2010.07.10 13:00 - Can males be good Fematars?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    According to a request, i removed from the log the lines from a specific paticipant. In order to try to keep coherency, i moved also the responses by other participants that addressed those lines.

    Wol Euler: because unexplainable. There is no particular reason that I can see for me to be so happy today
    Wol Euler: (that will be a most amusing first line of the log :))


    YES it is!

    Darren Islar: okay :)
    Darren Islar: well, then let's not ask that question before you get miserable :)
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Wol Euler: like children opening up a watch to see how it works
    Wol Euler: and finding that it no longer does
    Darren Islar: right
    Darren Islar: nice metaphor
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Darren Islar: hi Bruce
    Wol Euler: wotcha, bruce.
    Darren Islar: is there a GoC tonight?
    Wol Euler: hello blub
    Darren Islar: hi Blub :)
    Bruce Mowbray: wotcha, Darren and Wol!
    Wol Euler: oh, was this one of the ungrabbed sessions?
    Wol Euler: not any more :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Darren Islar: I asked because it was mine, and I rather not get it tonight
    Wol Euler: ah, ok. sure.
    Darren Islar: wasn't here for the session anyway :)
    Wol Euler: I'll do that. You've covered for me so often.
    Wol Euler: I hear that Storm hasn't removed the lost onigokko yet :(
    Darren Islar: I'm not having slots anymore
    Darren Islar: no!!
    Darren Islar: what happened :)
    Bruce Mowbray: It was still here 6 hours ago.
    Wol Euler: well, eliza dropped it instead of detaching it. That's a menu command in some older viewers
    Wol Euler: the difference is that dropping makes it rez in-world
    Wol Euler: where it sits, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings, and sings ....
    Darren Islar: and nobody couldn't find it
    Wol Euler: oh I found it. no problem
    Wol Euler: but I cannot *remove* it.
    Wol Euler: only Storm has the authority to do that
    Darren Islar: ah, yes, of course
    Wol Euler: which is understandable, I would hesitate to give other people the right to remove prims form my land at Mugunghwa too.
    Darren Islar: oh, I completely understand
    Wol Euler: anyway.
    Wol Euler: what's new? does anyone have a topic for today?
    Darren Islar: sorry, no, and I'm leaving in a short while
    Wol Euler: ok, np
    Bruce Mowbray: life, the universe, and all that.
    Bruce Mowbray: actually, I do have a '?'
    Wol Euler: a pretty broad topic.
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Bruce Mowbray: It concerns sending in my notes for the Time as Magic group. . . sending them to the wiki.
    Wol Euler: okay ...
    Bruce Mowbray: How to I upload my notes . . .
    Xeno Octavia: g'day folks ; )
    Bruce Mowbray: Do I send them email to Pema?
    Bruce Mowbray: or. . . ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Xeno!
    Darren Islar: hi Xeno
    Wol Euler: ideally you would post them yourself, directly onthe wiki (I believe that's the procdure)
    Wol Euler: hello xeon
    Wol Euler: *xeno
    Bruce Mowbray: But doin't I have to be registered there?
    Bruce Mowbray: because that is not possible as I see it.
    Bruce Mowbray: No registration form.
    Wol Euler: ah, in that case an administrator needs to register you
    Wol Euler: are you in hte e.mail discussion grup?
    Wol Euler: *group
    Darren Islar: he is not a guardian
    Bruce Mowbray: I think that I am -- although I've not yet received any emails from that group.
    Wol Euler: hello fef
    Darren Islar: hi Fonz
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Fef.
    Fefonz Quan: hello all
    Wol Euler: oh, is the time workshop thing guardians-only?
    Wol Euler: that surprises me
    Darren Islar: no, I don't think so, but there is nog google-group
    Bruce Mowbray: No -- It is an open group -- Pema invited me into it.
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Darren Islar: different from the guardian group
    Xeno Octavia: hyi Fef
    Darren Islar: maybe Pema should make one
    Fefonz Quan: one what?
