2010.08.08 13:00 - Stand like a tree. Sit like a frog. Lie down like a rotting log.

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.  Attending were: Pema, Eos, Wol, Ewan, Dream, Yazukka, Arabella, Wester, Stevenaia, Darren, and MarkMonet.

    Pema Pera: hi Bruce!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Pema.
    Bruce Mowbray: I sure hope I'm doing this right.

    --BELL–

    Pema Pera: so fare so good :-)
    Pema Pera: *far
    Pema Pera: (I saw that you just claimed the session successfully)
    Bruce Mowbray: I've just claimed the session -- Will it be sent to my email address?
    Pema Pera: yes, if you gave it your email address
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I did. OK, we're all set, then.
    Pema Pera: thanks for doing this!
    Pema Pera: it may look a bit complex at first, like everything you do for the first time, but you'll get used to it quickly
    Bruce Mowbray: My honor and treat!
    Bruce Mowbray: I've just come from a RL Quaker Meeting.
    Pema Pera: basically you can just cut and paste what you get sent and put it directly on the wiki -- and if you like, you can then add comments, which of course is more work but also more fun!
    Pema Pera: how was that meeting?
    Bruce Mowbray: It was a wonderful Meeting.
    Bruce Mowbray: Some wonderful folks and wonderful energy in the group.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eos!
    Pema Pera: hi Eos!
    Pema Pera: do you often go?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, every Sunday afternoon in Circleville, Ohio.
    Bruce Mowbray: How are you, Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi, Bruce and Pema!
    Pema Pera: I really should attend some of those meetings too -- from all I hear there is a lot of common ground with our PaB meetings here
    Pema Pera: (talking about Quaker meetings, Eos)
    Eos Amaterasu: Ah!
    Bruce Mowbray: absolutely there is common ground.
    Bruce Mowbray: I especially like Quakers' respect for the silence.
    Eos Amaterasu: emptying out is common ground
    Bruce Mowbray: indeed. But as with all spiritual traditions, there is broad diversity with Quakers.
    Bruce Mowbray: Some are atheistic pantheists -- some are Christ-centered conservatives.
    Bruce Mowbray: A FUN lot, altogether!
    Pema Pera: but they tolerate the diversity well, I gather?
    Bruce Mowbray: They tolerate diversity very well -- and encourage it, at least in the groups I've been part of.
    Pema Pera: that's great!
    Pema Pera: Hi Wol !
    Eos Amaterasu thinks about pan-everywhere theists
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Wol!
    Wol Euler: good afternoon!
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Wol
    Pema Pera: What a quick reunion of the PaB retreat -- with Eos, Wol and me here already!
    Bruce Mowbray: How are you this afternoon, Wol?
    Eos Amaterasu: there really isn't very far to go
    Wol Euler: wobbly. 31 hours traveling on six hours sleep.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh my!
    Wol Euler: I'm trying to stay up to a reasonable local bedtime
    Pema Pera: that will be very soon, I bet!
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Bruce Mowbray: You folks have had a wonderful week. It was great fun being part of that on Friday morning.
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: we are continuing, just changing gears
    Wol Euler: very true, Bruce. It was marvelous.
    Bruce Mowbray: Coming down from the mountain. . .
    Pema Pera: that was a bit wacky, to sit in a room in RL, while trying to focus on everything all at once: what was happening here in SL, plus conversations in the room between avatar typists, plus conversations drifting in through the open windows from the cooks and their friends :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: first there is a mountain then there is no mountain
    Eos Amaterasu: then there is
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eos Amaterasu is holding a Windhorse Farm snowglobe in his heart
    Pema Pera: do you sometimes turn your heart upside down, Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: the snowglobe seems very good at doing that :-)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Ewan!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ewan!
    Wol Euler: hello Ewan
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Ewan!
    Eos Amaterasu: psst....

    http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2010/08/2010.08.08_08:00_-_Two_New_Retreats_Announced


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Ewan had trouble finding a seat this morning. . . going better now, I see.
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Yak, Dream
    Ewan Bonham: Hi folks..
    Pema Pera: Hi Dream, good seeing you again!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku!
    Eos Amaterasu: (a dream has entered my dream)
    Wol Euler: hello dream
    Wol Euler: :)))
    Pema Pera: hi Yaku!
    Dream Wrexan: hi everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Dream!

