2010.08.15 07:00 - Calling Being for Help

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    The session started out as a conversation between Gen and myself, soon joined by Yak and adoro and then by Agatha. We picked up more and more avatars until it was time for the guardian session. A group stayed on past the hour for anothe rhalf hour or so.

    Adams Rubble: Oh my!!!!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Genesis :)))
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Adams!
    Adams Rubble: Nice to see you :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Nice to see you too!
    Adams Rubble: How are things?
    genesis Zhangsun: Good, very busy as usual but I am on vacation for a couple of weeks in California
    Adams Rubble: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: how are you doing?
    Adams Rubble: I hope you have acclimated to your new location and job
    Adams Rubble: I am well, thank you :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha and Yak :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Agatha and Yaku

    I started the conversation off with a recent experience of mine

    Adams Rubble: I have a new exploraation suggested by the author of the "Clouds of Knowing"
    Adams Rubble: It began with his talking about prayer (a sensitive subject in PaB-hehe)
    Adams Rubble: he talked about being in a burning building
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Yaku, gen
    Adams Rubble: I am just beginning talking about an inspiration from the medieval English "Clouds of Unknowing"
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Not familiar with it I'm afraid
    Adams Rubble: If you were in a burning building you would not give a long speech on how the fire started, how dangerous it was and how you wish you were somewhere else or that the fire would just stop
    Adams Rubble: you would yell :help" or "fire", the latter usually getting good results
    Adams Rubble: the author suggested the same if we approach God or Being
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Adams Rubble: that a one syllable word would do much better
    Agatha Macbeth: I would probably yel 'SHIT!'
    Adams Rubble: he suggested just "God" or "Love"
    Agatha Macbeth: yell
    Adams Rubble: :) Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Adams Rubble: not sure that would get results :)
    Adams Rubble: anyway I tried the latter
    Adams Rubble: especially at times when I feel troubled or agitaed
    Adams Rubble: I am finding a great peacefulness when I do that
    Adams Rubble: can almost feel the waters calm
    Agatha Macbeth: Well that's good to hear :)

    Are prayer and mantra related?

    Adams Rubble: I wonder if it might be similar to a mantra in a way
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess many things can function on that level
    Adams Rubble: It changes the view of the whole world
    Adams Rubble: well, that's how I am (hehe)
    Adams Rubble: How are you Agatha?
    Agatha Macbeth: We each go at these things from a diffent perspective I think
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm fine thanks :)
    Adams Rubble: We all need to find what works for us
    Agatha Macbeth: True yes
    Agatha Macbeth: What many people forget is that works for them doesn't necessarily work for others
    Agatha Macbeth: Everyone is different
    Adams Rubble: different and the same :)
    Adams Rubble: It is a great mystery
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed:)

    Gen has a simlar experience with a mantra

    genesis Zhangsun: I could make the connection between the one word technique and mantra
    genesis Zhangsun: similar to saying the one word, mantra for me at least, brings into focus more authentically on what is happening
    genesis Zhangsun: I can feel my energy which is usually spread thinly over a million different thoughts and perceptions return to me
    genesis Zhangsun: return to a center
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: For myself it is intersting to think of it as a way of calling for help, and maybe more importantly that help comes so quickly..harnassing the power of Being
    Adams Rubble: Hello adoro :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ado
    genesis Zhangsun: hi adoro
    Agatha Macbeth: Afternoon Adoro :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It's certainly an ineresting idea Adams
    genesis Zhangsun: Adams when you call for help, do you feel it is to sense of Being outside of you or inside of you? I realize there really is no distinction but perhaps interesting to note which one
    adoro Rhapsody: hi there
    Adams Rubble: Interesting question Gen :)
    Adams Rubble: I think I directed it outside; I did not think about it
    Adams Rubble: maybe that will become clearer
    genesis Zhangsun: mantra is often used I believe with the intention of invoking a deity
    Agatha Macbeth: Was that just me, or the whole sim that crashed?
    Adams Rubble: Most traditions have room for the belief that the deity is within us too; that we are the deity
    Adams Rubble: wb Agatha. just you
    Agatha Macbeth: Damn
    Adams Rubble: Hello Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Sunday again...
    genesis Zhangsun: hi bruce
    adoro Rhapsody: hi bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Brucie
    Adams Rubble: Often the browser tells one the im has crashed
    Adams Rubble: Hello Dash :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone.
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Dash
    Adams Rubble: welcome Dash. Have you been here before?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes he has Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: I see a friend of yakuzza
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Dash
    Dash Earthboy: you too Adams
    Adams Rubble: I will try to make a notecard to bring you up to date
    Dash Earthboy: 'sup?
    genesis Zhangsun: in a way perhaps the mantra is that recognition that there is no distinction between the inner and outer, subject and object, that we may be the experiencer of an "experience" which seems outside of us but when invoking a deity or being we reminded that there is no separation between us and the experience, hence no one to suffer the experience
    genesis Zhangsun: *are reminded
    genesis Zhangsun: and hence nothing to do, no "fixing needed"
    Adams Rubble thinking
    Agatha Macbeth hears the wheels turning....:)
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Dash Earthboy: smells the rubber burning
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa

