2010.08.10 07:00 - DandiLion Wishes

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    But, first some mood music

    Please to be forewarned: I have had a crappy day.  This chat was the highlight of an otherwise...
    Also, I have had at least a glass of wine and might type anything I feel like.


    Archmage Atlantis: hi Yaku :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Is there a conference or something happening today?.......I was the only one here at the last session.
    Archmage Atlantis: And it looks like this is going to be a quiet session also, so far.
    Archmage Atlantis: There was no guardian at the last session either, just me

    Let it be know!! I was up early.  Showered, dressed, made coffee, talked with son (Yeaaaaa!) and actually had a great topic for today/ [will save for another time]
    Then my computer was (almost) dead.
    Then my internet connection was dead.

        Riddle Sideways: good morning and sorry for my delay
    Riddle Sideways: lost internet on my block
        Archmage Atlantis: Good Morning, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: unknown reason... weather is fine
    Riddle Sideways: also almost lost this computer too
        Hung, reboot, chkdisk.
        Goto another computer, it does not have SLTry to download. Find no internet.  Goto to Modem, power off/on = no connection outside house.  Son yells, "Hey dad, no internet".
        In a useless motion, send an email that says "Hey group I can not get in!".  It bounces. 

    Archmage Atlantis: The dog ate the connection? (sad attempt at humor)
    Riddle Sideways: so cussse me, whaaat were we talkin a bout?
    Archmage Atlantis: We weren't
    Archmage Atlantis: Yaku is away
    Riddle Sideways: Yaku has multiple veiwers at multiple places
    Archmage Atlantis: I was wondering if there is a conference going on, as I was the only one at the last meeting.......and there is hardly anyone here......I was just about to leave
         Riddle Sideways: Hi Bruce    
         Archmage Atlantis: Hi Bruce

    Bruce and Aphrodite enter.  As Aprodite walks to the pillows, she desends into the below ground.
        Riddle Sideways: opps, Aphrod
        Riddle Sideways: ya walked right under ground
        Riddle Sideways: must be a bog there
        Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Aphrodite    
         Bruce Mowbray: Good day, everyone.
        Riddle Sideways: and g'day Blub
        Aphrodite Macbain: There that's better!
        Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Yaku, Arch, Bruce, Riddle
        Riddle Sideways: sit very still and the qucik sand will not effect ya
    Aphrodite Macbain: and if that doesn't work, swim, or fly!

    Riddle Sideways: so, my son is home
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Riddle Sideways: he was 21 hours on planes
    Archmage Atlantis: That sounds nice, Riddle....home from where?
    Riddle Sideways: only 13 hours of layovers
    Aphrodite Macbain: where was he?
    Riddle Sideways: Kenya

    I know that does not sound too bad to many of you long hual travelers, but it seems too long to me.
    Aphrodite Macbain: cool. what was he doing there?
    Riddle Sideways: trying to bring the internet to the Maasai
    Aphrodite Macbain: seriously?
    Riddle Sideways: yeah, it almost works
    Riddle Sideways: bad to slow connection
    Aphrodite Macbain: how many people in Kenya have access to the internet?
    Riddle Sideways: trying to teach useage in several langages he does not speak
    Archmage Atlantis: I love that, Riddle.....what a neat thing to be involved in
    Aphrodite Macbain: was this a grovernment project?
    Archmage Atlantis: Is he with an organization? or on his own?
    Riddle Sideways: he is goinig to save this world some how
    Aphrodite Macbain: government
    Riddle Sideways: with the little college he is finishing up at
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice
    Riddle Sideways: he will be non-profit the rest of his life :(
    Aphrodite Macbain: he is teaching there or studying?
    Riddle Sideways: is registered as student, but does lots of teaching
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a :) thing to me
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too

    Riddle Sideways: me thinks both my kids hear too many stories about us trying to fix/save the world
    Riddle Sideways: when they were growing
    Riddle Sideways: now they want to do it
    Aphrodite Macbain: we didn't accomplish a whole lot, did we?
    Archmage Atlantis: Riddle, would you prefer he be in business? or a profit organization?
    Riddle Sideways: no arch, was just kidding
    Archmage Atlantis: Thought to
    Archmage Atlantis: *si
    Archmage Atlantis: *so
    Riddle Sideways: not sure what we did, aphro
    Bruce Mowbray: Which country are you from - or do you live in - Riddle?
    Aphrodite Macbain: to change the world for the better I mean
    Riddle Sideways: I thnik we changed a bunch
    Aphrodite Macbain: For the better?
    Riddle Sideways avoids painful answer
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have continued to pollute this planet
    Riddle Sideways: [not always for the better]

