2010.08.01 01:00 - What's going on "in here"?

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     The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Bertram Jacobus: hey cal ! good morning from europe ! ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Bert!
    Calvino Rabeni: How are you ..?
    Bertram Jacobus: ty, it??s okay ... again a bit difficult times , but ... complaining seems not to be the best reaction, right ? (will have to quit my job and hope to find something better ) ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Sounds like the job is wearing
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. very much sadly -
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, I've been there too
    Bertram Jacobus: so sad that people make life so hard sometimes - should we take it as our "bad karma" ? or is there a better perspective, view ?
    Calvino Rabeni: I think there is - how about you?
    Bertram Jacobus: i have no clue. therefore i??m asking - which view would it be ?
    Bertram Jacobus: and hi slave ! :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Every situation is a learning experience
    Bertram Jacobus: take a seat if you like
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: hi
    Calvino Rabeni: How are you Slave?
    Bertram Jacobus: sure cal. but that is not an alternative - i would understand that as addition - no ?
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: i woke up feeling good today
    Calvino Rabeni: Addition?
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: try to change my name
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: everybody is calling me slave
    Bertram Jacobus: yes karma + the insight of learning, not insight of chance to learn instead of karma
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmmm, that's the tempting thing to do
    Calvino Rabeni: I mean to shorten your long name
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe you'll have to make an alt and switch
    Bertram Jacobus: how would you like to be called then slavetotheuniverse, plz ?
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: Symptomoftheuniverse
    Calvino Rabeni: I can memorize that :)
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: you could wear a flip title saying that, too ...
    Calvino Rabeni: But being lazy I'd represent it as "Sym"
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: but how do you change your name?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, a float text like mine
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, unfortunately, I don't think it possible to change the avatar name
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: hmmm
    Calvino Rabeni: SL is tough, you get stuck with it
    Bertram Jacobus: "cal me cal" ? ;o)
    Bertram Jacobus: hy susan
    Susan Aloix: Hi Bertram :)
    Bertram Jacobus: or cal me call ? ;o)
    Susan Aloix: Hey Cal :)
    Bertram Jacobus: the others seem to be away ... hm
    Calvino Rabeni: ! Bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: cal since a few seconds, sou since one or two minutes ... ;o)
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: yeah i checked it it is not possible to chaneg my name

    Susan Aloix: hey Grey :)
    Bertram Jacobus: so sou may hear many names with this avatar ... ;-)
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: hi sus
    Susan Aloix: Do you like to be called Slave or Grey?
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: umhh doesnt matter
    Susan Aloix: kk
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: everybody will call me what they like anywways
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: i like the name just not that people call me slave
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: but its ok
    Susan Aloix: ahh nods.....yeah its a lovely name and i understand
    Slavetotheuniverse Greybeard: hi yak
    Susan Aloix: Hi Yaku :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and i like your avatar susan - very beautyful - well done i find ! ... :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yaku-San :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and hy yaku :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder where our lion and garden are today :(
    Susan Aloix: Oh thanks Bertram. :)
    Bertram Jacobus: TY susan (!) ;-)
    Susan Aloix: Never noticed the lion
    Bertram Jacobus: and hi darren :-)
    Susan Aloix: Hello Darren :))
    Darren Islar: hi everyone :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi darren
    Bertram Jacobus: on sunday mornings he was here normally ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Darren :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: moon fargis is the guardian for this slot, he got a facinating creative lion avatar and also wears the garden
    Susan Aloix: ohhh kk
    Darren Islar: there is a picture at my plot
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, this is usually Moon's session - I am the "sub"
    Susan Aloix: This feels so spacious in here right now.
    Calvino Rabeni: Moon is a prolific SL designer, very talented
    Calvino Rabeni: and generous with his creations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he runs ,,hikari"
    Susan Aloix: (thinks i just saw a flying dolphin in the corner of my screen lol)
    Susan Aloix: oh cool Cal.
    Darren Islar: more like a whale :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes - there are some on sl susan ... ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which is a great meditative and contemplativly designed sim
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Susan Aloix: do you have a LM for it Yaku?
    Calvino Rabeni: Many of them have a Japanese aesthetic
    Susan Aloix: Nice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: moment, fighting against im??s :)
    Susan Aloix: lol kk
    Calvino Rabeni: :) that sounded funny somehow
    Susan Aloix: it did lol
    Susan Aloix: ty Yaku :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The break is coming up - would anyone like to do a longer meditation, maybe 10 minutes?