    Rocket Science..I mean it as an idiom or metaphor for complicated but it turns out to change the direcction of the discussion

    Adams Rubble: not rocket science, or is it?
    genesis Zhangsun: brb
    Agatha Macbeth: Rocket science is all about mass ratios :p
    genesis Zhangsun: back
    Adams Rubble: It is all much less complicated than our little brains usually try to make it :)
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps more to do with feeling than thinking?
    Dash Earthboy: i like the way rocket science was described in the movie "October Sky"
    Agatha Macbeth: ??
    Bruce Mowbray: say more, please, Dash.
    Agatha Macbeth: I need to ask Gaya about that one ;-)
    Dash Earthboy: mostly numbers and physics
    Dash Earthboy: i don't see any discussion of deities being a matter of numbers except in how people assign the numbers to special meanings
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, numerology?
    Dash Earthboy: like the numbers 12 in Jewish religion
    Agatha Macbeth: Or 666 [grin]
    Dash Earthboy: numerology is a nice practice
    adoro Rhapsody: or 69
    Dash Earthboy: yes
    Adams Rubble: Of course I was using rocket science as an idiom for complicated
    Agatha Macbeth: Pythagoras was really into it
    Dash Earthboy: yes Pythagoras really was
    genesis Zhangsun: so Adams you are moving towards simplicity?
    Dash Earthboy: i lean more to Socrates
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless him
    Adams Rubble: I always have been rather simple (giggles)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw
    genesis Zhangsun: hehe I would beg to difer ;)
    adoro Rhapsody: simple minded is root of all eveil
    adoro Rhapsody: evil
    Adams Rubble: don't let aappearances fool you. hehe
    adoro Rhapsody: we r all appearences here
    Agatha Macbeth: I always think of simplicity as the essence of perfection
    adoro Rhapsody: my grandmother did so too
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    genesis Zhangsun: grandmothers are usually right
    Adams Rubble sings "Tis a gift to be simple, Tis a gift to be free...
    adoro Rhapsody: it was the essence of the real
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Dash Earthboy: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: sure i respect grandmothers
    adoro Rhapsody: my wife is one
    Agatha Macbeth: I miss mine

