2010.08.16 13:00 - Tattoo You

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth. This particular session seemed to comprise three distinct segments: the first ending as Eliza leaves, followed by a somewhat poignant second part, and finally an interesting trialogue between Qt, Adoro and Cal after I left. Read this one through carefully, it is worth it.


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi aga
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again yaku :)
    Agatha Macbeth: How did you say you got your tag purple again?

    Maybe Yaku fell asleep again, as he appeared to miss this question...

    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Berti :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hy aggers and yaku :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert
    Agatha Macbeth: How's bert?


    Agatha Macbeth: And hello Adoro
    Bertram Jacobus: bert is quite ok - ty - and how are the others ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello adoro :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi agatha
    adoro Rhapsody: hello bert
    Agatha Macbeth: All the better for seeing you dear :)
    adoro Rhapsody: i am fine here
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - miss charming ? ... ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Anybody have any good topics tonite?
    adoro Rhapsody: addiction to phiosophy ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Addiction?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes i seem to be addicted to this meetings
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I thought you meant philosophy in general...
    adoro Rhapsody: no just this way of communicating here
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    adoro Rhapsody: it seems i want it every day
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - i must admit, that i´m really not for philosophy here (!) ... ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: It is an interesting thing yes
    adoro Rhapsody: it has a special setting
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, indeed
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. to that i agree :-9
    Agatha Macbeth: The birds and the fountain and everything
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: how long do you ppl this already ?
    Agatha Macbeth: In fact, it is a perfect setting for what it is
    Agatha Macbeth: Well in my case almost a year now
    adoro Rhapsody: me just a few weeks
    Bertram Jacobus: similar here i guess
    adoro Rhapsody: and it does not disturb that it is recorded
    Agatha Macbeth: No, not at all
    adoro Rhapsody: because we r all searching for the essence of some issues
    Agatha Macbeth: It can always be edited later after all...;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi qt
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Sera Qt
    Bertram Jacobus: hey qt :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: bona sera
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Qt Core: 'sera
    Agatha Macbeth: Do you have any worries about the recording then Adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: no not at all
    Agatha Macbeth: ah, good :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I just wondered, since you mentioned it
    adoro Rhapsody: its unique kind of publication
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right, I understand
    Agatha Macbeth: Well actually it isn't unique
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Agatha Macbeth: some of the stuff at Kira Café is also recorded
    adoro Rhapsody: for me als a newcomer it seeem to be unique
    Agatha Macbeth: As for unique in SL, that i am not sure about
    Agatha Macbeth: But I don't know of anywhere else that does it
    adoro Rhapsody: ok, now i wanna hear the others and keep my mouth shut
    Bertram Jacobus: hey ara ! ... :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening Ara :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    arabella Ella: good evening everyone!
    Qt Core: Hi Ara
    Agatha Macbeth: You seem Just So Lovely Ara  (Noting her group tag)
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, she does :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that a group?
    arabella Ella: oh yes Ags glad you like the tag
    arabella Ella: you know how it is when you visit places while exploring and they ask you to join their groups and i liked this tag so i kept it
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, thought so
    Agatha Macbeth: I never join update groups any more
    Agatha Macbeth: got out of the habit long ago

    Eliza twirls in

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again birthday girl :))
    arabella Ella: generally i join and remove them once i leave their sim  (Me too!)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :) Thank you Agatha
    adoro Rhapsody: hi eliza
    Qt Core: birthday girl today on the 16 ?
    adoro Rhapsody: i admire your dress eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: yes , and thanks adoro:)
    Agatha Macbeth: And still eating cake I see...
    adoro Rhapsody: admire
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, am I?
    Qt Core: me too ;-)
    Qt Core: both birthday and cake i mean
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, so I am
    arabella Ella: happy birthday Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Ara, nice to see you :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Was it a biggie today then Liz?
    adoro Rhapsody: sweet sixteen ?


