2010.07.15 13:00 - Theme session: What does Play as Being mean to you?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun. Some editing by Calvino Rabeni.

    This PaB session was a Theme session with the title "What Does Play as Being mean to you?" (session description), moderated by Calvino Rabeni and SophiaSharon Larnia.
    We had the following questions in our mind:

    • What would I tell a friend about PaB to recommend it to them? 
    • What attracted me to PaB initially? What keeps me there?
    • How is it important, valuable, or beneficial to me?
    • What do I find most interesting, fascinating, or engaging about it?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Cal, Hi Lia :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello sophia and calvino
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Pila, Bleu and Darren :))
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello bleu
    Darren Islar: hi everyone
    Lia Rikugun: hi pila
    Lia Rikugun: and darren
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wow Bleu!
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very nice outfit
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    SophiaSharon Larnia: greetings!
    Bleu Oleander: (not as american as yesterday :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) lovely
    Darren Islar: hi Bert
    Pila Mulligan: hi Bert
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Bleu Oleander: thank you both Sharon and Cal for having this session :)
    Darren Islar: I only see red hair :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: never did one before, so I will try :)
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Pila Mulligan: hi Gaya
    Darren Islar: hi Gaya, Pema
    Pila Mulligan: hi Pema
    Bleu Oleander: hi Pema
    Bertram Jacobus: hi gaya and pema :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Gaya :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Gaya
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll give the link again to the session description - in case you 'd like to read it
    Pema Pera: Hi Everybody!
    Calvino Rabeni: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Theme_Sessions/Personal_Reflections_on_PlayAsBeing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hey bruce ! :-)
    Darren Islar: hi Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, folks... still rezzin' over here.
    Darren Islar: at least with a cup of coffee :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi adoro
    Darren Islar: hi Adoro
    Bertram Jacobus: and hi adoro ... :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi
    adoro Rhapsody: all
    Bleu Oleander: hi adoro
    Darren Islar: oh hi Blub :)
    Pema Pera: hi Bruce and Adoro!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was waiting a few minutes for people to arrive, and I'm happy to see you all here :)))
    Darren Islar: Bruce that seat is already taken
    SophiaSharon Larnia: This is a theme session on "What Does Play As Being Mean to You?".
    Darren Islar: there is one between me and Adoro
    Bertram Jacobus: very nice topic i find
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did you see the link and able to look at the page?
    Bertram Jacobus: i read it already before, "yes" ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    Darren Islar: yes
    adoro Rhapsody: where ?
    adoro Rhapsody: was the link ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: When this session was first suggested by Calvino, I had a different idea of what that mean, one more conteplative and vague I guess
    Darren Islar: Calvino Rabeni: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Theme_Sessions/Personal_Reflections_on_PlayAsBeing
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: i have looked there before
    adoro Rhapsody: i understand
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I see the question as one of talking about our personal experiences
    adoro Rhapsody: me too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was a little surprised at the phrasing of 'I' and 'me'
    Bertram Jacobus: why ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it reminded me to look at my experience for what it is, Ive been getting lost in contemplation
    Calvino Rabeni: sometimes it's good to remember - it is "me" having the contemplations
    Calvino Rabeni: so it appears in a unique way for each person
    Calvino Rabeni: and there's a lot of richness in that
    Bertram Jacobus: isn´t there always a stage, where i makes sense and another where not ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: true
    Calvino Rabeni: If we tried to communicate the PaB experience to a friend
    Calvino Rabeni: they might be interested in the "ideas" of it
    Calvino Rabeni: but they would probably be really interested i the personal experience
    Darren Islar: to me contemplation is about looking from 'I'
    Darren Islar: knowing that I do so
    Calvino Rabeni: like why I would like attending
    Lia Rikugun: for me it is something to remind me of what else there is out there, other important things and questions
    Darren Islar: knowing it is the only thing I know
    Calvino Rabeni: because they are interested in finding out something personal for themselves, perhaps
    --BELL--
    Bertram Jacobus: yes cal that will be often the case i think
    Calvino Rabeni: hearing lia, I remember that is important to me also
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I point out the sense of a "sacred space" where people's comments and thoughts are not judged, but shared. I've said that participants are of all different faiths and world views.
