2010.08.06 07:00 - Enoughness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.
    We are gently gliding from the previous Time session. Some of us are being in a forest retreat in RL Nova Scotia, talking and laughing over their laptops (Eliza, Pema, Corvuscorva, Wol and Maxine). Eos, who is the organizer of the retreat joins us a bit later. Eliza's dancing with the fire was performed only in SL though (as far as I know).
    Zen Arado: thanks
    Eden Haiku: Darren, can I claim the next session?
    Bruce Mowbray: all.
    Eliza Madrigal: Aidan is also 'little candle' :)
    Pema Pera: thank you Darren, for taking care of this session!
    Fefonz Quan: most heaven looker won't say that Darren
    Darren Islar: yes Eden
    Eden Haiku: THanks :)
    Fefonz Quan: (Bruce, sorry)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much Eden, appreciate that :) And thanks Darren too, yes!
    Bruce Mowbray: I might have misspelled it -- in Poe's "The Raven: "the distant Aiden..."
    Eliza Madrigal: Aidenn
    Eliza Madrigal: I think
    Bruce Mowbray: ok, thanks.
    Eliza Madrigal: As Eden
    Bruce Mowbray: but perhaps what these traditions call "heaven" is the "enoughness" that we're referring to here -- available here and now.
    Eliza Madrigal: Amen :)
    Bruce Mowbray: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you" -- starts to make sense. . .
    Eden Haiku: We have never been expelled of the garden...
    Fefonz Quan: \i think the opposite - enoughness is anti-heaven
    Ewan Bonham: Bruce, are you saying satisfaction?
    Ewan Bonham: Fulfillment?
    Pema Pera: ((in RL Wol and Corvi are distracting our two dedicated cooks, by showing all you avatars to them :-))
    Bruce Mowbray: NO! -- I am definitely NOT saying satisfaction.
    Eliza Madrigal: you mean "This is it" Fef?
    Fefonz Quan: the desire to reach heaven prevents you from eanoughness here, now
    Bruce Mowbray: nor am I suggesting "fune."
    Bruce Mowbray: fun.
    Pema Pera: yes, Bruce and Eden!
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't see tension between the two
    Pema Pera: That's why it's so hard to get back into the garden
    Bruce Mowbray: (not 'fune' either) ;-)
    Pema Pera: because we never really left . . . .
    Riddle Sideways: so sorry, but must be elsewhere.
    Darren Islar: bye all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Riddle :)
    Pema Pera smiles at Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Darren, Bleu :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye riddle
    Bleu Oleander: gtg .... bye all
    Bleu Oleander: take care:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone whos leaving
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Riddle, Darren, Bleu!
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Eden Haiku: That was a litlle dance for the Arcadian cooks!
    Fefonz Quan: by Bleu, Darren
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen
    Eden Haiku: Bye!
    Pema Pera: bye all who are leaving!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: dance again Eden!
    Pema Pera: The arcadian cooks are bowing in gratitude!
    Wol Euler: do it again, I was showing them the world map
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day to various avis who are leaving.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at everyone who is leaving :) waves :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Eos.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eos
    Maxine Walden: hi, Eos!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
    Fefonz Quan: great dance Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Why thank you fef :)
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi all!
    Fefonz Quan: brb
    Eden Haiku: Good morning Eos:)
    Paradise Tennant: good morning eos :)
    Eden Haiku: Our friends seem quite in heaven in the arcadian forest !
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Please be careful, Eliza -- You might set fire to the forest.
    Pema Pera: too humid
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thank you, Eliza!
    Pema Pera: but it IS getting more and more steamy
    Eliza Madrigal: :) YW
    Maxine Walden: :) Pema
    Fefonz Quan: back
    Eliza Madrigal: wb Fef :)
    Fefonz Quan: well at least i can share the humiditiy with you here
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Maxine Walden: :) fef
    Ewan Bonham: We have a little humidity in Fla as well
    Fefonz Quan: it's over 35 C adn steamy
    Maxine Walden: wow, fef, that is hot
    Bruce Mowbray: How is "enoughness" and seeing everything as arising in this moment an "adaptive fitness" in envolutionary thinking?