    Susan Aloix: i'm up for it......:)
    Bertram Jacobus: would be ok to me - but a friend will appear in this time here may be - new to this place (np i think) ... ;-)
    Darren Islar: fine with me
    Calvino Rabeni: If so, let's just sit until 1:40 :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll watch for visitors :)
    Susan Aloix: kk

    Miralee Munro: Hello everyone
    Darren Islar: hi Miralee
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey miralee
    Calvino Rabeni: We just started a 10 minute meditation - feel free to join us please :)
    Calvino Rabeni: ...
    Bertram Jacobus: (yes) ...
    Susan Aloix: ...
    Calvino Rabeni: slowly ... come back :)
    Calvino Rabeni: when ready ... :)
    Miralee Munro smiles
    Bertram Jacobus feels happy to be here (again), with you people ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus smiles too
    Calvino Rabeni: hehehe so does Calvino Rabeni
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting : to "be together" in this way with people from all over the world ...
    Bertram Jacobus: it??s definitely different to "being alone" (!) ...
    Calvino Rabeni: would anyone like to share, about their experience during the sit?
    Susan Aloix: yes so nice....all over the world.....
    Calvino Rabeni: I felt a togetherness this time too, Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: i can admit - sry - did already this morning some meditation and so ... can??t do too much ... so i did other things, but felt - as said before "together with you" ...
    Miralee Munro smiles
    Darren Islar: in the beginning I felt pretty aware
    Darren Islar: but when getting deeper into my body.....
    Susan Aloix: I found it interesting to see what thoughts arose while meditating in this group - memory is so interesting
    Darren Islar: I always encounter difficult feelings........
    Darren Islar: hard to stay aware then :)
    Miralee Munro: Difficult, Darren?

    Bertram Jacobus: and very nice and interesting that you felt that too cal (!) - i often have the impression, that i really can feel people i am together in this way, via the net , that there IS a very intense and direct link -
    Darren Islar: I have a trauma, which feelings are always there; if I get deeper into my body, I start to see them more clearly
    Miralee Munro: They say that our experiences are 'captured' in our muscles
    Bertram Jacobus: but then you are aware darren ...
    Darren Islar: yes
    Miralee Munro: Hi Arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning arch
    Darren Islar: wb Arch :)
    Bertram Jacobus: wb arch
    Susan Aloix: Hey Arch :)
    Darren Islar: yest Bert, true
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, all :)
    Miralee Munro: Is it something you can 'deal' with Darren?
    Miralee Munro: Or something you prefer to avoid?
    Darren Islar: let's say I created an environment to learn to deal with it
    Darren Islar: but it is nice to be 'in' a meditation, instead of guiding one :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :) darren true
    Darren Islar: that gives me the chance to go deeper
    Darren Islar: and those feelings don't frighten me that much any more
    Darren Islar: I know they are there
    Miralee Munro: I'm rather intrigued Darren ... but of course it's potentially far more distressing for you to talk about than for me
    Miralee Munro: I don't know how I would feel knowing that inside me are such incredibly powerful feelings
    Miralee Munro: or memories
    Darren Islar: well, in a way I know all my life, but being really aware of it is different
    Darren Islar: but slowly with meditation, and help from friends, the buddhist method, I start to see them more clearly
    Darren Islar: so I don't need to run away from them anymore
    Miralee Munro nods
    Darren Islar: but it is funny how the body and mind have there own ways of distracting themselves
    Miralee Munro: It's quite an unknown territory in a lot of ways ... our minds and our bodies ...
    Darren Islar: because I feel that my awareness is drawn away from it
    Miralee Munro: I've always been fascinated by the concept, particularly when I was younger ... that I didn't know who I was.
    Darren Islar: starting to feel some kind of numbness for instance
    Archmage Atlantis: I have not been here to know the entire conversation, but in my experience the mind does what it can to protect itself.....
    Miralee Munro nods
    Darren Islar: yes Arch
    Darren Islar: or feeling how my mind is 'drifting' away
    Miralee Munro: Yes ... it's fascinating how some people have highly attuned survival instincts ... others have distinctly self-destructive behaviours.
    Bertram Jacobus: and miralle : nowadays you know who you are ? how would you call or describe it ?
    Miralee Munro: Mmmmm ...
    Bertram Jacobus: miralee* sry ...