    Lia Rikugun: yes, not to get cought up in everyday life, this happenbs so fast
    Pila Mulligan: several people have commented on how the bird sounds here are almost indistinguishable from RL bird sounds -- the same is probably true regarding fellowship here: it is almost indistinguishable from RL friendship
    Lia Rikugun: actually it is also a lot with learning about myself
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles @ Pila
    Lia Rikugun: learning from the other comes to that :)
    adoro Rhapsody: the emotions are real
    adoro Rhapsody: the thoughts are real too
    Bertram Jacobus: for me, pab brought me to be more aware that i am a part of being playing - very nice
    Bertram Jacobus: and it´s also a constant support by the group - whereas one shall be able to survive by oneself, too ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and the people here are beings playing too :))
    Calvino Rabeni: I feel there has been effect on RL also - like finding it easier to converse with people there on a wider variety of concerns
    Bleu Oleander: nods @ Cal
    Lia Rikugun: for me it is like a state of mind: having an open mind and heart, and every day continue to be curious and astonished by life
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni nods
    Calvino Rabeni: curiosity :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it helped to ground me a lot, although i tend to still float around :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: it gives me inner peace
    SophiaSharon Larnia: At first, I was just happy I to sit in at all, some of the conversations were over my head.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: (@ sharon) - again and again i have a part of a songtext by the very old group "nektar" (the 70´s!) in my mind : "my feet are on the ground, my head is all around" - like that ! ... :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s even an orientation to me ...
    Bertram Jacobus: (and i still see my avatar writing although i didn´t write anything - silly thing) ! ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I have been thinking about this all day -- since this morning's session.
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I've tried to put my thoughts into a poem...
    Bruce Mowbray: uhhhh. . .
    Bertram Jacobus: about what exactly please Bruce ? :-) - ah : we will hear / read it now ? :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: yesterday
    Bruce Mowbray: bear with me -- it's not finished... but I will feed it into the chat a few lines at a time...
    adoro Rhapsody: well i am interested 

    Bruce wrote a poem:

    Sonnet - "In Praise of 90-Second Breaks"
    There lies in every crude and common crag
    An opening through which to find and flag
    The cosmos down - in wordless wonder's wake.
    A brief hiatus, hole, or bonnie break
    That naughty Nature notches everywhere
    To catch our contemplations unaware.
    And in serenely self-determined mode
    Each one of us will find herself abode
    Therein. A hermitage, an inward home,
    Through which imagination's stallions roam
    Unbridled. Nature made it so in every bind,
    Specific speckle, particle, and mind.
    A penetrating argument for Grace:
    That puny perforations offer space! -

     - July 15, 2010 - by Bruce Mowbray


    SophiaSharon Larnia: *claps*
    Gaya Ethaniel: heh another poet :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: *cheers*
    Bruce Mowbray: that's it.
    Pema Pera: clap clap clap :)
    Lia Rikugun: nice!
    Calvino Rabeni: wonderful !
    adoro Rhapsody: APPLAUSE !!!!
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)))
    Bleu Oleander: very nice Bruce!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Calvino Rabeni: I felt a lot in that poem
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you for reading it.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you!
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful, great
    Pila Mulligan: where's Eden?
    Pema Pera: nice to feel how you caught the diversity of the breaks, Bruce!
    adoro Rhapsody: now the world can read it because it is published in the wiki
    Bruce Mowbray: This is probably the most valuable experience I've ever had in SL.
    Darren Islar: I'm afraid I didn't understand a word of it :)))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so happy to hear that
    --BELL--
    Bruce Mowbray: I felt it deserved come concentration -- and the sonnet helps me to do that.
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe we can explain later in some exegesis of the poem
    Darren Islar: But what I do catch, sounds really great :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: appreciating you all in the 90 seconds here
    Calvino Rabeni: We have people of different languages here - I have felt it a learning experience to communicate essential ideas and not rely on complicated language
    Lia Rikugun: (sorry i need to leave, going back to a barbecue party, could someone please greet any new viusitors?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Lia :) thank you!!!
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Darren Islar: sure, np
    adoro Rhapsody: lia
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have fun Lia :)
    Bertram Jacobus: sure lia - enjoy ! *wave*
    Pila Mulligan: bye Lia
    Lia Rikugun: thank you, byebye
    Bleu Oleander: bye Lia
    Pema Pera: bye Lia!
    Darren Islar: to me PaB is one big battlefield
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that can be a careful thng, Calvino :)
    Pila Mulligan: are you winning Darren?
    Darren Islar: hehe, sometimes :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: is it an arena or an area ?
