2010.07.13 01:00 - Culture and Climate

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     The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The lack of comments is by Calvino Rabeni.

    Fael Illyar: Hello :)
    Fael Illyar: Why's everyone away from the pavilion :)
    Fael Illyar: the recorder doesn't pick things up from this far
    Dash Earthboy: hi
    Dash Earthboy: my first time here -- by invitation
    Fael Illyar: Hello Dash :) Welcome.
    Fael Illyar: Hi Hana :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Dash
    Dash Earthboy: hi all

    Bertram Jacobus: ah - i see - then welcome dash - recognized your peacemaker tag from somebody else who comes here - who is it ? *thinking* ... :-) bruce ?
    Dash Earthboy: yes!
    Bertram Jacobus: [ oh sry - 90 seconds silence ! ]
    Bertram Jacobus: and hello hana ! :-)
    Hana Furlough: hi everyone!
    Bertram Jacobus: and Dash : we record our talks here and put it on a wiki site - is that ok for you ?
    Dash Earthboy: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful - ty ! :-)
    Dash Earthboy: but bruce is who invited me
    Dash Earthboy: i'm dash
    Fael Illyar looks around... bruce? where is he?
    Bertram Jacobus: i thought so, then, yes - areally nice guy ! :-)
    Dash Earthboy: nice to meet everyone
    Hana Furlough: nice to meet you too
    Calvino Rabeni: Likewise, Dash
    Dash Earthboy: i'm also very new to SL
    Bertram Jacobus: seems to be a nice group also - no wonder - such a nice tiotle : peacemaker ! ... :-))
    Dash Earthboy: yes i was happy to find that group
    Bertram Jacobus: and i am the typo king baeh ... ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: no prob
    Bertram Jacobus: same like me with the group here dash - so i can understand you very well ! :-)
    Dash Earthboy: i visited the Play As Being wiki to find my way here this morning
    Bertram Jacobus: ah cool ... :-)
    Dash Earthboy: normally i'm not awake this early
    Bertram Jacobus: and when you??re also new to sl : a really also big experience , can be at least : a kinda additional universe (!) ...
    Dash Earthboy: so is Cal replacing Wester as
    Bertram Jacobus: wester cal ? :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I saw wester on the schedule for tonight
    Bertram Jacobus: "guardian" yes Dash. so that is called ... :-)
    Dash Earthboy: sorry as guardian
    Calvino Rabeni: that is the meeting host
    Dash Earthboy: yes ok thanx
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - giomme 5 dash ? ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: ya 5
    Bertram Jacobus: so why are you awake so early today dash ? :-)
    Dash Earthboy: i got up 3 hrs ago when i gave up on sleeping
    Dash Earthboy: i'm in ET and so it's going on 4:30 AM here
    Fael Illyar: SL is not an additional universe. It's simply mental universe made more concrete.
    Dash Earthboy: yes the avatars help with that
    Bertram Jacobus: ET - what is that plz ? (i??m in germany here) ... (10:24) ... ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: oh ET is Easstern Time in US
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ok ty ! :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think of it like - there could be a universe under any stone or around any corner
    Bertram Jacobus: nice remark fael ... ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: SL is on Pacific Time
    Calvino Rabeni: So this one happened to develop a little
    Calvino Rabeni: A little like books, there seems to be lots in them
    Calvino Rabeni: but this one - we can co-habitate :)
    Dash Earthboy: like an audience at a play
    Bertram Jacobus: yes : i see everywhere infinity, in micro- as well as in macrocosm
    Calvino Rabeni: WIth some friends, you can find a universe inside their eyes
    Dash Earthboy: i see hana has faded out on us again
    Hana Furlough: oh sorry
    Dash Earthboy: multitasking?
    Bertram Jacobus: np ! :-)
    Hana Furlough: yeah sadly
    Dash Earthboy: understood
    Bertram Jacobus: poor you ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, we dare not ask on what :) or dare we?
    Hana Furlough: nah, SL is like a light breeze
    Hana Furlough: oh i'm writing a paper
    Calvino Rabeni: Another nearby universe :)
    Hana Furlough: nothing exciting, hence the pull to be in SL
    Hana Furlough: yes!
    Bertram Jacobus: i find it interesting : in tibetan buddhism it??s said : human life is defined by restlessness and deficiencies ...
    Dash Earthboy: i'm testing the new beta 2.1 viewer here
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmmm, I wonder what that paper is about (he said, nosily)
    Dash Earthboy: buddha sure believe in playing