    Fefonz Quan: well, it's like going to a sauna, but for free :)
    Eden Haiku: Where do you live Fefonz?
    Bruce Mowbray: evolutionary.
    Wol Euler: ((cooks are back im the kitchen, we can concentrate again :))
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: can you say that again differently , Bruce?
    Fefonz Quan: on the shore of the mediterenian
    Bruce Mowbray: Does enoughness enhance our capacity for survival? -- assuming we agree that survival is something we do?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: well, it may prevent suicide?
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and increase now attention?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Ewan Bonham: I am a bit unclear about what you mean by 'enoughness'
    Fefonz Quan: it may prevent it if we manage to really feel it, believe in it
    Pema Pera: in a way I think so, Bruce; leaving out what is not needed makes an organism more fit, I think
    Bruce Mowbray: We were using the term "enoughness" earlier -- as a possible synonym for "everything rising in this moment" -- That's what I mean.
    Ewan Bonham: I see
    Fefonz Quan: i thought a ,little more than that Bruce - it's also saying that everything that arise is enough,
    Ewan Bonham: Seeking nothing more in this moment?
    Eden Haiku: I understand "enoughness' as contentment. Feeling reverent and appreciative for all that arises, whatever arises. Equanimity?
    Fefonz Quan nods to Ewan
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- yes - everything that arises (including a 'sense' of past and future) is "enough."
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that was my sense, yes.
    Fefonz Quan: Equanimity - but with a spice of appreciation
    Wol Euler: and that we could be satisfied with that, appreciate it
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: with our without my enjoyment, I could watch and be present.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, Fef
    Bruce Mowbray: and be joyous with our "enoughness."
    Pema Pera: nice, Bruce! I see now what you meant, about enoughness -- in its arising as such
    Eden Haiku: Ever tried equanimity with a toothache anyone? :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Equanimity with sciatica
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: for me, appreciation is not necessarily joy or even contentment
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but "seeing"
    Fefonz Quan: I tried it yesterday with sea sick in a sail - didn't work though...
    Eden Haiku: That's a good one!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: deeply.
    Bruce Mowbray: It's not about pain or pleasure... Joy is something else altogether.
    Eos Amaterasu listens to Bruce...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire listens...in what way?
    Eden Haiku: tell us more Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm.... The Four Immeasurables -- not about "having"...
    Bruce Mowbray: Immeasureables.
    Bruce Mowbray: but about Being.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what are they?
    Bruce Mowbray: being the Joy --- Not having a lot of stuff that's supposed to make you happy - pleased.
    Fefonz Quan: loving-kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy and equanimity
    Eliza Madrigal: being the joy... nice...
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Fef.
    Fefonz Quan: (to Corvi)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ty
    Bruce Mowbray: Being Loving-Kindness (metta) doesn't mean that everyone Loves us!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-(
    Eliza Madrigal: they just think they dont Bruce
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes, that's much closer than simply "joy" to my concept of appreciation
    Bruce Mowbray: Being Joy doesn't mean that everything is just swell.
    Fefonz Quan: :-)(
    Eos Amaterasu: :-( :-(
    Wol Euler wonders how far this will go
    Bruce Mowbray: Abiding in equanimity -- doesn't mean that you are not also seasick.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheheh
    Fefonz Quan: just to here Wol
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Wol Euler: ha!
    Eos Amaterasu: stomach is empty...d
    Corvuscorva Nightfire "appreciates" her seasickness.
    Bruce Mowbray: We are finding a distinction between Having and Being ---- and the toothache helps us see that.
    Wol Euler: some problems solve themselves, Eos, espeially on retreat
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: noting it's being, and finding it sufficient, trying very hard not to hope that it ends quickly.