    Darren Islar: but I find it hard to communicate what I'm seeking for
    Calvino Rabeni: If the battle is worth fighting, it is honorable - "no blame" as the I Ching says :)
    Darren Islar: things that I feel deep inside
    Darren Islar: how to relate them with others?
    Calvino Rabeni: I understand that well
    SophiaSharon Larnia: listens
    adoro Rhapsody: inside is outside says TAO
    Darren Islar: yes Adoro, I guess that is what I meet in this group
    adoro Rhapsody: me too
    Darren Islar: when question really matter, it can be' challenging'
    Darren Islar: (there is somehting wrong about that word :))
    Darren Islar: and sometimes that feels great, and sometimes there is 'work' to be done
    Darren Islar: work with myself, defining feelings, thoughts, questions, answers
    Pila Mulligan: some people interpet the Kurukshetra battlefield in the Bhagavad Gita as representative of the field of human expereince
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: sometimes I feel deep connection, sometimes I don't
    Darren Islar: giving me new questions :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I often feel a difference between Inside and Outside, maybe a tension between, them, and seek a way of expression that can serve the needs of both at the same time - that's kind of a Koan for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: play as being here, a truce, in a way?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: neutral ground?
    adoro Rhapsody: is that not the start of we /they thinking ?
    Darren Islar: no, no truce
    adoro Rhapsody: inclusion or exclusion ?
    Darren Islar: the opposite
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Darren Islar: but I think that is worthwhile
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, i understand what you are saying, for me it feel a little different
    adoro Rhapsody: so? tell us
    Darren Islar: the process is interesting, but hard sometimes
    adoro Rhapsody: Sopia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: definitely
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku.
    adoro Rhapsody: hey
    Darren Islar: hi Yaku :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza
    Pema Pera: hi Yaku!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Yaku :)
    adoro Rhapsody: yakuzi
    Bleu Oleander: (sry need to go ... slips out quitetly ... thank you Sharon and Cal)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Bleu :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we're having a theme session on "What Does Play As Being Mean to You?".
    Darren Islar: bye Bleu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bleu
    Pema Pera: bye Bleu!
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye bye, Bleu (and red and white)
    adoro Rhapsody: bye blue byuou
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (to Yaku)
    Calvino Rabeni: For a long time I have been fascinated by the ideas of open dialogue and authenticity, and perceived PaB as a place that could be friendly to those things - maybe even having them as prime ideas
    Bertram Jacobus: sry - was distracted - hy yaku and bye bleu (for the log) ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray likes the concept of "prime ideas." Archetypes?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes a kind of role models
    adoro Rhapsody: for new thinking
    Bertram Jacobus: but aoro - may i still aks ? : what did you mean by "including or excluding", please ?
    Bruce Mowbray: say more, Cal, please.
    adoro Rhapsody: well the we/they thinking
    Calvino Rabeni: As adoro said, role models for a new kind of thinking - this might be something PaB offers
    adoro Rhapsody: the separation between us and they
    --BELL--
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. ty adoro :-)
    Darren Islar: it is hard not to feel the me-them, but sincerely try to see the reflections of 'them' in myself. That is why I think contemplation can only be done from the I-perspective
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Agatha :)
    Pema Pera: hi there, Agatha!
    adoro Rhapsody: hi
    Bertram Jacobus: hi agatha ! ... :-)
    Darren Islar: hi Agatha
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the "I" of the witness, but not the "I" of a limited perspecetive
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello everybody :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Listening to yourself opens you to "seeing" appearance as they arise; appearances happening on a mental/cognitive level as one of the ways things "appear".
    Bruce Mowbray: "The eye (I?) through which I see is the same eye (I?) that sees me."
    Darren Islar: I know the I of the witness, don't know if I already met the I of perspectives :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Agatha :)
    Darren Islar: hard to say
    adoro Rhapsody: wonderful bruce !
    Bruce Mowbray: What is the exact quote from Meister Echart?
    Darren Islar: well i guess there is no I in the end, but I'm afraid the I is still very realy to me :))
    Bruce Mowbray: can't quite recall it -- Pema quoted it in the Intro.
    Darren Islar: real
    Bertram Jacobus: what does it mean to you darren ? if i may ask (?) ...
    Darren Islar: and for me that is the place to start
    Darren Islar: keeping an open mind of course
    Darren Islar: what Bert exactly?
    Darren Islar: exctly
    Bertram Jacobus: i came more and more to the conviction, that this i makes more trouble then it helps, so ...