    genesis Zhangsun: mine is crazy which makes her totally incoherent 98% of the time and 2% absolute genius
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds about the right ratio Gen :)
    adoro Rhapsody: still crazy after all those years
    Adams Rubble: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: thats the new reality
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: we have to cope with that
    adoro Rhapsody: and we can
    adoro Rhapsody: when we share our experiences
    adoro Rhapsody: all of us have parents
    adoro Rhapsody: some of us have kids
    adoro Rhapsody: amen
    Adams Rubble: Children tend to forget their parents are just as changeable as they are
    Adams Rubble: it can be a shock
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    genesis Zhangsun: yes until they have kids themselves
    adoro Rhapsody: they are humans too
    genesis Zhangsun: lately the biggest shock for me is how much I have become my parents
    adoro Rhapsody: me too
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Dash Earthboy: imitation is the sinceerest form of flattery
    adoro Rhapsody: the lates thing i wanted was to be like my father
    Agatha Macbeth: I often seem to be cecoming my mother ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: becoming
    Adams Rubble: Hello Blissful
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bliss
    genesis Zhangsun: hi Blissful
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bliss
    Bruce Mowbray: Same here, adoro -- and I think I've done an excellent job of NOT being like him.
    adoro Rhapsody: but now i am more like him than i ever would think
    Dash Earthboy: hi blissful
    Blissful Badger: Hello
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Blissful.
    genesis Zhangsun: yes except adoro you can see it when he could not!
    adoro Rhapsody: but we are both of our father and mother
    Adams Rubble: Welcome Blissful. Have you been here before?
    genesis Zhangsun: this is the thing that is most frustrating, is seeing what you are doing!
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: the mirror effect
    Blissful Badger: are you talking about your parents?
    adoro Rhapsody: or inner reflexion
    Blissful Badger: yes adams. thanks for asking
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Bliss
    genesis Zhangsun: for example last night I was complaining to my husband about my parents behavior and after listening he said, sounds like you and laughed!
    genesis Zhangsun: I had to laugh too because I could see his point
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: In this week's Time Magic exercise, we allow ourselves to "be seen" -- (come out of hiding, as it were) and let ourselves be seen by things outside us.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Blissful Badger: what was the result Bruce?
    adoro Rhapsody: comimg out of the box
    Bruce Mowbray: One thing that might surprise us (as genesis has just pointed out) is that we are seen differently than we see ourselves.
    Agatha Macbeth: true
    Adams Rubble: yes
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bruce Mowbray: There's a real SHIFT - for me, anyway.
    Blissful Badger: I don't know whether that is good or bad
    Bruce Mowbray: I can feel it instantly.
    Blissful Badger: feel what exactly?
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't think it is either 'good' or 'bad' -- It's just a shift in the way we are conscious of ourselves.
    Bruce Mowbray: I can feel the "shift" instantly.
    Adams Rubble: People can take one aspect of us though and that is what they see. May not be all of us
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that 'shift' int he way Liza uses the term?
    Dash Earthboy: when i have recorded people, i've noticed they instantly see themselves differently than they had if not recorded before
    Bruce Mowbray: working with the experiment: Let yourself be seen by a tree -- Let yourself be seen by the ear, sky, stars....
    Adams Rubble: so we are like our parents in some ways, and in others we have drawn a distinction
    Bruce Mowbray: Come out of hiding... There is definitely a big shift, there.
    adoro Rhapsody: the hawthorn effect
    Bruce Mowbray: meant to type: by the earth.
    Agatha Macbeth: What's the Hawthorn effect Ade?
    Blissful Badger: We become self consious- like a child that becomes aware that it is being watched.
    Blissful Badger: The child behaves differently
    adoro Rhapsody: attention gives more quality
    Blissful Badger: Tp please others
    Dash Earthboy: or aggravate them
    Blissful Badger: To please
    Bruce Mowbray: The Hawthorn effect, as I understand it, is that organisms behave differently when the realize they are being observed..
    Blissful Badger: yes perhaps. depends if you're a girl or boy!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah I see, ty
    genesis Zhangsun: yes ty
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe so Bliss :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Like, go outside at night and watch lightning bugs with a flashlight (a torch) -- and their behavior will change.
    Blissful Badger: that's what I was describing
    Adams Rubble: Bruce's exercise seems to be more a way of looking
    Agatha Macbeth: We don't have them here unforunately
    Blissful Badger: how will the behaviour of lightening change Bruce?
    adoro Rhapsody: workers that have been watched made more production
    Adams Rubble: looking at ourselves from a different perspective
    Dash Earthboy: actually the flashlight is a confusing signal to the lightning bugs
    Blissful Badger: I think we become more like performers
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Dash Earthboy: not just an obersvation
    Blissful Badger: oh - lightening BUGS I thought you said lightening
    Dash Earthboy: fireflies
    Blissful Badger: do you think bugs are self consious?
    adoro Rhapsody: because they react on light its there nature