    Wol Euler: well, in that case I'd approach Pema. Explain that you want to post your notes to the wiki, and need a login. Let him deal with it from there
    Darren Islar: right
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I will do that. Thanks.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi again, Yaku.
    Darren Islar: maybe you should ask next week Bruce
    Darren Islar: hi Yaku
    Xeno Octavia: hi Yaku
    Fefonz Quan: heyaku
    Darren Islar: so there was a GoC :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Darren Islar: I'm leaving, have a nice session
    Fefonz Quan: was where?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye darren
    Fefonz Quan: bye Darren
    Wol Euler: bye darren, take care.
    Xeno Octavia: by Dar
    Bruce Mowbray: adios, Darren.
    Xeno Octavia: any one have power over oni muse?
    Wol Euler: only storm
    Wol Euler shrugs. Turn your sound down. sorry.
    Fefonz Quan: (hwat's as oni muse?)
    Wol Euler: music from onigokko :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 3:2 Deutschland!
    Wol Euler: if you turn your sound up, you'll hear it
    Wol Euler: there's an oni rezzed inthe trees, singing
    Wol Euler: since 24 hrs
    Xeno Octavia: yes wered lasst nite too
    Wol Euler: yep
    Yakuzza Lethecus: eliza would also be able to get that object back ?
    Wol Euler: yep
    Bruce Mowbray: that's the final, Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i haven´t seen it
    Wol Euler: she could take it or delete it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, it´s about the 3rd place :(
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- keep us informed, please.
    Wol Euler: it's invisible but you can see it if you set "highlight transparent"
    Wol Euler: it's in the lilac tree to my left, between the columns
    Fefonz Quan: quite reddish view, this highlight
    Wol Euler: yeah :)
    Wol Euler: not very pretty
    Bruce Mowbray: attended a lively discussion this morning at Pamala Clift's "Think Tank" -- on gender identification in SL.
    Wol Euler: damn and blast, yes, I'm so sorry I missed that :(
    Xeno Octavia: kool ---and > > >
    Bruce Mowbray: She assigned us 2 wks ago to get an opposite sex avi - and "walk in its shoes" for a while.
    Bruce Mowbray: It was the most disconcerting thing I'd ever done in SL.
    Wol Euler: do tell :)
    Wol Euler: if it'Äs not too private
    Bruce Mowbray: Could do it only two days. Never went back to her.
    Bruce Mowbray: (the alt, I mean -- not Pamala).
    Wol Euler: huh
    Wol Euler: what was so distressing?
    Xeno Octavia: i went ta noetic on remote viewing : )males cant b good fematars
    Bruce Mowbray: The first distressing thing I noticed was. .
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow
    Bruce Mowbray: that she (my alt -- named Sue Harcourt) was behaving stereotypically.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I had projected onto her the WORST female stereotypes -- and, of course, I saw a mirror of myself there.
    Wol Euler nods
    Xeno Octavia: hmm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least we are 3rd now
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: alts can teach us a lot of pretty amazing stuff :)(
    Bruce Mowbray: She was passive, seductive, shy, coy --- NONSENSE!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
    Bruce Mowbray: Go Deutschland.
    Fefonz Quan: I wouldn't generalize so quickly Xeno
    Xeno Octavia: read gospel according to woman
    Bruce Mowbray: May I step out for just a minute? ----
    Wol Euler: sure
    Wol Euler: (bruce)
    Wol Euler: tell us a bit about it, xeno? we might not all have a copy of the book to hand, and the conversation would suffer while we read it
    Xeno Octavia: how so Fef
    Wol Euler: please do
    Fefonz Quan: [13:20] Xeno Octavia: i went ta noetic on remote viewing : )males cant b good fematars
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Xeno Octavia: by Karen arnstrong --subtitle --christianitys creation of the sex wars in th ewest
    Wol Euler: hello agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga
    Qt Core: hi Agatha
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Agatha, Qt
    Agatha Macbeth: I see Eliza's onigokko is still going strong
    Wol Euler: yep
    Xeno Octavia: i turn volume down --out
    Wol Euler: Xeno, thanks for the book title but could you explain a little how it is relevant to what you said?