    Darren Islar: well in reality, they 'were' all survival instincts
    Miralee Munro: still not sure about that Bertram
    Susan Aloix: even when self destructive - its original intent was as arch just said ...to self protect
    Miralee Munro: I don't always act in 'my' best interests
    Calvino Rabeni: A little forethoght on one's own behalf can be a good thing - make life sweeter - lived intentionally
    Miralee Munro: my desires lead me from where I would ideally like to be.
    Miralee Munro: Yes Susuan ...
    Miralee Munro: Susan
    Calvino Rabeni: An original intent can be positive - not to be judged by results
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe seeking for something golden
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Darren Islar: In a way there seems to be something between desires and the ideal picture
    Darren Islar: or the ideal picture needs adjustment
    Darren Islar: what is nice about meditation is that you start where you are
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Darren Islar: not where you want to be
    Miralee Munro nods ... Yes, that's true.
    Darren Islar: in meditation that is of no interest at all

    Archmage Atlantis: Between desire and paradise is where many dwell, perhaps all
    Darren Islar: but I noticed that when I guide meditations, I keep my body and mind on another level
    Darren Islar: making me able to be more aware about my surroundings
    Darren Islar: without getting in 'too deep' myself
    Darren Islar: and the strange thing about it, is that the body is doing that of its own
    Miralee Munro: Please excuse me for a moment ... brb
    Bertram Jacobus: hey qt ! ... :-)
    Qt Core: a quite late... hi all
    Bertram Jacobus: and sure miralee ... :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, QT
    Susan Aloix: Hey QT :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Darren Islar: hi QT :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I've noticed in mediation, a kind of smooth continuum between suffering and blissful states
    Darren Islar: like the body knows the difference between different circomstances
    Calvino Rabeni: @darren, and another thing I've noticed - the body continuing to meditate after "I" finish with the sit and start doing somethign else
    Darren Islar: @ cal, yes and yes
    Darren Islar: you can only get in touche with difficult feelings if there is also trust, which is a pretty blissful feeling
    Archmage Atlantis: Even a therapist is advised to have a therapist of their own, when one is responsible for others, one leaves out the time for oneself.....and that is needed
    Darren Islar: I agree arch
    Miralee Munro: Back
    Darren Islar: and the grounding feeling is giving a feeling of foundation on which other things can dwell
    Miralee Munro: reading up
    Bertram Jacobus: wb miralee :-9
    Calvino Rabeni: True Arch
    Miralee Munro: Do you meditate regularly here?
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a mini-meditaiton every 15 minutes
    Bertram Jacobus: only the short 90 second periods every 15 minutes miralee normally
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: usually we don't sit for longer
    Susan Aloix: Carers, parents, therapist - people in any position of caring for others......needs someone who they can confide in...a therapist can be that person.
    Miralee Munro: Doh!
    Calvino Rabeni: but it seems like a nice thing to arrange every now an then
    Darren Islar: I have a meditation place
    Miralee Munro: I was going to ask before, "What are the 10 minute breaks for?"
    Bertram Jacobus: but when somebody makes such a suggestion - i think, often that would be appreciated ... :-9
    Darren Islar: if you are interested I can give you a notecard
    Miralee Munro: I'd love to Darren
    Miralee Munro: when I woke up this morning
    Miralee Munro: I said to myself:
    Miralee Munro: "You are going to stretch for ten minutes and then meditate for 20
    Miralee Munro: and got up and came straight into SL
    Calvino Rabeni: @mirallee, no the 10-minute meditation is not a regular event
    Miralee Munro: I have ABSOLUTELY no will power at all!
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Miralee
    Qt Core: you aren't alone Miralee ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe that is a sign of enlightenment :)
    Miralee Munro: If I determine at the beginning of the day
    Susan Aloix: yeah no will power here lol
    Miralee Munro: I will fast today
    Miralee Munro: I don't have a hope of doing it!
    Miralee Munro: It's only if I get to 3 or 4 o'clock and haven't eaten that I have any chance of doing it.
    Miralee Munro: Thank you Darren.
    Darren Islar: yw
    Archmage Atlantis: This is a good place to come, the meditation breaks are built in *g*
    Darren Islar: the name you find is my alt
    Miralee Munro: Okay ...
    Miralee Munro: Thank you Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    Miralee Munro: Life is endlessly fascinating, isn't it?