    Dash Earthboy: normally i like the Emerald Viewer in both Windows and Linux
    Hana Furlough: ha! it's a book report about court poetry in heian japan
    Dash Earthboy: but I'm will ing to try the new Linden stuff
    Dash Earthboy: high japanese poetry?
    Calvino Rabeni: TY Hana, I guessed something like that :)
    Hana Furlough: but of course : )
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: i love it when people are freindly ... :-)
    Fael Illyar: I tried viewer 2.0 for a very little while. Then went back to using Emerald :)
    Dash Earthboy: yes!
    Bertram Jacobus: same here fael :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: BTW, I think I'm turning japanese - watching animes with subtitles, starting to learn the everyday phrases by osmosis
    Hana Furlough: haha nice!
    Dash Earthboy: sounds like an 80s song
    Hana Furlough: that was how my students were learning too
    Dash Earthboy: i really think so
    Calvino Rabeni: ... I really think so ...
    Calvino Rabeni: But I have learned some things - pretty obvious I gues
    Hana Furlough: great!
    Calvino Rabeni: like what the following means:
    Calvino Rabeni: OMG <333333333333 KAWAIIIIIIIIIIIII !!!!!!!
    Hana Furlough: lol!
    Calvino Rabeni: that is japanese, is it not?
    Hana Furlough: it is indeed
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Calvino Rabeni: hehe
    Fael Illyar: Cal, not exactly :D
    Dash Earthboy: i scrupulously avoided learning japanese while working at Komatsu
    Fael Illyar: but it does have a japanese word in it :)
    Dash Earthboy: a Korean co-worker did teach me a little tho
    Calvino Rabeni: And there seem to be lots of ways to insult and apologize - I'm a little envious
    Hana Furlough: haha!
    Bertram Jacobus: dash - may i ask : what is the peacemaker group about ?
    Dash Earthboy: from what i've seen so far
    Dash Earthboy: just people interested in learning what they can do to promote peace among all people
    Bertram Jacobus: great ! :-) - does the group support such learning and when yes : how ?
    Dash Earthboy: i think some see it as kind of a hobby
    Bertram Jacobus: there are worse hobbies ! ... ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: ya
    Dash Earthboy: i think of it as a lifestyle
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i can understand you very well
    Dash Earthboy: are you a teacher Hana?
    Hana Furlough: i'm a grad student but sometimes i get to be a teaching assistant
    Dash Earthboy: cool
    Calvino Rabeni: The current program on Speaking of Faith is about the Art of Peace
    Hana Furlough: thanks!
    Calvino Rabeni: http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/2010/art-of-peace/
    Hana Furlough: calvino, sounds great!
    Dash Earthboy: yes!
    Dash Earthboy: i've been listening to speaking of faith
    Dash Earthboy: good dialog
    Dash Earthboy: posit: is peace easier to pursue with or without words?
    Bertram Jacobus: i think it depends
    Bertram Jacobus: on the situations
    Calvino Rabeni: And the minds using the words
    Hana Furlough: i should get back to work
    Hana Furlough: thanks for chatting all
    Dash Earthboy: good seeing you hana
    Calvino Rabeni: YW Hana
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Hana :)
    Hana Furlough: and bye for now
    Bertram Jacobus: ty for having been with us hana !

