2010.07.14 13:00 - Pabian Pablovski and The Mad Blurter

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    Eliza Madrigal: HI Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: It takes me a few moments to rezz on the laptop I'm using...
    Eliza Madrigal: will sit eventually :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How are you?
    Bruce Mowbray: NP -- I've just read your notes on the Time Session wiki page.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm doing well, thank you. And you?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes and I saw that you have an account now... excellent
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm well... visiting family for a few days, driving home tomorrow . Thanks :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes I do -- thanks to Calvino. I tried to upload my notes for this week. . . not sure I got it right, but they're up there - somewhere.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce, hi Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hah... uploading notes? Hm...
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Sharon.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes. I can see them up there - not just the same place that everyone else's notes are.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi adoro
    Eliza Madrigal: The wiki has some oddities. For instance, usually not great to post from something like Word
    adoro Rhapsody: hi
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, adoro. Really good to see you again. Happy you made it back.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I will check that fr you Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adoro
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Eliza.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah, have you been here before adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: yesterday
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu... Ohhhh America's lookin good
    Eliza Madrigal: hah :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Bleu.
    Eliza Madrigal: So you understand that we record sessions Adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Great
    adoro Rhapsody: i saw it on he wiki
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I just checked and saw that Eliza :)
    adoro Rhapsody: i wonder what people do with that publication
    adoro Rhapsody: of our chat
    Eliza Madrigal: We keep up with one another that way adror
    Bleu Oleander: lots who can't attend read it
    adoro Rhapsody: i see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: adoro* rather
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Bleu Oleander: hi Qt
    adoro Rhapsody: hi qt
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Qt.
    Eliza Madrigal: Plus, sometimes we have rather intense and dynamic discussions which are helpful to read over...
    adoro Rhapsody: i can imagine
    Bleu Oleander: don't always get things the first time around .... need to review
    Eliza Madrigal: So from one session to another we can pick up where another left off, or ask a follow up, etc
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    adoro Rhapsody: that can be usefull
    SophiaSharon Larnia: more than once I read something I missed in the session because the conversation went fast
    Sartre Placebo: hey everyone
    Bleu Oleander: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it makes it a little more layered than an average chat
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sartre :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Satre
    Bleu Oleander: hey Sartre
    adoro Rhapsody: hi srtre
    Bruce Mowbray muses to self and nods at Bleu: Hooray for the Red, White, and Blue!
    Qt Core: hi Sartre
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bleu.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Brb, am going to check something...
    Bruce Mowbray: Red, White and Bleu...
    Bleu Oleander: ty!
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Sartre.
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Bertram Jacobus: hi every body ... :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Bert.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram
    adoro Rhapsody: hi bert
    Bleu Oleander: hi Bert
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Fef :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Fefonz
    Bertram Jacobus: heyy fef ! mr. bad connection (?) ... ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: Hi all :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi fef
    Bleu Oleander: hi Fef
    Fefonz Quan: Mr. late coming from dinner at an italian restaurant ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Mmmm.. nice
    Bleu Oleander: yum
    adoro Rhapsody: mmm
    Bertram Jacobus: could be worse i think ... ;o)
    Fefonz Quan: indeed
    Qt Core: hi Bert, Fef
    Bruce Mowbray is away from keyboard for a few minutes.
    Eliza Madrigal: Can you cook italian food too, Fef? :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Fefonz, who is Pabian Pablovsky. :D (refering to his email)
    Fefonz Quan: well, mostly pasta, yes.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I love that name *laughs*
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) heh, yes
    Bertram Jacobus: agree : great name ! :o)
    Fefonz Quan: it was a generic name i invented for PaB participant
    Fefonz Quan: (if it wasn't clear)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: was thinking pab and the pavlovian response lol
    Bertram Jacobus: so - great invention ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no it was clear :D
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thanks Fef
    Bertram Jacobus: in which way could we response sharon ? :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Has anyone been working with the time writings?
    Fefonz Quan: not yet Eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: time writings ? no, sry ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was thinking several days ago, coming here and hearing the bell was a type of response Ive gotten used to
    Eliza Madrigal giggles @ Sharon... cute connection
    Bertram Jacobus: aah - i see sharon. ty :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and likened it to a church bell, kinda
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a call
    Eliza Madrigal: It is like the anti-conditioning bell though... or hm... reconditioning?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right :D
    Eliza Madrigal: conditioning with intention
    Bertram Jacobus looves church bells, but mostly and sadly not the services ...
    Bertram Jacobus: oops
    Fefonz Quan: (co-conditioning?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (grist for the mill Bruce, even the funny little things)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce is afk for a moment...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh ops :)
    Eliza Madrigal: He'll read when returning I'm sure... yesterday or the day before i talked to afk wol..
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs :)
    Eliza Madrigal: intentionally... trusting time and the auto logger
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Fefonz Quan: this can happen in RL too, isn't it?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: true
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Fefonz Quan: i find being afk in RL to be of the most lucid moments
    Bertram Jacobus: we have a comedian in germany who shows that very well in some scenes : there he lets talk two people totally different things but both don´t notice, like : i have a new very nice little dog - "answer" - yesterday my wife fell down ... ;o)
    Bertram Jacobus: and so on ...
    Eliza Madrigal: this is kind of what I've been working with this week... using it as my time homework... 'giving things up' ... pausing while present to not go 'away' but to let presence come up...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now wonder how many conversation I hear like that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: afk a lucid moment Fefonz?