    Bruce Mowbray: For me, anyway, the experiment (Time Magic group) this week is showing me a whole different think -- self-consciousness disappears.
    Blissful Badger: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: thing.
    Dash Earthboy: self-consciousness has so far only been attributed to human beings
    adoro Rhapsody: oh thats not a good thing
    Blissful Badger: Fore me it would be reverse. I would become more self consious if I felt I was eing observed
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe the same for self-confidence ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Last week's TIME magazine wrote about primates that immediate begin to groom themselves when a mirror is present to them.
    adoro Rhapsody: angel watching over u may frien
    adoro Rhapsody: friend
    Blissful Badger: Self confidence means you're not always looking overyour shoulder
    Agatha Macbeth: i think i need to shuffle on down to the Village Hall
    Adams Rubble: see you there Agatha
    adoro Rhapsody: on sunday ?
    genesis Zhangsun: oh right! thanks everyone for a great conversation
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye to everyone not attending the Guardian Meeting
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Blissful Badger: Yes it should be an interesting discussion today
    Dash Earthboy: bye aggie
    Bruce Mowbray: It's not really about thinking about YOURSELF being watched -- It is BECOMING the thing that watches (outside your self) Like becoming the tree that watches.
    Bruce Mowbray: by aggers.
    Bruce Mowbray: bye.
    genesis Zhangsun: one thing that struck me about the Hawthorne effect is how similar it is to the "engima" of quantum physics
    Bruce Mowbray: It is a form of contemplation.
    adoro Rhapsody: when u become an inspector ?
    Blissful Badger: Bye all
    genesis Zhangsun: bye!
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    adoro Rhapsody: bliss
    Dash Earthboy: bye blisss
    adoro Rhapsody: thnx
    Adams Rubble: Thank you all for a nice discussion :)
    Dash Earthboy: hi aph
    Adams Rubble: bye for now
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Bliss.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Aph!
    Dash Earthboy: bye adams
    Bruce Mowbray: bye adams.
    Bruce Mowbray: oops, I don't see Aph. Are we hallucinating Aph, Dash?
    Dash Earthboy: no she was here
    Dash Earthboy: behind you
    Bruce Mowbray: ok -- Thanks for the reality check, there.
    Dash Earthboy: maybe she went to the Guardian deal
    Bruce Mowbray: Letting ourselves "see" from a viewpoint outside of ourselves is also a reality check, of corts.
    adoro Rhapsody: of course
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG -- There's a Guardian Meeting -- I forgot!
    Dash Earthboy: hi eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza.
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    adoro Rhapsody: guardians
    Dash Earthboy: leaving adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: no
    adoro Rhapsody: but the guardians do
    Dash Earthboy: oh
    adoro Rhapsody: i thought
    Bruce Mowbray: Then I shall also stay. I missed the guardian meeting last week, also.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi guys, see you soon
    adoro Rhapsody: hi
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Eliza.
    Dash Earthboy: i don't understand what others find mysterious about change
    Bruce Mowbray: In last night's session, there was some talk about seeing meteors -- and also some talk about "being seen by meteors."
    adoro Rhapsody: change is nature
    Bruce Mowbray: who finds "change" to be mysterious, Dash?
    adoro Rhapsody: change is life
    adoro Rhapsody: change is chance
    Bruce Mowbray: chaotic change is what disturbs people. . .
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry ofcourse
    Dash Earthboy: so why would children find their parents' ability to change so unusual?
    adoro Rhapsody: controled changes
    Dash Earthboy: somebody said children feel that way earlier
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps, Dash, because what is really changing is not the parents -- but the children'sperception of their parents.
    adoro Rhapsody: because they had another picture of their parents
    adoro Rhapsody: when they were young
    Dash Earthboy: and?
    Bruce Mowbray: They had been "bigger than life" and "idols" throughou8t childhood - and then when the kids grew up and came to understand more, they realized that the parents were really human - just like everyone else.
    Bruce Mowbray: so what changed was the children, not the parents.
    adoro Rhapsody: when kids grow older they see parents as perfect
    Dash Earthboy: yes, that's something I realized a long time ago
    adoro Rhapsody: as less perfrect
    Bruce Mowbray: It can be a severe problem, though.
    Dash Earthboy: so I didn't understand why others would say the children are surprised to see their parents are as changeable as they are
    Bruce Mowbray: for example, with child abuse --
    adoro Rhapsody: ok dash and bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: the child HAS to "love" and depend upon a parent who is not acting in the child's welfare.
    Bruce Mowbray: so the child splits.
    adoro Rhapsody: there we have in unbalance between love and power
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, adoro.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also sneaking over to the guardina session
    Bruce Mowbray: but the child is not yet mature enough to understand what's going on.
    Dash Earthboy: bye yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bruce have you ever been there ?
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Bruce Mowbray: ok Yaku. Give hugs to the guardians for me.
    adoro Rhapsody: yak
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I came to one session three weeks ago.
    adoro Rhapsody: child misuse and elderly misuse or disabel misuse
