2010.08.23 07:00 - Integrating Our Estranged Selves

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

    Archmage and I start talking about Ancient Egypt as I'm wearing a Nefertiti dress and crown: Eliza, Yakuzza and Bruce join in the conversation as they arrive. Zen will join a bit later and  Bleu  comes at the end with a very interesting link to a cool art exhibit.
    Sharing the royal crown.jpg
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Eden :)
    Eden Haiku: Good morning Archmage :)
    Eden Haiku: And Koya :)
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice threads, been to ancient Egypt recently?
    Eden Haiku: How are you this morning Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: I'm good thank you :) - Good to see you.......
    Eden Haiku: Yes, have been to Ancient Egypt. :)
    Archmage Atlantis: :) - I was invited to a party at a sim of ancient egypt by a dear friend in SL.........she provided me with a costume......
    Eden Haiku: I had a dream with codes in it and searching for codes on the Web, I discovered they had to use a special unicode for hieroglyphs. I'm also reading a novel taking place in Ancient Egypt.
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, interesting
    Eden Haiku: Oh, did you enjoy the party? I have been there just once, talked with Queen Hatshepsut and joined the group.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I enjoyed the party a great deal
    Eliza Madrigal: Wow Eden! What a fantastic outfit :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Mostly we were dancing inside a pyramid, and I like to dance :)
    Eden Haiku: I would not be able to wear this Nefertiti outfit there because she has to be the only queen. It is one of the rules :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (and Hi) :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Eliza........
    Eden Haiku: Im hotep Eliza...
    Eliza Madrigal: you sure are :))
    Eden Haiku: And I guess the guests were all ancient Egyptians, must have been fun...
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Archmage Atlantis: Dressed as such, yes, and it was fun
    Eden Haiku: You know this dream I told you about Eliza?
    Eden Haiku: The one with "defile click flexicode (unicode)"
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm just so intrigued now... yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Yaku :)
    Eden Haiku: Well, as I was telling Arch, it lead me to discover that there was a special unicode for hieroglyphs.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: can you walk like an egyptian eden ?
    Eden Haiku: Hi Yak, I'm deep into hieroglyphic mysteries yes...
    Eliza Madrigal: how interesting, please say more!
    Eden Haiku: Ha! Yes, a world in profile sim would be helpful...
    Eden Haiku: I could do a royal kneeling in front of you though...
    Archmage Atlantis: I think that requires twisty ballons and silly music + maybe Steve Marton, Yaku
    Eden Haiku: Good morning Bruce :))
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Morning Bruce
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, folks.
    Eliza Madrigal: Well... dreams and hieroglyps and cats...
    Archmage Atlantis: Plow ahead pls Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: So, I'm note sure if I have this right but reading on unicode on Wikipedia, I found these codes for hieroglyphs.
    Some Estranged Part of the Self
    Eden Haiku: As I shared that line of the dream yesterday with Maxine (defile click flexicode (unicode), I told her that the message was delivered by an unknown woman who had the same name that my estranged sister. And Maxine's first impression was that that "estranged sister" was some estranged part of myself. It rang a bell. I kept pondering, talked about it with my friend and discovered yes, there is some estranged part of myself I reject.
    Eden Haiku: Sorry...
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh my
    Eden Haiku: ooh my yes :)
    Eden Haiku: Do any of you also feel they have estranged parts of self they won't acknowledge?
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't want to pry, but this seems a real gift for the dream to give you...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Zen.
    Zen Arado: Hi Everyone
    Eden Haiku: oh hi Zen, welcome :)
    Eden Haiku: I will give you a note Zen..
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, Eden...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, many Eden :) I have teenage me who got into lots of trouble, and early mom who accumulated lots of stuff trying to make a perfect picture, and, and, and...
    Bruce Mowbray: I have done pretty intensive "parts therapy" on this issue.
    Bruce Mowbray: I once discovered and named 12 different "selves."
    Archmage Atlantis: I used to, Eliza, but then I was in a relationship with someone ......ty Bruce.....who had parts
    Bruce Mowbray: with the intention of "owning" the ones that had been "disowned"---
    Bruce Mowbray: Go on, please, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I should say that these obviously don't remain unacknowledged nor witheld affection from
    Eden Haiku: oh, so we hit a topic I think!
    Eliza Madrigal: Integration!
    Bruce Mowbray: Say more, both Eliza and Arch. Please.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hmmm.......I used to think integration was the way
    Eden Haiku: Integration yes!!!! That is what my puzzle is about!