    --BELL–

    Pema Pera: Hi Wester!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Wester.
    Wol Euler: hello wester
    Eos Amaterasu: ~~, Wester
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi wester
    Bruce Mowbray: Have you been here before, Wester -- sorry, but I need to ask.
    Wol Euler grins. She's a guardian, Bruce :)
    Wol Euler: but it's always good to ask.
    Wester Kiranov: hi all, hi Bruce - yes I've been here before
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. . . I thought probably so. Thanks!
    Wester Kiranov: if above the name it says PaB host you don't have to ask, really
    Wol Euler grins.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Hi, Arabella.
    Ewan Bonham: lol
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Pema Pera: hi Arabella !!!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: huhu ara
    Eos Amaterasu: Arabella!
    Bruce Mowbray is still learning the ropes. -)
    Ewan Bonham: hi ara
    Wester Kiranov: hi ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone! Welcome back Wol, Eos!
    Wol Euler: ty
    Eos Amaterasu thinks of almond in all kinds of forms, for some reason :-)
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Eos Amaterasu: This retreat was full of almonds
    arabella Ella smiles! And of a village with a name we know!
    Pema Pera: yes, we've talked quite a bit about the Malta retreat, Arabella!
    Pema Pera: during the Nova Scotia retreat that just finished yesterday
    arabella Ella: oh Pema welcome back too did not notice you here!
    arabella Ella: (am still rezzing)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    arabella Ella: hopefully you mentioned the Malta retreat in a good light ... but I am dying to hear about the latest retreat ... what news?
    Wol Euler: lions and chipmunks and moss, oh my!
    Bruce Mowbray: almonds and cucumbers and portobelos, -- Oh my!
    Wester Kiranov: so you had a good retreat?
    arabella Ella: real life chipmunks Wol?
    Pema Pera: nothing but good light, Arabella! -- and looking forward already to our repeat on Malta, in January 2012!
    arabella Ella: great ... as I am too Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Bruce got the spirit!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Pema Pera: yes, very real chipmunks!
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) It was contagious!
    Eos Amaterasu: And in Stuttgart October 2010
    Pema Pera: and yes, a very good retreat, Wester!
    Eos Amaterasu: and in New Orleans January 2010
    Eos Amaterasu: 2011
    Pema Pera: One thing that made it wonderful was to have three guided forest walks by Jim Drescher, the local forester
    Eos Amaterasu: (as Pema said, a Bourbon retreat :-)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Pema Pera: on top of the urban retreat nature
    Pema Pera: :)
    arabella Ella: how lovely
    Wester Kiranov: I do want to go to one sometime. Too bad the October 2010 one is impracticable
    Pema Pera: bad timing, Wester?
    Wester Kiranov: yes, all my babysits are on holiday at that time
    Pema Pera: that's a pity!
    Wester Kiranov: maybe 2011. I hope so.
    arabella Ella: are you planning another retreat in Europe in 2011 Pema and Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: We hope so - Assisi was the intent
    arabella Ella: ah ... anywhere in Italy would be lovely :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, steve!
    Wester Kiranov: hi steve
    Wol Euler: hello steve
    Eos Amaterasu: schedule at

    http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Retreats

    has been updated
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello all
    arabella Ella: oh thanks
    arabella Ella: Hiya Steve!
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Steve

    --BELL–

    Eos Amaterasu: The 90 secs feel like Jim D's instruction: "lie down like a rotting log"
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Pema Pera: that may need some explanation . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: Jim D?
    Eos Amaterasu: it has what Eliza called "juicy enoughness"
    Eos Amaterasu: Jim D = Jim Drescher, owner of Windhorse Farm, who gave us a Forest instruction
    Eos Amaterasu: while standing in the forest
    Eos Amaterasu: with mosquitoes and springy soil and very tall trees
    Pema Pera: he has some guidelines for how to enjoy the forest - and life, really
    Bruce Mowbray:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_Horse