    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that's it
    Agatha Macbeth: I heard a rumour it was one of those ending in 0
    Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza again and again a happy birthday ! ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :) and yes... its a 0
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Bertram Jacobus: and sry adoro - a bit very late this reaction from me to your question from some minutes before - but pab begab in april 2008 - i just looked it up now ... :-)
    arabella Ella: Ags how do you know so much LOL
    Bertram Jacobus: and hello arch :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi arch
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi arch
    Agatha Macbeth: A little bird twittered [grin]
    Qt Core: hi arch, bert
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Archie
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, PaB began on April Fools Day!
    arabella Ella: maybe as GoC you are in a priveleged position too?
    adoro Rhapsody: arch angel on wings
    Agatha Macbeth: How apt eh?
    arabella Ella: Hiya arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, perfect Agatha
    Bertram Jacobus: fools day ? don´t know that (?) ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: it is all a big trick
    arabella Ella likes birds tweeting
    Eliza Madrigal: tricking us awake
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: How are you Arch?
    Eliza Madrigal: brb
    Agatha Macbeth: Be-winged I see
    Archmage Atlantis: What is a big trick, Ara?.......SL, RL, FL ??.........I am dangerous Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth puts up a warning sign
    Archmage Atlantis: No afraid of questions at the moment
    Bertram Jacobus: hi morgano
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok, I won't ask any...
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Morg
    arabella Ella: i did not say that someone else did arch
    adoro Rhapsody: hi morgana
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought i saw someone sprint by
    Qt Core: hi morgano
    arabella Ella: but i think what they meant was that PAB started on 1 April which is All Fools Day
    morgano Bravin: Hello everyone
    arabella Ella: Hiya morgano
    morgano Bravin: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello morgano
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! ty ara for letting me understand ... :-)
    adoro Rhapsody: fata morgano
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, fools answer all questions
    Bertram Jacobus: and hello eden again ... :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Fools ask them too ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi eden
    Yakuzza Lethecus: eden :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :) (back)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Edie
    morgano Bravin: hello eden
    Eden Haiku: Hello everyone :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: friday night is the weekly foolish session :)
    arabella Ella: are you calling me a fool Arch for answering your question?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko

    Like a fool, I had taken it off!

    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, PaB began on April 1, 2008. I was reading the first blog post earlier actually: PaB history: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/hin...ying-as-being/
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and monday night :)
    adoro Rhapsody: crazy monday

    Take two

    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    adoro Rhapsody: its ridiculous
    Eliza Madrigal: uh oh... silliness is like a virus
    Agatha Macbeth: Birthday onigokko
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    adoro Rhapsody: happy onigokko !!!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope nobody steals our pillows now
    Eden Haiku: Yes, you missed that this morning!
    Bertram Jacobus: but being able to laugh - especially about the own sillyness ... important i think -
    Eliza Madrigal is getting dizzy.... onigokko reacting with champagne
    Eden Haiku: Want some more cake guys? For Eliza's birthday?
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    adoro Rhapsody: its so relativating
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes please :)
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    adoro Rhapsody: nothing else matters
    Eliza Madrigal: whew
    Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
    Eden Haiku: Relativating yes Adoro, beautiful new word!
    Bertram Jacobus: sweet silence ... ;o)
    adoro Rhapsody: he it just happend
    Archmage Atlantis: A pleasant b-day to you Eliza, SL or FL?
    Bertram Jacobus: fl
    Eden Haiku: Just click on it and touch to get a slice :)
    Agatha Macbeth: RL
    Bertram Jacobus: fl :-p
    Archmage Atlantis: sees
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I'm 40 today Arch :)
    Bertram Jacobus: rl is everywhere ... :-p
    Eliza Madrigal: And it is a wonderful birthday actually... two parties already
    Agatha Macbeth: When life begins
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Archmage Atlantis: Youngster, smile
    morgano Bravin: happy birthday Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal smiles too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, Eden says I'm officially a grown up today
    Eliza Madrigal: but I feel like a newborn
    Eden Haiku: Do you have great plans for birthday dinner? Monday is not easy that way though...
    Bertram Jacobus: hy cal :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I missed the date I grew up.......oh f....
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Calvino
    Agatha Macbeth grins @ Arch
    adoro Rhapsody: hi cal join the b-party
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no the lama of my temple is in town and teaching, so that will be a gift :)
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow
    Eden Haiku: And it seems it is going to be Eliza's year of enlightenment. I thought she was already ;))))
    Bertram Jacobus: how cool eliza ! :-)
    Agatha Macbeth always confuses lamas with llamas
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, llamas are gifted


