
    Bertram Jacobus: i knew it already, but now must see... i go step by step and ask if i don´t know - ok ?
    Alfred Kelberry: lia, it's a confusing question :)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. or an intersting one alf :-)
    Lia Rikugun: great!
    Lia Rikugun: what music is this?
    Bertram Jacobus: somebody dropped an onigokko here ... hope, somebody will be able to remove it again (!) storm perhaps ?
    Alfred Kelberry: i can't hear anything, but sophia says it's someone's fallen oni-tail :)
    Lia Rikugun: stop
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    Lia Rikugun: onigokko
    Lia Rikugun: stop
    Lia Rikugun: hm weird
    Bruce Mowbray: I detached mine yesterday. . .
    Bertram Jacobus: you can switch it off when you use the volume for "sounds" and set it to zero
    Pema Pera: it sure is weird: "the ghost of onigokko!"
    Alfred Kelberry: bruce, is it this flying fish yours?
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - ghosts ... hm
    Pema Pera: hey Hana ! ! ! !
    Bruce Mowbray: It's really not a flying fish -- but, yes... and I am also Blub's human.
    Bertram Jacobus: hello hana :-)
    Pema Pera: we were just talking about ghosts :-)
    Pema Pera: good to see you again
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Hana.
    Lia Rikugun: helo hana
    Hana Furlough: lol! hello everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: em, maybe it's pab's "ghost in the machine" version :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Hana!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I am presently looking for it but haven't found it yet
    Hana Furlough: wow are you all sitting in the fountain?
    Alfred Kelberry: ghosts, pema? in rl?
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, hana, soaking slowly :)
    Bertram Jacobus: if you like too to sit in the cooler water hana : ...
    Bertram Jacobus: please, take a seat at the inner circle (?) :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Here comes Bobby.
    Hana Furlough: ha! thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: nope -- he said he'd arrive later.
    Alfred Kelberry: it's weird how the pool disappears and appears again
    Alfred Kelberry: sort of taking away the authenticity
    Bertram Jacobus: may be a demonstration of some illusions we may have (?) ...
    Bruce Mowbray: gives one a feel for liquid impermanence.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I found it, but because my group permissions do not seem to allow me, I can not return it, I muted it, but I think that only applies to me
    Bruce Mowbray: "liquid" implies a sort of impermanence of form -- sort of. Sort of a permanent impermanence... liquid. Ahhh. Need coffee..
    Bertram Jacobus: and even impermanence of seemingly more compact things ...
    Alfred Kelberry: i've had an "illusion" that this pool and the water in it are sacred in some kind of pab religous way :)
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - great - perhaps pema is allowed to take it away ?
    Bertram Jacobus: oops
    Alfred Kelberry: but then i saw you all soaking there and it became just a pool :)
    Bertram Jacobus: (and you were right sharon : i still hear it when i turn on the sound) ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Alfred Kelberry: em, pema, may i ask a quick off-pab question? :)
    Bertram Jacobus: most people have no clear ideas about what holy means - is my impression ...
    Pema Pera: you already did Alfred :-)
    Pema Pera: but you can ask another one
    Alfred Kelberry: er... :)
    Alfred Kelberry: well, when did you last write something in ruby? *looks at your tag*
    Pema Pera: oh, a few days ago :)
    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bertram Jacobus: hy yaku ! want to sit in the water ? :-)
    Pema Pera: hi Yaku!
    Alfred Kelberry: what was it?
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Yaku.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza
    Lia Rikugun: hi yaku
    Hana Furlough: Hi Yaku
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, yaku
    Alfred Kelberry: sorry about the germany's defeat
    Pema Pera: we're using an arbitrary precision module to write simulation code for much more than quadruple precision
    Pema Pera: yes, pity, Yaku, now we have to plain Spain . . . .
    Pema Pera: *play
    Yakuzza Lethecus: play spain ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because of eliza´s onigokko that somehow went wild :) ?
    Alfred Kelberry: very nice, pema. i thought you don't use it nowadays.
    Pema Pera: Holland is playing against Spain in the World Cup tomorrow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i am not in a soccer mood :P
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and ur american now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so ur out for a while :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i root for nl :)
    Lia Rikugun: congratulations on halland being in the final
    Pema Pera: oh, I can cheer for Holland, for Japan, or for the US
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Pema Pera: I have many options
    Pema Pera: the only problem was a few weeks ago
    Pema Pera: when Holland played Japan
    Alfred Kelberry: ha!