    Archmage Atlantis: I know many things, when I was a child, there were separate coloured and white bathrooms.......or no bathroom for coloured at all
    Archmage Atlantis: As a gay man, there was no recognition of those who were like me
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have experienced the horrors of Rwanda and the Balkans, and women still wear very high heels!
          Yakuzza Lethecus: hi aph,riddle and bruce :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, In some places gayness is much more accepted
    Archmage Atlantis: A woman could not have run for President, much less the Secretary
           Riddle Sideways: wb Yaku
           Aphrodite Macbain: Yey Yaku
    Riddle Sideways: nor even run in those heels
    Aphrodite Macbain: haha true
    Riddle Sideways: I had long hair then
    Aphrodite Macbain: Mrgaret Thatcher managed to run britain 10 years before
    Riddle Sideways: and the south was dangerious
    Riddle Sideways: got scars
    Aphrodite Macbain: ??
    Archmage Atlantis: Celebrate progress :).........though I agree with the high heel thing......drag queens have such trouble with their feet :)
    Bruce Mowbray: So, you live in the southern US, Riddle?
    Aphrodite Macbain: which south Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: did live and travel thru a lot
    Riddle Sideways: now live california
    Aphrodite Macbain: how was it dangerous?
    Archmage Atlantis: Just having long hair was dangerous once
    Bruce Mowbray: You mentioned segregated restrooms ---- I experienced that for the first time when I went to a university in Texas.
    Riddle Sideways: during civil rights movement, being white was not safe either
    Archmage Atlantis: Now all the country stars have longer hair
    Aphrodite Macbain: and usually wear them in a pony tail
    Archmage Atlantis: :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: one of today´s news was that a german elemetaryschoolteacher was shot to death in san francisco on her vacation yesterday
    Archmage Atlantis: And no one would have even mentioned Rwanda
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd never experienced "actual" segregation -- although growing up in Iowa, there was de facto segregation -- but I was not yet awke enough to notice that.
    Archmage Atlantis: I grew up in the deep south
    Aphrodite Macbain: why was she shot? does anyone know Yaku?
    Bruce Mowbray: It is so sad when visitors to America - on holidays - get hurt or killed. . .
    Archmage Atlantis: and my parents came from a long line of the same
    Riddle Sideways: sad Yak, and a nun was killed in S.Caralina yesterday
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wront time, wrong place some random gangfight and she was simply in the middle

    Riddle Sideways: well a hippie do-gooder was out of place in mississipppi
    Archmage Atlantis: Because, imo, we treat mental problems as moral failures, or as failures to follow a religious path
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks that society will always have its intolerant numbskulls and its optimistic dogooders
    Archmage Atlantis: Alabama, Georgia & North Carolina here
    Bruce Mowbray: good point, Arch. (and Aph, too.)
    Archmage Atlantis: Luckily, some of childhood was in Miami *g*
    Aphrodite Macbain hopes the do gooders will win out
    Aphrodite Macbain: but hope they do good in a consultative manner
    Aphrodite Macbain: kile Rubble's son
    Archmage Atlantis: There will always be more good to do......
    Aphrodite Macbain: like
    Riddle Sideways: so it is an open answer as to whether we did for the better
    Aphrodite Macbain: a bottomless pit
    Aphrodite Macbain: the need for good doing
    Aphrodite Macbain: I suspect everyone around this circle is busy doing it
    Aphrodite Macbain: one way or another
    Riddle Sideways: nah, don't do much anymore
    Riddle Sideways: maybe sing a song sometimes
    Riddle Sideways: launch my kids to do it
    Aphrodite Macbain: that would do me good

    Archmage Atlantis: I have a quote, it's short enough that I will paste it if it is ok.....it is about a way of looking at things that seem not good.....Hopefully no one will mind the pasting
    Archmage Atlantis:
            Whenever evil befalls us, we ought to ask ourselves,
            after the first suffering, how we can turn it into good.
            So shall we take occasion, from one bitter root, to raise perhaps many flowers. - Leigh Hunt (1784 - 1859)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Beautiful Thank you
    Archmage Atlantis: ty, Aph
    Riddle Sideways: very nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: fertilize that root
    Riddle Sideways: we eat the bitter root, to remember
    Aphrodite Macbain: It becomes part of us
    Archmage Atlantis: It is easy to become discouraged......but in truth, we have made progress for 1000's of years.......because of people like Riddle's son who continue to care
    Riddle Sideways: yes, he talked about being near deathly sick, but also about a smile he got from one native
    Archmage Atlantis: :))
    Riddle Sideways: a way that young girls could try to read
    Aphrodite Macbain: You must be proud of him Rubble. Now what is he going to do?
    Riddle Sideways: he was attempting to get their bead work sold to the world without all the middle people taking the profits
    Archmage Atlantis: Now That will be a challenge.......
    Riddle Sideways: he is talking of his senior project as a radio station there
    Aphrodite Macbain: fantastic.
    Archmage Atlantis: The middle of the process is where the sneaky bad guys live
    Aphrodite Macbain: would he be speaking in Swahili?
    Riddle Sideways: a news and voice to the locals (and internet tower)
    Riddle Sideways: probably not learn goodly speaking
    Riddle Sideways: some words
    Riddle Sideways: needs to engage locals. Translaters are good connections to make
    Aphrodite Macbain: No kidding.
    Riddle Sideways: big part of his studies is "what works"
    Aphrodite Macbain: Any thoughts of flying out there with him one year?
    Riddle Sideways: giving money or what we think they need is almost always wrong
    Riddle Sideways: ah yes, I need to see Kilamonjara
    Aphrodite Macbain: have to learn to listen to them to find out what they really need
    Riddle Sideways: need to get the cheif to buy in
    Aphrodite Macbain: I lived in Kenya when I was a girl, for 3 years, Karen, outside Nairobi
    Riddle Sideways: and the school teacher
    Archmage Atlantis: Very true Riddle, thinking we know what anyone else needs, even the people close to us, is fraught with opportunity for error.
    Riddle Sideways: and the moms
    Riddle Sideways: and the little kids
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, the "elders" and cultural leaders
    Riddle Sideways: not unlike our country
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Riddle Sideways: this weekend I sang "come on people, get together, love one another" to 500 people
    Aphrodite Macbain: start with those who are already making a difference and help them with their process
    Aphrodite Macbain: wow. where?
    Aphrodite Macbain: which was most fun?
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) hope she gets here wish
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Well I wish you all a cool Tuesday. I must be off now.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, it is time for me to go'
    Archmage Atlantis: Looks like a movement
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) haha
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was good to hear about people doing good things for others... and I mustbe off too.
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste all,

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