    Eliza Madrigal: Oh My... Eden is going to jump out of the cake!
    adoro Rhapsody: peace of cake
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello and happy birthday - is anyone inside the cake?
    Agatha Macbeth: The one-L lama, He's a priest. The two-L llama, He's a beast. And I would bet A silk pajama There isn't any Three-L lllama.
    Archmage Atlantis: You think Aggie.....really
    Agatha Macbeth: Ogden Nash
    Eliza Madrigal: funny that my lama actually has a picture of himself with a llama no his facebook page :) funny guy
    Eliza Madrigal: *on=no
    Agatha Macbeth: But no 3L lllama?
    Eden Haiku: remembers a lama who looked like a llama :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: not yet
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Agatha Macbeth wonders what a 3L lllama would look like
    Archmage Atlantis: Haven't met her yet, so no 3 lllama for me
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah
    Eden Haiku: Lllama is when you reach 3rd dan I guess :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be a mammal with spiritual tendancies
    Archmage Atlantis: A creature of myth
    Eden Haiku: laughs at Aga's remark
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eden Haiku: I think you are the most spiritual Being Agathita :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Lately, I just turn at the rabbit hole without seeing it
    Agatha Macbeth ponders
    Eliza Madrigal: agrees with Eden
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Follow the white rabbit'?
    Eden Haiku: "In the spirit of fun in the fun of spirit" it said at a bar I used to go ;))
    Archmage Atlantis: Lately, he has been a dwarf belgian bunny
    Eliza Madrigal: oh my... just saw what you named the log Eden! eek ((( )))
    Agatha Macbeth watches Morgano swallowing cake
    Eden Haiku: wondering how it looks like
    Archmage Atlantis: with cure flooply ears
    Eden Haiku: I know, but no pressure Eliza, I think you are already there. No worries!
    Eden Haiku: Already enlightened (((Eliza)))))
    arabella Ella: what did you name the log then Eliza?
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww, sweet
    Agatha Macbeth: Let's hope it's true :p
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden gives me the present of seeing me at the end
    Eden Haiku: I called it 'The Year of Her Enlightenment" Ara
    morgano Bravin: yummy cake
    Eliza Madrigal: dessert before dinner :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The dessert song
    Archmage Atlantis: I think, you may mean, Agie, lets hop it's true
    Agatha Macbeth groans
    arabella Ella: lovely title Eden
    Archmage Atlantis: You started the puns.....I only followed
    Eliza Madrigal: Starting at the end to some extend does mean that we see each other as lacking nothing :)
    Eliza Madrigal: *extent
    Eliza Madrigal: not 'on the way' anywhere
    Agatha Macbeth: I need to think about that Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: so it is a beautiful blessing :)
    Archmage Atlantis: yes, tis, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Am I too serious today? birthday hazard :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Naww
    Eden Haiku: Too serious, you ??? No way !
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Bertram Jacobus: the party pooper title belongs to me plz ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: how so Bert? :) have a topic? heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Do you poop at parties Bert?
    Bertram Jacobus: i got it looong time ago from a canadian guy and liked it at once ! :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, with Canadians anything is possible [grin]
    Eliza Madrigal now considers herself honorary Canadian, feeling quite at home in Nova Scotia :)
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, with the rotting logs...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: And the blueberries
    Eden Haiku: And the beautiful mushrooms...
    Archmage Atlantis: Still in US, thought I might go to Canada in that old war
    arabella Ella: and lions
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed!


    morgano Bravin: the mushrooms sound fun
    Eliza Madrigal: rotting logs seem particularly apt to focus on, on one's birthday... hehehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe they were magic...
    Eden Haiku: A bit confused about old wars and lions in Nova Scotia...
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: and what mustrooms spring from
    Eliza Madrigal: mushrooms rather... what an odd typo
    Agatha Macbeth: A mustroom in the restroom
    Archmage Atlantis: Blackberries, picking with my cop dad, looking for the men who stole rides on the railroad
    Eliza Madrigal: The lion is about the moment one 'meets their lion' as in has an experience which 'wakes them up' to live differently
    Eliza Madrigal: to 'get real'
    Archmage Atlantis: Those were good berries
    Agatha Macbeth listens for growling
    Eliza Madrigal: the lion's roar unhinge-ing everything....
    Eden Haiku: Ah! nice ;)))
    Eliza Madrigal: might be an illness for one, or an argument/break up...
    Agatha Macbeth: Where does that saying come from?
    Archmage Atlantis: I said this once, the cat inside me is a snow panther......the rodent is a badger......the dog is a coyote
    Eliza Madrigal: Well it was a story Wol told, in this case... better to let her share it perhaps
    Archmage Atlantis: We all channel many
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, when she gets back online :((