    Eden Haiku: If it ever becomes a puzzle...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Now, I see it as co-operation and acknowledgement between parts
    Eden Haiku: That's a kind of integration...
    Eliza Madrigal: What does the coding aspect tell you Eden? Does it give you a way to begin working with it?
    Zen Arado: a man or woman of integrity
    Bruce Mowbray: Arch -- Do all of your parts know of the others' existence?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhhh fascinating question Bruce!
    Eliza Madrigal: it was the early mom who didn't want to admit to the troubled teenager :)
    Bruce Mowbray: (even though they might not be "integreated")?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, they are all always present, and all information is shared
    Eden Haiku: I'm still deciphering Eliza, but yes, it seems fruitful. I had a terrible nightmare this night. Woke up my boyfriend as I was crying.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Sort of like a small orchestra with Arch as the conductor, then?
    Eden Haiku: Sorry Zen, struggling with the note still :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh... some rich potential stirred up Eden
    Archmage Atlantis: But the person I learned of my own parts from, his parts did not share or acknowledge each other when we met
    Bruce Mowbray: [ok. . . back to Eden -- Please go ahead, Eden.
    Zen Arado: it's ok Eden - I get the sense of the discussion :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I had to form 4 separate relationships.....and that is how I came to understand myself better....it was a gift
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, we can all share in this one, I think -- but in turns.
    Eliza Madrigal: What is interesting to me about puzzles, is that often you can't solve them when you are directly trying :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It is complete chaos at first... lots of little puzzles in various places in the table
    Eliza Madrigal: pab sessions are like that sometimes :)
    Zen Arado: ty Eden
    "How many puzzles one might be working on at at time"
    Eden Haiku: Yes, and the chaos is fruitful. One has to bear with chaos until it clears up.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce's '12' number stretches my senses of how many puzzles one might be working on at a time :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm a bit confused by the metaphors we're using. . .
    Eden Haiku: I think the estranged part has something to do with "being false".
    Bruce Mowbray: Are you saying that each of the selves is a puzzle...?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been able to get hieroglyps working eden ?
    Eliza Madrigal: I would liken the selves to puzzles when we compartmentalize yes
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    Zen Arado: Ithink our ego mind likes puzzles - things it can work out and get an answer
    Zen Arado: it keeps us occupied that way
    Zen Arado: makes life into puzzles and complications
    Eden Haiku:So it's connected to the Time session topic of some "hiding'" taking place.
    Zen Arado: just a thought
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Eden, very much so... beautiful
    Zen Arado: yes maybe
    Zen Arado: hiding in thinking?
    Bruce Mowbray: when you say "estranged from" do you mean a part of yourself that is hiding from you -- perhaps a "disowned" unconscious self?
    Eden Haiku: In my nightmare, my mother was disapproving.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, that is what I mean Bruce.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- so the "hiding" metaphor is a self that you feel estranged from, or that you have not yet "owned"?
    Eliza Madrigal: disapproving of?.
    Eden Haiku: I guess my Mom was disapproving the fact that I was starting to own my estranged false self.
    Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
    Eden Haiku: I'm lost so I can only imagine how you must feel...
    Bruce Mowbray: Indeed! That might be quite threatening to her own values -- or to her possessiveness/control of you.
    Eliza Madrigal: It is very interesting Eden... much to learn in this
    Eliza Madrigal: uncovering authenticity / acceptance
    Eden Haiku: Like my Mom rule was: "You MUST love your litlle sister" (however mean she is to you).
    Eliza Madrigal: freeing time and energy
    Eden Haiku: And I lived by that rule ('pretending' I was loving the cruel sister)
    Eliza Madrigal: conflict and messes are difficult for moms :)
    Bruce Mowbray listened intently to Eden.
    Bruce Mowbray: listens.
    Archmage Atlantis: Eden, only you know your own mind, but I wonder if the words "false" and "estranged" are clues......and perhaps in conflict.......just a thought
    Eden Haiku: I know Arch, this is still very fresh and I'm still quite confused.
    Archmage Atlantis: You are being very brave to speak of it, Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: it is quite fine to take it slowly... not rush to close the door on the confusion
    Eliza Madrigal: that's how we bury things in the first place :)
    Eden Haiku: Still in the chaotic part but I trust clarity will come, with time...and meditating on it.