    Bleu Oleander: many one suspects Sharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: it prob looks the same as afk... if I respond to the converssation at a different level than at the one I 'left' during
    Fefonz Quan: i used afk as "without communication"
    Eliza Madrigal: like "all ___ are dumb", and one responds with "the lilies are gorgeous right now" hehe
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Fefonz Quan: sounds like a zen answer
    Eliza Madrigal: mu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I see now Fef, and Eliza that is on a different level, soundslike redirection actually :)
    Fefonz Quan: (mu?)
    Eliza Madrigal: That seems the standard zen answer...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bhang
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, sometimes it works that way Sharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bhang :)
    Bhang Tyran: hello evryone
    Eliza Madrigal: It has been a while, Bhang
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you
    Bleu Oleander: hi Bhang
    Qt Core: hi Bhang
    Bhang Tyran: namaste
    Fefonz Quan: hi bhang
    Bhang Tyran: how are you all today
    Eliza Madrigal: fairly well. Yourself?
    Qt Core: good untill a few min ago when a mosquito squadron attacked
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good :) (now sitting on hands haha)
    Bhang Tyran: im good good
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe Sharon, oh please don't
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: eeek, Qt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yikes Qt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are you in the middle of the woods?
    Qt Core: no, in city center (and i hadn't seen them for weeks)
    Qt Core: so i was totally unprepared
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe you are particularly juicy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok wish to retract your statement Eliza *laughs*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've known people to take B supplement vitamins to prevent getting bit by mosquitos, maybe you are low in vitamin B
    SophiaSharon Larnia: pretends she is at a quaker meeting and will only speak when inspired :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Agatha
    Fefonz Quan: hi Agatha
    Bhang Tyran: hahaha
    Qt Core: will have to check B carrying foods (don't really like supplements)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :))
    Bleu Oleander: hey Agatha
    Qt Core: hi agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSl, hello everybody
    Eliza Madrigal laughs at Sharon... aren't you always inspired? I know I am... heheh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, and what comes out in words can be weird sometimes lol
    Bhang Tyran: namaste agatha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: shrugs
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ewan :)
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Fefonz Quan: (is it the opposite of expired?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to not be inspired feels like something expired
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ewan :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but thats going too far i guess
    Ewan Bonham: Hi folks
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey :)
    Sartre Placebo: hey ewan
    Bleu Oleander: hi Ewan
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello ewan
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i see SSL, inspiration is about innovation, not freeze in the old 'expired' thoughts/habits
    Bhang Tyran: its to easy to lose good thoughts if you wait to feel inspired
    Bhang Tyran: blurting stuff out works better i think hahaha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: great point
    Fefonz Quan likes the word 'blurt'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: even if you just blurt it6 to yourself
    Bhang Tyran: who thought that up any ways
    Bhang Tyran: "blurt"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rolls the word around
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Satre gone amok
    Eliza Madrigal: yes quite
    Bhang Tyran: alot of innovative people carried notebooks so they could jot down random thoughts
    Bleu Oleander: he must be blurting :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i used to do that, scaps of paper, a gum wrapper once, i dont know what happened to that girl :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: She's probablystill around somewhere :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is a little alarmed by Satre blurting
    Agatha Macbeth thought he was going to play the piano
    Bruce Mowbray: BAK -- [back at keyboard] Poor Sartre. . . (!) and welcome to everyone whose arrival I missed while AFK.
    Bleu Oleander: multitasking perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Bruce :)
    Sartre Placebo: plurting ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Too
    Sartre Placebo: blurting
    Bruce Mowbray: TY!
    Agatha Macbeth: He hath a cup yet drinketh not...
    Bleu Oleander: all spilled
    Fefonz Quan: praticed patience he is
    Bruce Mowbray: looking better, Sartre.
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha, the curse of the AO strikes again
    Bhang Tyran: are you a leprachan srtre?
    Agatha Macbeth: Mad Hatter?
    Sartre Placebo: nods :)
    Bhang Tyran: oh hahahaa
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll have to waear my Alice outfit
    Fefonz Quan: Mad Blurter?
    Eliza Madrigal: have to run... bye for now everyone :))) Nice to see y'all.....
    Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
    Fefonz Quan: (bye Eliza)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz take care :))
    Bhang Tyran: bye bye
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :0 Have fun
    Sartre Placebo: take care eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Just missed 'er
    Bleu Oleander: hey Wol
    Wol Euler: hello everyone else too, just wanted to get her before she left
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Woliphant
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not the mad blurter Fefonz eek :D
    Agatha Macbeth: Eek indeed Shaz
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (refering to previous convo and not Wol!)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well she blurts too ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more? afk to me implies not paying attentionyay :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Wol!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: erase that from your minds plz
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Wol you are looking particularly verbalicious today
    Sartre Placebo: hey wol
    Wol Euler: ty
    Bhang Tyran: cool feathers wol
    Wol Euler beams
    Agatha Macbeth: I think Bleu gets the prize tonight tho
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and Bleu too, sorry I havent said yet ( i thought i did)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That is awesome
    Agatha Macbeth: What is it btw?