    I should point out here that Wol had emailed earlier to tell us she had lost ASDL connectivity

    Eliza Madrigal: but the symbolism applies easily, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon
    Zon Quar: hi hi hi
    Eden Haiku: Saw a nice card with a kitten looking in a mirror: she was a lion in the reflection! Loved it!
    Eliza Madrigal: That's wonderful!!
    Bertram Jacobus: bye - i´ll leave - ty all for the talk ! *wave* ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bert :) Be happy
    Qt Core: bye Bert
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Bert, take care
    morgano Bravin: bye bert
    arabella Ella: bye Bert good night
    adoro Rhapsody: bye bert
    Eden Haiku: Bye Bert!
    adoro Rhapsody: hi zon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert
    arabella Ella: hiya Zon
    Eliza Madrigal distributes wishes... everyone gets as many as they like
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all again ... :-)
    Eden Haiku: Thank you Eliza, opening her arms to receive all Eliza's blessings!
    Agatha Macbeth: You'll need long arms :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :::beams:::: Let's fix the world... what do we wish...
    Eden Haiku: Yes...
    Archmage Atlantis: agree. aggers
    Zon Quar: happy birthady eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: ty Zon :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Fix the world before it fixes us
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    morgano Bravin: less greed, more compassion
    Eliza Madrigal: amen
    Agatha Macbeth: Hallelujah
    adoro Rhapsody: praise the lord
    Calvino Rabeni: less fear, more generosity
    Eden Haiku: Clarity and g
    Archmage Atlantis: Good song.....let me look it up
    Eden Haiku: good will
    adoro Rhapsody: let there be love
    Eliza Madrigal: yes yes yes
    Calvino Rabeni: bark less, wag more
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha, yes
    Calvino Rabeni: hiss less, purr more
    Agatha Macbeth: Thereby hangs a tail
    Eliza Madrigal hums 'let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me...'
    Eliza Madrigal: that might be a nursery rhyme... not sure
    Archmage Atlantis: I fear, we have only given the dream
    Eden Haiku: Oh, what was your great grandmother saying again? Rise and shine?
    Agatha Macbeth: Your cake seems to have become unanimated Liz
    adoro Rhapsody: lets make our dreams come true
    Archmage Atlantis: That it can be real, that we have not given
    Calvino Rabeni: ... consume less, savour more ....
    Eliza Madrigal: well first we offer a dream, then offer up the dream...
    Archmage Atlantis: And that it will not be peaceful......we have given even less of that
    adoro Rhapsody: than its tiurn out to be aa nightmare
    Eden Haiku: Yes, offering up our dreams is important too :)
    adoro Rhapsody: letting go
    adoro Rhapsody: on the wings of archmage
    Eliza Madrigal: Appreciation ... dreams into awareness
    Calvino Rabeni: when opened, the grasping hand turns into ... ?
    adoro Rhapsody: tenderness and softy dreams
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, rest
    morgano Bravin: maybe we are a result of our combined thoughts
    Agatha Macbeth: The Dreamtime?
    adoro Rhapsody: co creating dreams
    Agatha Macbeth plays her dijeridoo
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, that time is now
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the Austro peoples
    Zon Quar: waves..
    Archmage Atlantis: The first to walk in the dream time
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Can you guess what it is yet?'
    Eden Haiku: waves to Zon
    arabella Ella: bye Zon
    Agatha Macbeth: Cya Zon
    adoro Rhapsody: bye zon
    morgano Bravin: bye zon
    adoro Rhapsody: gone in the zone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Ya, sweet dreams
    adoro Rhapsody: night sleep tight
    Eden Haiku: Nite Yak!
    Qt Core: 'night Yaku
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Yaku
    morgano Bravin: nite yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: what are you playing Ag?
    morgano Bravin: is it erogenous?
    Eliza Madrigal: "digeridoo songs for peace"?
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eden Haiku: laughs at @Adoro > Zon gone in the zone...>
    Agatha Macbeth: Erogenous?
    adoro Rhapsody: erogenius


    morgano Bravin: whatever you were playin with that we had to guess
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought I missed something...
    arabella Ella: LOL
    morgano Bravin: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks again for the lovely wishes, and wishes and wishes....
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    morgano Bravin: thankyou eliza..lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now (((( )))))