    Eden Haiku: A seasick sailor::::::Equaniminous in pain:::::Is joy embodied
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and she can go back to appreciating something easier.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite :))
    Pema Pera: seasick with a toothache . . . .
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi aph
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Aph!
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i join Corvi, the point is in stopping the 'trying'
    Wol Euler: hello aphrodite
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: hi Aphrodite!
    Fefonz Quan: to get out of here/now, even in the slightest sense
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello my friends
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: not easy when it's "hard"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Eos what was your quote
    Ewan Bonham: Hi aph
    Eden Haiku: Hope the cooks are back to their cookingware and cooking some good oatmeal :))
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: from bruce lee?
    Eos Amaterasu: "in a stress situation, you don't rise to your potential, you fall to your level of practice"
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ty
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eden Haiku: Good morning Ahrodite!
    Pema Pera: they are, Eden!
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh Eden, yes... waking to slowly cooked oats with choices of honey and almond milk and blueberries.... mmm
    Wol Euler: mmmmmmmmm
    Aphrodite Macbain: Morning den
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: someone once told me that he practiced loving people who were easy to love
    Wol Euler: that's cheating.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so that he could share that compassion with those less easy when they arose in his life.
    Aphrodite Macbain: mmm. Just have my coffee
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: well
    Fefonz Quan: yes, regular metta practice goes further
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it works for me!
    Pema Pera: nice, Corvi!
    Eos Amaterasu: Marpa (Tibetan dude) kept a bad-tempered Bengali tea boy
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
    Pema Pera: for his Darjeeling?
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonder why he was bad tempered
    Wol Euler: ((much RL laughter))
    Paradise Tennant: metta practice is so powerful :)
    Eden Haiku: Aphrodite, many here are in RL in a retreat in Nova Scotia, they are togeteher in the dining room waiting for their breakfast Pema, Eliza, Eos, Wol, Corvi, Maxine.[Lunch rather, I was mixed up with the timezones]
    Pema Pera: ((Eos in RL: I'm not sure I said that right))
    Eliza Madrigal: cooking is definitely the way our cooks embody "being joy" and you can taste it... seeping into everything...like metta
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Marpa may not hae been that easy to get along with?
    Fefonz Quan: cause he liked coffee Aphro :)
    Wol Euler ndos to Eliza
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: @eliza...mmmhmm
    Bruce Mowbray: The 4 Immeasureables are also called the Four Abodes -- (where the "gods" live) -- but we are welcome to abide there also. . . in the Now.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah
    Eos Amaterasu: (sorry, that was Atisha, not Marpa)
    Fefonz Quan: ( we knew that ;-))
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire wonders why the gods keep those abodes so hard to get to.
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: "How small a thought it takes" to abide there!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks a bit grumpy..naw..it takes a week in the woods!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: at least!
    Wol's next remark reminds me of a topic I wanted to bring to this session as I had to walk a few meters on a main country road the day before, with cars racing by.
    Wol Euler: gated communities, but the gate is in your own head and the key in your hand already.
    Fefonz Quan: as you said Corvi, in order to get there, you need to sttruggle through the hard stuff
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks less grumpy
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks there is a lot of thinking going on
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
    Pema Pera: and laughing!!
    Eden Haiku: Oh, I just remember now. I had a topic for this morning session!
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Wol Euler: ha!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: all laugh
    Bruce Mowbray: easiest thing to do -- nothing easier in our lives than being here. Perhaps I should say, "Simplest" -- not necessarily easiest.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yeah
    Wol Euler: fire away.
    Maxine Walden: ? Eden
    Eliza Madrigal leans in
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: an example for sure of simple not being easy
    Ewan Bonham: :)Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: What is it, Eden?
    Pema Pera: nice distinction, Bruce!
    Fefonz Quan nods to bruce, a very common confusion that is
    Bruce Mowbray listens to Eden.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: a breatlhless hush waiting for Eden
    Pema Pera: even in RL laughter subsides in anticipation
    Eliza Madrigal: only the sounds of the distant blender hummmm
    Wol Euler listens.
