2010.08.19 13:00 - inception, IT security, bullfight, choices, consumerism...

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Lia Rikugun: hello bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Lia. Good to see you again.
    Lia Rikugun: thanks you too ;)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, adoro.
    adoro Rhapsody: no i see on the mini hello all
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry
    adoro Rhapsody: that was an old text
    adoro Rhapsody: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: hi adoro
    Bruce Mowbray: I trust that your global meeting went well this morning.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Qt.
    adoro Rhapsody: indeed
    Bruce Mowbray: good.
    Lia Rikugun: hi Qt
    adoro Rhapsody: Hey!
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
    Qt Core: Hi Agatha
    Bruce Mowbray: Good evening, aggers!
    adoro Rhapsody: hi ag
    Lia Rikugun: hi agatha
    adoro Rhapsody: i have read more on the site kira.org
    adoro Rhapsody: that is very interesting
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Yaku
    adoro Rhapsody: hi yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Yaku.
    Qt Core: Hi Yaku
    Lia Rikugun: hey yaku
    Bruce Mowbray: What did you find there, adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: do u have japanese perticipants in this sessions too ?
    adoro Rhapsody: participants
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    adoro Rhapsody: i suppose they come on otherv times ?
    adoro Rhapsody: other
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps Lia or aggers or Yaku can answer that better than I.
    Lia Rikugun: probably they would come at 7am :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: from my experience the japanese ppl stay at their tuesday session in the cafe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know anyone who joins pab
    adoro Rhapsody: well i should look it up on the site
    Bruce Mowbray: All I know for sure is that there is a Japanese section in the sim -- so I assumed that they also came here.
    Bruce Mowbray: Pema is in Tokyo right now, as you are probably aware.
    adoro Rhapsody: i thought of an experiment of ongoing discussion over the sessions
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
    Agatha Macbeth: It's about 4AM there now
    adoro Rhapsody: starting with asia /australia and than next session europe and than america
    adoro Rhapsody: so we could discus a theme all over the world
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I think we're doing that right now, or am I wrong?
    adoro Rhapsody: but maybe u have allready experimented that
    adoro Rhapsody: now only europe ans america ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry, I missed the beginning of this, what are we discussing?
    adoro Rhapsody: and
    Bruce Mowbray: adoro is wondering whether we are joined here by folks from the Far East.
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry its an idea of 2 sessions before
    Lia Rikugun: hello arch
    Agatha Macbeth: Dunno
    adoro Rhapsody: hi arch
    Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Arch.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: helon lila
    Qt Core: Hi Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: hi aggie
    Agatha Macbeth: Kiki is from China I think
    Archmage Atlantis: hola qt
    Bruce Mowbray: Where is Hokon from?
    Agatha Macbeth: I *thought* Canada, could be wrong
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm.
    Archmage Atlantis: I think there will come a day, when the far east will meet the west here.........I do not feel it has borne fruit so far
    Archmage Atlantis: Fruit Trees require time
    Agatha Macbeth: Gaya is from Korea of course, but lives in England
    adoro Rhapsody: but we can plant the seeds for it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: only tarmel is from australia
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: thankx
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sophia placebo is from saudi arabia but she left
    Agatha Macbeth: :(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hokon is from chicago btw
    Bruce Mowbray: Can you say a bit more about your "experiment," adoro?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah right, thx
    Archmage Atlantis: Many game players on facebook use kanji as primary name symbols
    adoro Rhapsody: i discussed with bruce that this might be a chance for planting the seeds of peace
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Archmage Atlantis: I must diffe
    adoro Rhapsody: what is deffe ?
    adoro Rhapsody: diffe ?
    Agatha Macbeth: differ
    Archmage Atlantis: differ
    Agatha Macbeth: snap
    adoro Rhapsody: what does that mean ?
    Archmage Atlantis: those seeds were planted long ago........they require nurture
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: continuous attention
    adoro Rhapsody: and fostering
    Archmage Atlantis: *bows*
    adoro Rhapsody: wow this may sound to utopian
    adoro Rhapsody: too
    adoro Rhapsody: or too softy
    adoro Rhapsody: but we can try
    Bruce Mowbray muses: No dreams too large.