    Zen Arado: my upbringing was so full of 'shoulds' too
    Eden Haiku: Ah, tell us about it Zen.
    Bruce Mowbray: Arch's point,(I think) was that being "estranged" form part of yourself is not the same thing as being "false"
    Zen Arado: nothing specific - just like yourself Eden - you 'should' be good, be kind, etc
    Bruce Mowbray: same here.
    Eden Haiku: My point is I reject my sister for being "false", I estrange her because I estrange a false part of my self: the one that pretends to be ok with her when I'm not.
    Eden Haiku: A madwoman in the making here :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Let's face it, we were raised to be "nice" "good" "pleasant" people -- and that thakes a LOT of shoulds.
    Zen Arado: I think we are noturally all those things if we can allow ourselves to see through this mad 'self-survival' ego thing we have developed
    Eliza Madrigal felt quite handicapped by wanting to be 'nice=not honest' for a long time
    Eden Haiku: But hey you know what, we all are kind, pleasant, good people. :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed Zen :)
    Archmage brings a new perspective to the topic
    Archmage Atlantis: One of my shoulds, one of the most debilitating........and it did not come from my parents, but rather from the society at that time was "You should not be a gay man"
    Zen Arado: the ego that makes us jealous and possessive etc
    Eliza Madrigal: the very obscurations can become revelations
    Bruce Mowbray: That is a BIG one, Arch. . .
    Eden Haiku: Ah yes Arch, that must be a big 'should' to live by when you are a gay man...
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bruce Mowbray: So somewhere along the line you had to choose between honoring your self or pleasing the society?
    Archmage Atlantis: I've talked to a lot of folks who've had even worse.......it is part of becoming
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: but society still is prejudiced against many groups of people who are different in any way
    Eliza Madrigal: including spiritual contemplative types who use virtual worlds ... hehe
    Zen Arado: against women even
    Eden Haiku: And prejudiced against women too.
    Zen Arado: snap
    Eden Haiku: Snap Zen!
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: snap snap
    Eden Haiku: Looking for this link I sent you Zen..
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, society will always have its bigotries -- but what's more important to me is that Arch is not divided against himself (by some inner "should" that says he should not be gay).
    Archmage Atlantis: In my lifetime, I have seen things change greatly.......and those who work for change do make it happen.......it just feels slow
    Eden Haiku: Snap snap...hehe
    Zen Arado: that essay reminded me of a famous essay by a Victorian called John Ruskin, unfortunately Eden
    An Oudated Meme About Women
    Zen Arado: it was called Sesame and Lilies'
    Zen Arado: he said women should stay at home and look after children because they are too emotional etc to talke part in public life like men
    Zen Arado: so he talks about public and private spheres
    Zen Arado: and the women's place is in the home
    Archmage Atlantis: An outdated meme *g*
    Eden Haiku: agrees with Arch :)
    Zen Arado: so that's why I worried about the emphasis on female grasp of emotions in that articles Eden
    Eden Haiku: The Translucent View is far more interesting :)
    Eliza Madrigal has always found it amazing that men are asked to comment on women as 'first authorities' heheh...
    Zen Arado: oh yes very outdated and Victorian
    Zen Arado: but some of the attitude lingers on.....
    Bruce Mowbray: outdated, of course, but one that may still be part of our psyches. . . an "unacknowledged" and "disowned" part that says: "I am not good enough... because I am a woman, etc."
    Eden Haiku: The thing is the culture should open up to emotions. The women don't have to shut down.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Freud made the same assumptions (and errors). . . .
    Zen Arado: and that women have priority when it comes to undestanding emotional things
    Eliza Madrigal: I look forward to reading what you guys decide... apologies but I have to go..
    Zen Arado: you see what I am getting at?
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Eliza.
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful integration topic
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Bruce.....I know one woman who uses a male avatar in SL meetings because she feels she has more "authority"
    Eden Haiku: Ah ah, we will make a decision Eliza, very funny :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: (me too, Arch).
    Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: will be thinking of you Eden... wishing clarity :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Namaste
    Eden Haiku: Your dress is gorgeous Eliza!
    Bruce Mowbray: But what I'm driving at is the inner conflict - within one individual -- the selves in conflict within her (or him).
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you :)
    Eden Haiku: And you are so cutie!
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Eliza Madrigal waves again and poofs before eden says something else that lures me back
    Eden Haiku: The flowing skirt, the gestures, BEAUTIFUL!