    Dash Earthboy: cal - in my short time at Komatsu I came to understand very well the intricacies of insult & apology there
    Calvino Rabeni: What is Komatsu, Dash?
    Dash Earthboy: they make heavy machinery
    Calvino Rabeni: Is it something one can opt out of?
    Dash Earthboy: i shipped their forklift trucks all over the world
    Dash Earthboy: opt out of?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, not participate in
    Bertram Jacobus knows komatsu ... written in really big letters on their machinery everywhere ...
    Calvino Rabeni: I've not been in that culture, and in the media scripts, the insults seem gratuitous
    Calvino Rabeni: Or is it necessary to insult, in order to cultivate friendships....
    Dash Earthboy: oh, they have integrated the base company culture with the deep South culture here pretty well
    Dash Earthboy: actually, Cal, insults are to be avoided there if possible
    Dash Earthboy: it just is easy to insult
    Bertram Jacobus: could you describe that company culture in short words dash ?
    Dash Earthboy: until one learns
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting ...
    Dash Earthboy: short words on company culture: it is a family and loyalty and respect are utmost
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting, again - thx !
    Bertram Jacobus: btw : a very good chat aspect : type complex things in only few words - and yes ! it??s possible ! mostly ... (!) :-)
    Dash Earthboy: i live in the area where they filmed the TV series "In the Heat of the Night"
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes! For you Bert: No Prob :)
    Dash Earthboy: if you saw it, you'd understand the culture clash a little better
    Calvino Rabeni: What state is that, Dash?
    Bertram Jacobus: but for others cal ?
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't know... isn't everyone, ... different?
    Dash Earthboy: the state was Georgia for a show setting of Mississippi
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. yes cal :-)
    Fael Illyar: Well, time for me to go. Have fun everyone :)
    Dash Earthboy: bye fael...good to see you
    Calvino Rabeni: Good day, Fael
    Bertram Jacobus: bye fael - have a good time plz ! *wave* ... :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: It must be hot and humid for sleeping, in GA
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Dash Earthboy: and i try to limit energy use
    Bertram Jacobus: and why did heat of the night help to understand the clash of cukltures ?
    Dash Earthboy: the house is all electric but I burn fire in fireplace during cold weather
    Dash Earthboy: Bert, are you familiar with that TV show?
    Bertram Jacobus: no sry
    Dash Earthboy: no problem
    Calvino Rabeni: Which one?
    Dash Earthboy: if you were, you'd understand the culture clash
    Dash Earthboy: between Deep South and Japanese
    Bertram Jacobus: yes - but why plz dash ?
    Bertram Jacobus: what are the "explanations" there ?
    Bertram Jacobus: which insights can on have with it ?
    Dash Earthboy: hint: my attorney called the whole Komatsu company "Nips"

    Dash Earthboy: the tv show brought up only a taste of the bias and bigotry I face here daily
    Bertram Jacobus: ok - i see ...
    Dash Earthboy: and the county bent over backwards to please the tv show
    Dash Earthboy: they actually engraved "City Hall - Sparta, MS" on our only library building
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, i??ll leave too - was very nice to meet you - hope to see ya again dash - have a good time both ! and may all beings be happy plz ...
    Dash Earthboy: ok bye bert
    Calvino Rabeni: I will be one of those beings Bert, thanks
    Calvino Rabeni: And you as well, :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yess ! :-))
    Dash Earthboy: nice first time visit for me here...thanks cal
    Calvino Rabeni: good to met you also
    Dash Earthboy: think I'll press on to RL too now
    Calvino Rabeni: I have friends in the south
    Calvino Rabeni: but basically, I live in a politically correct part of the country
    Dash Earthboy: haha...
    Calvino Rabeni: so I hear about the unabashed bigotry only second hand
    Dash Earthboy: you one of them outside instigators?
    Dash Earthboy: hehe
    Calvino Rabeni: outside investigator
    Dash Earthboy: oh ok lol
    Dash Earthboy: me too
    Dash Earthboy: orig from Ohio
    Calvino Rabeni: involved with quakers in RL?
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: did you grow up with it?
    Dash Earthboy: no...fundamental Baptist
    Dash Earthboy: terrible childhood
    Calvino Rabeni: I see...
    Dash Earthboy: found Quakers my first year of college out in Utah
    Calvino Rabeni: this country has so many regions
    Dash Earthboy: in the heart of Mormonism
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, it's a bit ironic
    Dash Earthboy: i'm looking forward to being in a more nurturing region
    Calvino Rabeni: DO you have plans to move?
    Dash Earthboy: yes to relocate...like when Lot left Sodom
    Calvino Rabeni: What's your choice destinations?
    Dash Earthboy: probably West
    Becka Finesmith: Hello everyone.
    Dash Earthboy: hi Becka
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Becka, how have you been?
    Becka Finesmith: I've been great thank you.
    Calvino Rabeni: I've lived many places west, Dash
    Dash Earthboy: any recommendations?
    Dash Earthboy: for a peaceful person?
    Calvino Rabeni: Choose your climate, your amount of urban or rural living, etc.
    Dash Earthboy: right
    Calvino Rabeni: Or if you like social activism
    Calvino Rabeni: Portland OR is one of the most civic western cities, you might like that
    Dash Earthboy: i prefer mild 4-season weather like I had on my farm in E TN
    Dash Earthboy: Portland, eh?
    Dash Earthboy: ty
    Calvino Rabeni: The climate is great in the SF bay area if you like 2-season weather
    Calvino Rabeni: Seattle is mild and rainy, but has some seasons
    Dash Earthboy: bay area is pretty urban ain't it?
    Calvino Rabeni: Very
    Calvino Rabeni: but there are "away" places
    Dash Earthboy: i either want rural or urban
    Calvino Rabeni: ocean, hills, etc.
    Dash Earthboy: this suburban life kills me
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, I can relate to that
    Dash Earthboy: i prefer rural
    Dash Earthboy: and mountains
    Dash Earthboy: so Portland, Seattle sound great
    Calvino Rabeni: A nice small town is Ashland OR
    Calvino Rabeni: but missing big city cultural advantages
    Dash Earthboy: Ashland sounds good
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a little progressive bubble
    Calvino Rabeni: the West splits between rural conservative and urban liberal cultures
    Dash Earthboy: well, I've lived in Chicago & NYC as well as Atlanta...been around enough to know what nurtures me
    Dash Earthboy: yes, I'm more attuned to the West I think
    Calvino Rabeni: Seattle seems pretty "Quaker-y"
    Dash Earthboy: haha, okay
    Calvino Rabeni: You might consider Boulder, CO also
    Calvino Rabeni: if you like a more extreme climate (which some do)
    Dash Earthboy: Boulder is high on my list
    Dash Earthboy: i tolerate cold better than heat