    Aphrodite Macbain takes a gulp of coffee
    Pema Pera: (how long is the topic?)
    Eos Amaterasu: 17 words
    Eden Haiku: Would'nt it be a great idea if someone woud create a small village (or town) somewhere in the world where all cars would be banned? I know there is Venice but I imagine some other 'citta ideale'. I would move there! Would you?
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Pema Pera: Zermatt
    Pema Pera: in Zwitserland
    Eden Haiku: Zermatt? No cars at all ?
    Aphrodite Macbain: depends on what would replace the cars
    Ewan Bonham: there is also an island in Michigan
    Wol Euler puts her finger to her lips.
    Ewan Bonham: They use bicycles
    Eden Haiku: Just walking. Bicycles. Boats with oars on rivers.
    Aphrodite Macbain: bicycles
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..:) looks at her bike !
    Aphrodite Macbain: and boats
    Aphrodite Macbain: the 2 bs
    Aphrodite Macbain: or not to b
    Eden Haiku: Wol. you are an architect aren't you? That would be an amazing project!
    Pema Pera: Zermatt is car-free. Private traffic is only permitted up to Tasch (5 km before Zermatt), and the road between Tasch and Zermatt is also closed to public transport.
    Wol Euler: indeed - if someone would pay for it. It's really hard to start something like that from scratch.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's residents have strong legs I guess
    Ewan Bonham: Pema, what country is that?
    Bruce Mowbray goes to New York City for the peace and quiet.
    Aphrodite Macbain: residents
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bruce
    Eden Haiku: I remember also an island in France, near Oleron, Aix I think.
    Aphrodite Macbain wbnders how noisy it is in Bruce's countryside
    Paradise Tennant: guernsey too no ?
    Pema Pera: Zwitserland, Ewan
    Eden Haiku: New York City would be amazing without cars. They did it on Times Square. Why stop there?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey--- It's being in the peace and silence of the present moment -- doesn't matter about the cars. . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheh
    Ewan Bonham: OK, you can find peace in NY...even in a Starbucks
    Pema Pera: :)
    Ewan Bonham: But central Park is nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: Peace from within
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes-- I was in Times Sq. the first week of that experiment -- It was amazing!
    Wol Euler: inner peace, yes, but outer peace is nice too once in a while
    Eliza Madrigal: well there is something to be said for all the sound not 'not' being silence...
    Aphrodite Macbain: our brains are very good at filtring out the noise
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes, if it's fairly constant
    Eos Amaterasu: "sound out there, noise in here"
    Eden Haiku: Yes Wol, was thinking about these billionnaires giving away half their fortune to charities right now. We should choose our pet billionnaire maybe..
    Aphrodite Macbain: true
    Bruce Mowbray: Last week in May of 2009 -- It was phenomenal.
    Eliza Madrigal: quiet is also wonderful , to point to silence
    Wol Euler nods to Eden
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bruce?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: in NY?
    Bruce Mowbray: @ Aph -- That's it -- just enjoying the memory (of the "past"????)
    Eden Haiku: I do think cars matters a lot to peace of mind and to the air we breath also Bruce :)
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Aphrodite Macbain: me/smiles and nods at Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: /me
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and finding "enoughness" wouldn't negate that one bit
    Bruce Mowbray: they sure do -- as do a whole lot of other noisy nuisenses of modern existence.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the noise pollution, the air pollution don't go away
    Ewan Bonham: Once in a place like a museum, the sound of people can be a form of quiet..
    Bruce Mowbray: how do you slepp nuicince? [couldn't figure that out so leaving the nice typo! oh! "how do you spell nuisance", it gets cleared up in the chat]
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: huh?
    Bruce Mowbray: spell.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah
    Corvuscorva Nightfire chuckles
    Aphrodite Macbain: nuisance
    Maxine Walden: pest
    Bruce Mowbray: new-sense There!
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ewan... sure
    Aphrodite Macbain: ha!