    Bleu Oleander: wearing my nationality on my sleeve so to speak
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bleu Oleander: so I can remember to "drop" it
    Wol Euler: matching the cuffs and laces of your boots to the pants' red was a nice touch
    Bleu Oleander: I am a detail av
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: Shades of Captain America
    Agatha Macbeth: (For those who go back that far)
    Bleu Oleander: the texture is actually a Jasper Johns painting
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Agatha lol
    Wol Euler: props to me, I thought so
    Bleu Oleander: say it sell for 28 million
    Bleu Oleander: thought it was av worthy
    Wol Euler: indeed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking that something with blood on it as a symbol it kinda awful
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but maybe i should leave because my impulse conrol today is wonky
    Agatha Macbeth: Blood? Where?
    Fefonz Quan: (what blood?)
    Wol Euler: eh?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the flag. that is what the red is
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
    Bruce Mowbray: Impulse is "good," Sharon. Please stay and shares your impulses with us.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i felt that this July like never before
    Agatha Macbeth: 'The blood of the patriots' kinda thing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I 'knew' that of course, but it didnt sit with me like that
    Wol Euler: huh
    Bruce Mowbray: I hear there's talk of changing the red to oi-spill color.
    Bleu Oleander: yes, need to remember that
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ick
    Bruce Mowbray: oil-spill.
    Bleu Oleander: oil and stars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oil spill is that worse or no? hmm
    Qt Core: oil and sparks... interesting mix
    Bruce Mowbray: Not to be a downer, but the earth is bleeding, folks.
    Fefonz Quan: (should be directed by Spilberg?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Agatha Macbeth doesn't know Spilberg :p
    Bhang Tyran: i heard they are burning the oil slick in some places
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry QT
    Qt Core: and the knife seems to enjoy it
    Qt Core: agatha ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Spilberg?
    Fefonz Quan: knife?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I had this bizarre notion the other day tho, that without the industrial revolution and all the damage that has followed, that we would not have the leisure time to sit and contemplate our world, or anything
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not a new concept, but *feel* that more
    Qt Core: the one cutting the earth
    Agatha Macbeth: You're probably right Shaz
    Bhang Tyran: and whales and crap are surfacing under the fire
    SophiaSharon Larnia: especially not physics
    Agatha Macbeth: Burning crap? Yuk
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so it is almost like some terrible trade off
    Agatha Macbeth stands downwind of the Gulf of Mexico
    Bhang Tyran: this is THE worst spill in history
    Qt Core: but where are the 8 (not 80) hours long weeks of work that were announced thanks to the tech in the beginning of the XX century ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Agatha, better to stand UPwind of the Gulf these days.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I read the panama canel spill was worse per gallon, but im not sure about that
    Agatha Macbeth: Not if there's burning crap around Bruce
    Bleu Oleander: industrial revol promised more leisure time, but how many really have more leisure time?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right
    Wol Euler: sorry, but he's right. Upwind is the safe and clean side
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for the middle class
    Bleu Oleander: not too many of them either
    Bhang Tyran: and the natural gas that comes up is directly burned they arent even trying to catch it
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok then upwind
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: The bit where the smell isn't (wherever that is)
    Ewan Bonham: the reson we don't have more time, i think is because we have chosen to run the materialism rat race
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Fefonz Quan nods to Ewan
    Bruce Mowbray: agreed, Ewan. The thing is how to choose to get OUT of that race.
    Fefonz Quan: not that it's easy ro run (sit) against it
    Bleu Oleander: hard to do now
    Agatha Macbeth: Get disqualified?
    Bleu Oleander: already did that
    Agatha Macbeth: Damn
    Bleu Oleander: by being in the arts :)
    Bruce Mowbray: me too, Bleu - several times.
    Agatha Macbeth: A kick in the arts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone, have fun :))
    Bleu Oleander: bye Sharon
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Sharon!
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care Sharon, mind the blood ;-)
    Qt Core: bye ssl
    Wol Euler: bye sharon
    Fefonz Quan: Bye ssharon)
    Bleu Oleander: bye all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ms USA :)
    Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
    Bhang Tyran: bye bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Bleu.
    Fefonz Quan: Good night all!
    Qt Core: 'night Fef
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fonzie
    Wol Euler: bye fef
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, fef.
    Agatha Macbeth: And he rode off into the sunset....
    Bruce Mowbray wonders: 'Who WAS that masked man?'
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Adam Ant?
    Bruce Mowbray: [with a hearty, "Hi HO, Silverrrrrrr....!]
    Agatha Macbeth: Why not?
    Bruce Mowbray: [awayyyyyy!]
    Wol Euler: wow, ara!
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Wol Euler: quite a new look
    arabella Ella: :)
    Qt Core: hi Ara
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, ara!
    arabella Ella: following your good example Wol
    Wol Euler: ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: Evenin' Ara :)
    Agatha Macbeth: You look cool
    arabella Ella: ty
    arabella Ella: hope i havent sat on anyone's lap
    Agatha Macbeth: (I meant literally)
    arabella Ella: it is literally really hot here at the moment nearly 40 celsius
    Bruce Mowbray: nope. but does everyone know that one can adjust the sitting posture by left-clicking on the cushions?