    Pema Pera: that was confusing :-)
    Pema Pera: but "we" won anyway!
    Pema Pera: whatever "we" meant
    Bertram Jacobus: we have an octopus here who predicts all games and it´s winners of the wm - and he never failed (!)
    Bertram Jacobus: his predictions now are : germany wins against uruguya and spain against holland
    Bruce Mowbray: with such accuracy with predictions, one need never have to watch the actual games.
    Alfred Kelberry: soccer is funny, first spain loses some african team, then it gets to the final
    Bertram Jacobus: ty yaku for the ice tea
    Lia Rikugun: we are all going to be drunk :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I read about that octopus Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s very astonishing sharon : really a rate of 100 % (!) :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rather early for long island ice tea in the states, but thank you lol
    Pema Pera: so does the octopus use eight arms to make eight different predictions simultaneously?
    Hana Furlough: thanks, yaku. i don't know where it went, but i'm enjoying it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i got it from bruce yesterday
    Bruce Mowbray: The octopus may be of 8 minds - as well as 8 arms.
    Bertram Jacobus: no. he gets to glasses with food inside and flags of the two contries. which he opens first - they win
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to some extend it´s good that we don´t face the netherlands
    Bertram Jacobus: and sometimes he needs longer ( = difficult win) and sometimes is quick (!) :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: two*
    Alfred Kelberry: where is this octopus?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so many germans like to make vacation in the netherlands but when it comes to soccer oranje is always our enemy
    Bertram Jacobus: in the ruhrgebiet area
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho that i don´t get that :)
    Bertram Jacobus: many camera teams are meanwhile there to watch him predicting ...
    Bertram Jacobus: i heared octopusses had 9 brains (?) ...
    Pema Pera: how many octopi are there? perhaps they film many of them and then choose the one who got it right?
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Pema Pera: hard to tell them apart . . . .
    Lia Rikugun: they do it in advance no?
    Bertram Jacobus: i have no idea - but what i heared ... sounded seriously ... hm
    Bruce Mowbray: re-writing "history" to fit actual events.
    Bertram Jacobus: also serious television companies report that
    Bruce Mowbray: Isn't that how it's always done?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. in advance. sure ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: it's like a groundhog phil, but for the soccer
    Bertram Jacobus: phil also was always right ? :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: History creating the "actual" in the event -- not what really happened, but what historians want us to believe "happened"? A lot easier to do when we didn't have "live" telecasts.
    Alfred Kelberry: traditions are strong
    Alfred Kelberry: even most silly ones
    Lia Rikugun: *hik*
    Alfred Kelberry stands next to sophia :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus came up with the weird idea why we can´t move the earth a bit away from the sun in order to reduce global warming
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...7_octoarm.html
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi (am on phone sorries)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bert: thats ur 9 brain artical
    Yakuzza Lethecus: article
    Alfred Kelberry: no worries :)
    Pema Pera: well, I'll try to get some sleep -- close to midnight here
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - cool - ty yak ! :-)
    Lia Rikugun: good night pema
    Alfred Kelberry: try?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night pema :)
    Bertram Jacobus: have a nice sleep pema
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Hana Furlough: oyasumi nasai, pema
    Bruce Mowbray: Be well -- happy dreams, Pema.
    Pema Pera: どうもどうも、はなさん。^^  (looks japanese)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: does anyone know how to reach storm ?
    Bertram Jacobus: Im him
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I messaged him already Yaku
    Alfred Kelberry: send a pm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, wol told us that he´s the only one who could stop the onigokko of doom
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ok
    Bertram Jacobus: good to know
    Alfred Kelberry: i can't hear it
    Bertram Jacobus: you have the sound switched off alf ?
    Alfred Kelberry: nope
    Bertram Jacobus: the sound "system" on the bottom right allows you to tune various sounds. you rech it by the arrow ... "sound" is the part for it here -
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm using viewer 2 beta
    Bertram Jacobus: but that should also give such options
    Alfred Kelberry: 2.1 actually, it came out the other day
    Alfred Kelberry: yea, it's all on, except button clicks
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm also in V2 -- have all of my sounds enabled, have volume turned all the way up, and still can't hear it.