    Wol Euler: hello sue
    Sue Harcourt: Hi, everyone.
    Wol Euler: welcome bacdk
    Qt Core: hi Sue
    Wol Euler: *backj
    Wol Euler: **back
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sue
    Xeno Octavia: it relavant to Bruces stereo typing of woman --rather than just being
    Wol Euler: okay, and could you say a word or two of content or explanation, please?
    Xeno Octavia: ah sneakky its Sue !!
    Sue Harcourt passively listens as others talk about Bruce.
    Wol Euler grins
    Xeno Octavia: she basivcallty says that the christans startn more strongly in 200 AD plus identified woman with sex and evil --does into eve witches and i now at chapt on mystics [1st 2 negi and mysti posi
    Wol Euler nods. I'll grant you that christianity has a strong anti-female bias
    Wol Euler: but how does that prove that RL men can'T be good SL women?
    Xeno Octavia: cooked women as witches for 200 yrs
    Xeno Octavia: dont have to prove just noticing and responding to Bruce/Sue
    Wol Euler: but you made a pretty strong statement, and I'd like to hear you say a word or two to back it up
    Fefonz Quan: interesting how in Xeno's line about 200 AD the axiom of sex &/== evil went in so smooothly
    Xeno Octavia: i talk from feeling not intellect so am saying it of women i kno who are men as well as what Bruce had sed --i wonder if Sue agrees with him?
    Wol Euler: yes, sue, could you tell us a bit about your experiences in SL?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: our local town was pretty big in burning witches
    Sue Harcourt: what did Bruce say, anyway?
    Sue Harcourt: Oh -- yes, I can tell you about my 2 day experience.
    Sue Harcourt: For one thing -- I was silent and passive -- and Bruce is almost NEVER like that.
    Xeno Octavia: that was Karens in book --she especially ment Jerome in that part then gets into Virgins and martyrs also see them in contemporary feminism
    Wol Euler: [13:20] Bruce Mowbray: The first distressing thing I noticed was. . [13:20] Wol Euler raises an eyebrow [13:20] Bruce Mowbray: that she (my alt -- named Sue Harcourt) was behaving stereotypically. [13:20] Yakuzza Lethecus: :) [13:21] Bruce Mowbray: I had projected onto her the WORST female stereotypes -- and, of course, I saw a mirror of myself there. [13:21] Wol Euler nods [13:21] Xeno Octavia: hmm [13:21] Yakuzza Lethecus: at least we are 3rd now [13:21] Qt Core is Online [13:21] Wol Euler: mmhmm [13:21] Wol Euler: alts can teach us a lot of pretty amazing stuff :)( [13:21] Bruce Mowbray: She was passive, seductive, shy, coy --- NONSENSE!
    Sue Harcourt: Thanks -- that brings me up to date on that cur.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Xeno Octavia: how would she be after a few months a yr when cleansed of u Bruce
    Sue Harcourt: and I noticed that when I was Sue (not Bruce) other womewn spoke up more often and aire3d their feelings more.
    Wol Euler nods
    Sue Harcourt: This caused me to think that Bruce was intimidating to them.
    Fefonz Quan: well, he is a MAN
    Wol Euler: were you aware of acting differently?
    Sue Harcourt: yes -- THAT is exactly my point.
    Wol Euler: or did sue just speak "naturally"?
    Xeno Octavia: no women are more intimate in communics men too into various forms of BS
    Fefonz Quan: BS ??
    Sue Harcourt: I tried to "just speak naturally" but found that I had some inner voice telling me that i "SHOULD" think and speak as a woman -- and this violated all of my beliefs about androgyny.
    Agatha Macbeth: Being Seeing :)
    Xeno Octavia: was he a man in ur fematar
    Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.
    Wol Euler: did the voice tell you how women should thnk and speak?
    Wol Euler: that would be interesting to know
    Sue Harcourt: Somewhere inside this woman named Sue was a "ghost" named Bruce.