    Calvino Rabeni: I go along with that :)

    Archmage Atlantis: If one is lucky enough to become aware of that aspect of life, then yes......awareness requires, for me, a standing outside of the tasks, circumstances and choices of the momemt.......For me that is meditation, Play as Being provides a technique to build that aspect into one's life, in my opinion.
    Bertram Jacobus: but i think, the 15 minutes breaks are to examine life, being, self ... and such ... :-) - or simply : to meditate
    Miralee Munro: I find my biggest anxiety in life is feeling that I don't have enough time ...
    Miralee Munro: and there are extended periods of time
    Miralee Munro: when I just cannot focus on anything other than my panic at not having enough time.
    Susan Aloix: Yeah time is either a friend or a curse LOL
    Miralee Munro: I yearn for the time when I don't have to work and can relax.
    Bertram Jacobus: but awareness can also occure step by step while doing tasks, choices and being or even feeling in circumstances i think ... only at the beginning, so it it taught, it??s more easy to be more free from all that to train ...
    Miralee Munro: Although, it can sometimes be a bit of a buzz to 'juggle' successfully.
    Darren Islar: :)
    Miralee Munro: When I feel 'connected' ... it's wonderful
    Miralee Munro: Pure happiness
    Miralee Munro: I don't get rattled
    Darren Islar: sometimes we seem to get 'caught up' in time
    Miralee Munro: Did you all feel, especially when we were at school
    Miralee Munro: and you were being taught something
    Miralee Munro: sheer panic when everyone else seemed to 'get it'
    Miralee Munro: and you were still struggling to understand what the hell they were talking about?
    Miralee Munro: (or is that just me?) lol
    Qt Core: it happened to me , and with my favorite topic too!
    Qt Core: got so angry
    Miralee Munro: I would get upset
    Darren Islar: I know what you mean
    Miralee Munro: cry
    Miralee Munro: because I just didn't understand
    Miralee Munro: and they all seemed ready to go on to the next thing
    Darren Islar: but found out that people themselves often don't know what they are talking about :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it is very safe to say - there aren't any "it is just me!" experiences in life - of those basic experiences
    Qt Core: i needed several day and... almost throwing away the book to understand the lesson ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Everyone has lots of company with those experiences
    Darren Islar: I think that is save to say, yes
    Miralee Munro: I think teachers today might be geared more towards understanding each person's different ways of understanding or learning
    Calvino Rabeni: but I guess, it's usually "secret"
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, there's getting to be more appreciation for diversity of human experience
    Archmage Atlantis: The problem is, most find ways to cover their confusion, rather than ask
    Miralee Munro nods
    Darren Islar: we learn to disgard its real meaning
    Archmage Atlantis: Unfortunately for me, I was the nerdy kid who always asked :).......there are many ways to feel separate and distant
    Qt Core: as if that is a bad thing, arch ;-)
    Miralee Munro: I have been told that I have a ferocious curiosity, so yes ... I always asked as well.
    Susan Aloix: :) arch
    Miralee Munro: Although, I must say, I can't say that I enjoyed school all that much
    Miralee Munro: I felt they didn't teach me anything I was interested in knowing.
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
    Miralee Munro: ALTHOUGH ... as an adult, I'm really interested in science ...
    Calvino Rabeni: I wonder what a survey would say - how many people felt they enjoyed school ?
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree with Cal's comment on there being more appreciation for the diversity of experience.
    Miralee Munro nods
    Miralee Munro: Thank god!
    Calvino Rabeni: I think God would approve, if I were to guess :)
    Miralee Munro smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Appreciating diversity that is :)
    Susan Aloix: Loved some of school....but mostly it was a nightmare lol
    Miralee Munro: May I share with you, my very best school report?
    Miralee Munro: (which I remember word for word centuries later)
    Darren Islar: 'nightmare lol' :))
    Archmage Atlantis: pls do
    Miralee Munro: "Cheryl's joyful nature has united Form 3 as a class."
    Susan Aloix: Its made me a more caring teacher.......i just can't put a student through what i went through lol
    Miralee Munro: Well done Susan ...
    Susan Aloix: :) nods darren
    Qt Core: i loved most of the schools i went to
    Susan Aloix: :0 ) Miralee ty
    Darren Islar: yes, negative experiences can be beneficial to yourself and others in a later stage of life

    Susan Aloix: indeed darren...
    Calvino Rabeni: @Darren, I agree they can become the source or fertilizer for positive things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi selene
    Darren Islar: there is this meditation of a lotus......
