2010.07.24 01:00 - The Way it Is

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     The Guardian for this meeting was PlayAsBeing. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Scathach Rhiadra: good morning Bertrum
    Bertrum Quan: Good morning, Scath.
    Bertrum Quan: How are you today?
    Scathach Rhiadra: fine thanks, and you?
    Bertrum Quan: Also, fine. Thanks.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning
    Scathach Rhiadra: good morning Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you both ?
    Bertrum Quan: Good morning Yakuzza.
    Scathach Rhiadra: fine thanks, and you?
    Bertrum Quan: Fine, thanks.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it's ok, nothing special still i have my thoughts on silence from my guardian session yesterday
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to bring and preserve a level in a discussion and how to deal with silence
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i often consider silence as disturbing and not meditative
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i grasp for an "constructive discussion" and destroy my being in the moment with "wanting a good session"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: rather tricky
    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Scathach Rhiadra: how did you find the theme session the other day?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was glad that a discussion came up
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the issue with me it that i am relatively new to all the ideas and don??t know what??s ,,the right way"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: does it even exist ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and piet spoke about starting in the end on malta
    Yakuzza Lethecus: these aspects of how to see and how to approach contemplation are facinating to me, but i always hope for other ppl doing the sharing and talking since my experiences aren't that well elaborated
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i know that you are into these things for a long time and you could possibly share a lot but how to moderate between experienced ppl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bertrum: how do you gain exposure to contmeplative idea??s for example i have no picture of you at all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do you practice for decades ?
    Bertrum Quan: Thank you for asking. I am a novice.
    Bertrum Quan: It is a struggle to clear one's head of false notions.
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you visit a retreat in real life bertrum ?
    Bertrum Quan: A PaB retreat?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no
    Yakuzza Lethecus: any
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, but in a very limited way.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do you have any specific orientation ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: scath: you told me that what you study is Dzogchen ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: your*

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes Yaku
    Scathach Rhiadra: though I don't know  'studying' is the correct term
    Yakuzza Lethecus: can you elaborate ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry, if i push you both a little this morning :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :))
    Scathach Rhiadra: the word Dzogchen is used for the true nature, Presence, teachings or a lineage (among other things)
    Bertrum Quan: I have explored a number of paths but the formal "teachings" did not connect with me.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the facinating aspect for me around here is that some ppl are really very advanced
    Yakuzza Lethecus: some studied for ages like eos
    Scathach Rhiadra: so you could be more practice oriented
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even with some of the bigger names but also don't seem to bought into that in a monolithic way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so there are some ppl here who are really able to compare between many spiritual traditions which is a level i simply admire but nothing i can provide for others in for example my session
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so how to have a proper serious discussion sometimes how to moderate into a sharing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my session is the friday sillysession :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which means
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ????????????????????????????????? ???
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Chokoreito Disco ???
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: hello everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and
    Yakuzza Lethecus: aflac
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi slave :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello slave, you have been here before I think?
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: yes i have

    Yakuzza Lethecus: so the preservation of seriousity while not totally losing the fun element is very important for me, but i often struggle with the fact that i am scared not to provide se serious level of moderation
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because the serious ppl run away and say, "wtf silly chitchat"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i fear that
    Scathach Rhiadra: :))
    Scathach Rhiadra: I find the idea of comparing different traditions or practices can be a bit misleading. It seems to imply that there is one which will be shown to be better than others....
    Bertrum Quan: I agree.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven't had that feeling, it seemed like picking when i heard pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wu wei out of taoism
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he likes japanese traditons
    Scathach Rhiadra: but in practice you can only practice what is for you
    Scathach Rhiadra: what speaks to you*
    Bertrum Quan: I think that is what it really boils down to. You can't fake it!
    Scathach Rhiadra: and that can change somewhat during your life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, we can only start at our selves and the coffeecup in front of us, it's perception and tactile impression and the feeling of the keys below our fingers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to start from the own experiences and becomming an awareness of the things around us
    Yakuzza Lethecus: gaining
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, and what others say or have said in the teachings can be a help if they point-out our own experience, but it is our own experience from our own practice
    Bertrum Quan: That's where the connection is made.
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Bertrum Quan: Have a great day, Scath and Yakuzza. I need to log off. Thank you for the conversation.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nice to see you around bertrum
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well
    Scathach Rhiadra: thank you Bertrum, have a good weekend
    Yakuzza Lethecus: btw. do you use voice sometimes ? :D
    Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes yes, only on my desktop though

    Yakuzza Lethecus: ur on the laptop or on the desktop right now ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: laptop:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i like to do my voice session and voice provides more depth to ther persons, but even then it's the same issue i mentioned
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the silence comes up and it feels kinda unpleasant when there isn't a serious discussion flowing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: anyway, nice weekend!
    Scathach Rhiadra: you have a great weekend too Yaku


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