    Sue Harcourt: Very disconcerting.
    Xeno Octavia: yes Sue its why gays have accent --faking fem rather than just being
    Wol Euler finds that rather objectionable.
    Sue Harcourt: Mmm. Interesting, could you say more about "gays" please. Xeno.
    Agatha Macbeth: Gays have an accent?
    Agatha Macbeth: Depends on their nationality I'd say ;-)
    Xeno Octavia: what if in FL u were opposite sex in last lifetime is ghost still to present
    Sue Harcourt: You see. . . I'm really having a lot of trouble with this.
    Sue Harcourt: The stereotypes that are folating about in the coversation are driving me nuts.
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Sue Harcourt: "gays" accents?
    Wol Euler: there is a lot of bias and prejudice being presented as fact
    Agatha Macbeth looks up 'folating'
    Xeno Octavia: in US where ever from many gays have sound set-up [or usta] there is term for but as i had noticed in FL were from imitating woman rather than just being one
    Sue Harcourt: BRUCE----!!!! WHERE ARE YOU BRUCE!!???
    Xeno Octavia: r any of u gay or kno gays ??
    Sue Harcourt begs to be excused.... (politely and in a feminine manner...)
    Fefonz Quan: Sue, if i may ask, where you troubled by the fact that you seems like acting in a stereotyped way, or by the fact that you wandered where have Bruce gone?
    Wol Euler: I know dozens of gays, in many countries, xeno. Do you?
    Agatha Macbeth: I know some yes
    Xeno Octavia: lol Stay why not chase Bruce out ??
    Xeno Octavia: lol too late
    Xeno Octavia: i kno a few in the US --i go to other countries here in SL but not counts
    Wol Euler: wb bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bruce :)
    Fefonz Quan: hi Bruce :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least you didn your homework bruce :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did
    Wol Euler: so you've had a pretty intense learning experience :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Some folks in Pam's class did it for two weeks. I can't imagine that.
    Wol Euler: I'm sorry that you were distressed, but you can also see it as a great chance to explore something new in yourself :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Why distressed?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: are there now 2 hidden onigokkos ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was an excellent learning opportuinity -- Just almost unbearable -- because it was like a mirror -- and not a friendly mirror.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: I thought I was not a sexist and discovered that I really am after all --
    Fefonz Quan: I had a thought about it - i guess most of the men here have dreams, and in those dreams there are women figures.
    Wol Euler grins. "the first step to solving a problem, grasshopper, is to learn that you have one"
    Agatha Macbeth: Animas?
    Agatha Macbeth: (Animae?)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) Excellent point, Wol.
    Wol Euler nods to Fef
    Bruce Mowbray: I've done a lot of Jungian work -- and this was not my anima.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bruce Mowbray: This was a projection of "other" --
    Fefonz Quan: And in those dreams, the women acts quite like women in RL - although created by our minds
    Agatha Macbeth: Do you know who it was then?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Bruce Mowbray: Well -- the closest thing I can compare it to is racism...
    Fefonz Quan: I still don't get why it showed you you are a sexist Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Sometimes when I see a black individual on the TV -- there is this spontaneous "no" thing -- and I cannot image where that comes from -- except from my racist culture.
    Xeno Octavia: have u tried a black av
    Bruce Mowbray: So, it's like that with the female thing.
    Bruce Mowbray: I do NOT like that in myself at all.
    Wol Euler gives your hand a squeeze.
    Bruce Mowbray: My best friend was a black male -- her alt of opposite sex,
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe a black female Av [grin]
    Bruce Mowbray: Thans, Wol. I guess I needed that.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: In SL?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes -- that would be an excellent experience -- When I build my courage back up, I will try being a black female.
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: Meanwihle, I am still trying to "be See" all of it.
    Wol Euler: I can give you a LM to a store that has some *marvellous* black skins, really beautiful. "real people" skins
    Agatha Macbeth can't "be See" any of it ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Great --thanks. Please do.