    Pema Pera: Eos gave us his lines: the first three are: Stand like a tree. Sit like a frog. Lie down like a rotting log.
    Pema Pera: A while further down is another line I especially liked:
    Pema Pera: Be discriminating without commentary.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wester Kiranov: that's good
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pardon if I missed this at the start, but how was the retreat?
    Wol Euler smiles beatifically.
    Pema Pera: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: aww..... bliss
    Pema Pera: was wonderful, hard to convey . . . . joyful :)
    Bruce Mowbray muses: Me thinks they are still descending from the mountain.
    Eos Amaterasu: the 90 secs is the mountain?
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: 90 secs could indeed be a mountain.
    Bruce Mowbray: or 9 secs.
    Eos Amaterasu: as easy as falling off a mountain :-)
    Wester Kiranov: how many seconds is a retreat?
    Eos Amaterasu: 432,000?
    Eos Amaterasu: the 10,000 90 secs
    Wol Euler: at least that.
    Wol Euler: plus anticipation and memory ...
    Eos Amaterasu: also timeless :-)
    Pema Pera is still pondering how to describe the retreat: a sense of flow, of natural process, lots of walks, talks, meals, explorations, but never rushed and all occurring spontaneously, it felt.
    Eos Amaterasu: as long as a blueberry
    Wol Euler: and as wide as the howl of a coyote
    Eos Amaterasu: awoo! awoo!

    --BELL–

    Wol Euler: it was packed full of emptiness, organized on a schedule of no-time
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like action packed relaxness
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Pema Pera: the movie we saw was certainly packed . . .
    Wol Euler: oh yes :)
    Wol Euler: "Inception"
    Wol Euler: highly recommended
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Ewan Bonham: Sounds like it is intriguing..
    Eos Amaterasu: Wednesday afternoon we all went to see the movie
    Eos Amaterasu: (some of us for 2nd time)
    Pema Pera: during the previous retreat, in San Francisco, we all saw Avatar -- it's becoming a PaB retreat tradition!
    Eos Amaterasu: pan to dining room table at Juniper Lodge, Windhorse Farm, where a top is spinning, maybe wobbling?
    arabella Ella: are you going to organise sessions when retreat participants share and discuss their perspective of the retreat? or have I missed that?
    Pema Pera: yes, I even brought the proper suitcase (@ Eos)
    Wol Euler: good idea.
    Pema Pera: we could!
    Eos Amaterasu: we will incept the forest in you
    arabella Ella: we had done it after the Malta retreat with q and a too
    arabella Ella: question and answer
    Bruce Mowbray: Can you stay present and let the feelings about the retreat happen here/now?
    without returning to the setting?
    Eos Amaterasu: indeed!
    Pema Pera: sure
    Pema Pera: can't avoid :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: cool. ;-)
    Eos Amaterasu: nostalgia for the present
    Pema Pera: we were infected :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: and we who did not attend are happily infected by your enthusiasm.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Ewan Bonham: yep..
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Pema Pera: Hi Darren!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Darren!
    Eos Amaterasu: we can do both "retreats" and "charges"
    Wol Euler writes down "nostalgia for the present"
    Darren Islar: hi everyone
    Wol Euler: hello darren
    Eos Amaterasu: the retreat is a way to incept being in the heart
    Wester Kiranov: I have to leave - RL calling. Sorry.
    Eos Amaterasu: ~~
    Darren Islar: bye Wester :)
    Pema Pera: bye Wester, good seeing you again!
    Wol Euler: bye wester, take care
    Pema Pera: time for me too to move on
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Darren
    Darren Islar: bye Pema :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye PEma
    Pema Pera: great talking with you all !
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Wol Euler: bye pema, take care. When do you fly?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome darren
    arabella Ella: bye Pema
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Pema and Wester.
    Pema Pera: tomorrow morning, Wol
    Eos Amaterasu: time for this snowglobe to slowly dissolve
    Eos Amaterasu: bye all
    Wol Euler: have a good trip!
    arabella Ella: Hiya Darren!
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Eos.
    Pema Pera: I have just one night at home in New York, and then off to Tokyo again :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am off as well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye who's leaving :)
    Darren Islar: bye everyone who leaves