    Archmage Atlantis: Softy? to stand and be, that is never soft.
    adoro Rhapsody: all according the film "incepption"
    Archmage Atlantis: To scare and run, spread panic.......that is soft
    adoro Rhapsody: not according to but other word
    Lia Rikugun: i am still thinking about that movie :)
    Bruce Mowbray: me too - - Can't stop thinking about it.
    Agatha Macbeth: So is everyone else it seems
    adoro Rhapsody: so we discusseed about it security
    adoro Rhapsody: IT-security
    Lia Rikugun: ok
    Qt Core: i'm going to take a plane to the usa to see it, can't wait next month here ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: and how we combatt hackers all over the world
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, adoro and I had a big talk about IT-security.
    Lia Rikugun: what really?
    Agatha Macbeth: Now THAT is a question Adoro!
    Lia Rikugun: qt you dont have the movie in the theaters?
    Archmage Atlantis: The best guardian of locks, is the entity who once picked them
    Qt Core: 24 september it seems
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: we wont tell anything then ;)
    adoro Rhapsody: the rat race where eveil is almost faster tthan de good ones
    adoro Rhapsody: evil
    Bruce Mowbray: One can get a full synopsis of the movie at imdb.com
    adoro Rhapsody: thnx
    Qt Core: best it security tools... an insulated scissor and a big red switch ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: That could work...
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Let's not destroy the global village in order to save it.
    Lia Rikugun: hello morgano
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Morg :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, morgano.
    adoro Rhapsody: good saying !
    adoro Rhapsody: hi morg
    Qt Core: hi Morgano
    morgano Bravin: Hiya everyone
    adoro Rhapsody: but we can talk about other things less heavy
    Agatha Macbeth: Feathers?
    adoro Rhapsody: hahaha
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    adoro Rhapsody: wings ?
    Bruce Mowbray: I am glad to have you on the front lines of Internet security, adoro.
    adoro Rhapsody: its my pleasure
    Agatha Macbeth: Just call him Firewall Rhapsody
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    adoro Rhapsody: so we can laugh !
    Agatha Macbeth: We can too
    Bruce Mowbray: It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe time for orinoko ?
    Bruce Mowbray: go for it.
    Agatha Macbeth: As Hawkeye Pierce once said 'laughing is the only thing that stops me from screaming'
    Bruce Mowbray: but you better spell it right.
    adoro Rhapsody: i have lost the right password
    Archmage Atlantis: Can a wall be built that a ghost cannot walk through?.......For a ghost to exist, it cannot experience a wall.....a conundrum.
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Bruce Mowbray doesn't believe in walls.
    adoro Rhapsody: ghost wall insead of firewall
    adoro Rhapsody: in stead
    Agatha Macbeth: Another brick in the wall
    adoro Rhapsody: we dont need no education
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    adoro Rhapsody: we doont need no mind conytrol
    adoro Rhapsody: i am gonna watch roger waters in the wall concert in april 2011
    adoro Rhapsody: in holland
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh, lucky you
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow -- great!
    adoro Rhapsody: super !!!
    Agatha Macbeth is jealous
    adoro Rhapsody: i am preparing for it now
    Lia Rikugun: hello arabella
    Agatha Macbeth: Oops, we lost Morgano
    adoro Rhapsody: hi ara
    Agatha Macbeth: And gained Ara :)
    Bruce Mowbray is comfortably numb with envy.
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
    Qt Core: hi Ara
    arabella Ella: :)
    adoro Rhapsody: amuded to death
    Bruce Mowbray: Greeting, arabella.
    Archmage Atlantis: brick......defininition.......a solid retangular object formed of dry clay alalgimated with other atomic based objects
    adoro Rhapsody: amused
    adoro Rhapsody: wow archi
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, adoro -- Arabella is from Malta, I think.
    Agatha Macbeth: But don't forget the mortar
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    arabella Ella: is there a connection adoro?