    Aphrodite Macbain: not so new
    Corvuscorva Nightfire keeps chuckling
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Making nuisance into New-Sense.
    Maxine Walden: transformations!
    Aphrodite Macbain: What is it about cars that bothers us? The noise? The carbon emissions? What if we had electric cars, would they be OK?
    Eos Amaterasu: to replace cars we need more animals to help us carry stuff
    Eos Amaterasu thinks of herds of pigmy elephant families
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: we'd have to clean up after them too
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..phew!
    Eliza Madrigal: not if they were electric...
    Eos Amaterasu: poop can be used for heating
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and then we'd have to burn the dung...
    Ewan Bonham: Aphro, to me it is the incongruence of the speed of motion
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and let me tell you, that's some pollution, there.
    Eden Haiku: Would love to have more donkeys, mules and horses around. Maybe I should join the Amish? But I want to hold on to my iPad...
    Aphrodite Macbain: electric pigmy elephants?
    Bruce Mowbray: It takes ten pounds of food to make one pound of animal --- going to need lots of agriculture, too.
    Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: yup
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh lordy
    Wol Euler: the problem isn't the kind of cars we have, but the way that they make us live. We need to get away from instant isolated personal mass transport
    Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Wol
    Pema Pera imagine plants pulling the cars . . . .
    Maxine Walden: agree, Wol. The machines that are to serve us often seem to define us
    Aphrodite Macbain: but simply mass transit?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: like language
    Eden Haiku: And our health would improve as we would all walk to get around!
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we think we use it, but it uses us
    Maxine Walden: agree, Corvi
    Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Corv
    Bruce Mowbray thinks about "transformations" of energy. . .
    Wol Euler: and @aprhodite: what does "simply" mean? :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: there are people who aren't that mobile. Must think of them too
    Maxine Walden: the master becomes the slave
    Pema Pera: hi Sophia!!!
    Wol Euler: ((rl chorus of "hooray, sharon's here"))
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Spohia
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello fellow goddess!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: blushes
    Eden Haiku: Yes. We could have electric wheel-chairs and such.
    Aphrodite Macbain: never late here
    Bruce Mowbray: Sl needs to work on the TP technique -- and export it to RL.
    As SophiaSharon arrives, the conversation goes from twinness to Loch Ness to unlocknedness and other silliness.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
    Wol Euler: welcome, sharon
    Aphrodite Macbain: TP technique Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Sharon.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire waves to her newly discovered twin
    Eden Haiku: Good morning Sharon;)
    Pema Pera: (Eliza will explain)
    Bruce Mowbray: Teleportation -- If it works in SL, why no also in RL?
    Wol Euler: heheheeh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: god ya
    Bruce Mowbray: not.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs (I lost internet access and practiced patience and gratefulness hehehehe)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Beam me p scottie
    Wol Euler: true, bruce. And a "mute" button too!
    Aphrodite Macbain: up
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I want teleportation
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: when do I want it?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: careful what you wish for Corvu
    Ewan Bonham: Sharon, because there was something in that time you may have needed to do without internet
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heh
    Wol Euler nods to sharon
    Eliza Madrigal: Glad to have you here Sharon :) So the gist is that those of us who have met both Corvi and SHaron agree that each as the 'other'ness...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire is all about wishing, it's one of the "hardships" that prevents any sense of enoughness
    Bruce Mowbray agrees totally with Corvus.
    Eliza Madrigal: Pema had mentioned thinking so... so ahead of me in line of customs, knowing Corvi would be coming in...
    Ewan Bonham: Corv...yes...wishing is a future thought
    Fefonz Quan: craving corvi :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: otherness.... hmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: I asked "Who has Sharonness in this line"
    Wol Euler: ha!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: omg lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: there is a bright smile ness
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Sharon.
    Eliza Madrigal: and bubbling giggle
    Eden Haiku: Inside jokedness...
    Wol Euler grins.