    As Eliza leaves, the conversation, almost unnoticed, takes on a new turn

    Archmage Atlantis: When I was new here, in SL......yes I know the date is old
    arabella Ella: bye Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care
    adoro Rhapsody: bye eliza
    Qt Core: Bye Eliza
    arabella Ella: hope u have a great day ahead
    Archmage Atlantis: A kind person gave me a tatoo
    adoro Rhapsody: elixa
    morgano Bravin: yes happy irthday again
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much everyone :)))
    Archmage Atlantis: It means heaven in Kanje
    morgano Bravin: may I send u a kiss,x
    Eden Haiku: Bye birthday girl, enjoy your enlightenment!
    Agatha Macbeth: .-''''-.,.-''''-.
    Agatha Macbeth: ! I LOVE !
    Agatha Macbeth: ". YOU ."
    Agatha Macbeth: '''-.,.-
    Eden Haiku: Cute kiss adoro :)
    Eliza Madrigal: squealing in delight, how sweet sweet sweet
    Agatha Macbeth: Like the cake...
    Eliza Madrigal: Back at you all
    Eden Haiku: Love you (((Eliza))))!
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that the tattoo on your chest Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I remember Kiki saying it means heaven (or sky)
    morgano Bravin: get your shirt off arch
    Archmage Atlantis: When he and I separated, I tried to live without it
    adoro Rhapsody: now u r tohether again ?
    adoro Rhapsody: arch ?
    Archmage Atlantis: No, nor will we ever be
    adoro Rhapsody: together
    adoro Rhapsody: ok i see
    Agatha Macbeth: :(
    adoro Rhapsody: living apart together
    adoro Rhapsody: with a tatoo
    adoro Rhapsody: is new combination
    Archmage Atlantis: It is burned in my flesh, my flesh is in my mind..........my mind will forget
    Archmage Atlantis: And I will be another
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    adoro Rhapsody: what does it mean ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessing and Namaste
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Archmage Atlantis: Aggie can tell you, adoro
    morgano Bravin: nice chest Arch
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    morgano Bravin: the tat will always say the same,,will it mean the same to you?
    adoro Rhapsody: thats a good one
    Archmage Atlantis: Fair question morgano
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps, perhaps not
    adoro Rhapsody: when u get older it maybe fet another meaning for u
    adoro Rhapsody: get
    morgano Bravin: perhaps what u have lost is what you were given, but what the tat says is what u give
    Archmage Atlantis: perhaps
    morgano Bravin: which is important
    adoro Rhapsody: or what u see is not what u get
    Archmage Atlantis: I try to live a moral life.......I fail many times
    Eden Haiku: Will go for a walk now the sun came up after the rain, bye everyone. Enjoy your week of vacation Agathita :))
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Qt Core: By Eden
    Agatha Macbeth: See you Edie, take care
    morgano Bravin: bye eden,,u dont have a lil haiku for us?
    Archmage Atlantis: Because what is moral, is not an easy question