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Morg
    Bruce Mowbray: wb, morgano.
    adoro Rhapsody: same time as austraila ?
    arabella Ella: noooooo I am on CET
    morgano Bravin: hi,,sorry i didnt know i had crashed
    Agatha Macbeth: Malta is on the same time as Australia?
    Lia Rikugun: wb morgano
    morgano Bravin: :(
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Bruce Mowbray: same time as Italy.
    Yakuzza Lethecus smiles
    arabella Ella: wb morgano
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb morg
    adoro Rhapsody: ok european yime
    morgano Bravin: ty
    Agatha Macbeth: Must have moved some then
    adoro Rhapsody: time
    arabella Ella: yes same as germany, italy, etc
    adoro Rhapsody: and holland ?
    arabella Ella: but tell me what is the connection?
    Archmage Atlantis: I get Malta mixed up with malta.....the latin american beverage
    arabella Ella: never heard of it Arch
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't know that one Arch
    Bruce Mowbray: Adoro is invisioning a world-wide community experiment.
    adoro Rhapsody: i like to contact with asian or austrailan participants
    Archmage Atlantis: Um, mon
    arabella Ella: ah apologies adoro I don't fit those criteria yet
    Bruce Mowbray: Malta milk?
    Agatha Macbeth groans
    Bruce Mowbray: make mine chocolate.
    adoro Rhapsody: sorry for your president
    arabella Ella: Maltesers perhaps?
    adoro Rhapsody: he passed away ?
    Agatha Macbeth: ??
    adoro Rhapsody: i read on wikipedia
    Agatha Macbeth: President?
    arabella Ella: yes he did and i went to pay my respects and saw him lying in state
    Archmage Atlantis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink)
    Yakuzza Lethecus is getting hungry
    Lia Rikugun: hello calvino
    adoro Rhapsody: he was a good man i saw on youtube
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Being in S FL. lots of latin american influence
    Qt Core: hi Cal
    adoro Rhapsody: hi cal
    arabella Ella: yes adoro he was well respected in many countries
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone - good day :)
    arabella Ella: actually i saw the PM of Kuwait when I went to pay my respects he was here fo the funeral on monday
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino
    Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Calvino.
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm ashamed to say I can't even remember his name
    adoro Rhapsody: see wikipedia
    adoro Rhapsody: newsw of yesterday
    adoro Rhapsody: headpage
    Agatha Macbeth: If I don't know his name how can i ? [grin]
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: thanks!
    arabella Ella: dont worry your pretty brains Ags
    Bruce Mowbray: George Abuela?
    Agatha Macbeth: I try not to
    arabella Ella: if you dont remember surely it cant be important
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, thx
    Archmage Atlantis: Easy, Aggie.....search by deeds
    Bruce Mowbray: no -- Abela.
    arabella Ella: no George is our president at the moment he is still alive
    Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
    Agatha Macbeth: Now I'm lost
    arabella Ella: the one who passed away was Guido De Marco ex-President and ex-Politician
    Bruce Mowbray: oh, sorry George.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
    Archmage Atlantis: What the entity has contributed
    Archmage Atlantis: deeds
    adoro Rhapsody: it tracked my attention because my son is called Marco
    arabella Ella: oh I see well we have lots of Italian surnames here and many from other nearby countries too
    Qt Core: on the 17th we italians lost a former president too
    arabella Ella: De Marco is an italian surname
    adoro Rhapsody: of course
    arabella Ella: oh yes Cossiga Qt, my condolences to the people of Italy too
    adoro Rhapsody: but i dont wanna set a funeral mood
    Qt Core: how you could with such a bright tshirt ? ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe we can talk about something else
    adoro Rhapsody: thats only outside
    morgano Bravin: I think we mis the point,,after all funeral begins with the word fun
    Bruce Mowbray: onigokko
    adoro Rhapsody: hahah
    Bruce Mowbray: stop
    adoro Rhapsody: oh i lossed my orinoko attatchment
    Archmage Atlantis: A passage into death is an odessy completed......a time for rejoicing for the soul who walked this world
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's in Brazil
    adoro Rhapsody: hahaha
    Bruce Mowbray: There's one for you, adoro.
    adoro Rhapsody: thnx
    Bruce Mowbray: yw.
