2010.08.11 13:00 - Dropped, not Stopped

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    Bertram Jacobus: hey arch ! ty for your nc ! :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya, Bertram......well it was an interesting question, and part of me tends to dig around for answers :).........yw, my pleasure :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Archmage Atlantis: Are you well today?
    Archmage Atlantis: I am. Sleepy a bit tho.
    Bertram Jacobus: ty , it´s okay. my job ends and that is a bit problematic, bust rest is fine. ty. you ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, job endings.....for me they were always upsetting, even when it was time
    Bertram Jacobus: hey wol :-)
    Wol Euler: hello bert, arch
    Sartre Placebo: hey everyone
    Wol Euler: hello sartre, zon, fefonz
    Bertram Jacobus: yes : hy sartre, zon, fefonz :o)
    Fefonz Quan: Hello all, rezzing balls and white clouds :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey Wol, Zon, Sartre, Fefonz.....a distinguished group *g*
    Mickorod Renard: ayup
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Bertram Jacobus: hi mick and bruce
    Sartre Placebo: hey mick,fef,bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya Mic, Bruce :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hey,,lots of malta retreaters
    Fefonz Quan: yep :)
    Wol Euler smiles
    Mickorod Renard: Hi bruce too
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.
    Mickorod Renard: and zon
    Zon Quar: mick
    Archmage Atlantis: Zon *nods*
    Archmage Atlantis: And Blub
    Mickorod Renard: and Arch
    Zon Quar: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: So, is Malta retreat just ended?
    Mickorod Renard: ended in february
    Archmage Atlantis: I'm sort of outside the loop
    Fefonz Quan: well, about 7 months ago, but who's counting?
    Wol Euler: it was in January, Arch; the retreat that just finished was in Halifax, Nova Scotia
    Mickorod Renard: the one in nova scotia just ended
    Bertram Jacobus: was the winter retreat. waht ended was the autumn retreat in nova scotia - wol was there ...
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah.....good seafood *g*
    Wol Euler: yes but not at the retreat
    Wol Euler: it was all veg. No gluten, no dairy, no flour, no sugar, no processed foods of any kind
    Mickorod Renard: I only eat cows,,I am trying to reduce the carbon defecit in the uk
    Wol Euler: but really delicious.
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. hi yaku ! :o)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku,,long time no see
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: There is always seaweed as an ingredient......I've seen some presentations of veg sushi
    Wol Euler: there was some of that, yes, for the iodine
    Archmage Atlantis: Cool :)
    Zon Quar: but u cant do that without good red wine
    Wol Euler: we did have some wine and beer
    Wol Euler: not every night, but a few times
    Zon Quar: i mean eat cows
    Archmage Atlantis: Red, or white wine, or both?
    Wol Euler: oh, sorry :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Boutique beers?
    Wol Euler: both, arch
    Wol Euler: local beer, but not really boutique
    Qt Core: hi all
    Mickorod Renard: wine goes well with a cow
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Qt.
    Zon Quar: qt¨
    Mickorod Renard: hi qt
    Archmage Atlantis: Sounds nice.......I went grocery shopping earlier.....so food is still on my mind :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, red one (the wine, not the cow :))
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Fefonz Quan: hi qt
    Bertram Jacobus: hoi qt
    Archmage Atlantis: Hola, QT
    Wol Euler: hallo qt
    Wol Euler: heh
    Wol Euler: [13:18] Fefonz Quan: hi qt (hi qt) [13:18] Bertram Jacobus: hoi qt (hoi qt) [13:18] Archmage Atlantis: Hola, QT (Hello, QT) [13:18] Wol Euler: hallo qt (hi qt) [13:18] Wol Euler: heh (heh)
    Wol Euler: I had the translator turned on
    Qt Core: feeling overgreeted now ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: I take my greeting back QT *g*
    Fefonz Quan: Wol, would you say something about the retreat?
    Archmage Atlantis: This is a nice group now
    Wol Euler: it was even better than Malta.