    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    morgano Bravin: I think that even if we had the right answer it wouldnt have much value unless you had to work it out
    adoro Rhapsody: bravo !
    Calvino Rabeni: yes good insight!
    Agatha Macbeth: Bravo Bravin :)
    adoro Rhapsody: brave heart
    adoro Rhapsody: maass
    adoro Rhapsody: meaning as a self service
    morgano Bravin: I need to do some clubbing,,Arch put ur shirt on before u catch a cold
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: mama says
    Archmage Atlantis: I have to go watcj Dr Phil tell me how he has figured hou how we are all deformed
    adoro Rhapsody: bye brave woman
    Agatha Macbeth: Have a dance for me Morg
    Archmage Atlantis: *g*
    morgano Bravin: thanks Ags
    Qt Core: bye morgano
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arch, take care
    adoro Rhapsody: sticky peace of cake ?
    morgano Bravin: bye guys..and gals
    arabella Ella: bye morgano
    morgano Bravin: yea,,i have to work off the calories now
    Agatha Macbeth: You could start by putting the cake down ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Dear me
    adoro Rhapsody: letting go
    Agatha Macbeth: Stopping and dropping
    adoro Rhapsody: gone for shopping
    Agatha Macbeth: Helzapoppin
    adoro Rhapsody: mary poppin
    Agatha Macbeth: Mrs Jones!!!
    adoro Rhapsody: s
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry...
    arabella Ella: why are you apologising Ags?
    Agatha Macbeth: For being mad
    arabella Ella: aren't we all?
    arabella Ella: to various degrees
    Agatha Macbeth: To a greater or lesser degree
    adoro Rhapsody: thats nothing to be ashamed for
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    arabella Ella: LOL
    arabella Ella: being a bit mad in this world is a great advantage
    adoro Rhapsody: its human
    Agatha Macbeth: Well it helps
    arabella Ella: gives you cutting edge above others
    arabella Ella: makes life more interesting and entertaining too
    Agatha Macbeth: Truly
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    arabella Ella: LOL
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    arabella Ella: mad Monday
    adoro Rhapsody: still crazy after all those years
    arabella Ella: LOL
    adoro Rhapsody: good for condition
    arabella Ella: and No Need to say you are Sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: Keep on dancin'
    adoro Rhapsody: Qt must think we r mad all together
    arabella Ella: ah i must go so regret i must stop
    arabella Ella: stop
    arabella Ella: gtg bye everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: I think I just trod on Qt
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Qt Core: surely not
    Qt Core: bye Ara
    Calvino Rabeni: bye Ara :)
    arabella Ella: i will go and be mad elsewhere for a short while :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now dears, do be careful out there
    adoro Rhapsody: namaste

    At this point Yours Truly poofed, but the conversation continued awhile


    adoro Rhapsody: is there something we could share ?
    adoro Rhapsody: or just silence to share ?
    adoro Rhapsody: could
    Calvino Rabeni: I was wondering what "self service" means in your ideas, Adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: ok that u make your own interpretation or meaning of something
    Calvino Rabeni: oh, ok
    Calvino Rabeni: I see
    adoro Rhapsody: in cloud computing we see more aas services
    adoro Rhapsody: saas = software as a service
    adoro Rhapsody: or security as a service
    Calvino Rabeni: what is the relationship between cloud computing and the meaning of a personal thing such as a tatoo?
    adoro Rhapsody: and we see also more self service concepts nowdays
    adoro Rhapsody: ok no realition yet
    adoro Rhapsody: no relation yet
    adoro Rhapsody: pure associating
    adoro Rhapsody: i like that
    Calvino Rabeni: ah ok
    adoro Rhapsody: sometimes it brings creative solutions
    Calvino Rabeni: when traditional services are broken up, then it forces people to be creative
    adoro Rhapsody: but Qt can tell us more about creative design in Milano
    adoro Rhapsody: thats the good of a crisis
    adoro Rhapsody: but dont think i am in crisis now
    Qt Core: Me and creative design are quite estranged from each other
    adoro Rhapsody: but its core business in milano i thought
    Qt Core: maybe creative, but design ...
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: not all milanese are designers
    Calvino Rabeni: when corporations no longer provide security and commoditize labour, then it becomes fashionable for who were "workers" before, to become "entrepreneurs"
    Qt Core: yes, but not mine ;-) most if not all fashion stores/brand would go bankrupt if more people would be like me
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Qt Core: more than fashionable the only choiche
    Calvino Rabeni: That sounds like an idea of Lao Tzu
    adoro Rhapsody: thats good for crisis
    adoro Rhapsody: lao tze is a new brand of rituals cosmetics
    adoro Rhapsody: see www.rituals.com
    adoro Rhapsody: the tao product line
    adoro Rhapsody: its a kind of food balm
    Calvino Rabeni: that's creepy
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry for this comercial break
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Qt Core: many people are dumped and then "rehired" as professionist, so almost no social costs for the hirer
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: thats is misuse
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    adoro Rhapsody: mediaval times come back
    adoro Rhapsody: medieaval
    Qt Core: and those very little professionists starts having to say bye bye to vacation and ill time, loans and such
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: thats crisis
    adoro Rhapsody: we see the same in health jobs
    adoro Rhapsody: office helps u with solicitating course or tips to be an entrepreneur
    adoro Rhapsody: but they like to see u go