    Paradise Tennant: grins
    SophiaSharon Larnia is not sure if she is embarrassed, or what :D
    Aphrodite Macbain: lots of nesses
    Eden Haiku: griness
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Wol Euler: no, be welcomed and embraced and loved instead.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks :)
    Fefonz Quan: 'ness' in my language is 'miracle'
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: Wonderfulness
    Aphrodite Macbain: If ness is a state of being, what is the country?
    Wol Euler: Being.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: from what I'm picking up right now, I think you retreaters are having a wonderful time
    Maxine Walden: Loch?
    Wol Euler grins and nods.
    Eden Haiku: @Maxine :)))
    Bruce Mowbray: Loch Ness? (ask aggers)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmmhmm
    Wol Euler: ((RL giggles at Maxine's joke))
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eden Haiku: Lockness?
    Ewan Bonham: Lock-ness
    Wol Euler: unlockedness
    Eden Haiku: Unlockedness, yes, that's better!
    Bruce Mowbray: Inver-ness.
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: neverness?
    Bruce Mowbray: Inter - - - ness.
    Maxine Walden: Loch Ness is a place in Scotland with a reputed monster....gentle creature I am sure, but object of intense curiosity
    Eos Amaterasu: ta in Sanskrit is ness; and tathata is isness
    Wol Euler: oooh
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Nessie has much Nessie-ness.
    Ewan Bonham: Max...the curiosity makes the Creature
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Pema Pera: the gentle monster Isness
    Eden Haiku: I met people in England who had seen it. It has a name this monster, I forgot...
    Maxine Walden: yes! Ewan
    Aphrodite Macbain: nessie
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmmm.. I like that, Ewan.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Eden, is it Nessie, or does it have another name?
    Eden Haiku: Nessie yes, our pet in nessness!
    Fefonz Quan: [7:20] Wol Euler wonders how far this will go
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: descending nto ness-ness
    Eos Amaterasu: enough.... ness
    Corvuscorva Nightfire tosses another pillow at Fefonz and has to go collect more
    Wol Euler: we approve of recycling.
    Eden Haiku: Ah the Tathagatha of nothingness...
    Pema Pera: Play as Issie
    Fefonz Quan: Corvi, you didn't bring enough pillows for me? :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I wasn't prepared!
    We gently glide out of this session as some of the retreaters share feeling sad about the ending the retreat
    Wol Euler experiences a moment of impending-end-of-retreat-sad-ness
    Aphrodite Macbain: /e realizes there are no cars in the secret garden
    Eliza Madrigal: nevermore...
    SophiaSharon Larnia feels for Wol :D
    Pema Pera: forevermore
    Eden Haiku: No cars in the secret garden but an outhouse with a widescreen Aph :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: woohoo
    Aphrodite Macbain: me/realizes she keeps hitting the keys wrong
    Aphrodite Macbain keeps hitting the keys wrong
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Fefonz Quan: join the club Aphro :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps it's the cup of coffee getting in the way
    Eden Haiku: But then others will join you in Stuugart very soon Wol ;)
    Wol Euler: true!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I honestly thought you'd done that on purpose, Aphrodite
    Eden Haiku: Stuttgart.
    Bruce Mowbray wonders if folks in NS can Be with their impending-end-of-retreat-sad-nes.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Stuugart?
    Wol Euler: and hopefull many more too! (looks around)
    Maxine Walden: we are trying to do that, Bruce.
    Bruce Mowbray: :-)
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Eden Haiku: Are you leaving the forest place tomorrow?
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed..Wol mentioning it here... working with it a bit at Maxine's suggestion over the last few days...
    Wol Euler: mmhmmm
    Maxine Walden: To be, to face the sadness, and hopefully to feel a completeness about the nourishment we have had here, but paying respectful attention to it.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Fefonz Quan: the sadness is a good sign that something good was going on then
    Eliza Madrigal: honoring the openness... the unrequited quality
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks they might be feeling very happy after the retreat
    Bruce Mowbray feels like he is also in Nova Scotia at this moment.
