2010.08.14 07:00 - if I can laugh I know I am okay

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bertram Jacobus. The comments are by Bertram Jacobus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi qt
    Qt Core: Hi Yaku
    Qt Core: i'm listening to some music (more than usual that is) in these days... it feel so wrong now to have a music background during session!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, yes in principle we should see and watch whats there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hear the fan of my 8800gt which is pretty loud
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my eyes feel a bit tired
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have thoughts on my sitting position
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i think if i drank too much coffee already
    Qt Core: pc fans are standard background ;-)
    Qt Core: hi Genesis
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey gen
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what a rare guest :)
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I have a little vacation time for the next couple of weeks on CA time
    genesis Zhangsun: hey Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku Qt Gen :)
    Qt Core: hi Agatha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi aga
    Agatha Macbeth: How are we?
    Qt Core: hi Bert
    Yakuzza Lethecus: anyone applied for this spot ?
    Bertram Jacobus: hy aga gen qt and yaku :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Berti! :)
    genesis Zhangsun: HI Bertram!
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: thx. better now - how are you !? :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: No shorts today?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: me ? ist 3/4 shorts
    Agatha Macbeth: i like the others better
    Agatha Macbeth: (Where's he gone?)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Bertram Jacobus: searching ...
    Bertram Jacobus: mixin up ... :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: dis one ?
    Agatha Macbeth: I didn't say you need to wear them ;-))
    Bertram Jacobus: correct
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bertram Jacobus: hy bruce
    genesis Zhangsun: was anyone here at the last retreat?
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bruce and blub soon :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hey Brucie
    Qt Core: hi Bruce (no, genesis)
    genesis Zhangsun: do we know who went?
    Bertram Jacobus: but i have new "shoes" *whisper* @ aggers ... :o)
    Agatha Macbeth: There were 7 altogether
    Bertram Jacobus: hi adoro ! :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: none of us went to the retreat
    Agatha Macbeth: (Ok Bert)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi adoro
    adoro Rhapsody: hi all
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi adoro!
    Qt Core: hi adoro
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ade
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, adoro.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bruce ur kinda transparent :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Pema, Eos, Eliza...who were the four others?
    Bertram Jacobus: flip flops lol they were free. now i´ll be silent with such, sry :o)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol and tarmel
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wol,maxine
    Agatha Macbeth: Max yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Corvi too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sophia sharon
    Agatha Macbeth: Sharon didn't go, she couldn't get a passport in time
    genesis Zhangsun: ah okay great thanks
    genesis Zhangsun: were there any interesting reports?
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol said she really misses the food and the hugs :)
    Bertram Jacobus: has been an huggin retreat ? :-)
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like it
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting ... malta was kinda different then i´d say ... yaku ? ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, yes of course
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the stuttgart retreat will be more like nova scotia
    Bertram Jacobus: i see what you mean. more at one place, right ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if i fly ofter the atlantic i would like to see something
    Yakuzza Lethecus: an off the grid retreat is tempting but i have to consider expenses
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    genesis Zhangsun: will anyone here be going to stuttgart?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
    Agatha Macbeth points to Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: aga: wouldn´t you like to leave ur little island ?
    Agatha Macbeth ponders
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to join the stuttgart retreat, too. hope my work situation will allow it, don´t know it yet ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, there's always the work angle to consider
    genesis Zhangsun: yes indeed
    genesis Zhangsun: work in our time is very demanding
    genesis Zhangsun: leaves little time for the luxury of being
    Bertram Jacobus: more or less. yes ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bertram Jacobus: but should not be that way
    Agatha Macbeth: We should work to live, not live to work
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: so good to try again and again to make the circumstances a bit less binding
    genesis Zhangsun: absolutely
    genesis Zhangsun: sometimes I wonder though who I think is holding the whip behind me and the carrot in front of me
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Bertram Jacobus: there are voices who say in the end that would be always we ourselves ...
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Bertram I hear those voices too ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: i find that interesting to consider ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and to research
    Bertram Jacobus: to contemplate about such
    genesis Zhangsun: maybe why we are here?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. one point. to me
    genesis Zhangsun: before I started meditation I always had the nagging feeling that I was playing tricks on myself
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! ;-)
    genesis Zhangsun: then during meditation it became clear that I was
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: nice that you can write "was" :-)
    genesis Zhangsun: and now I meditate much less than I use to and I laugh at myself playing tricks on myself
    genesis Zhangsun: so no "was" is not accurate
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - but ... (words sometimes are silly) ... :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: i mean : my words :-)
    genesis Zhangsun: awareness can be quite humorous
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! humor is an astonishing mean ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: tool
    genesis Zhangsun: if I can laugh I know I am okay
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ Gen
    Bertram Jacobus: "sure" - and interesting, at the same time - nice insight ! :-)
    genesis Zhangsun: I mean life is really quite funny it would be shame to miss that, I mean look at this moment: I am passing my time in a serene virtual temple chatting with beautiful avatars :)
    genesis Zhangsun: about the meaning of life no less
    genesis Zhangsun: it would be a pity to miss the humor in that
    Agatha Macbeth: It would certainly be a shame to miss that!
    genesis Zhangsun: finding something real in the virtual
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the communication is always real
    genesis Zhangsun: what a pleasant joke the universe plays!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we also don´t consider a phonecall as virtual
    genesis Zhangsun: yes no doubt Yakuzza
    Agatha Macbeth: There's always something real to be found
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: what may be the essence of jokes ? is there one ? common one ? ...