    Bruce Mowbray: 40 C? WOW -- THAT's HOT!
    arabella Ella: it sure is
    Wol Euler: wowo
    Agatha Macbeth: Glad I'm not there then
    Ewan Bonham: where are you, ella?
    arabella Ella: only cool place is in the sea
    Qt Core: we are waiting the 40C for friday :-(
    arabella Ella: i am on an island in the mediterranean Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: by greece?
    arabella Ella: ah Qt you know what i mean :)
    arabella Ella: closer to italy
    arabella Ella: love the amber hues Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Forever amber :)
    arabella Ella: and forever young too :)
    Agatha Macbeth: No fair
    arabella Ella: ?
    Wol Euler: ty
    Ewan Bonham: Ella, what country is the island in?
    arabella Ella: the island is a nation srate in and of itself
    arabella Ella: Malta
    arabella Ella: do you know it?
    Ewan Bonham: Oh, of course
    Ewan Bonham: Well known
    arabella Ella: even more south than the northernmost part of north africa
    arabella Ella: yet part of europe
    arabella Ella: annd a full member of the EU
    Agatha Macbeth is still trying to work that out
    arabella Ella: ehrm ... Tunis is more north latitude wise
    arabella Ella: where are you Ewan?
    arabella Ella: besides being in SL
    Agatha Macbeth: On a cushion
    Ewan Bonham: Oh, I am in Florida
    Ewan Bonham: SW end of it
    arabella Ella: oh across the large pond then
    Agatha Macbeth: Pretty warm too I would imagine
    Ewan Bonham: yes
    Ewan Bonham: It gets hot and humid here, but that is normal
    arabella Ella: is tha where the everglades are?
    Agatha Macbeth: And the 'gators
    Bruce Mowbray this talk of heat and humidity causes me to want to take off my shirt.
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Ewan Bonham: lol
    Qt Core: quite normal here in south europe too, but we are less used to AC and we love to complain about it too
    Agatha Macbeth: Again?
    arabella Ella: yes I hate AC
    Qt Core: saturday i was surviving, almost enjoying the heat
    Qt Core: then i had to go for several hours in a Aced mall, lovely cold temp
    Qt Core: but then i could not survive back in the NATURAL temp
    arabella Ella: you need a holiday home Qt like most italians ... in Liguria or Veneo or Puglia
    Agatha Macbeth: i love to stand in the frozen food section at the supermarket
    arabella Ella: (Veneto)
    Bruce Mowbray: I take my laptop to the public library -- let them pay for the A/C and the internet.
    arabella Ella: well Ags you got Iceland in the UK dont you
    Qt Core: there are a couple chains that keep AC at (very) low 20 i think... assassins!
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, but no volcano :)
    arabella Ella: oh you like volcanos i see?
    Agatha Macbeth: Quiet ones
    arabella Ella: in eruption?
    arabella Ella: the etna in Sicily can be quite spectacular at times
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually I think they're quite beautiful
    arabella Ella: they are ... honestly
    Agatha Macbeth: as along as you're a safe distance away
    Agatha Macbeth: -a
    arabella Ella: well as some of you may know the ancient greeks built a lovely amphitheate in Taormina in Sicily with the Etna as a natural backdrop and it still looks so magnificient and so clever too
    Ewan Bonham: Well i will take my leave for now...:)
    Ewan Bonham: Nice chatting
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Ewan.
    arabella Ella: bye Ewan
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care Ewan
    Wol Euler: bye ewan
    Qt Core: bye Ewan
    Ingrid Manen: hi
    Qt Core: Hi Ingrid
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ingrid
    Wol Euler: hello ingrid
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Ingrid.
    Agatha Macbeth: Have you been here before Ingrid?
    Ingrid Manen: no I think this is the first time
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, someone needs to introduce you then and the GoC just left
    Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, I'll give you a couple of notecards about us
    Ingrid Manen: You mean this is not public?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes it is :)
    Ingrid Manen: oh ok
    Agatha Macbeth: But what we say here is recorded and published on our Wiki
    Ingrid Manen: ok
    Agatha Macbeth: We need your permission to include your comments :)
    Ingrid Manen: you have the permission
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank you :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It's part of the Lindens' Terms of service you see
    Qt Core: so even more public than most places ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    arabella Ella: nice to meet you Ingrid welcome!
    Ingrid Manen: thanks
    arabella Ella: and Bruce I love your pet fish, so cool
    arabella Ella: looks so faithful too
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, ara! Blub loves you back.
    Ingrid Manen: I see you explore reality
    Wol Euler: we try
    arabella Ella: :)
    Ingrid Manen: ok
    Agatha Macbeth: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    Ingrid Manen: can I ask a question?
    Agatha Macbeth: That will give you a better idea of what we are about
    Wol Euler: sure
    Bruce Mowbray: "reality" - Is that what they call it?
    Agatha Macbeth: Of course ^.^
    Ingrid Manen: how to you think of a life after this life?
    Wol Euler: I don't think of it :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, complex stuff...
    Bruce Mowbray: getting out of the race...?
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Wol Euler: but that's just my opinion
    arabella Ella: i guess we may all have different opinions
    Ingrid Manen: of course
    Bruce Mowbray: merging into the Whole?
    Ingrid Manen: that is why I ask
    Ingrid Manen: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: returning to the Flow.
    Ingrid Manen: do we die and that was it?
    arabella Ella: i myself love to believe in a life after this one but it is all a great mystery
    Ingrid Manen: or is there more
    Bruce Mowbray: letting loose these wee molecules to find their way into more fascinating bodies than my own.