    Alfred Kelberry: maybe they did something in 2.0 :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - interesting - therefore it´s a beta version ! (?) ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear. YAKU!!!!
    Alfred Kelberry: yuka, no more apple juice for you :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: some sand would look neat around the pool
    Bruce Mowbray: Alfred is wise not to soak with us here in the pool, lest the boxes get soggy.
    Alfred Kelberry: correct :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. he might loose all his structures (!) ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: ask me how do i know that :)
    Bruce Mowbray: This used to be a fountain ... what turned it into a 'pool'?
    Bertram Jacobus: or at least many of them (?)m ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: How do you know that, Al?
    Alfred Kelberry: pool is shorter
    Bruce Mowbray: Ha!
    Alfred Kelberry: and it doesn't fountain anything :)
    Alfred Kelberry: eh, bruce, now i have to answer... ok, i tried it once :P
    Bruce Mowbray: "Po" would be veen shorter -- but then it would be a river... which is actually much longer than this pool.
    Bruce Mowbray: even.
    Alfred Kelberry: yea, could be poo, as well, but... nevermind :)
    Bruce Mowbray: e coli danger alert!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: storm should add fishes inside and make it transparent
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry was on phone
    Alfred Kelberry: sophia! :)
    Bertram Jacobus: wb sharon :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Alfred Kelberry: no worries, i was guarding you :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I know, how rude
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ty Alfred!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rubs Alfreds back and finds it rathe pepery
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rather* papery
    Bertram Jacobus: smard cardbox , friendly, compassionating ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: smart*
    Alfred Kelberry purrs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol @ onigokko of doom, and of moving the earth away from the sun
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe :-)
    Hana Furlough: yes! lol!
    Alfred Kelberry: nice and peaceful here :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i love that, too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: as eden yesterday mentioned
    Alfred Kelberry: i have to go, though. enjoy this lovely sl evening :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Un ange passe <- when it get´s really silent
    Bertram Jacobus: bye alf have a good time ! :-)
    Lia Rikugun: bye afred
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care alf
    Bruce Mowbray: Peace be with you, Alf.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bertie, call if you need help witht he log
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops
    Hana Furlough: bye alf!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Alf i mean
    Bertram Jacobus: ehm - sharon ? sry : i tried only to say bye to alf ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. already cleared up :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it seems I should not have logged onto SL, im here now tho :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my avatar is inhabited
    Bertram Jacobus: and tyvm much for your offer sharon : lia will help the stupid german called bertram ! - in his own language - without such a support he hadn´t felt able to do it (!) ... ;o)
    Bruce Mowbray: inhabited means "possessed" by some spirit?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eek lol Bertie
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hihi :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: spirit inhabiting our rl avatars
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh -- you mean our biological avatars...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes : the first live avatars ... :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not my other comment
    Hana Furlough: i need to go jump in the fountain of real life. thanks for the drink and cheer~
    SophiaSharon Larnia: would that be possessing you senses
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yuour*
    Bertram Jacobus: bye hana - have a nice time plz ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: umm your*
    Bruce Mowbray: Happy trails, Hana.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Hana :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: " i lost my senses"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or like spirit leaving a rl avatar during sleep, or leaving just a little bit of it behind
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps when we sleep, our senses leave but the spirit remains -- freed to do its thing apart from "sense."
    Bruce Mowbray: (including the "sense" of rationality and abstract discursive thinking.)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: freed from the constraints of such :)))
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    Bertram Jacobus: i prefere not knowing to believing - hm ... at least sometimes , mostly ? don´t know ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: where those things are just the contructs they are
    Bertram Jacobus: not knowing instead of believing i meant
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know anything
    Bruce Mowbray: PaB experience trumps "knowing" and "believing" for me.
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m not sure about that sharon (!) ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: experience?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is it a positive ,,don´t know anything" or an negative ?