    Sharing the royal crown
    Finding myself alone with four male avatars, I boast about being the one with a crown to gain some authority. But Arch ruins my attempt at matriarchy and, donning his Ancient Egyptian costume party, gets me to be more conciliatory and to share the royal power. But he has the last word, read on..:) All this is going on as Bruce and Zen are sharing some of their "hidden" selves..
    Eden Haiku: So it's you and me now guys! But I'm wearing a crown...
    Bruce Mowbray: Inner selves in conflict with each other can create a civil war -- and extreme trouble for that one individual.
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, let me change *g*
    Eden Haiku: Oh oh!!!
    Zen Arado: I don't quite get the idea of 'inner selves'
    Archmage Atlantis: Good thing I saved my party getup *g*
    Zen Arado: could you explain that a bit Bruce or someone?
    Zen Arado: is it from Freud?
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Let's say there is a part of me that enjoys sadistic imagery and gets off on it.
    Bruce Mowbray: Then there is another part of me that condemns me a evil for having such imagery.
    Bruce Mowbray: There is a potential civil war...
    Zen Arado: but it is all still you?
    Bruce Mowbray: Now, multiply that by two or three times -- various selves in conflict with each other...
    Eden Haiku: Ah, now we are two royals sharing the power here Arch :)
    Zen Arado: oh - it is like conscience
    Eden Haiku: Hope we don't start estranging each other...
    Bruce Mowbray: something is brewing in there that is potentially dangerous for the individual and for everyone involved with that person.
    Archmage Atlantis: ***Power does not require a crown, only a heart.***
    Eden Haiku: You are wiser than me, dear brother :)
    Zen Arado: well - I think we can learn to see through self or selves
    Eden Haiku: Oh, back with the guys then Arch... you took off your crown...
    Bruce Mowbray: what do you mean "see through the selves"?
    Bruce Mowbray: do you mean use the selves as windows through which we can see more of who we are?
    Zen Arado: being able to step back from them - become less identified with them
    Bruce Mowbray: Would that be "honoring them" if we stood back away from them?
    Zen Arado: they are still thoughts in our minds surely?
    Zen Arado: no - it is just 'seeing' them
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, my point is that they are FAR more than "thoughts" --- Arch's sexuality is FAR more than just a thought.
    Eden Haiku: Powerful thoughts which gather and act up sometimes...
    Zen Arado: ah yes
    Zen Arado: we have drives too
    Eden Haiku: Impulsions,
    Bruce Mowbray: excuse me, Arch). . . but it's one thing for Arch to have a "thought" about his sexuality -- It's a far different thing for him to embody the energies and drives of that self.
    Moved by the "invocatory drive", I give an example
    Eden Haiku: One impulsion I find very interesting was named by French psychanalyst Jacques Lacan: the talking drive ("la pulsion invoquante") [***invocatory drive***]
    Zen Arado: maybe it is how we twist these natural drives with our thoughts into possessivenesss and jealousy etc
    Archmage Atlantis: NP, Bruce......I am fine with everything you are saying
    Zen Arado: interesting Eden
    Eden Haiku: Aren't we driven by the impulsion to talk here?
    Bruce Mowbray: well. . . I'm just trying to bring it back to the original thought that Eden raised about "estranged" parts of ourselves -- and how those parts become estranged.
    Eden Haiku: And how to claim them back...
    Zen Arado: ok sure
    Zen Arado: It's just that I have never thought of it that way
    Eden Haiku: Let me give you an example .
    Bruce Mowbray: ok, eden, go ahead please.
    Eden Haiku: My "estranged part" gets very reactive when in the presence of people pretending they are who they are not.
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Eden Haiku: When reading yesterday's guardians session, there was a mention that a newbie was there.
    Eden Haiku: And then Bruce said he thought maybe it was a guardian's alt.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, he'd wandered in somehow... and someone said he might be Pema "spying" on us.
    Eden Haiku: I have this thought very frequently too. I know some people are doing that. And I hate it.
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    Eden Haiku: Well, it could had been a joke but I don't think Pema would carry that kind of joke.
    Bruce Mowbray: No, he would not.
    Zen Arado: but I wonder if any of us are totally authentic
    Bruce Mowbray: But eden, are you saying that your "hating it" indicates some estranged part of yourself. . . that might be doing the same sort of "hiding" ?
    Eden Haiku: And the reason I get so reactive to that kind of things is that I am myself "hiding" how much I react to these acts, I'm ashamed of being so reactive about that. But I really think that kind of behavior is abusive.