    adoro Rhapsody: are all unbalance between lust and power
    adoro Rhapsody: and innocence
    Bruce Mowbray: The abused child "knows" what is happening but cannot yet "acknowledge" the fact that he is being abused -- by grownups upon whom he depends for his survival.
    adoro Rhapsody: patients cannot either
    Bruce Mowbray: so his psyche splits -- to accommodate the opposites.
    Bruce Mowbray: agreed, adoro.
    adoro Rhapsody: oh how terrible
    Dash Earthboy: so what you're saying Bruce is that the statement "children are surprised to find" was not about the fact that everyone is changeable but rather that they become aware that people they didn't think could change are changing?
    Bruce Mowbray: It is quite similar with abused patients.
    adoro Rhapsody: misuse of trest
    Dash Earthboy: and adoro you're saying that people we should be able to love and trust can hurt us?
    adoro Rhapsody: trust
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: dash
    adoro Rhapsody: u hit the nail
    Bruce Mowbray: well. . . yes, Dash, partly that -- but more the idea that the children themselves are changing - their ability to see what's happening is changing.
    Dash Earthboy: yes, well i knew that about abuse adoro
    Dash Earthboy: so the point bruce is somebody's abillity to understand that change effects everybody?
    Bruce Mowbray: When adbuse it done to children, the wounds are very deep indeed.... and can last for life.
    Dash Earthboy: abuse of parents often does last a lifetime
    Bruce Mowbray: abuse doen BY parents upon their children, yes.
    adoro Rhapsody: and abuse within personell ?
    Dash Earthboy: but I just wanted to make sure I understood what the points were that we were discussing
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Dash Earthboy: change and abuse are two different subjects to me
    Bruce Mowbray: what do mean, adoro "personell"?
    adoro Rhapsody: chief - worker
    Bruce Mowbray: I thought we were talking abou8t "change of perception" --
    adoro Rhapsody: director =secretary
    Bruce Mowbray: in this case, change of the children's perception of their parents.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry for going out of scope
    adoro Rhapsody: its my falling stone
    Bruce Mowbray: adoro -- you mean abuse by an employer or a work supervisor?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: It could be very similar.
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Bruce Mowbray: because the worker is "trapped" in a position of vulnerability.
    Bruce Mowbray: and the consequences of opposing that supervisor could be traumatic.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok so its more than we think
    adoro Rhapsody: in essence the same
    adoro Rhapsody: age doenot matter
    Bruce Mowbray: well, ANY situation in which a trapped, vulnerable person is abused by a person with great power. . .
    adoro Rhapsody: even war
    Bruce Mowbray: I think it can be the same at any age, but children seem to have longer-lasting wounds from it.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, the emotional wounds of war -- the same: being trapped in a vulnerable situation with no control over the outcome.
    Dash Earthboy: isn't "no control over the outcome" a matter of perception?
    adoro Rhapsody: that could be dash !
    Bruce Mowbray: One of the reasons that so many soldiers return home with PTSD is that they have felt helpless to affect their situation -- It is not just "shell-shock" -- It is being helpless.... and it might even have been their commanding officer who did the abuse on them -- not the "enemy"
    adoro Rhapsody: when u feel self confident u dont wanna control everything
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I am sure that "no control" is a matter of perception.
    Dash Earthboy: thanks
    Dash Earthboy: i like to be able to understand what is being said
    Bruce Mowbray: I think it's a matter of finding balance between rigidity on end and chaos on the other.
    adoro Rhapsody: but kids didnt know the could not trust ther paants in this
    Bruce Mowbray: it is sometimes difficult for children (and also for 'trapped' soldiers) to find that balance.
    Dash Earthboy: ying yang stuff
    adoro Rhapsody: TAO
    Bruce Mowbray: well, ideally, the Tao shows us that everything seeks balance.
    Bruce Mowbray: and changes toward achieving that balance.
    Dash Earthboy: and that everything contains opposites
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: But one could argue, I think, that what happens in combat situations is an attempt to upset balance --
    Bruce Mowbray: to force rigidity -- and to bring about chaos.
    Dash Earthboy: not necessarily chaos
    adoro Rhapsody: and that is unbalance
    Bruce Mowbray: to create chaos for the enemy (like using roadsie bombs).
    Dash Earthboy: many fights are about order and control
    adoro Rhapsody: wise words dash
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, but perhaps an example would be helpful here, Dash.
    adoro Rhapsody: and nature teaches us they always follow each other up
    Dash Earthboy: having studied military strategy, I don't see use of roadside bombs as a tool for creating chaos
    Dash Earthboy: i think confusion should not be confused with chaos
    Dash Earthboy: chaos is a state of being
    adoro Rhapsody: said cofucius ?
    Bruce Mowbray: You don't think that alcaida uses IED's to create chaos -- or uses bombs in public markets to create chaos - and and through the chaos, terror?
    adoro Rhapsody: confucius ?
    Dash Earthboy: confusion is a state of our reasoning ability
    adoro Rhapsody: i have to go to eat
    adoro Rhapsody: bye brothers
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, then, "traumatic confusion"
    Dash Earthboy: bye adoro
    adoro Rhapsody: it was great
    Bruce Mowbray: I should be going tothe guardians meeeting/
    Bruce Mowbray: You guys be well and have a good day.

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