    Bruce Mowbray offers a peace dove t-shirt to whomever wants one (free, of course).
    Agatha Macbeth holds up her hand
    Lia Rikugun: i want to see too :)
    arabella Ella: me tooooo pls Bruce!
    Archmage Atlantis: Sure, that sounds nice Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: ty :)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    arabella Ella: thanks Bruce!
    Lia Rikugun: yes thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: You are all welcome.
    Lia Rikugun: its bright blue! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure is
    adoro Rhapsody: out of the blue
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: blue genes or jeans
    Agatha Macbeth: Gene Pitney
    adoro Rhapsody: delft blue
    Bruce Mowbray: If you are Na'vi, then it's blue genes. Otherwise, probably jeans.
    arabella Ella: ah we have had a few Na@Vi friends here in the past
    arabella Ella: but now they seem to be back to being human
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah....what does it mean to be Na'vi?
    adoro Rhapsody: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Blue
    adoro Rhapsody: explain
    adoro Rhapsody: i dont understand
    Agatha Macbeth wonders if the Na'avi sing the blues
    adoro Rhapsody: na ? vi ?
    Archmage Atlantis: The Na'vi were envisioned as a people, with beliefs
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    arabella Ella: they had Na@Vi avatars just like in the movie Avatar
    adoro Rhapsody: ok i missed that film
    Lia Rikugun: (sorry will go to bed, my eyes are closing .. :) nice to see you, good night!
    arabella Ella: good night Lia
    Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Lia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night lia
    adoro Rhapsody: good sleep
    Lia Rikugun: gute nacht!
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Lia.
    Lia Rikugun: and good dreams
    Qt Core: night Lia
    morgano Bravin: i pickture them singing that village people song,,in the na vi
    Yakuzza Lethecus: btw. agatha do you know that there is a st agatha on malta ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://stagathamalta.com/
    morgano Bravin: bye Lia
    Archmage Atlantis: IMO (rarely humble as it should be) , the Na'vi were a vision of a possible future for the children of humaniity
    Agatha Macbeth: Only on Malta?
    arabella Ella: actually St Agatha is the patron saint of Sicily which is close to us
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, Sicilia
    arabella Ella: don't ask how she was martyred
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok propably there are a few dozen :)
    adoro Rhapsody: ok bruce thnx
    arabella Ella: poor girl
    Agatha Macbeth: ty Bruce :)
    adoro Rhapsody: i sea
    arabella Ella: thanks Bruce :)
    adoro Rhapsody: i see
    adoro Rhapsody: like the blue heads
    morgano Bravin: tx bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Once again, you are all welcome. That is my "desktop wallpaper."
    adoro Rhapsody: or mr. blue
    Agatha Macbeth: It's a picture of Bert ;-)
    adoro Rhapsody: or pino ?
    arabella Ella: how lovely it is wow
    adoro Rhapsody: bluebird
    arabella Ella: such sad eyes though
    Agatha Macbeth: He's probably been through a lot
    Bruce Mowbray: It is the very last image in the entire movie.
    Archmage Atlantis: It is the picture of a cat-man entity.....the eys the nose, they are feline
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, definitely feline.
    arabella Ella: cats dont have noses like that?
    morgano Bravin: I prefered cat woman
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too :)
    morgano Bravin: she was a cool person
    adoro Rhapsody: i prefer tiger
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, time to WoK, bye all
    Archmage Atlantis: Mine do, perhaps because they are bengals. a breed that is part SE Asian wildcat
    arabella Ella: bye Agatha
    morgano Bravin: bye ags
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night, aggers.
    Archmage Atlantis: Nitey nite aggy
    adoro Rhapsody: good nite ag
    Qt Core: time to go for me too, bye all and have fun!
    adoro Rhapsody: by ciao
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Qt.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everryone
    arabella Ella: notte Qt
    adoro Rhapsody: tnx bruce again
    adoro Rhapsody: for tiger shirt
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes time to go, to think, to dance, to love, to be....Blessings and Namaste all
    Bruce Mowbray: you're welcome.
    adoro Rhapsody: namaste
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku and all leaving
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Arch.
    adoro Rhapsody: nite ara
    Bruce Mowbray: Good nightm ara.
    adoro Rhapsody: or arch
    arabella Ella: did any of you see the news about the wild bull in a bullring
    arabella Ella: which leapt up into the crowds?