    Bruce Mowbray just tries to understand Eden's point better.
    Eden Haiku: No, I'm sure I would never do something like that.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- NOW I understand.
    Eden Haiku: I'm sure neither of you would do that either.
    Bruce Mowbray: Eden is still busy being a "nice" person so she does not "react" and say what she's really feeling (hatred).
    Eden Haiku: Otherwise, I would not feel free to share that with you this morning.
    Bruce Mowbray: Iunderstand now, I think. Thanks, eden.
    Zen Arado: but it's good to examine why we react in any excessive way to things do you agree?
    Archmage Atlantis: Eden, would some meditation time be better than discussion, at this point?........There is sometimes a tendency for a group to intrude too much, too soon........
    Eden Haiku: Yes, and the hatred I feel when someone is manipulating us is connected to my child self I guess.
    Bruce Mowbray: agrees with Arch.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, let us do that.
    After a brief moment of silence, the conversation resumes between the guys. Bruce gently brings back the topic of "estranged selves" as we meet one of his, who even has a name: Sadeo 

    Archmage Atlantis: btw, Zen, I do think I understand what you were saying also..........and I do not find the differences in conflict
    Archmage Atlantis: Poorly worded
    Archmage Atlantis: Both views can be accurate, tho different
    Zen Arado: oh yes - we learn from different perspectives
    Zen Arado: I notice how much I generalize
    Zen Arado: :(
    Archmage Atlantis: :) - my best analogy to date has to do with the grocery store.....I have mentioned this in this forum before I think
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently to Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: Because I am tall, less tall people often ask me to reach something from a high shelf.........And I see it and can reach it.......As they see it.....so we see the same thing, but our perspectives and abilities differ
    Archmage Atlantis:[missing line: Arch said he spilled some coffee or something and was busy wiping up] 
    Eden Haiku: Oh, sorry about that :)
    Eden Haiku: was thinking being a woman is an experience the four of you do not have.
    Archmage Atlantis: My RL cat and I take turns knocking over cups full of liquid
    Zen Arado: because I do my shopping from a wheelchair I often have to ask peole to reach me down things - but I don't like having to do it
    Eden Haiku: my perspective might be quite different from yours and yours from mine
    Archmage Atlantis: Now I use a cane, and can't walk very well, ....... I don't get asked much anymore
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, then. . . returning to the theme of several selves: maybe some of our selves are in wheelchairs, and some of our selves are tall, and some of them are asking for help of the others.
    Zen Arado: I often think people should try life from a wheelchair for a period
    Archmage Atlantis: But I have always felt honored that someone thought I was approachable enough to ask
    Eden Haiku: and some of them are women
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I have identified at least three of my selves as female.
    Eden Haiku: and some of them are ninjas
    Eden Haiku: and some of them are hermits
    Zen Arado: physical limitations affect us psychologically too
    Bruce Mowbray: At least one of mine is a genocidal maniac.
    Eden Haiku: Ouch!
    Eden Haiku: How so?
    Bruce Mowbray: well, eden, this is my point: We hide such selves from ourselves....and then they cause mischief.
    Archmage Atlantis: I understand Eden.......I am gay, but tall and masculine........shorter more feminine gay men have to put up with a lot more
    Eden Haiku: Who do you want to exterminate Bruce?
    Zen Arado: watched Terminator 3 last night :)
    Eden Haiku: Did you guys watched the same channel?
    Bruce Mowbray: I (bruce) do not exterminate. That self (whom I named "Sadeo" about twenty years ago when I was doing the therapy) - HE exterminates -- and in some VERY inventive ways -- too horrible to mention here.
    Eden Haiku: I kind of like Sadeo Bruce. Knowing he lives in you I'm not too worried :))
    Zen Arado: well - I/we identify with Arnie in that film don't we?
    Archmage Atlantis: Not all of us, no
    Eden Haiku: No
    Zen Arado: why is there so much shooting and violence in films?
    Bruce Mowbray: I also like him -- now that I know him and exactly what he wants, needs -- and why he wants that -- and how I can give him what he needs.
    Bruce Mowbray: and this is also the case for ALL of the selves.
    Archmage Atlantis: Each being is unique
    Zen Arado: I find I identify with 'tough guys' in novels
    Zen Arado: or why do I read them?