    --BELL–

    Wol Euler: bye steve!
    arabella Ella: bye Steve
    Bruce Mowbray: bye. steve.
    Bruce Mowbray: wow. I sure wish I'd been able to attend that retreat!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: there will be more, bruce.

    [Bruce is in a very noisy sports bar.  The bar's electricity goes off.  Everything goes dark, and the bar's wi-fi crashes. Bruce crashes.]

    Wol Euler: I guess that idea threw him.
    Darren Islar: :)
    Wol Euler: wb
    Ewan Bonham: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmmm.... OK -- I just crashed. Is that going to affect my being able to retrieve the chat?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no
    Bruce Mowbray: ok. Thanks, Yaku.
    Wol Euler: no
    Bruce Mowbray: thanks, Wol.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ewan, we've gotta get you trained to ‘claim' a session ;-)
    Ewan Bonham: I would like to..
    Wol Euler: well :)
    Ewan Bonham: Is there some formal training?
    Ewan Bonham: I have been observing..
    Wol Euler: it's easy enough. The autologging does its own thing.
    Bruce Mowbray: There wasn't for me! I just sort of fell into it by default.
    Ewan Bonham: Oh...
    Wol Euler: you have to greet the noobs, instruct them and (very important!) ensure that they give permission to be recorded and published.
    Ewan Bonham: Well, I assume there is some variety for all of us..
    Ewan Bonham: oh...Ok...I have seen that done..
    Wol Euler: there's no formal training as such, but there certainly could be
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I was prepared for nppbs with notecard etc. today, but none have shown up so far.           Bruce Mowbray: noobs.
    arabella Ella was trying to figure out what nppbs could mean :)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: welcome back, Mark!
    MarkMonet Thor: Thanks Bruce.
    Ewan Bonham: is there a standard notecard? Or do you just type one out?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mark
    Darren Islar: hi Mark
    Bruce Mowbray: There is a standard card. . . I'll give you one now, Ewan.
    Wol Euler: use the standard, yes
    MarkMonet Thor: Hello arabella, Darren, and anyone else I cannot see at the moment
    Bruce Mowbray: Anyone else want one of the standard notecards?
    Wol Euler: hello markmonet
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Mark. -- Got a different hat today!
    MarkMonet Thor: Cyrpris. Good to see you again.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello mark
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but you can call me Yak :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or Yaku