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a toughie bert
    Agatha Macbeth: Everybody finds different things funny
    Bertram Jacobus: may be it´s the power of transformation so to say ?
    adoro Rhapsody: sounds good
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Qt Core: or making people notice things that in plain "prose" may offend ?
    Qt Core: maybe that;'s more on the satire side
    genesis Zhangsun: jokes can have negative connotation, like "the jokes on you"
    genesis Zhangsun: but they can also be a gentle way of getting someone to see something they would not have otherwise
    adoro Rhapsody: but positive jokes with you
    adoro Rhapsody: jokes can exclude other vpeople
    adoro Rhapsody: people
    adoro Rhapsody: and make the groupfeeling stronger
    genesis Zhangsun: thats a good point adoro
    adoro Rhapsody: than WE have a good deeling of humor
    adoro Rhapsody: feeling
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, thx to textchat logging and alike there won´t be impolite jokes around here :)
    adoro Rhapsody: or sense of humor
    adoro Rhapsody: sure so its controleble
    genesis Zhangsun: or maybe thnx to the kind of people that PaB attracts
    Agatha Macbeth: True that, Gen
    Qt Core: that depend also on everyone piliteness treshold
    adoro Rhapsody: ok thats an art on itself
    Bertram Jacobus: may be both more or less ;-)
    genesis Zhangsun: I just found this interesting link from Osho, not a big fan but seems relevant
    adoro Rhapsody: but the essence of joke is that its funny
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. agree. "but what´s the essence of funny?" - and so on (rhethorical) ... ;o)
    genesis Zhangsun: When laughter comes out of silence you are not laughing at anybody's cost, you are simply laughing at the whole cosmic joke. And it really is a joke! That's why I go on telling jokes to you... because jokes carry more than any scriptures. It is a joke because inside you you have everything, and you are searching everywhere. What else should a joke be? You are a king and acting like a beggar in the streets; not only acting, not only deceiving others, but deceiving yourself that you are a beggar. You have the source of all knowledge and are asking questions; you have the knowing self and think that you are ignorant; you have the deathless within you and are afraid and fearful of death and disease.
    Qt Core: has anyone saw more than the hair, shoulders and ribbon of Bruce ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus dies from laughing....
    adoro Rhapsody: no
    genesis Zhangsun: hehe
    adoro Rhapsody: amused to death ?
    Agatha Macbeth would have to think bout that
    Bertram Jacobus: no qt :-)
    adoro Rhapsody dies from laughing....
    Agatha Macbeth: Dankeschön Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Bertram Jacobus dies from laughing....
    Qt Core: doesn't jokes, especially the one based on two complete meaning of a word/phrase a zen like essence too ?
    adoro Rhapsody: thanks
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bitte sehr
    adoro Rhapsody: now starts my second second life
    Agatha Macbeth dies from laughing....
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but of course i don´t want to increase the mortality in the pab circle
    Agatha Macbeth: Cute
    genesis Zhangsun: Sorry for doing another big post but I thought this was also relevant
    genesis Zhangsun: when Rinzai became enlightened he asked for a cup of tea. His disciples said, "This seems to be profane." And he said, "The whole thing was foolishness: the seeking, the seeker, the sought. The whole thing was foolishness. You just give me a cup of tea! None existed. The seeker was false, the sought was false, so of course the seeking was false. It was a cosmic joke." That's why I say there is no purpose -- God is joking with you. The moment you can understand the joke you are enlightened. Then the whole thing becomes a play, even the experience disappears.
    Bertram Jacobus dies from laughing....
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Agatha Macbeth: Bruce dies from laughing invisibly...
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Yaku~ I need to hike withthe dog now.
    Bruce Mowbray: May all be well.
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Agatha Macbeth: The invisible corpse
    adoro Rhapsody: tthe invisible man
    Agatha Macbeth: I've never been hiking with a dog
    adoro Rhapsody: we r all immortal avatars
    Qt Core: how much time it toke to discover that the Invisible Man was dead ?
    Bertram Jacobus: i like the quotes. ty gen. play ... play as being ... :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Tell him i can't see him today'
    adoro Rhapsody: die as being
    Agatha Macbeth: Be as laughing
    adoro Rhapsody: thanks to Beijing
    genesis Zhangsun dies from laughing....