    Wol Euler: Aphro, the next retreat will be in Stuttgart, Germany in October.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, me too :)
    Maxine Walden: hmm, nice, Bruce
    Fefonz Quan: you wouldn't prefer the 'oh, i am glad to get out of of that place' feeling, would you?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: ha! true.
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hopefully they are feeling regenerated and purposeful
    Wol Euler: bright-eyed and bushy tailed.
    Wol Euler: we have red squirrel nature.
    Aphrodite Macbain: full of ness
    Bruce Mowbray: Perky, too!
    Fefonz Quan: (bushy tailed?)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .. always wonderful the shared energy .. you get from the space and companionship :)
    Maxine Walden: hopefully so, Aph, but maybe first, at least for me, is the digestion of the whole experience which just might take a bit of time.
    Eden Haiku: Wondering about the bushytailedness...
    Pema Pera: lunch plates for Bruce and Eden are being set on the table right now
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: agrees @ Maxine... can feel myself falling into processing already....
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh THANKS, Pema!
    Pema Pera: (and there are a few more!)
    Aphrodite Macbain: What's for lunch?
    Eden Haiku: Lunch...oh yes, you are ahead of here in time, I always think it's the reverse...
    Fefonz Quan: lunchness - one of the best ones!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles @ Aphrodite
    Pema Pera: those with bushy tales make a *lot* of racket in the forest . . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: one hour difference, for me.
    Maxine Walden: cream of broccoli soup, bread with garlic herb butter, salad with cucumber...
    Wol Euler: cream of broccoli soup, bread wiht herb butter, salad with cucumber
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's not quite 8AM here. Just had my first cup of coffee
    Eden Haiku: Yummy, thanks!
    Bruce Mowbray: yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum !!!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yum. Could I save it for later
    Maxine Walden: y'all come...
    Eliza Madrigal: put it in your pocket Aphrodite ;-)
    Wol Euler: last night we had portobello mushrooms stufed with roasted almonds and gouda cheese
    Eos Amaterasu: Fefonz, we had a soup that was an echo of your great Malta soup1
    Aphrodite Macbain: where's the table? outside?
    Wol Euler: yes, eos!
    Eden Haiku: Hugging you all from here,.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did almond cookies make an appearance?
    Fefonz Quan: Ah, nice Eos :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Inside - the mosquitos are not just aural
    Wol Euler: lots of almonds, sharon
    Pema Pera: almonds and soup connect Malta and Nova Scotia
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at the memory of fefonz's soup :)
    Eliza Madrigal: almond milk... roasted almonds...
    Aphrodite Macbain wonders what kind of mess would be made - broccoi soup in her pocket?
    Bruce Mowbray hugs you all back!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i knew it!
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Maxine Walden: a mess of ness
    Eliza Madrigal smiles widely... the best things can't be contained
    SophiaSharon Larnia loves messes
    Pema Pera tries to visualize hugging someone with broccoli soup in her pocket
    Wol Euler: oh, how true eliza.
    Maxine Walden: a new meaning of green, Pema
    Eden Haiku: A mess of ness..:)
    Fefonz Quan: enoughmess... hmm
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Pema Pera: :0(
    Pema Pera: enough!
    Eos Amaterasu looked everywhere for almond cookies that were up to Malta-ness
    Wol Euler: ((much RL laughter))
    Eliza Madrigal: hhahhahah!!
    Eden Haiku: Cool nests.
    Bruce Mowbray: Nested hierarchy of ness-es.
    Wol Euler: hello MarkMonet, have you been here before?
    Aphrodite Macbain: One ness nested in another like overlapping states of being
    MarkMonet Thor: No, and hello all
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, must sign off... just a few days and will be sitting at your session Monday Eden, at least that's the intention :) Thanks so much for this time
    Eden Haiku: Hi MarkMonet, you are welcome to sit with us if you would like :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Mark
    MarkMonet Thor: Thank you.