    Wol Euler digs around
    Bruce Mowbray: This thing about gender identifican runs very deep - both culturqally and personally.
    Wol Euler nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh agreed!
    Xeno Octavia: shud is in an imperitive or a conditional mode
    Bruce Mowbray: I think you all have put yourfinger on the problem: Sue had all of these "should" going off in her head. Bruce does not have those.
    Bruce Mowbray: Sure never felt free to be herself.
    Xeno Octavia: so why he let her have them --prob not Bruce but his paratar
    Fefonz Quan: So Bruce is a free man, not conditioned by culture?
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: so where does this social conditioning of hers come from?
    Agatha Macbeth: Which do you find easier to be Bruce- a M Av or a F Av?
    Bruce Mowbray: Bruce's para (in RL) is a hermit -- mostly because in retirement he has chosen not to be part of the sexist and racist culture of the state he lives ion.
    Fefonz Quan: pointed*
    Bruce Mowbray: So -- it was disconcerting to discover how many of the culture's stereotypes were there oppresing Sue -- dominating her behavior.
    Xeno Octavia: and bruce's has had too long a masc habbit to change
    Bruce Mowbray: oppressing.
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps -- but Bruce (although an old dog) is determined to learn some new tricks.
    Wol Euler smiles
    Wol Euler: never too late to improve.
    Bruce Mowbray: I think your suggestion of using a Black ava (female) is a good place to begin.
    Fefonz Quan: or to change :)
    Wol Euler: "the best time to plant an oak tree was thirty years ago. The second-best time is right now."
    Xeno Octavia: kool Bruce we support u in that --at least i do
    Wol Euler: oh, definitely.
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks you. Now - let's talk about something else --
    Wol Euler: (to support)
    Bruce Mowbray thinks to himself: That was entirely TOO abrupt.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: That bell came just ar the REIGHT time.
    Bruce Mowbray: right.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: I'll take that bell as my offf que
    Fefonz Quan: Good night all, and have a wonderful week
    Wol Euler: bye fef, sleep well
    Bruce Mowbray: Walk in peace, Fef.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well fef
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fonz :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Yaku
    Xeno Octavia: nite Fef
    Wol Euler: wb qt
    Xeno Octavia: nite Yaku
    Wol Euler: 'night yaku
    Qt Core: wondering what happened
    Wol Euler: huh, turn away for a moment and everyone leaves
    Bruce Mowbray muses: ME TOO!
    Xeno Octavia: looks that way
    Agatha Macbeth: Using Linux or Windoze QT?
    Qt Core: vista, i just have disablerd the wireless part of my router (and i'm on cord with this pc)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, same here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably a Gates thing again...
    Bruce Mowbray: Windows 7 is really a fine OS. Very fast and stable -- far superior to Vista, although I run both of them.
    Qt Core: poor boy , let stop thinking he is the bad guy, it does not even work there anymore ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha, he's E-V-I-L !!!!!!!!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Qt Core: thinking abiut nuying me a 7 licence for my birthdasy ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: It's worth it, Qt.
    Qt Core: and maybe even a pair of new hands...
    Agatha Macbeth: Happy birthdaisy QT :)
    Wol Euler: w7 is muuuuuuch better than xp or vista
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Qt Core: you say that only as it copied OSX a bit, wol
    Wol Euler: no, I'm using it right now.
    Xeno Octavia: an they talkin bout 8 now
    Wol Euler: I actually (cough) like it
    Bruce Mowbray: I have 7 on my laptop and love it.
    Wol Euler: hallo bert
    Qt Core: hi bertram
    Xeno Octavia: hi Bert
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Bert!
    Bertram Jacobus: hi - whaow - still filled, the place ! :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Berti :)
    Bertram Jacobus: agatha knows my child name (!) ... ;o)
    Qt Core: was you wishing to have the pavillion all for yourself, bert ? ;-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You told me ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: naaaaaaah qt - in contrary ! happy to meet ya all :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: sry - but ...
    Bertram Jacobus: way too hoot !