    Bertram Jacobus: very positive yaku !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: open to the idea that what you think you know may be something else altogether
    Bruce Mowbray: Blub has a hair styling appointment -- gotta go. TNANKS, everyone!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bruce, eager to get ur 10 lindens :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bruce!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun blub
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya at the roadside philosophers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so positive, i guess :D
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i will also move over to agile 3d
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: agile 3d?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
    Bertram Jacobus: [ bye yaku ]
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye bye Yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: *ding*
    Bertram Jacobus: *dong*
    Lia Rikugun: i switched off the sound :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Bertram Jacobus: me too - already yesterday ! ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a mindfulness bell on my computer that dings every 15 minutes
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - cool
    Lia Rikugun: ah thats good
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and before pab session times
    Bertram Jacobus: great
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it reminds me of the big clock tower bells on churches
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like a call to worship
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I can't tell you how many times I have thought of that
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. and that is not too much for you ? every 15 minutes ? always when your computer is on ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Most of the time I barely hear it or register it
    Bertram Jacobus: i had it for a while on my mobile - that was too much for me ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but occasionally it 'bursts' in
    Bertram Jacobus: and above that - the mobile switches the settings off again and again - don´t know why - very uncomfortable ! ("grr") ;o)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I used to wonder what I was thinking about, that made the bell sound so loud
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes Bert
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like the bell (my subconscious) turning to it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: was pointing to my thoughts as something to notice
    Bertram Jacobus: otherwise ... i would have experimented with ... for example - a reminder every hour ... hm
    Bertram Jacobus: i find that very nice sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when computer goes on standby the bell stops
    Bertram Jacobus: takin the pab practise seriously ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i dont hear the bell all the time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like i said, ive tuned it out
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but also that is an intersting experience
    Bertram Jacobus: and you, one, we could work with it ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but when i do hear it, i think maybe there is something simmering under the surface of my mind that warrants closer attention
    Bertram Jacobus: yess ! :-9
    Bertram Jacobus: aarghs ! ;o) - ugly nine again ;o)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but with that that too, is the notion that some thoughts are more important than others
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and i dont think that is necessarily true, on the surface maybe
    Bertram Jacobus: you have an example for that ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not really, i could be thinking oh shoot, i forgot to feel my cat, or thinking about how time needs space to move
    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes. then i´m satisfied already :
    SophiaSharon Larnia: forgot to feed* LOL
    Bertram Jacobus: i see pften the relation to the so to call relative and "absolute" stage ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the idea that thoughts occur on one level, and experience on another, not really accurate
    Bertram Jacobus: and that fits to your comment : not necessairily true, only on the surface ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (hahah thinking nothing i say fits with anything else)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but it is storming here *boom* and i get an energy boost from that
    Bertram Jacobus: both could be true, depends on the view ? : nothing fits or all ... (?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i experience thoughts, and experience a physical action
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are they different
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, thoughts are also physical :
    Bertram Jacobus: they can move a eeg needle !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol yep they sure do
    Bertram Jacobus: that is what shows me the so to call physical aspect of thoughts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it shows the electric nature of neuron firing
    Bertram Jacobus: yeah. but also physical action goes along with that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in a sideways way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: because we know by observing with our sense, which is more firing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smilies
    Bertram Jacobus: so ... my impression is ... in the end ... it´s only one big thing, all interdepending, only the measures of elements may differ, varieties are the game of relativity and in the essence it´s - how ever we like to call it ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i find myself fixed to certain ideas lately, and I do want to break away from the idea that my ideas are 'certain'
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! great ! i like such work (!) :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but cant help but feel that its the right path to be presently
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s only a matter of time, i often think. and we die once. i think also ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant help but think everyhting is for the sake of experience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bert?
    Bertram Jacobus: why a question mark ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - sry :
    Bertram Jacobus: wrote it misunderstandable :
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah, i thought I u=interupted you, i see the 'I think also...' :D
    Bertram Jacobus: should mean : i think, that we die also.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe no prob
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 'we' the ego?
    Bertram Jacobus: but would like to stop here - it´s so hot and lia still wants to help me with the log and all this ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh yes thank you!!
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t know (!)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm going to go run in the rain
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun Bertie
    Lia Rikugun: how nice, now i want rain too :)
    Bertram Jacobus: in a very positive, relaxin way. but nice topic for another time may be - if you excuse me (?) ... sry -
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and if later still ?? message me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun!! :D
    Bertram Jacobus: bye dear sharon ! +wave*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bert and Lia!
    Lia Rikugun: byebye sharon
    Bertram Jacobus: ok :-)

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