    Wol Euler: there may well be more, but "we" will not know it, because the "us" that experiences and remembers ceases to be
    Wol Euler: the new life is lived by a different person
    Qt Core: but then a life after this one could go from hell to paradise to a waiting area before reincarnation to nirvana
    Bruce Mowbray: fertilizer for trees.
    Ingrid Manen: lol
    Wol Euler: food for worms
    Agatha Macbeth: And that's only if you accept the concept of linear time ;-)
    Ingrid Manen: well that would also be a kind of reincarnation
    Bruce Mowbray: becoming the fish that ate the worms.
    arabella Ella: a great deal depends on one's belief or otherwise in a supernatural being
    Ingrid Manen: yes
    Ingrid Manen: because when you think of a life after this one.... it also makes you think of this life
    Agatha Macbeth: How do you know what is 'after' 'before' and what is 'now'?
    Ingrid Manen: sure
    Ingrid Manen: the order is not important
    arabella Ella: ah Ags that is such a profound philosophical question I am impressed!
    Agatha Macbeth: Or may be illusory
    Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
    arabella Ella: you sound a bit like St Augustine who spoke on that topic way back in time
    Qt Core: when things get lively ;-) i have to go, bye all and have fun
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt.
    arabella Ella: notte Qt sogni d'oro!
    Ingrid Manen: bye
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Time is an illusion, dinnertime doubly so' - Ford Prefect :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
    Qt Core: 'notte Ara
    Ingrid Manen: second life is an illusion
    Ingrid Manen: why not rl too
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but a damn good one
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Those wishing to explore 'past' 'present'and 'future' further may wish to come to the Time Sessions on Friday - 6 a.m. slt - here.
    Agatha Macbeth: How do we know our RL selves are not Avs of greater beings?
    Ingrid Manen: right
    Ingrid Manen: what is the meaning of rl?
    Wol Euler: we are Being's avatars
    Bruce Mowbray: Real Life. (but the "real" part is questionable).
    Agatha Macbeth: Same thing :)
    Ingrid Manen: what is in a name?
    Agatha Macbeth: Like 'real' man
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Ingrid Manen: so perhaps rl is just a way of communicating
    Agatha Macbeth: What is a Real Man?
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Ingrid Manen: but better than sl
    arabella Ella: you tell us Ags?
    Ingrid Manen: a larger program
    Agatha Macbeth: Someone with a hairy chest and a medallion?
    arabella Ella: nd a six pack chest
    Agatha Macbeth: And a big...
    Agatha Macbeth: ego
    Wol Euler snorts
    Agatha Macbeth puts down her soap box
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha -- hairy chest and medallion - 6-pacl. Oh year, sure.
    Bruce Mowbray: yeah.
    Agatha Macbeth: (I didn't mean you Bruce :))
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)))))))
    arabella Ella: that is Aga's british irony Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: "My chest isn't a BIT hairy!"
    Ingrid Manen: but if we do not know about the next life (or previous) what would you expect from it?
    Agatha Macbeth: He hopes...;-)
    Ingrid Manen: like heaven or hell.....
    Ingrid Manen: or the same life, just another avatar?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I think H & H are largely relgious dogmas
    Wol Euler: about real men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Sugar candy Mountain' and all that
    Agatha Macbeth: (Oh no)
    Ingrid Manen: yes but psychologically thay stand for something
    Ingrid Manen: H & H
    arabella Ella: well if i may dare to say so ... if God is good and just and merciful, then there can be no hell but only various grades of happiness in what we may consider as heaven
    Agatha Macbeth: I preferred the one with the tidal wave
    Ingrid Manen: Yes Arabella, I understand
    Ingrid Manen: but do you have an expectation of a heaven then?
    Ingrid Manen: an impression of how it should be?
    arabella Ella: I hope Ingrid but knowledge is different from hope
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: now HERE is a REAL man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-kSZ...eature=related
    Ingrid Manen: of course we cannot have knowledge of it
    Ingrid Manen: unless
    Ingrid Manen: rl is really a programm
    Ingrid Manen: alike sl
    Agatha Macbeth: Must love you and leave you folks, take care
    Ingrid Manen: bye
    Bruce Mowbray: Take care, AGATHA!
    Wol Euler: bye aggers, take care
    arabella Ella: bye Ags
    Wol Euler: I should be off too, it's nearly midnight
    Wol Euler: bye for now, my dears
    arabella Ella: what do you believe then Ingrid?
    arabella Ella: bye Wol take care
    Ingrid Manen: bye wol
    Ingrid Manen: what I think....
    arabella Ella: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Wol.
    Bruce Mowbray: If I might wedge into the discussion of Heaven, Hell, God, etc.... I'm sort of a polytheistic pantheist - - seeing an infinity of divinities in and as Nature.
    Ingrid Manen: I first have to think of the meaning of this life
    Ingrid Manen: I think this life is an analogy of second life
    arabella Ella: i can understand your point o view Bruce
    Ingrid Manen: it would explain the meaning of life better
    Bruce Mowbray: I cannot look at a leaf without seeing the face of God.
    Ingrid Manen: you die and you get a new avatar
    Ingrid Manen: learn again
    Ingrid Manen: fall in love again
    Ingrid Manen: have a job again
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Ingrid Manen: new chance
    Ingrid Manen: chances
    Ingrid Manen: new possibilities
    Ingrid Manen: the muslim people think of an after life
    Ingrid Manen: they have to live well now to earn a afterlife
    arabella Ella nods
    Ingrid Manen: the bad will be sent to hell
    Ingrid Manen: and the good will end up in heaven
    Ingrid Manen: but heaven could not be a dull place without excitement
    Bruce Mowbray: So, divine justice trumps divine forgiveness, love?