    Dash Earthboy: and I've seen lots of tech/cus svc job listings for Boulder area...I like the businesses that have set up shop out that way
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a nice mixture
    Calvino Rabeni: especially if you like outdoors activities
    Calvino Rabeni: excellent hiking and so forth
    Dash Earthboy: cool
    Calvino Rabeni: really quite a nice small city
    Calvino Rabeni: the winters are usually bright and cold
    Calvino Rabeni: with occasional blizzards
    Dash Earthboy: i really enjoyed visiting Estes Park on tips between Ohio and Utah
    Calvino Rabeni: summer takes its time to arrive
    Calvino Rabeni: lots of thunderstorms in the summer - rather exciting
    Dash Earthboy: summer arrived here early with a vengeance this year
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, rocky mountain national park is very nice
    Dash Earthboy: already have had triple digits
    Calvino Rabeni: I heard that from a friend
    Calvino Rabeni: in SC
    Calvino Rabeni: this is one of the coldest summers in the Northwest
    Dash Earthboy: timing...
    Calvino Rabeni: there were only 2 hot days so far this year
    Dash Earthboy: ya
    Dash Earthboy: wish I could chat a little longer but RL intrudes...blessings to you Cal & Becka
    Calvino Rabeni: And to you Dash - see you later :)
    Calvino Rabeni: How are you Becka, anything on your mind?
    Becka Finesmith: I'm fine thank you. I was just watching your conversation and learning about other places :)
    Calvino Rabeni: What kind of place do you live in?
    Becka Finesmith: I live close to London in the UK. It has a similiar climate to SF I guess.
    Becka Finesmith: The past few years have had higher precipitation but this year it's a noce mix
    Calvino Rabeni: SF has an "ideal" easy climate
    Calvino Rabeni: When I moved there, I basicaly had no use for warm clothing any more
    Becka Finesmith: Has it been constant the last few years?
    Becka Finesmith: You have relatively chilly winters though. I was there last in November and it was freezing!
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't know - it was in the 80's since I was there
    Calvino Rabeni: Northern California is semi-arid
    Calvino Rabeni: but does have its rainstorms
    Becka Finesmith: Perhaps I just had a bad fortnight. It was nice north in Sonoma but further south was a bit chilly
    Calvino Rabeni: The geography is complex so there are lots of micro-climates
    Calvino Rabeni: the coast is famous for summer fog
    Calvino Rabeni: then it rolls in off the ocean almost daily during summers in SF
    Becka Finesmith: I guess that's what makes the area so interesting :)
    Calvino Rabeni: it's important to know when choosing a location to live
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: So, London ... what do they call that big dam or flood gate on the river?
    Becka Finesmith: I have to leave now I'm afriad. Was nice to see you
    Calvino Rabeni: Likewise, Becka
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care :)
    Becka Finesmith: That's the flood defence?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes for tidal surges

    Becka Finesmith: It's called the Thames Barrier
    Calvino Rabeni: Huge engineering project :)
    Becka Finesmith: Massive. They tackle some big projects in europe! We even have a tunnel between the UK and mainland europe now!
    Becka Finesmith: I bet that was a lot harder to contruct
    Calvino Rabeni: True really big
    Calvino Rabeni: Well I won't keep you :)
    Becka Finesmith: :) OK. Hope to see you at another session
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, take care :)
    Becka Finesmith: Namaste
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_


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