    Bertram Jacobus: the i
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a sense, Darren might be talking about the idea of "starting from where you are"?
    Darren Islar: true
    Darren Islar: right Cal
    Darren Islar: and I'm not a Buddha
    Bertram Jacobus: my intention is to get rid of it and only let the so to call practical aspect of it undissolved ;-)
    Darren Islar: if I look in myself I feel the I is very important to me
    Darren Islar: also seeing it causes a lot of problems
    Darren Islar: so I try to change the I
    Darren Islar: make it adapt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: does being know the difference
    adoro Rhapsody: it could also cause opportunities
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eos
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
    Pema Pera: Hi Eos!
    Darren Islar: right Adoro
    Calvino Rabeni: To see it - seems to then create the possibility - to accept it or to transform it or to let it go
    Darren Islar: right Cal
    Darren Islar: hi Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Eos
    Bertram Jacobus: hi eos - sry - must ask this here : didn´t you get my email ?
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi PaBers
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eos :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi eos
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eos
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, eos.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I Im's you Eos, im not sure it wen through
    Bruce Mowbray: I finquote:ally found the
    Bruce Mowbray: finayy. .
    Bruce Mowbray: finally
    Bruce Mowbray: Eckhart's famous quote: The eye by which I see God is the same as the eye by which God sees me. My eye and God's eye are one and the same: one in seeing, one in knowing, and one in loving.
    Eos Amaterasu: thnx pila; email, Bert (re Stuttgart?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Darren Islar: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Bertram Jacobus: yes eos - but didn´t read an answer yet (?)
    Bruce Mowbray: I really appreciate Darren's search -- and honest, and humility with that.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    adoro Rhapsody: me too
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm very close to what he said about himself.
    Darren Islar: thanks
    adoro Rhapsody: sharing it make us stronger
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza :)
    Calvino Rabeni: For me, PaB connects with some important human things - curiosity about the world and about others, for instance, and enjoying exploration, and working together on shared concerns
    Darren Islar: hi Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: welcome, Eliza.
    Pila Mulligan: hi ELiza
    Pema Pera: hi there, Eliza!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liz :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: hi eliza
    Calvino Rabeni: I guess those are kind of community things
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
    Darren Islar: I think community is key here
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :) Sorry to miss the theme session.. just getting home and look forward to reading :)
    Darren Islar: for the good and the bad :))
    Pema Pera: Hi Zon, good to see you again!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zon and np Eliza!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zon :)
    Pila Mulligan: in Hawai`i people sit around, usually outside, and 'talk story' -- that's their label for RL social episodes of the type of chat session PaB has in SL -- I enjoy it :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: glad you are here now ;)
    Agatha Macbeth waves to zon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds nice Pila
    Bertram Jacobus: hey zon
    Darren Islar: :) Pila
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon.
    adoro Rhapsody: hi zon
    Darren Islar: hi Zon
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon
    Darren Islar: (more then a full circle, counting Blub in :))
    Calvino Rabeni: I also wanted to say - something about my inital interest in PaB - that it sounded like some kind of interesting and grand experiment - rather unusual also :)
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Cal, agreed.
    Bruce Mowbray: [Blub is overjoyed to be included.]
    adoro Rhapsody: nice
    Bertram Jacobus giggles
    adoro Rhapsody: also fishes can enjoy community
    --BELL--
    Calvino Rabeni: Bruce, has Blub heard about - "water" ? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: The 'experiment' continues -- the discovery continues.
    Bruce Mowbray: Blub likes it up here where he can see everyone.
    Darren Islar: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: can u let him swim in the fountain ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting your comments before on inter-species communication, Bruce, we are not different species, but we sure are diverse!
    Bruce Mowbray wonders about the Ways of Meaning group...
    Bertram Jacobus: same here - i´ll leave - enjoyed the session very much - ty all ! and may all beings be happy please ...
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... me too :)
    Pema Pera: thank you so much, Calvino and Sharon, for organizing this theme meeting -- and for all of you for such a stimulating conversation!
    Pila Mulligan: bye Pema
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ways of knowing?
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema :)
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema, Bye Bertram :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Is that being held in the Cafe?
    Calvino Rabeni: YW, Bye Pema :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye Bert
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Pema :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Agatha Macbeth: Ways of Meaning sounds good :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed :))
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    adoro Rhapsody: wom
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Pem
    Darren Islar: bye Pema
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Bert :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ways of Knowing Meaning
    adoro Rhapsody: yip
    Zon Quar: is it starting now ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Not today....