    Ingrid Manen: it could not be a place where all your wishes will be fulfilled
    arabella Ella: i tend to disagree with you there ingrid
    Ingrid Manen: so if heaven would be pleasant, it would have to have a struggle for life
    arabella Ella: it is more like living in a state of contentment rather than having desires fulfilled
    Ingrid Manen: only then it would be exciting
    Ingrid Manen: ok
    Ingrid Manen: but if heaven is a state
    Bruce Mowbray is confused: Go to hell for fulfilling wishes in THIS life but then get wishes fulfilled in AFTER life. . . ?
    Ingrid Manen: there is no growth
    arabella Ella: i also doubt whether it needs to be exciting if we would be contended ... exactly in a state of contentment where we need absolutely nothing
    Ingrid Manen: but that would be equal to death
    Ingrid Manen: death is a state
    Ingrid Manen: like
    Bruce Mowbray: Are there conflicts in Heaven, then?
    Ingrid Manen: if it would be like sitting on the beach with a bottle of coke all day watching life
    Ingrid Manen: we would not need a brain right?
    Ingrid Manen: only eyes
    Bruce Mowbray: So conflict as "meaning" to one's existence in Heaven?
    Ingrid Manen: it would almost be equal to death
    Bruce Mowbray: adds meaning.
    Ingrid Manen: I expect conflicts in heaven
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm....
    Ingrid Manen: happiness of one will always limit happiness of others
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear. I was hoping for happiness shared.
    Ingrid Manen: so there will be conflicts
    Ingrid Manen: if you share happiness it would have to be a compromise
    Bruce Mowbray: Only so much happiness to go around - in heaven?
    arabella Ella: where did you get that idea of conflicts from Ingrid?
    Ingrid Manen: because I cannot imagine heaven to be dull
    Bruce Mowbray: I threw in the idea of 'conflicts in heaven.' sorry.
    arabella Ella: do we need conflicts for something not to be dull?
    Ingrid Manen: if I would only be in a state of happiness, without a challenge
    Ingrid Manen: it would be dull
    Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to return to RL "conflicts" -- all be well -- and come back, please, Ingrid.
    Ingrid Manen: no it would need us to be stimulated to think
    Ingrid Manen: :)
    arabella Ella: bye Bruce
    Ingrid Manen: bye bruce
    arabella Ella: you are mentioning things that happen in life Ingrid
    Ingrid Manen: yes
    arabella Ella: why should heaven be so similar to life?
    Ingrid Manen: because I love life as it is
    Ingrid Manen: with challenges
    Ingrid Manen: with achievements
    Ingrid Manen: with excitement
    Ingrid Manen: else heaven could be like being a gellyfish in an ocean filled with food
    arabella Ella: ah but have you never seen people living a simple life with no challenges and being always content?
    Ingrid Manen: every life has challenges
    Ingrid Manen: else life would be dull
    arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino only just noticed you are here apologies
    Ingrid Manen: hi calivino, sorry too
    morgano Bravin: hello
    Ingrid Manen: and morgana
    Calvino Rabeni: I decided to Pop In for a short time - hello everyone
    Ingrid Manen: hi
    arabella Ella: Hiya morgano
    morgano Bravin: hi
    Ingrid Manen: we were talking about our expectations of heaven or hell or any after life
    morgano Bravin: yes?
    morgano Bravin: heaven will be a lovely place
    arabella Ella: yes ingrid seems to think heaven has its challenges to keep us excited ... in a nutshell
    Ingrid Manen: perhaps this is the best we will h ave
    arabella Ella: i disagree
    morgano Bravin: I think we owe it to life t treat this life with respect
    Calvino Rabeni: I believe heaven and hell are metaphors for the states of existence we may have in the one live we have
    Ingrid Manen: ok nice
    Ingrid Manen: so hell and heaven are in this life
    Ingrid Manen: part of this life
    Calvino Rabeni: So yes, I live in heaven and in hell already
    arabella Ella: they could be Calvino as there are so many things which i feel are still a mystery and about which it is not likely we will ever have knowledge
    Ingrid Manen: but it is interesting to know what we expect from heaven and hell
    morgano Bravin: like a dream state, if we fillour soul with bad things we dream bad,,I think heaven if anything will be in the same vein
    Ingrid Manen: because it makes us value this life
    arabella Ella: what we do have to be careful about is that religion in the past was often used to control people's minds and to get them to conform ... it still takes on that role in certain cultures and contexts
    Ingrid Manen: I agree arabella
    Calvino Rabeni: This might be unavoidable
    Calvino Rabeni: but it can be eased a lot
    Ingrid Manen: people always are subjective
    Ingrid Manen: the bible has been censured a lot
    arabella Ella: yes but at least those of us here have the benefit of education and of critical thinking too
    Ingrid Manen: Quran and hadith also are written in a time of violence
    Calvino Rabeni: True arabella
    morgano Bravin: I am sure that if we are judged then our actions in this life will be important for us to strive to keep on the right track
    Calvino Rabeni: but hasn't there been a cost, in terms of faith, to have that modern education?