    Agatha Macbeth: Here too :(
    Qt Core: you in the water and the fish flying is weirder and weirder
    Bertram Jacobus: night will bring some degrees less ...
    Wol Euler: yeah.
    Bruce Mowbray splashes Bert.
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: ty bruce
    Wol Euler: it is supposed to rain tomorrow, that might help
    Bertram Jacobus: and there are a lot of hints these days how to handle the heat ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Move to Spitzbergen...
    Qt Core: just droppiong the heat feeling
    Wol Euler: or norway
    Agatha Macbeth: Same thing
    Qt Core: the nearest mountains over 1500 m is enough usually
    Wol Euler: ah, true, silly me
    Bertram Jacobus: i have now in ma room still 30.4° celsius (!) ...
    Agatha Macbeth sighs
    Agatha Macbeth: Open a window Bert
    Wol Euler: it was 38 C downtown yesterday, far too hot.
    Bertram Jacobus: are open already
    Agatha Macbeth: Bang goes that theory
    Bruce Mowbray: when it gets that hot, I hang out at the public libraqry -- let them pay for the A/C and the internet connection.
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: And the air conditioning
    Xeno Octavia: caqnt get here from librar
    Bruce Mowbray: yes,, that's the A/C.
    Agatha Macbeth: Not Alernating Current?
    Bruce Mowbray: haha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Or AC Milan?
    Bruce Mowbray: well -- actually, I have the library pay for the air conditioning BECAUSE I don't want to pay for the alernating current.
    Agatha Macbeth: I can relate to that
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Qt Core: this morning i was keeping up with the heat quite well, but in the afternon i stayed for several hours (groan) in a shopping mall with its violent AC, so now back at home i'm suffering the heat a lot more (i dislike AC)
    Wol Euler: it is usually far too intense.
    Bertram Jacobus: i like acs ... ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Acs?
    Qt Core: i like simple fans
    Wol Euler: people don'T realize that cooling from 38 degrees to 35 and abit less humid would be enough to make a pleasant differnece
    Xeno Octavia: my FL weather ok --in mtns
    Bruce Mowbray: maybe Qt would like to come into the pool and cool off a bit.
    Wol Euler: or we could all go to the beach!
    Xeno Octavia: not on the gULF
    Agatha Macbeth: And build sandcastles
    Bertram Jacobus: would you qt ? :-) - yes ! i´d like to do taht wol :-)
    Qt Core: trying something more radical to cool myself down
    Bruce Mowbray: cold shower?
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - what is it ?! ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Time travelling to the Ice Age
    Bruce Mowbray: cooooool!
    Bertram Jacobus: ( i still have a nice beach place wol) ...
    Wol Euler: indeed you do :)
    Wol Euler: with music, even
    Bertram Jacobus: we could go there if it would be wished ...
    Bertram Jacobus: yess :-)
    Wol Euler watches in amazement as QT transforms
    Bruce Mowbray: all of us?
    Bertram Jacobus: sure bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG! That's "cool" for sure!
    Bertram Jacobus: would you like to come to my / our beach place ladies and gentlemen ?
    Agatha Macbeth: And blue
    Wol Euler: yes please
    Bruce Mowbray: Sure!
    Bertram Jacobus: with music and dances ?
    Qt Core: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: ok - i recommend nite setting ... :-)
    Wol Euler: I have a LM so I'll remain here to TP anyone whom Bert forgets :)
    Wol Euler: he'll TP you in a moment
    Xeno Octavia: well guess i can go home now : ))
    Wol Euler: hello steve
    Wol Euler: we're just leaving
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Wol, Xeno and Cute
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was jsut getting here
    Wol Euler: how's your weekend?
    Xeno Octavia: hi Steve but there TP
    stevenaia Michinaga: see ya
    stevenaia Michinaga: weekend good
    stevenaia Michinaga: how is WOl
    Wol Euler: we are going to Bertram's beach
    Wol Euler: want to come along?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sure
    stevenaia Michinaga: never wnated to work anyway
    Wol Euler: ok, I'll TP you from there
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx

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