    Fefonz Quan: Oh, that's the wrong answer :(
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Wol Euler: well, I'm sorry.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i also disliked that part of her story :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Fefonz Quan: wyou can rephrase: it was better FOR YOU
    Wol Euler: it was very concentrated, we all stayed in a farmhouse in the forest for the whole week
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey, if we can have multiple universes, we can have multiple impressions of retreats
    Wol Euler: apart from the afternoon when we went to see Inception
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol, Hiya everyone!
    Zon Quar: ara
    Qt Core: Hi ara
    Bertram Jacobus: hy ara
    Fefonz Quan: did you sleep there too?
    arabella Ella: Hey Fefonz havent seen you in ages!
    Wol Euler: yep
    Mickorod Renard: hi ara
    Fefonz Quan: hey Ara!
    Wol Euler: everything happened in the one building
    Fefonz Quan: we were just mentioning the great Malta retreat
    arabella Ella: ah cool!
    Wol Euler: it had a two-storey plus a bit central space, where we sat on sofas (and broke one of them)
    Fefonz Quan litens to Wol
    Wol Euler: plus a retreat room off to the side, but we only sat there together once. People used it individually for private sitting after that
    Archmage Atlantis: Or the nova scotia one........being out of the loop, they all run together for me
    Wol Euler: the catering was done by a lovely young couple, locals
    Wol Euler: delicious very healthy food, clearly made with passion and the freshest ingredients
    arabella Ella: reminds me of Fefonz's sweet potato soup ... yummy!
    Archmage Atlantis: *****pointedly excluding cows, apparently*******
    Wol Euler smiles. We said that about the soup on some day or ohter
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: oh yes, nothing animal or fish or bird or insect
    Wol Euler: though we did have eggs once, for breakfast
    Wol Euler: lots of nuts, locally grown
    arabella Ella: now each time i see sweet potatos i remember Fefonz :)
    Fefonz Quan: oh, low protein diet...
    Wol Euler: and local berries and other fruit
    Wol Euler: we talked a lot (obviously)
    Fefonz Quan leans his head humbly :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: blueberries and lions and enoughness came up often
    Fefonz Quan: lionms?
    Wol Euler: and "the is-ness of what is"
    Fefonz Quan: what can be said about the is-ness of what is?
    Wol Euler: we did the Diamond Sutra series of meditations on Tuesday
    Wol Euler: starting with dropping our history and progressing through dropping being human to dropping being and time
    Fefonz Quan: can you say more about that seies of meditatins?
    Wol Euler: I'm the wrong person to ask for details about that, Pema or Eos would explain it far better than I can
    Wol Euler: but the lions arose out of that, from the "dropping being human" stage
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes adds my request to Fefonz
    Wol Euler: because I remembered a friend who had done that very drastically and changed her life.
    Fefonz Quan: (Ah, i didn't know its from the diamond sutra, we did that also on the santa-cruz retreat, one year ago!)
    Wol Euler: she was on a tenting holiday in Africa, out in the bush, with a few friends and a guide
    Wol Euler: she woke up with a start in the middle of the night once, when a lion coughed right outside the tent
    Wol Euler: she described it to me months later when we met
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, thus I have heard
    Wol Euler: "you wake up instantly and your heart is racing. You look at hte guide and he just looks at you."
    Fefonz Quan: (so did she offered him anti-cough pils?)
    Wol Euler: "you don't have to ask what that noise was, and he doesn'T have to tell you, because every cell in your body is screaming at you"
    Wol Euler: fortunately, it went away.