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome Mark, maybe see you again :)
    Wol Euler: we're going to have to break for RL lunch very soon, could somebody else give Mark the intro please?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :::waves::::
    Maxine Walden: have to go...nice to see everyone...
    Eos Amaterasu: now we ride the kick up the levels
    Maxine Walden: bye all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Eos Amaterasu: bye!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi MarkMonet bye everyone who is leaving!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Wol Euler: goodbye, my dears. Take care, enjoy your day
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: our kick being really yummy smelling food.
    Aphrodite Macbain: bye Yaku
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye all!
    Fefonz Quan: I'll leave too, by all, retreaters and SL's
    Pema Pera: bfn
    SophiaSharon Larnia pouts a litle ^^
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I will Wol. Enjoy your lunch in the forest:) Thanks!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles I should scoot too .. was wonderful being able to share the moment the ness .. :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Eden Haiku: Have you been here before Mark?
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks she will go and make breakfast now that everyone is leaving
    Ewan Bonham: thanks folks for the bird's eye view today..
    Ewan Bonham: C'ya soon..
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Ewan
    Eden Haiku: Bye Aphrodite, have a very nice day of enoughness ;))
    SophiaSharon Larnia thinks she will go back to finishing building her house :)))
    MarkMonet Thor: No, first time. automatically like the people I see.
    MarkMonet Thor: Smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone :D
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Eden Haiku: Thanks. I will pass you a notecard of info about our group.
    MarkMonet Thor: Thank you
    Eden Haiku: We are towards the end of this meeting, that is why so many left :)
    Bruce Mowbray: We have been meeting here for two hours this session / / /
    Bruce Mowbray: already.
    Bruce Mowbray: Please do consider returning, Mark. We meet here every six hours around the clock---
    Bruce Mowbray: In SL times: 1,7,1,7,1,7,1,7,1,7 - and so on!
    Eden Haiku: We meet here 4 times a day, everyday. 7am SLT, 1pm SLT, 7pm SLT and 1 am SLT. We come at different times, according to our time zomes and schedules.
    Bruce Mowbray: This link will tell you much of what we're about: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    MarkMonet Thor: Just finished readying your info. Nice and concise.
    Eden Haiku: I see you are an artist MarkMonet (and I have a hint that you like Monet...).
    MarkMonet Thor: Yes. good guess. Laughs
    Eden Haiku: There are a few artists in this group that you might enjoy to meet: Bleu Oleander, Zen Arado .
    MarkMonet Thor: Am I a cloud to you?
    Eden Haiku: No, I can see you well.
    Bruce Mowbray: I can also see you well, Mark.
    MarkMonet Thor: Good. I only see a cloud. Do not even know if I have clothes on.
    Eden Haiku: Cowboy hat, sword and what is this bling animal on your shoulder?
    MarkMonet Thor: Ah yes. That's what I last had on.
    Bruce Mowbray: You have excellent clothes on -- and a white animal on your left shoulder, and a sword on your back.
    Bruce Mowbray: anf a hat -- looks to be Aussie.
    Bruce Mowbray: and.
    MarkMonet Thor: Cowboy.
    MarkMonet Thor: Waves hat.
    Eden Haiku: May I as where you live Mark?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey! [waves back]
    MarkMonet Thor: Western U.S.
    Eden Haiku: Ah cowboys!
    MarkMonet Thor: You also Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: I live in Ohio -- but am quite familiar with the Western states in US.
    Bruce Mowbray: .Folks, I'm going to go for a hike with my dog now -- Mark, we'll look forward to seeing you again.
    MarkMonet Thor: I suspected you were from the Midwest. That outgoing friendliness
    Eden Haiku: Bye Bruce, have a great day!
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now!
    MarkMonet Thor: Thank you
    MarkMonet Thor: I have to go also. Nice to meet your two and will join the group as well
    MarkMonet Thor: Bye for now
    Eden Haiku: I also have to leave now Mark as we have been in a meeting for the last two hours but please come back.
    Eden Haiku: Enjoy your day!
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