    Qt Core: i find sad how those little entrepreneurs are called here, "partite iva", losely translated as "vat codes"
    adoro Rhapsody: it looks like it will be an ever lasting hard world
    adoro Rhapsody: denigration is part of the game
    Calvino Rabeni: I was for a long time in favor of the idea of "life long learning" - then at some point, I read that some people consider it a strategy of corporations to turn knowledge workers intonto commodities, just like they did for factory workers many years ago
    Qt Core: but this isn't a new name, it has many years
    adoro Rhapsody: yes reuse it
    adoro Rhapsody: its of all times
    adoro Rhapsody: we lived in a social utopia some decades
    adoro Rhapsody: now its hard to be back again some ages ago
    Qt Core: i've read some articles that were saying that the golden generation was the one born just after WW2
    adoro Rhapsody: the baby boomers
    adoro Rhapsody: its the reaction on crisis
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't think so - I think it was the ones born during the 30's
    Calvino Rabeni: because they hit peak earning potential in the 50's
    Qt Core: that enjoyed the economic boom when young, got "rich" in theyr 30/50 and will enjoy the social services in their old age
    Calvino Rabeni: the boomers were a bit too late for that
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: sharp analyse
    adoro Rhapsody: cal
    adoro Rhapsody: u could be right
    Calvino Rabeni: the golden age bubble was the post-ww2 era, and whoever was 25 - 40 probably was the best timing
    Calvino Rabeni: many boomers are less secure financially than their parents
    Calvino Rabeni: and were less well fortified by the "work ethic"
    Calvino Rabeni: which was somewhat dismantled by the counterculture of the 1960's
    adoro Rhapsody: they couldaffort it , it was a luxury problrm
    Qt Core: nowadays there are really a few of them, but people old enough to have endired both world war were used to say that young people needed to experience (even if not as soldiers) a war to understand life
    adoro Rhapsody: my grandfather said that too
    Calvino Rabeni: I think they meant an old-fashioned war, not a modern war
    adoro Rhapsody: when we didnot eat our potatoos
    adoro Rhapsody: ofcourse
    Calvino Rabeni: the modern wars are managed, so that there is not a strong sacrifice or inconvenience for the population
    Qt Core: if you are not the target of a smart bomb, that is
    adoro Rhapsody: but the pictures are all over the world
    Calvino Rabeni: pictures are easily turned away from
    adoro Rhapsody: so the mental impact is much bigger
    adoro Rhapsody: ok u r right
    Calvino Rabeni: poverty, job disruptions, need to cooperate for survival, many dead friends and relatives, sacrifice ... that is not easily forgotten
    Calvino Rabeni: media doesn't do much to help people understand war
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    Qt Core: why should they ? :-(
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: there seems to be no need for them
    adoro Rhapsody: so it goes on and on
    Calvino Rabeni: no need for what?
    Calvino Rabeni: wars?
    adoro Rhapsody: need to stop pictures about wars
    Calvino Rabeni: ah
    adoro Rhapsody: its just an industry
    Calvino Rabeni: plus a social welfare program
    adoro Rhapsody: abolute right


    adoro Rhapsody: war disguised as social welfare ?
    adoro Rhapsody: a wolf like a lamb ?
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry no politics here
    Calvino Rabeni: no disguise, the war shows as the main face of it
    adoro Rhapsody: well its late here
    adoro Rhapsody: midnight hour
    adoro Rhapsody: so something lihgt or a joke before i go to bed ?
    Calvino Rabeni: nice idea, hmmm
    adoro Rhapsody: orinoko ?
    Calvino Rabeni: does your country have a food calendar?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: so does this one - each day has a special food
    adoro Rhapsody: slice of five
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't think you could survive on it as a menu :)
    adoro Rhapsody: ha ha
    Calvino Rabeni: Like Peach Pie, or Brandy Alexander
    adoro Rhapsody: thats a good one
    Calvino Rabeni: There's even a National Junk Food Day
    adoro Rhapsody: i ll take a night cap
    adoro Rhapsody: bye qt and cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye
    adoro Rhapsody: nice talking to u
    Calvino Rabeni: Time for me to do ... something physical
    Calvino Rabeni: likewise Adoro
    Calvino Rabeni: see you later
    Calvino Rabeni: and QT :)
    Qt Core: bye cal

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