    Wol Euler: but she experienced herself that day as not-human, as a little furry animal in desperate and very real fear of its life
    Fefonz Quan throws a pillow at Fefonz
    Wol Euler: when she went back to England, within six months she broke up with her boyfriend, sold her apartment, quit her job, moved out of london, enrolled in art college and outed herself as a lesbian
    Wol Euler: so "meeting a lion" became a touchstone for dramatic change of life
    Archmage Atlantis: Makes perfect sense to me
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Wol Euler: she became very much happier, without having been aware that she was unhappy before
    Archmage Atlantis: nicely said, Wol
    Fefonz Quan: i thought the non-human pointed at being a lion, so guess i missed the point
    Fefonz Quan: yes, fascinating story
    Wol Euler: oh no :) the lion was just the catalyst
    Fefonz Quan: yes i get that now
    Wol Euler: she dropped being human, dropped having ideas about her future and her present and her habits and beliefs
    Wol Euler: hello agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello there :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi everyone
    Fefonz Quan likes the difference between stopped and dropped
    Archmage Atlantis: I would only disagree with you one one point, Wol......that she dropped being human........to me, she became huma
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Fonzie
    arabella Ella: Hiya Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara :)
    Wol Euler: yes, arch, you could see it that way too.,
    Archmage Atlantis: nods
    Mickorod Renard: hi ags
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Mick
    Zon Quar: agatha
    arabella Ella: nice quick change Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    arabella Ella: at first i thought Ags had wings :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Quick draw McGraw
    Agatha Macbeth: I do ;-)
    Wol Euler: Eos and Tarmel and somebody else had already seen Inception and kept talking about how good it was, and how it related to PaB
    Wol Euler: so we decided to go together to see it on Wednesday afternoon.
    Wol Euler: it's a great film, highly recommended. Lots to think about, even apart from its relation to dreams and Being
    Fefonz Quan: ah, Tarmel wa in the retreat too?
    Wol Euler: oh, right, Maxine was the third person who'd seen it.
    Wol Euler: yes.
    Agatha Macbeth: She was?
    Wol Euler: maxine, pema, tarmel, eos, eliza, corvi, and myself
    Agatha Macbeth: The magnificent 7
    Wol Euler: indeed.
    Agatha Macbeth: Or the 7 samurai
    Fefonz Quan: Oh, what a fine company
    Wol Euler: we were, definitely.
    Archmage Atlantis: Or the 7 deadly sins
    Agatha Macbeth: 7 wonders of the world?
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Archmage Atlantis: The first prime number after 5
    Agatha Macbeth: And before 11
    Archmage Atlantis: yeppers
    Fefonz Quan: 11?
    Agatha Macbeth: 11 is prime yes?
    Fefonz Quan: ah, sure
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Wol Euler: we were all very much like ourselves.
    Wol Euler: hello corvi!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Corv :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Corvi!
    Mickorod Renard: hiya corvi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hey ya'll! *waves*
    Qt Core: Hi Corvi
    Fefonz Quan: (is that a new av?)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Corvi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: not new..just I don't come much as Corey
    Fefonz Quan: i see
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Wol Euler: people were asking about the diamond sutra exercises on tuesday, do you remember enough to describe them?
    Archmage Atlantis: then it is an honor to see another aspect
    Agatha Macbeth will be right back.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles warmly at arch.
    Agatha Macbeth hath returned
    Wol Euler cheers
    Agatha Macbeth: What's a diamond sutra?
    Archmage Atlantis: Bruce......is my memory correct........people have outhouses where your FL body is? Or was that metaphorical?
    Wol Euler: it's one of the core buddhist texts, a discussion of impermanence and the non-essentialness of what we loosely think of as "us"
    Agatha Macbeth: I see
    Wol Euler: (I paraphrase slightly)
    Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
    Wol Euler: I'm not a buddhist, I'm the wrong person to ask to explain it well
    Agatha Macbeth: No, you're a warthog dear
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler: I was thinking about what we did at the retreat. The forest was really central to the week
    Archmage Atlantis: A disney warthog, or a one that has a body that does what must be done to live in this oooze?
    Wol Euler: an image I had while meditating actually, or rather while whining about the trouble I was having meditating
    Wol Euler: a real warthog, though, one with bristles and mud.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, like the wild boar that live here, ok
    Wol Euler: we walked in the forest nearly every day, alone or in small groups
    Mickorod Renard: they are quite horny too
    Wol Euler: on the first morning, Jim (owner) came to meet us and took us on a tour of the forest
    Wol Euler: there was an amazing overlap between his forest practice and what we are doing.