    Ingrid Manen: ok morgana
    Ingrid Manen: it is the christian and islamic thought
    morgano Bravin: and this in turn would not do us any harm in this life anyway
    Ingrid Manen: I agree
    Ingrid Manen: see it is valuing our life
    arabella Ella: another thing about which we should be cautious is that most major religions are controlled by male humans ... and to be human is to err
    Ingrid Manen: let's change that arabella
    arabella Ella: one example ... why are there no efforts made to see the commonalities amongst religions rather than divide by stressing the differences?
    Calvino Rabeni: But folk religions are controlled by female humans
    morgano Bravin: temptation is always a road to problems
    Calvino Rabeni: the inner aspects of the major religions also, I believe
    Calvino Rabeni: It differs by cultures, I suppose
    Ingrid Manen: most cultures have the males dominiting
    arabella Ella: in ancient times Calvino females were considered to be more spiritual and now we have a re-emergence of that with female goddess religions
    Calvino Rabeni: Only the outer life, Ingrid
    Ingrid Manen: what is the outer and inners life
    Ingrid Manen: explain calvino
    morgano Bravin: behind every great man is a woman,,so lets not blame men for all the wrong goings on
    Ingrid Manen: ah ok
    Calvino Rabeni: There is plenty of power to go around, and even with gender roles, everyone has their share
    arabella Ella: the female in most religions often takes on the role of a sort of servant or 'handmaiden'
    Calvino Rabeni: for example, in the USA, the females have claimed the moral high ground
    Calvino Rabeni: Although that isn't really modern
    morgano Bravin: thats imoral surely Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance you see it in the Tarot symbolism
    Calvino Rabeni: It is immoral to monopolize any moral ground for power purposes
    arabella Ella: but Calvino compare the way in which Clinton survived his 'ordeal' to the way in which Palin was 'butcherd'
    Calvino Rabeni: it is moral however to take the job of tending that ground
    Calvino Rabeni: and often those two roles come together
    Calvino Rabeni: because groups of people have members who have different moral motivations
    Ingrid Manen: still
    morgano Bravin: Clinton hada nice personality,,nothing more
    Ingrid Manen: female dominating is recent (if they dominate....)
    Ingrid Manen: only in prehistory females dominated in primitive cultures
    arabella Ella: seems like they do in some north european countries Ingrid
    morgano Bravin: females are good at subversive suggestion
    arabella Ella: argh ... morgano!
    Ingrid Manen: I have not heard of those countries
    arabella Ella: Germany? Denmark? Finland?
    Ingrid Manen: no,
    Calvino Rabeni: Remember, there is more to human life than the political sphere, with its rigid stereotyped rules and expectations
    Ingrid Manen: I come form the Netherlands.... not heard of our neighbours having maternal cultures
    Ingrid Manen: but does this mean
    arabella Ella: i said females in power not maternal cultures ... but we should be silent please!
    Ingrid Manen: that the meaning of life really is about power?
    Calvino Rabeni: The question is - what *type* of power...
    Calvino Rabeni: What does it mean - "behind every good man is ... a woman" ?
    morgano Bravin: now that women are supposedly empowered..as a gender,,then that just means more strife
    morgano Bravin: Well Cal, it may be a joke
    arabella Ella: i think we should look more towards complementarity rather than power
    morgano Bravin: for example,,Hitler hada good woman
    Calvino Rabeni: It means, behind the public external face, of men, with its stereotyped power roles, there is likely to be a relationship with women as the holders of a moral compass and spiritual authority
    arabella Ella: males and females if we wish to go in that direction should complement each other
    Ingrid Manen: we should all complement each other
    Calvino Rabeni: The alternative, Ara, is to reclaim the full dimensions of the meaning of "power"
    arabella Ella nods
    morgano Bravin: each gender should nourish the other,,this is nature I feel,,but because of power games they poison each other instead
    Ingrid Manen: but we started about heaven and hell and life.....
    Ingrid Manen: how is power related to that
    arabella Ella: well Ingrid dont you think it is good to have different opinions?
    Ingrid Manen: of course
    arabella Ella: diversity
    arabella Ella: it would be boring if we always agreed on everything
    Ingrid Manen: heaven would be boring...
    Calvino Rabeni: If power is not defined more broadly, it amounts to a social construction that is oppressive of diversity
    Ingrid Manen: that is why I think of heaven having conflicts too
    Calvino Rabeni: and a situaltion in which the "rules" are stacked against minority positions
    arabella Ella: quite right Calvino
    Ingrid Manen: power has proved to be oppresive
    Calvino Rabeni: Not really,
    Calvino Rabeni: it is being unbalanced and incomplete that is oppressive
    arabella Ella: Calvino is proposing a re-definition and re-conception of the concept of power if i read him correctly
    Ingrid Manen: power is always a unbalance
    Calvino Rabeni: In certain subcultures, completely different definitions of power exist - and they are in ways equally oppressive
    morgano Bravin: there is this strange idea that women , when they hada womanly role of tending children and looking after a home, were of no worth,,this was in the mind of women,,the masculisation of women in womans attempt to equal the power ofman hasjust created a conflict front
    Calvino Rabeni: Power is just the force behind the exchange of different energies
    Calvino Rabeni: if ther were no power differences, energy would not move
    Calvino Rabeni: we would have a static world
    Calvino Rabeni: it is an analogy with physics, but I think it holds
    Ingrid Manen: static = balance ?