    --BELL–

    MarkMonet Thor: Okay Yak.
    MarkMonet Thor: Yak a lot
    MarkMonet Thor: Meant nicely
    MarkMonet Thor: Smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: (actually, Yaku is one of the quieter folks here! -- also meant nicely.)
    Bruce Mowbray should really be observing the 90 secs of silence better than he has so far at this session.
    Wol Euler: indeed :)
    Bruce Mowbray is in a sports bar - using their wi-fi - and cannot HEAR any of the bells. But can see them in the chat -- if he would simply WATCH it!
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you understand about the 90 sec, Mark?
    MarkMonet Thor: No--tell me.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol. . . please do us the honor, OK?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I go to bed, my vacation is over -> 5 hrs to sleep, night everyone :(
    arabella Ella: gtg good night all!
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, ara!
    Wol Euler: 'night ara
    Darren Islar: nite Ara
    MarkMonet Thor: Have a good sleep yak
    Darren Islar: (for the record)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Yaku
    Wol Euler: I should go too, I'm definitely fading here.
    Wol Euler: goodnight, take care.
    Bruce Mowbray: ok, bye Wol.
    Ewan Bonham: night Wol
    MarkMonet Thor: Bye and nice meeting you.
    Darren Islar: nite Wol, again for the record
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. . . Darren, do you want to explain the 90 secs.?
    MarkMonet Thor: Anybody else on the 90 second rule, if that is what it is.
    Darren Islar: it is the group's equivalent of the 9 secs you can take any minute
    Darren Islar: to drop what you are doing and to see what happens
    Darren Islar: then you can write down something that comes in your mind, so you build up some kind of history
    Darren Islar: somebody seems to have said, 'Why don't we do that in the meetings as well?'
    MarkMonet Thor: Or to give anyone a chance to jump in?
    Darren Islar: and they multiplied it with ten
    Darren Islar: it seems to be that discussions are less heated since then
    Darren Islar: it is a moment in which you can drop or do something different except being active in the discussion
    Darren Islar: don't ask me though where the 9 seconds are based on
    Darren Islar: no idea
    MarkMonet Thor: Thanks for the notecard. Understood
    Bruce Mowbray: the 9 secs are 1% of every 15 minutes.
    Darren Islar: ah, okay
    Darren Islar: in hundred years they think it is a holy number :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    MarkMonet Thor: Thinking
    Bruce Mowbray: Just before you arrived, Mark, the circle here was almost full.
    Bruce Mowbray: Several of the folks had been in a RL retreat all week in Nova Scotia.
    MarkMonet Thor: I should have bathed.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    MarkMonet Thor: laughs
    Ewan Bonham: I will have to excuse myself folks and thanks..
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Ewan. Have a grand day.
    MarkMonet Thor: Good too meet you Ewan
    Darren Islar: bye Ewan, I'm going too
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Darren.
    MarkMonet Thor: And also Darren
    Darren Islar: see you guys :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ewan lives in Florida and Darren in Holland.
    Bruce Mowbray: so it is 10:30 p.m. in Holland now.

    --BELL–

    MarkMonet Thor: That is the virtue of SL I really like. You can meet people from all over.
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, in the first hour of this session we had folks from all over.
    MarkMonet Thor: Glad to hear that
    Bruce Mowbray: Italy, Holland, all over the world.
    MarkMonet Thor: SL seems very popular in Holland.
    Bruce Mowbray: Pema (don't know if you've met him yet) is the founder of this group -- a couple of years ago).
    Bruce Mowbray: He is an astrophysicist at the Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton.
    Bruce Mowbray: (Einstein's place.)
    MarkMonet Thor: I have not met him yet.
    Bruce Mowbray: He was sitting to my left.
    Bruce Mowbray: He lives in New York City and will be off to Japan tomorrow (or the day after).
    Bruce Mowbray: an amazing fellow, really.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm afraid that your brief visits here have not really given you a flavor the remarkable nature of this group.
    Bruce Mowbray: It is unquestionably the best thing I've ever done in SL.
    MarkMonet Thor: I will be coming back often, and that should give me a good idea
    Bruce Mowbray: We also have sub-groups. One of those meets on Friday mornings at 6 slt.
    Bruce Mowbray: It focuses on the nature of time.
    MarkMonet Thor: Meets here?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: It's probably a bit early for you, though.
    MarkMonet Thor: What time is the meeting?
    Bruce Mowbray: It is at 6 a.m. slt -- which is 9 a.m. here in Ohio.
    Bruce Mowbray: I will find the wiki for that group for you....
    Bruce Mowbray: just a sec....
    MarkMonet Thor: That time is difficult.
    MarkMonet Thor: But I will try.
    Bruce Mowbray:

    http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions


    Bruce Mowbray: This session began at 1 p.m. slt ---- I think that would be noon your time.
    MarkMonet Thor: My best time for any meeting is noon SLT. Than it gets progressively harder plus or minus an hour or three
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, this group meets every day at noon your time (also at SLT 7pm, 1 a.m., 7 a.m.)
    Bruce Mowbray: I need to be afk for a moment,....
    MarkMonet Thor: I also got to go.
    MarkMonet Thor: And great meeting you and you have been so helpful.
    MarkMonet Thor: Cheers.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Have a great day, Mark.

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