    Wol Euler: Monday's 1pm session has a lot of information about this, including long quotes by Eliza from Jim's writings about forestnes
    Wol Euler: *forest-ness
    arabella Ella: oh yes the rotting log thing you said the other day is fascinating Wol
    Agatha Macbeth thinks of Ents
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, that arose from the first walk
    Archmage Atlantis: ( that is how you tell the males from the females, Mic.........though most dislike being classified by being sexually aroused :) )
    Wol Euler: it was a very wet forest, there was moss everywhere and a few streams
    Wol Euler: and a little shrine to Kami beside one of them
    Mickorod Renard: :)))
    Agatha Macbeth: Cute
    Wol Euler: the paths were laid in sawdust from the mill, so it was very soft underfoot everywhwere
    Mickorod Renard: was it misty too?
    Wol Euler: and very quiet
    Wol Euler: in places,yes
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Agatha Macbeth: Mirkwood
    Wol Euler: there is very little topsoil there, where water flowed it cut straight down an inch or two to black rock
    Wol Euler: the streams were very beautiful
    Wol Euler: and becaose of the water flowing around and pooling under rocks, there was a lot of lovely sound too
    arabella Ella: did you have a silent day? or perhaps two?
    Wol Euler: thursday was silent, from daybreak to *after* dinner
    Wol Euler: it was wonderful experience, just as in malta
    arabella Ella: *after* dinner sounds so tough ... remembering how difficult it was and how weird people thought we were :)
    Wol Euler: I found myself trying to be quiet as well as silent, walking cautiously, putting things down carefully
    Wol Euler: well, we had dinner amongst ourselves in the farmhouse
    Wol Euler: so there was nobody to judge
    Wol Euler: the caterers were also really into PaB
    Wol Euler: they had been on silent retreats together, so they were very sympathetic
    Mickorod Renard: will the grman retreat av a silent period?
    Mickorod Renard: German*
    Wol Euler: definitely.
    Mickorod Renard: may be too tough for me then
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i think that´s tradition :)
    Wol Euler: you'd be surprised how easy it is
    Wol Euler: I found myself being silent on the friday morning too, it just seemed natural not to speak
    Mickorod Renard: maybe it will be easier if Ara isnt there?
    Agatha Macbeth can't imagine Wol not speaking
    arabella Ella giggles
    Mickorod Renard: joking
    Wol Euler: :-PPPPPPP
    Mickorod Renard: sort of
    Archmage Atlantis: Joking is a form of aggression, imho
    Wol Euler: it certainly can be, arch.
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i am sure u r right arch
    Agatha Macbeth: Agression may be a form of joking too
    Mickorod Renard: depends how u take it
    arabella Ella: no comment
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Die laughing?'
    Mickorod Renard: shaken or stirred
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it can also be affection.
    Wol Euler: also true, corvi.
    Wol Euler: like a smile can warm you or cut you
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Wol Euler: depending on how it's given
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, if the individual who is struck, wishes it
    Yakuzza Lethecus dies from laughing....
    Agatha Macbeth: Like that in fact...
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Mickorod Renard: I dont know if i would want to live in a world without humour though
    Wol Euler: god no.
    Agatha Macbeth: I sure wouldn't
    Mickorod Renard: maybe its diferent in the uk
    Archmage Atlantis: Meep Meep - a magic incantation the still influences, but not longer controls
    arabella Ella: isnt laughing healthy?
    Agatha Macbeth: It is for me
    Wol Euler smiles
    arabella Ella: me too
    Mickorod Renard: I get the stitch sometimes
    Agatha Macbeth: Mending yer trousers Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: thats that pain u get when u laugh too much
    Zon Quar: bows and waves
    Mickorod Renard: bye zon
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Zon
    arabella Ella: bye Zon
    Wol Euler: bye zon
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Zon
    Archmage Atlantis: biya Zon
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,i am off clubbing
    Wol Euler: well, that's never happened before. A circle of yellow dots on the minimap, no greet at all <3
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Mic
    Wol Euler: bye mick, dance well.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Mick, have fun.
    Wol Euler: *green
    Agatha Macbeth: I can see a green one
    Mickorod Renard: ty byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't get a hernia Mick
    Mickorod Renard: might get a matching one
    arabella Ella: bye Mick
    Archmage Atlantis: Just take Aggie
    Qt Core: bye Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Take me where?