    Agatha Macbeth wonders where beijing comes in
    adoro Rhapsody: Roger waters should have seen us dieing her
    adoro Rhapsody: and come to life again
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Syd Barrett
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, my avatar will die - not immortal . i like the sentence : all things which are composed, will fall again. only what is not composed - won´t fall" ...
    Agatha Macbeth: More his thing
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: creations cannot die because they dont live
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe and whaow - also a nice sentence !
    genesis Zhangsun: but adoro are we not "creations"
    Agatha Macbeth: Whaow indeed
    adoro Rhapsody: but our avatars are
    Agatha Macbeth: And very lovingly created too
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did RP happen last week ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    adoro Rhapsody: what is RP ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Roadside Phil.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: roadside philosophers
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    genesis Zhangsun: I must be going! Nice laughing with you all!
    adoro Rhapsody: thnx
    Bertram Jacobus: bye gen was nice to meet you :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: I will depart too. Take care all
    genesis Zhangsun: nice to meet yo too
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Bertram Jacobus: bye aggers *wave*
    genesis Zhangsun: goodbye Ag
    adoro Rhapsody: nemaste
    Qt Core: bye genesis, have fun!
    genesis Zhangsun: Goodbye all!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye gen
    Qt Core: and bye Agatha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope you find more time for the virtual life :)
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: all europeans here
    Bertram Jacobus: yess ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is britain europe ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: *smiles evil*
    adoro Rhapsody: could be
    Qt Core: it depend on whom you ask that ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: at least its our language for communication
    adoro Rhapsody: so i may thank my teacher english
    adoro Rhapsody: in former times
    adoro Rhapsody: that i can talk to u guys
    Bertram Jacobus: what i wanted already ask since a while plz : is the t shirt you wear related to the zen peacemaker community of bernie glassman roshi adoro ?
    Qt Core: for my english i may thank technical books and HArry Potter fanfiction ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: yes i got it from bruce
    adoro Rhapsody: the peace institute
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting ... great ... ty
    adoro Rhapsody: he is great
    adoro Rhapsody: bruce
    adoro Rhapsody: and now i had something for its pat blub
    adoro Rhapsody: the fish
    Bertram Jacobus: and i learned english in school, from my interests for song texts and in everyday life ... bad enough ...
    adoro Rhapsody: but u learned it very good
    Bertram Jacobus: something ? what is it ?
    adoro Rhapsody: auto didact
    adoro Rhapsody: i sam a videoclip on utube
    Bertram Jacobus: not good enough for my needs sadly - "but okay" - not so important ...
    adoro Rhapsody: youtube
    Qt Core: i studied it in school too, but i was never good, and almost rebuilded it from scratch in the followng years
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - ah yes ? which one ? what is it ? can we see it ? ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: when u search with the words : music miles gohana
    Bertram Jacobus: okay
    adoro Rhapsody: you get a clip of little seamermaid
    adoro Rhapsody: with sond of John miles
    adoro Rhapsody: his song
    adoro Rhapsody: music was my first love
    adoro Rhapsody: song
    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: its wonderful
    Bertram Jacobus: this here (?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W06_bvU9YM
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. it´s lovely :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: i would give it to Bruce instead of the link to x-street wher i could buy a seahorse pat
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am going to depart to
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
    Qt Core: bye yaku
    Bertram Jacobus: bye yaku
    adoro Rhapsody: but i dont know yet hou to spend money in SL
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Qt Core: don't learn it then, it is safer ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: to spend or to earn ? ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Qt Core: just kidding
    adoro Rhapsody: i better learn to earn
    Bertram Jacobus: sl doesn´t require much money i guess ... must not at least
    adoro Rhapsody: but till now i live free in SL
    adoro Rhapsody: i m dutch u see ?
    Bertram Jacobus: and in contrary : one can get a lot for only few (!) i find ...
    Qt Core: and for nothing too
    adoro Rhapsody: just watching not buying
    adoro Rhapsody: nur kucken ja..
    adoro Rhapsody: nichts kaufen
    adoro Rhapsody: dass sind die holländer
    Qt Core: there is a lot of freebies around
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but i like to support the things i like, use and get in the net. like the system of free willingly payment VERY much !
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: think even, that can be a future showing system (!) ...
    adoro Rhapsody: thats a good one
    Qt Core: yes, i have a few dollars and use it to tip for concerts and events
    adoro Rhapsody: its another business model
    Bertram Jacobus: kinda post material ... :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: i wanna sustain SL of course
    adoro Rhapsody: well its time for me to go
    adoro Rhapsody: bye friends
    Qt Core: bye adoro, have fun
    adoro Rhapsody: have a good saturday evening
    adoro Rhapsody: gruss gott
    Bertram Jacobus: sry and bye adoro - for the log ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and "okay" - then i´ll leave, too ... bye qt , nice pab friend ... ;-)
    Qt Core: bye bert :)


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