    Eliza Madrigal: Normally yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: It will return in August ...
    Bruce Mowbray: scheduled to, yes.
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, well, Kira does have Ways of Knowing as a class
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes, thurday at 2
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- sorry.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://ways-of-knowing.wik.is/
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all... on vacation for the moment Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: ok. thanks.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ty gaya was looking for that
    Calvino Rabeni: And there has also been some talk about creating Ways of Meaning also
    Eliza Madrigal: but lots to read at the site :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so no mass exodus then hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pila Mulligan slips away -- bye for now :)
    Eliza Madrigal just got here
    adoro Rhapsody: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pila :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Only for Moses
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pila!
    Zon Quar: what was ur topic today..i missed it ?
    Darren Islar: bye Pila
    Agatha Macbeth waves to pila
    SophiaSharon Larnia: theme session "What Does Play As Being Mean to You?".
    Zon Quar: ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Theme_Sessions/Personal_Reflections_on_PlayAsBeing
    Eliza Madrigal: I was driving... looking at the clock... thinking "Oh... I'll drive just five miles faster and get there on time..."
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my
    Eliza Madrigal: but we have tolls on the turnpike and hm... traffic would not cooperate :)
    adoro Rhapsody: timeless
    Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
    Darren Islar: hmmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, all is just perfect I'm sure
    Gaya Ethaniel: I need to go also. Thanks everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: compelling topic though :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya (( ))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya :)
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Gaya take care
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye gaya
    Darren Islar: bye Gaya
    Calvino Rabeni: If the overall experience did not feel like it had both peace, and a battlefield, I'd think it incomplete
    adoro Rhapsody: ?
    Calvino Rabeni: I've noticed from RL groups, there's often a struggle about being personal and authentic
    Calvino Rabeni: that is a kind of battle, in a way
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Calvino Rabeni: it is a battle for knowing reality better
    Zon Quar: what do u mean by personal
    Zon Quar: not authetic ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia wants to let go of the battle
    adoro Rhapsody: what is the difference ?
    Bruce Mowbray: "He who is not busy being born is busy dying." - Bob Dylan
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    adoro Rhapsody: bruce
    Calvino Rabeni: And even when a group tries to create an open dialogue - and make it different rules than in RL, all those issues don't disappear
    Bruce Mowbray: birth sometimes feels like a battle.
    adoro Rhapsody: what a text !
    Calvino Rabeni: True, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank Bob Dylan for that one!
    adoro Rhapsody: its hard to be born
    Zon Quar: do u mean personal cannot be not authetic
    Calvino Rabeni: in most moments something desires to be born
    SophiaSharon Larnia sees a battle as happening - over there
    adoro Rhapsody: competition
    Eos Amaterasu: the vorpal blades are drawn, and through and through they go snicker snack
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure what you mean Zon
    Zon Quar: u said a battle
    Zon Quar: between personality
    Zon Quar: and being auhetic
    Eos Amaterasu notes that Being is Playing
    Zon Quar: can u elaborate
    Calvino Rabeni: there's the idea of jihad, a kind of spiritual battle with oneself
    Calvino Rabeni: the question is, does one's essence feel at play in the world
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that what Jihad means?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a play as being guardian reminded me the other day, when i asked what would you do with eternity (being, playing) that there is no such thing as eternity
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if there is no time
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that is the inner meaning of that word
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah...was thinking of the 'outer' meaning then
    adoro Rhapsody: competition or cooperation ?
    --BELL--
    Calvino Rabeni: It is loaded negatively for many westerners and we don't have a similar word
    Calvino Rabeni: but it means, the struggle to be real, to bring essence into the world
    Zon Quar: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Zon Quar: through this personality which is a kind of mask or device or instrument
    Darren Islar: but it also means that it includes eternity
    Darren Islar: bye all, need to go :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night darren
    adoro Rhapsody: by dar
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Darren :0 thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye darren, take care
    Zon Quar: nite
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Darren :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for your offerings today, Darren. Be well.
    Eos Amaterasu: What did those 90 secs have to do with Play as Being?Ciao Dar
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles and Eos and thinks
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: @
    Eos Amaterasu: where it's @
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did you answer your own ? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: @.@
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye yaku
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eos Amaterasu: bye yak
    Calvino Rabeni: PlayAsBeing can be a good place to learn
    Eos Amaterasu: where it's at or seems to be @ keeps slipping and sliding, especially in the 90 secs
    Calvino Rabeni: What do you learn ?