    Wol Euler: ty qt :)
    Wol Euler: wb fef
    Qt Core: ym
    Qt Core: i was guilty of breaking simmetry when i come here ;-)
    Wol Euler: you have made amends.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh the shame, QT
    Agatha Macbeth fires all phasers at QT
    Fefonz Quan: hi again
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: wb!
    Archmage Atlantis: I would help if you spelll it correctly, QT......or was that the point?
    Fefonz Quan: i experienced the implication of karma
    Fefonz Quan: (sorry please go on QT)
    arabella Ella: gtg bye all
    Wol Euler: ((did Bert just leave without saying goodbye?))
    Archmage Atlantis: It is odd, Fefonz speaks, yet I speak to QT
    Fefonz Quan: bye Arabella!
    Wol Euler: bye ara, take care
    Qt Core: bye ara (nothing more to say for me)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night ara
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ara, take care
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
    Wol Euler: 'night yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Yaku
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Night Yaku, (ara in absentia)
    Fefonz Quan: (sorry Arch, when i jumped back in i coudn't see who is speaking)
    Fefonz Quan: nite Yaku
    Fefonz Quan: don'[t worry, some symetries are apontanously broken :)
    Fefonz Quan: spontanously*
    Qt Core: as most of my spellin ;-)
    Qt Core: g
    Archmage Atlantis: The root of being, it is hard and raw, we are dragonfies, striking at the mosquitoes,,,,,they will will win.....but we shall triump
    Agatha Macbeth likes dragonflies
    Archmage Atlantis: Me too
    Wol Euler: mosquitoes were a meme at the retreat too
    Archmage Atlantis: They eat mosquitoes, a conundurm of living....perhaps our most difficult.
    Wol Euler: whether to brush them aside, or kill them, or let them feed in peace
    Archmage Atlantis: I must go now
    Qt Core: bye arch
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye for now, Arch. Enjoy your eve.
    Wol Euler: 'night arch, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arch, enjoy
    Fefonz Quan: that's a good contemplation conflict Wol
    Fefonz Quan: bye Arch
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Fefonz Quan: I worked with flies once, a little easier though
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: *Worked* with them?
    Fefonz Quan: meditated when one flew around me, set on my face etc.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh...that was in California!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: wasn't it?
    Fefonz Quan: though, unlike mosquitos, they don't bite you
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like it ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: yep!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire remembers that little booger.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: those retreats have something with insects, don't they?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: a theme!
    Fefonz Quan: Insection
    Wol Euler: APIPB
    Agatha Macbeth: Of course
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehehe
    Agatha Macbeth shrugs
    Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks that has to go in the report.
    Wol Euler: Apreciate the Presence of Insects as a Presentation by Being
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire scribbles these things down.
    Agatha Macbeth: Shoulda known that
    Fefonz Quan: (what has to go Corvi?)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the meme's of insects in meditation, and APIPB
    Fefonz Quan: ah, i thought you meant the shat log here, sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: The what log??
    Corvuscorva Nightfire dies laughing.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: because he is an awful man.
    Fefonz Quan dodges PaB gardian tasks
    Agatha Macbeth: William shat log?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: would you shat up?
    Agatha Macbeth: Last week we had Kiki with her spaceshit...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs and laughs.
    Qt Core: time to go, bye all
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am afraid we have devolved.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: good timing QT!
    Agatha Macbeth: Live long and prosper QT
    Fefonz Quan: bye Qt
    Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
    Qt Core: >:-) Agatha
    Fefonz Quan is glad he didn't leave 10 min ago when he meant too
    Bruce Mowbray: Everyone have a good day. . . time for supper.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmmm...
    Wol Euler: bye bruce, bon appetit
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: fooooood.
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care Brucie
    Fefonz Quan: but now it's time, to sleep, night Corvi and Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonz
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: sleep well, dear Fefonz.
    Wol Euler: goodnight fef, sleep well
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Shall we?
    Wol Euler: let's do

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