    Archmage Atlantis: hello selene
    Darren Islar: growing from the dirt....
    Susan Aloix: Hi Selene
    Bertram Jacobus: hello selene
    Calvino Rabeni: Welcome back to PaB, Selene
    Darren Islar: showing its flower in full day light.......
    Selene Northman: hi Yakuzza and Archmage, hi Bertram ,ty Cal
    Selene Northman: hello Darren
    Selene Northman: :)
    Qt Core: need to go (if i want to have something to eat for launch)
    Darren Islar: it is a nice meditation to let it grow from your abdomen
    Qt Core: lunch
    Darren Islar: where we normally keep our dirt
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care qt
    Darren Islar: let it grow
    Susan Aloix: bye QT
    Bertram Jacobus: bye qt - enjoy ! :-)
    Qt Core: bye all
    Selene Northman: tc QT
    Miralee Munro: What a lovely image Darren.
    Darren Islar: and let it flower in your heart
    Darren Islar: bye QT, hi Selene :)
    Selene Northman: :)
    Miralee Munro: That is really fascinating Darren ....
    Miralee Munro: Can you tell us more about that?
    Darren Islar: it is a nice way to become aware of those different qualities
    Archmage Atlantis: I too need to begin morning chores........ty all.. later
    Miralee Munro: Okay Arch ...
    Darren Islar: no, you need to do it, experience it
    Selene Northman: tc Archmage
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that was too fast :)
    Darren Islar: bye Arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye arch for the log :)
    Bertram Jacobus: same here yaku :o) (arch, bye) :o)
    Miralee Munro: So the meditation just focuses on the abdomen?
    Darren Islar: dirt as firtalizer
    Miralee Munro nods
    Miralee Munro: I am really intersted in that
    Miralee Munro: because as a child
    Miralee Munro: I was a skinny little thing
    Miralee Munro: tiny little wrists and ankles and body
    Miralee Munro: YET
    Miralee Munro: I had this big pot belly
    Miralee Munro: Have always had it
    Miralee Munro: and I've always thought of it as being some kind of 'protection'
    Miralee Munro: (for some reason)
    Miralee Munro: nothing has shifted it
    Darren Islar: could well be
    Miralee Munro: so I'm really interested in what you have suggested.
    Calvino Rabeni: There is a way in which our experiences get "digested" slowly to become part of us - awareness can help this process - and deepen learnng
    Darren Islar: but to become aware of that needs more then this meditation
    Miralee Munro: But that idea 'speaks to me'
    Selene Northman: especially when you are moving from an unscious hell to a conscious hell
    Darren Islar: yes, I understand
    Calvino Rabeni: the abdomen actually has a lot of intelligence in it
    Selene Northman: unconscious lol
    Calvino Rabeni: which gives meanings back to the conscious mind, as feelings
    Miralee Munro: I must have the equal of an 'egghead' then
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: or the "gut sense" things
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: but often ignored in one way or another
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, so relaxing and being aware can help the process
    Miralee Munro: Fascinating idea ...
    Calvino Rabeni: not ignoring
    Calvino Rabeni: just tuning in..
    Calvino Rabeni: even if the "meaning" is not clear to the conscious mind
    Calvino Rabeni: but it has its own "language"
    Darren Islar: right
    Miralee Munro: I must say ... a lot of aspects of my life have been neglected since I discovered SL ... it's far too easy to stay in here and be 'entertained' or stimulated than to focus on real life things.
    Darren Islar: Liza can do the meditation at the Shift if there is interest
    Selene Northman: as long as you de-automate the automating
    Miralee Munro: I'm on Australian time, Darren
    Miralee Munro: but I am certainly VERY interested in that, yes.
    Susan Aloix: Miralee - waves aussie here too :)
    Miralee Munro: Hiya Sue!
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Miralee Munro waves back
    Susan Aloix: hey
    Miralee Munro: W.A.
    Darren Islar: Well, can do it about this time
    Susan Aloix: NSW
    Calvino Rabeni: Australia and Europe aren't too far apart in time zones?
    Miralee Munro: opposite
    Miralee Munro: we are night and they are day
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 6-7 hrs
    Miralee Munro nods
    Calvino Rabeni: right that's not bad
    Miralee Munro: this is an excellent time for me anyway
    Susan Aloix: 8pm ish here right now
    Miralee Munro: 6pm here
    Miralee Munro: sunday night
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok so it??s 8 hrs
    Calvino Rabeni: Here it is SLT time :)
    Miralee Munro: SL is based in San Francisco, isn't it?