    Bruce Mowbray: Nope -- What happened?
    arabella Ella: and created panic and havoc
    Bruce Mowbray: where?
    morgano Bravin: nite everyone who left while i was in im
    Calvino Rabeni: I've seen video of that happening in the past
    arabella Ella: well i watched it on Euronews they have a bit called 'No Comment' and it looked absolutely awful
    Calvino Rabeni: Those beast can jump much higher than you would expect
    arabella Ella: seems like it happened today or yesterday
    arabella Ella: but i have no clue where could be spain
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eliza.
    morgano Bravin: Hi Eliza
    arabella Ella: since it was also in headlines for Sky News on TV but then they got Hilary Clinton speaking at the UN General Assembly about help for the terrible Pakistan disaster
    arabella Ella: Hiya Eliza what a lovely dress!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi, guys. Apologies... am on my way to the wok workshop :) Thanks Ara :))
    morgano Bravin: I only went to see one bullfight,,it was sad to see people enjoying it
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I am admiring the dress at close range.
    Eliza Madrigal giggles... sorry about that Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: np ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
    arabella Ella: bye Eliza!
    Bruce Mowbray: Gone so soon?
    morgano Bravin: I was told it was a non violent type of bulfight,,but the bulls still got spiked
    arabella Ella: i doubt whether a bullfight can ever be non violent
    adoro Rhapsody: letting go
    morgano Bravin: I was somewhat niave
    adoro Rhapsody: only as a computer game
    morgano Bravin: u know what i mean
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: yes of course
    adoro Rhapsody: bull fight simulator
    adoro Rhapsody: just as war games
    arabella Ella: does that exist adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: or flight simulator
    morgano Bravin: I have seen those bull stimulators
    adoro Rhapsody: not yet is suppose
    adoro Rhapsody: i supose
    arabella Ella: it is funny how perceptions about things change though
    arabella Ella: there was a time when they were considered quasi romantic
    adoro Rhapsody: of course
    morgano Bravin: bulls?
    adoro Rhapsody: thants the influence of games
    arabella Ella: and nowadays cruelty to animals and barbarian
    adoro Rhapsody: that's
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe
    Bruce Mowbray: I am a hypocrite -- I eat them but don't want them killed for entertainment.
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: I wish I were vegan, though.
    arabella Ella: well Bruce there are different ways of killing animals for food
    arabella Ella: and a bullfight is possibly one of the most barbaric
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, but none of them "work" for me --
    morgano Bravin: I nearly went veggie the other day whilst watching pictures of the holocaust
    adoro Rhapsody: well it dont seems to be necesary
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, morgano, I do understand that.
    adoro Rhapsody: to kill animals
    arabella Ella: yes very true
    Bruce Mowbray: It taken ten pounds of grain to raise one pound of cattle.
    adoro Rhapsody: but it attrackts so many atchers
    adoro Rhapsody: watchers
    morgano Bravin: the longer time goes the more dificult i find it that people can kill someone elses loved ones
    Bruce Mowbray: Not ecologically a sound way to go.
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: not efficient too
    Bruce Mowbray: (I meant about the cattle -- not the Holocaust.)
    adoro Rhapsody: of course
    morgano Bravin: yes bruce,,its ok
    Bruce Mowbray: or to kills ANYONE for ANY "reason" whatsoever.
    adoro Rhapsody: applause
    morgano Bravin: I am sorry i brought up the holocaust
    Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
    adoro Rhapsody: its seems to be human to be unhuman
    Bruce Mowbray: No -- morgano -- the Holocaust is something all humanity will remember as long as we exist.
    arabella Ella: yes i agree I am a pacifist myself
    arabella Ella: but sometimes there are difficulties
    morgano Bravin: but, if we can kill people in their masses and forget the sencient notion of it,,what hope have animals got
    arabella Ella: like for example i was at the beach yesterday morning
    Bruce Mowbray: indeed, morgano.