    Bruce Mowbray: The stallions roam unbridled.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: the stallions have great spirit
    Agatha Macbeth: Was he a Buddhist?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: Lord Buckley? A beat-era comedian.....
    Bruce Mowbray: As the Shambhala warriors put it, they are Wind-horses.
    Agatha Macbeth: Same thing
    Eos Amaterasu: The other day I met a dog on the path
    Calvino Rabeni: Your "self" is a stallion - though the zen tradition called it an Ox
    Agatha Macbeth: The Wizard of ox
    Bruce Mowbray: .. a dog on the parth...?
    Bruce Mowbray: path.
    Eos Amaterasu: He came bounding very energetically to me.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Agatha Macbeth likes parth better
    Eos Amaterasu: Jumping up and down
    Eos Amaterasu: I crouched down and felt his presence
    Eos Amaterasu: He ran off, but there were goose-bumps - I could feel his spirit in mine
    Eos Amaterasu: wind-dog :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: wow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: I like this story very much.
    Agatha Macbeth: Woof
    adoro Rhapsody: hound-dog ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Benjamin
    Agatha Macbeth: He ain't nuthin but a....
    adoro Rhapsody: hi ben
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Benjamin
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Ben
    Zon Quar: yawns...time for bed..nite all
    Bruce Mowbray: To feel the spirit of another being is wonderful.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zon
    Agatha Macbeth: Hit the hay Zon :)
    Benjamin Greycloak: Hi room!
    adoro Rhapsody: by zon
    Eos Amaterasu: that was also a moment of me feeling more than me being me
    Agatha Macbeth: Room?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ben.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah that brings back memories, of chat rooms
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Benjamin Greycloak: I call different locations rooms, like a chat room...
    Eos Amaterasu: Have you been here, to a PaB session, before, Ben?
    Benjamin Greycloak: yes
    Benjamin Greycloak: ding!......
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: indeed!
    Bruce Mowbray: he went swimming in the pool yesterday.
    Eos Amaterasu: ding an sich
    Benjamin Greycloak: was that yesterday?
    Bruce Mowbray: sat on the microphone, in fact.
    Agatha Macbeth: No, yesterday
    Benjamin Greycloak: haha
    Bruce Mowbray: maybe the day before...
    Agatha Macbeth: Before what?
    adoro Rhapsody: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: the day before yesterday.
    Benjamin Greycloak: I'm traveling...staying at a hostel in Indianapolis
    SophiaSharon Larnia: more than me being me, Eos :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Not he day after tomorrow then?
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: It's HOT over there today, Isn't it, Ben?
    Benjamin Greycloak: Yes, very much so. Rain has cooled things down a bit...
    Bruce Mowbray: Send it our way, please -- right across the border in Ohio.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in PA it didnt help much
    Benjamin Greycloak: right! I remember you saying that...
    Agatha Macbeth: Wet but still warm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ick yes
    Bruce Mowbray: wet wild and wonderful.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles and enjoys appearances :D
    Agatha Macbeth: It appears so shaz
    Bruce Mowbray: more thunder! more lightning!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay!
    Agatha Macbeth: Where's Noah?
    Benjamin Greycloak: heard a story on NPR about a study that indicates we'll have more frequent heat waves in the future...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh God
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm moving to Russia then
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and more intense winters, also.
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, if there are no more personal statements about PaB (the theme question) - do you feel complete? I will declare the theme closed :)

    Eliza couldn't attend the session but kindly provided a personal comment in her Guardian Contributions page, here.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha yes ty Calvino
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this was fun all! have to go :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
    Eos Amaterasu: me will disappear into the upcoming black hole (need to make supper on the other end)
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, thanks everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I have to go also... so sleepy from the long drive
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care Shaz, bfn :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh take care :)
    Eos Amaterasu: wb, Eliza!
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz :)
    --BELL--
    adoro Rhapsody: by
    Eos Amaterasu: bye, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: (came back from visiting new nephew-- thought about recent baby comments) :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Goo goo
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out during the pause
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye and thanks :) Nite
    Eliza Madrigal: (Big exit.. sorry :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hugs
    Agatha Macbeth hugs back
    Agatha Macbeth and leaves
    Agatha Macbeth: Byeee

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