    Darren Islar: 11 am here
    Susan Aloix: lol cal
    Calvino Rabeni: 2:42 Sunday morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 11:42
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, linden labs is in SF
    Selene Northman: 11:42
    Darren Islar: 11:42 sundaymorning
    Miralee Munro: Oh great
    Miralee Munro: I will be in San Francisco in nine days time.
    Susan Aloix: ohh thats helpful to know
    Susan Aloix: lol you can visit the lindens Mira
    Miralee Munro: lol
    Darren Islar: :)
    Miralee Munro: That's what I was thinking
    Susan Aloix: lol
    Darren Islar: maybe Liza need to start a group in the morning
    Miralee Munro: I will try and fit in Darren ...
    Darren Islar: evening/night.......getting confused here
    Miralee Munro: if I can.
    Miralee Munro: Where is Liza based?

    Darren Islar: Virtual Holland
    Darren Islar: 'we' are Dutch :)
    Miralee Munro: So what time is it for you now Darren?
    Darren Islar: 11:49 am
    Miralee Munro: Mmmmm ... a bit too late then.
    Miralee Munro: It would depend on what day as well.
    Miralee Munro: I could do mornings
    Miralee Munro: would be a good way to start the day
    Darren Islar: well, maybe you should visit the place and talk to Liza about it
    Darren Islar: see what we can come up with
    Darren Islar: hard to do that here :)
    Miralee Munro: Okay ...
    Miralee Munro: I'll just keep coming until we connect.
    Darren Islar: okay :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, i??ll take a break - ty all for the talk very much ! may all beings be happy please ! enjoy and look forward to see you again *wave* ...
    Miralee Munro: Well, lovely people .... my community are calling
    Miralee Munro: Please
    Miralee Munro: if you ever feel like it
    Miralee Munro: I would love you to come and visit Perfect Paradise
    Susan Aloix: Take care Mira
    Darren Islar: bye Bert, Miralee
    Miralee Munro: it's a community dedicated to creating a new kind of society
    Susan Aloix: Bye Bert :)
    Miralee Munro: and I think we could enjoy 'communion' with one another
    Darren Islar: I know Perfect Paradise
    Selene Northman: tc Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: i??ll see you also there i guess miralee :-)
    Miralee Munro: Yes Bertram ...
    Miralee Munro: XXXXX
    Miralee Munro: Would anyone like a landmark to make it easier to visit?
    Susan Aloix: sure throw me one plz Mira
    Darren Islar: I already have several
    Selene Northman: would love to Mira
    Susan Aloix: ty :)
    Selene Northman: ty :)
    Darren Islar: oh, you are that Miralee :))
    Darren Islar: I already got those :)
    Darren Islar: I recognize your profile photo
    Darren Islar: you already met Liza :)
    Miralee Munro: Oh ...
    Miralee Munro: that's good then
    Miralee Munro: I'm sorry
    Miralee Munro: I have to dash off
    Darren Islar: bye Mira
    Miralee Munro: I have to catch up with someone who has to log off in ten minutes
    Miralee Munro: I've really enjoyed my time here
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks for stopping by, Miralee :)
    Miralee Munro: hope I didn't talk too much.
    Miralee Munro: XXXXXX
    Miralee Munro: Au revoir!
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye for now :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care
    Darren Islar: wrong button :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Darren Islar: loads of wrong buttons on my screen :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I'll have to leave soon... but would anyone be interested in another 10-minute meditation ?
    Selene Northman: Yes, I am interested
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, how about we sit, ending after the next PaB bell - about 11 minutes?
    Susan Aloix: kk
    Aztlan Foss: are in in the silence part?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Az ...yes
    Selene Northman: Greetings, Aztlan, we are just meditating ;
    Selene Northman: :)
    Darren Islar: hi Aztlan
    Susan Aloix: :) hi Az
    Aztlan Foss: hi Selene, yakuzza, Calivno, Susan, Darren
    Aztlan Foss: so what are you guys meditating about?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aztlan
    Selene Northman: we try to overcome the shallow deeps of egocentrism
    Darren Islar: are we? :))
    Aztlan Foss: hmmm that sounds hard
    Selene Northman: oh, aren??t we?
    Selene Northman chuckles
    Calvino Rabeni: ...