    arabella Ella: and the kids were catching jelly fish
    adoro Rhapsody: cats also play with fishes
    arabella Ella: oh cats are hunters they catch anything that moves
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe some humans were so too ?
    adoro Rhapsody: we had hunters and collectors
    arabella Ella nods
    adoro Rhapsody: in ancient times
    morgano Bravin: well,,i am sure humans are hunters
    arabella Ella: fishing too
    adoro Rhapsody: but collectors too
    adoro Rhapsody: this is chinese year of the tiger
    arabella Ella: wow
    adoro Rhapsody: so i am glad with my shirt
    arabella Ella: nice t-shirt adoro can see it now
    adoro Rhapsody: and i wanna meet chinese participants here
    adoro Rhapsody: in pab
    adoro Rhapsody: is that possibible ?
    adoro Rhapsody: possible
    adoro Rhapsody: ?
    Bruce Mowbray: The tiger is also Princeton University's mascot.
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    arabella Ella: well i guess the best thing to do would be first to visit some chinese sims on SL
    arabella Ella: then invite some of them to PaB
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: thats a good tip
    arabella Ella: while exploring one day i did come across some Japanese sims
    arabella Ella: however i guess you also gotta consider time zone differences
    adoro Rhapsody: but shanghai rated harvard university as no. 1
    adoro Rhapsody: in the world
    morgano Bravin: is there a kathmandu sim?
    adoro Rhapsody: and here in pab are harvard people is thought
    adoro Rhapsody: i thought
    arabella Ella: there are also chinese language and chinese culture classes which I once came across but I dont have the details
    adoro Rhapsody: yes i saw them too
    arabella Ella: i am not sure but i also think there is the world expo in Shangai at the moment
    adoro Rhapsody: but talking about TAO cannot without chines
    adoro Rhapsody: yes till october 2010
    adoro Rhapsody: world expo in shanhai
    adoro Rhapsody: when i see bruce i remember
    adoro Rhapsody: i rtalk about the outer world
    adoro Rhapsody: but i have to look inside my own winner world
    Bruce Mowbray: Me?
    adoro Rhapsody: inner
    adoro Rhapsody: world
    arabella Ella: yes there was a good bit of the Euronews Reporter section today on the Shaingai Expo
    adoro Rhapsody: thats the key to relaxation
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, folks, this has been a relaxing conversation -- and I now need to get some supper.
    adoro Rhapsody: involution
    adoro Rhapsody: heve nice meqal
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks to everyone.
    adoro Rhapsody: and yhnx
    adoro Rhapsody: thnx
    adoro Rhapsody: for shirts
    Calvino Rabeni: Goodbye Bruce
    morgano Bravin: bye
    adoro Rhapsody: what is the opposite of orientation ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, disorientation?
    adoro Rhapsody: westeritation ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or Westernization?
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: thnx
    adoro Rhapsody: when u say west or east u think yourself in the center of the world
    adoro Rhapsody: that is ego centric
    adoro Rhapsody: since we learned that the world is round
    arabella Ella nods
    adoro Rhapsody: west an east are relative
    arabella Ella: but i dont think you meant orientation adoro
    arabella Ella: i think you meant Orientalism or something similar
    adoro Rhapsody: sure
    adoro Rhapsody: u r right
    adoro Rhapsody: ara
    adoro Rhapsody: orientalism
    adoro Rhapsody: was a way of lokking away for the problems
    adoro Rhapsody: looking
    adoro Rhapsody: so the opposite of orientalism can be focus on the local problem
    adoro Rhapsody: east west home best
    arabella Ella: what is the local problem adoro?
    adoro Rhapsody: crisis ?
    adoro Rhapsody: financial political etc
    arabella Ella: oh you means the problems of europe and the US?