    Calvino Rabeni: for example, suppose the sun were spread out into a sphere surrounding the earth, so that every point got exactly the same energy at the same time
    Calvino Rabeni: there would be no power gradients
    morgano Bravin: the power can become neutralising
    Calvino Rabeni: energy would not flow, and all life would cease
    morgano Bravin: when in opposite directions
    Ingrid Manen: power implicates there is a unpower (weakness) too
    Ingrid Manen: power is always in relation to
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, that is yin and yang, two fundamental forces of how things move
    morgano Bravin: ego is to some extent to blame in my opinion,,man and woman should show humbleness towards each others good nature
    Calvino Rabeni: one thing that really needs to happen, is to regain respect for the Yin principle
    Calvino Rabeni: If you get a chance, ask Pila about this
    arabella Ella nods vigorously
    Calvino Rabeni: He has thought about it in depth
    arabella Ella: and agrees too
    morgano Bravin: I met Pila the other week
    morgano Bravin: he seemed a nice man
    Calvino Rabeni: Pila is nice - also has good diversity and depth of knowledge
    arabella Ella: Pila is one of the nicest people around in my opinion and very humble too
    Calvino Rabeni: and willingness to engage with it
    arabella Ella: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I agree
    morgano Bravin: he seemed to know so much about so many cultures
    arabella Ella: i am enjoying the i ching sessions with him but regretfully i had to miss the one he did this week
    arabella Ella: but i feel i am gaining a lot from those sessions
    Calvino Rabeni: I did not realize you were atnndig those session
    arabella Ella: he is very generous
    Calvino Rabeni: yess
    morgano Bravin: the contemplative aspect of the i ching is worth much in its own right
    Calvino Rabeni: If you want to do a simple I Ching reading, there is a Bagua wheel on my house in the PaB vilage
    Ingrid Manen: I thank you all for the chat, I have to go now
    Ingrid Manen: I made a landmakr of this place
    Calvino Rabeni: Good to meet you Ingrid
    Calvino Rabeni: Hope to see you later
    arabella Ella: bye Ingrid nice meeting you and feel free to visit whenever you wish
    Ingrid Manen: same here
    morgano Bravin: the resonance with the change in life is intiguing but beyond my comprehension
    morgano Bravin: bye Ingrid
    Ingrid Manen: see you later
    morgano Bravin: is Satre a bot?
    Calvino Rabeni: No
    morgano Bravin: k
    Calvino Rabeni: Sartre is an Alt for Yakuzza as far as I know
    arabella Ella nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Yaku is somewhere else right now in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: probably getting all the attention
    Calvino Rabeni: so Sartre is a bit of a zombie at the moment, but not a bot
    morgano Bravin: he is two avi's?
    Calvino Rabeni: (oops, forgot the bell)
    morgano Bravin: does he use two pc'sthen?
    Calvino Rabeni: That can be done, but also two viewers can be used on one computer
    morgano Bravin: thats interesting
    arabella Ella: oh so can i open viewer two with one avi and emerald with another alt?
    arabella Ella: and use the reduced screen option?
    Calvino Rabeni: It shoud work yes
    arabella Ella: wow cool ... although i doubt my laptop can take all those graphics
    arabella Ella: it can barely take poor ara on her own
    Calvino Rabeni: Mine neither - it pants enough on one SL
    morgano Bravin: nor mine Arabella
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: that is a consolation
    arabella Ella: ara is not alone
    morgano Bravin: :)
    morgano Bravin: not wishing to stray too much but I cant help noticing how nice your shoes are Arabella
    arabella Ella: thank you morgano
    arabella Ella: i love high heels ... not so practical in RL tho
    morgano Bravin: yes me too, but I feel so silly shopping on sl,,I dont suppose you can point me in the right direction to a good shoe shop?
    arabella Ella: yes of course
    morgano Bravin: thankyou
    arabella Ella: altho i must admit i dont particularly enjoy shopping on SL
    arabella Ella: it just does not compare to shopping in RL
    Calvino Rabeni: True
    morgano Bravin: exactly what I was thinking Arabella
    arabella Ella: what i mean is that there have been times in my RL when i have benefitte4d from retail theraphy ... but it does not work for me on SL somehow
    arabella Ella: and i have been here long enough ... nearly three years now
    arabella Ella: but maybe with time ...
    morgano Bravin: it was an nteresting discussion tonight,is this usual for here?
    arabella Ella: difficult question morgano ... i dont think anything really can be considered 'usual'
    arabella Ella: i must go now though it is very late here
    Calvino Rabeni: There is no "usual" but it depends on the "chemistry" of who is here
    arabella Ella: good night Calvino, Morgano, Sartre
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night sleep well :)
    morgano Bravin: thankyou ,,I may come again if thats ok with you
    morgano Bravin: goodnight Arabella
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes morgano - any time
    Calvino Rabeni: the group meets 4 times a day
    morgano Bravin: thankyou
    Calvino Rabeni: with different people all over the world
    morgano Bravin: yes, i have a card
    Calvino Rabeni: OK good
    morgano Bravin: looks fun
    morgano Bravin: I must make my leave now too
    Calvino Rabeni: Same with me
    Calvino Rabeni: good meeting you, bye for now
    morgano Bravin: thankyou

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