    Calvino Rabeni: OK thanks ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not sure, i am pretty deep sunk into my ego right now
    Darren Islar: :)
    Aztlan Foss: so why would you want to overcome that stuff?
    Selene Northman: just breathe Yakuzza ... you will become samadhi, won??t you? ;)
    Darren Islar: to give us more freedom
    Selene Northman: well its not that easy to become a liberated yogi
    Calvino Rabeni: Not done in a weekend :)
    Selene Northman: takes a while, Cal :)
    Darren Islar: no, so it starts with some awareness, creating some space which can give you alternative perspectives and choices
    Aztlan Foss: oh so you can better figure out what you want to do with your life?
    Darren Islar: more like what you want to do in this moment
    Selene Northman: well it might help you to identify what your real destination is without getting reborn several times
    Darren Islar: goals in life thend to give you less choices
    Darren Islar: tend
    Calvino Rabeni: Ask 100 people, probably get 10+ answers
    Calvino Rabeni: I mean sorry, 100+ :)
    Aztlan Foss: how do we know this is what we're supposed to be doing?
    Darren Islar: I guess we don't
    Selene Northman: well but the question is why are we getting the same answers. Is it because the people are perceiving themselves rather as victims?
    Aztlan Foss: what answers?
    Aztlan Foss: sorry I just got here so I'm WAY behind on the conversation
    Calvino Rabeni: The conversation just re-started on this topic
    Calvino Rabeni: so you're right on time, Aztlan :)
    Selene Northman: no worries... you are not behind the conversation
    Selene Northman: :)
    Darren Islar: but we are here already 2,5 hours
    Calvino Rabeni: However, it's time I go = thanks everyone, see you later :)
    Darren Islar: so I guess it is time for me to go :)
    Aztlan Foss: bye Calvino
    Aztlan Foss: bye Darren
    Selene Northman: tc Cal and Darren :)
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Darren Islar: bye everyone :)
    Susan Aloix: bye darren :)
    Susan Aloix: See you cal :)
    Aztlan Foss: so what is it you guys are doing when you say you meditate?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sometimes even really meditating :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but often multitasking, i admit that :)
    Selene Northman: actually I am chanting a mantra whilst breathing in and out
    Susan Aloix: For me Az...i focus on my breath - the movement of air in and out of my body....thats the place i come back to during the sitting
    Aztlan Foss: why'd you start the whole meditation thing Susan?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but not om mani padme hum ? :)
    Susan Aloix: Well......at first....umm years ago......i just thought it was cool to do anything eastern :) ...and it still is cool to me....there are clearly more serious reasons to do it lol
    Selene Northman: hi chaitanya :)

    chaitanya Crazyboi: hi
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey chaitanya :)
    Aztlan Foss: hi caltanya
    Susan Aloix: Chanting can be really powerful Selene
    Selene Northman agrees
    Susan Aloix: It gets me in touch with a place thats like *between thoughts and sensations*....and that place opens up.....do you meditate Az?
    Aztlan Foss: no I don't really know what meditation is
    Aztlan Foss: I tried once, reading a blog that told me what to do, like the breathing and such
    Aztlan Foss: so I tried it and nothing happened
    Susan Aloix: Well....you can start it up again it you'd like...and i'd suggest starting with only doing a 5 mins sit.....
    Aztlan Foss: that's really why I'm asking, I don't really have a sense of what it is I'm really supposed to be doing
    Susan Aloix: watching your breath....and on the inhale saying *in* exhale saying *out*....or the word *spaciousness*...works for me
    Aztlan Foss: I can do the breathing but I don't think that's really what meditating is
    Susan Aloix: start with five mins day 1...and add one min each day until you get to 25 mins
    Aztlan Foss: it's like when I was a little kid an instructor would say "concentrate!" and I'd just stare at questions harder
    Aztlan Foss: but nothing really happened
    Aztlan Foss: I didn't know what concentration really was, but now I'm fairly good at concentrating when i need to :-)
    Susan Aloix: if you focus on the movement of air through your nostrils...the movement of chest ..........and saying the words......thats the beginning...its like training the mind .......if you join a gym ,....you can't see the effects of lifting weights immediately.........you just keep doing it regardless
    Susan Aloix: try it now if you'd like....take 5 breaths and feel the air travel in and out of your nostrils......
    Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks silently out for lunch, i enjoyed reading todays session
    Susan Aloix: notice the temp of the air....the volume...notice how it move through your nostrils
    Susan Aloix: enjoy Yaku :) tc


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