    adoro Rhapsody: oh ara
    Calvino Rabeni: That is true, adoro - eastern thinking is more about context and negative space
    Calvino Rabeni: western about figure - thus the focus on problems
    Calvino Rabeni: but no on where they come from
    adoro Rhapsody: i fall in my own trap
    adoro Rhapsody: i saw worldproblems as local problems
    adoro Rhapsody: but they are both
    arabella Ella: yes
    morgano Bravin: the world is small now
    adoro Rhapsody: thanks to global village
    adoro Rhapsody: so ways for solution can me uposcaling or downscaling
    adoro Rhapsody: can be
    adoro Rhapsody: upscaling
    arabella Ella: but is the world only perceived as small for us who use digital technology and who have access to media ... what about those without would they too perceive the world as small?
    adoro Rhapsody: sure another eye-opener !
    adoro Rhapsody: mind the digital gap
    arabella Ella nods
    adoro Rhapsody: its not fair
    arabella Ella: on one hand it is not fair, but on the other hand should we impose our standards on everyone else?
    arabella Ella: other people may be living happy simple lives
    morgano Bravin: I think that those that do not take time to notice the smallness of the world are not interested enough to care
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, ara
    Calvino Rabeni: they may be happier without freedom of choice
    arabella Ella: we can help with clean water and health but values is another thing altogether
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    arabella Ella: who says they dont have freedom of choice at another more simple level?
    adoro Rhapsody: of course
    arabella Ella: many of us dont have freedom of choice due to economic problems or similar
    morgano Bravin: many things we have can be viewed as aaan impossition
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, they may experience it as freedom
    arabella Ella: here on this little island we dont have freedom of choice for everything due to economy of scale
    morgano Bravin: look at the freedom of women,,now they can work all day and not see their family,,feel stressed at the additional responsibilities etc
    arabella Ella: and after having visited different countries in Asia many times I think we have lost all aspects of simplicity in our lives and replaced that with excessive consumerism
    adoro Rhapsody: since emanipated women did smoke more
    adoro Rhapsody: and hand second cars to drive with
    adoro Rhapsody: thats wealth ?
    morgano Bravin: yes, one car was enough for the family when i was a child
    Calvino Rabeni: This woman studied choice and culture in an interesting way:
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/books/review/Postrel-t.html
    arabella Ella: well i know lots of women who dont work but their husbands then have two or three jobs and never see the kids cos they are always working
    adoro Rhapsody: thats wealth ?
    Calvino Rabeni: She found people generally happier in restrictive cultures
    Calvino Rabeni: which was unexpected and also contrary to the american mystique
    morgano Bravin: good point cal
    adoro Rhapsody: thats an aye opener too
    adoro Rhapsody: eye
    arabella Ella: I can understand that from some personal experience
    arabella Ella: there is also a Ted video on the topic but I dont have the link
    adoro Rhapsody: western woman and the supermarket live ?
    morgano Bravin: consumerism invented omens liberty
    morgano Bravin: womens*
    Calvino Rabeni: She had an advantage for understanding, of being mixed culture - American / Sikh in her case
    adoro Rhapsody: wow
    Calvino Rabeni: and she analyzes the history of the idea of choice and consumerism, american style, pretty well
    arabella Ella: oh yes the Ted video if I remember is by Barry Schwartz who is mentioned in the article you gave the link to
    morgano Bravin: sounds like she knows what I mean
    adoro Rhapsody: thnax for tips
    adoro Rhapsody: i go searching
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.ted.com/talks/sheena_iyengar_on_the_art_of_choosing.html
    adoro Rhapsody: its intersting stuff
    adoro Rhapsody: interesting
    arabella Ella: yes that's it
    arabella Ella: but schwarz also has a ted video if i remember correctly
    adoro Rhapsody: ladies and gentleman i have to go to sleep
    arabella Ella: oh
    arabella Ella: good night adoro
    adoro Rhapsody: yhnx for interesting discussion
    arabella Ella: i must go too
    arabella Ella: good night everyone!
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there are different styles - some authors seek to stir controversy - or create a polemic - other go for understanding and loosening the whole picture
    morgano Bravin: goodnight Adoro
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night then, thanks, see you later :)
    morgano Bravin: goodnight Cal,,c u around
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care Morgano - sleep well :)

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