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a very good result, Bruce....I like that
    Zen Arado: like Jack Reacher in Lee child novels
    Zen Arado: how do you give him what he needs Bruce?
    Eden Haiku: Should get to play with my estranged 'false' self. When I was younger and hanging in bars, I used to say anything that came up to my mind when a guy would ask me my name, what I was doing. In a playful way.
    Eden Haiku: Obvioulsy lying.
    Eden Haiku: It was fun.
    Bruce Mowbray: I give Sadeo what he needs through erotic fantasy.
    On these magic words, Bleu appears, wearing an all black skin suit and spunky white hair. She hands out a landmark for a cool exhibit. [I tried it after the meeting and ended up spending almost an hour over there. It's really worth it! Very very immersive! The artist is Thot Jantzen (which brings me back to Egypt) and, I as I was dancing there in my egyptian outfit, I heard the song "Do not deceive me"  which is a kind of synchronicity wink to my reactive estranged self :) The lyrics go something like this : "Do you know how I feel ? Can you feel this/ Don't deceive me".]
    Eden Haiku: Hi Bleu, good morning :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Zen Arado: isn't adolescence a time to try different personas?
    Archmage Atlantis: Or, one could say, protecting oneself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Bleu:)
    Archmage Atlantis: as opposed to lying
    Bruce Mowbray: welcome, Bleu.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Bleu :)
    Eden Haiku: Another Ninja this morning, a female one :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Zen Arado: thinks a lot of us do that Bruce :)
    Eden Haiku: Different personas yes. I have no problem with that.
    Bleu Oleander: very cool art exhibition
    Archmage Atlantis: It is my personal experience that we carry who we were as children and adolescents with us throughout life, growth is understanding, learning and becoming more, imo
    Zen Arado: ty Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: it's up for a month .... go see it
    Zen Arado: yes I will Bleu
    Archmage Atlantis: ok, ty Bleu........do you have a specific reason you find it worth a visit?
    Zen Arado: have to go
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care zen
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Zen :)
    Bleu Oleander: one of the more dynamic artists
    Eden Haiku: Maybe you could post the link in the log Bleu. It looks cool.
    Bruce Mowbray: agrees with Arch - and adds that our "selves" were formed early in life....
    Bleu Oleander: bye Zen
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Zen.
    Eden Haiku: Bye Zen :))) Say hi to Jan
    Bruce Mowbray: So those various "selves" are already in there when we arrive ad adolescence...
    Bruce Mowbray: If we do not attend to their needs, they can become problematic...
    Eden Haiku: Bleu we have been talking about our different selves and the estranged parts of our selves too.
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I need to go also..........ty for sharing with me, all.....Blessings and Namaste
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Arch. THANKS!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, bleu :)
    Eden Haiku: Bye Arch, yes, thanks for the insights!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i visited it when he was constructing it :)
    Bleu Oleander: he had the opening yesterday
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i liked the chairs and didn't even know that the camera position can be programmed
    Bleu Oleander: yes, cool
    Talking about the poetry session during Maxine's slot Sunday 1pm SLT
    Eden Haiku: By the way, are any on you planning to go to the poetry session during Maxine session at Sunday 1pm SLT ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: going yes, the question is the contributing
    Bleu Oleander: didn't know about that
    Bleu Oleander: next sunday?
    Eden Haiku: By what I read in the guardians sessions I think it will be both in voice and in chat, accordingly
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't even recall if it became concrete or not
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i like the idea
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I think so. Maxine seemed to be ready to open it.
    Bruce Mowbray: would it be held right here?
    Eden Haiku: Yaku, you certainly can write an haiku in a week: 5 syllables then 7 syllabls thant 5 syllables. Just try it!
    Bleu Oleander: so everyone is going to write haikus?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, it's generally about pab related poetry :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: does it even have to be pab related ?
    Eden Haiku: No, it was just a suggestion for Yaku (it's short!)
    Eden Haiku: This was not decided I think.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: last week at the virtual goetheinstitut the tutor mentioned how far poetry goes :)
    Eden Haiku: I think as long as it is loosely connected to PaB is fine...
    Bleu Oleander: sounds fun .... i'll try to come
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have you heard of such a poetry eden ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Die Aufstellung des 1. FC Nürnberg vom 27. Januar 1968 Wabra Leupold – Popp L. Müller – Wenauer – Blankenburg Starek – Strehl – Brungs – H. Müller – Volkert
    Bruce Mowbray: me too. but for now need to hike with Bear Dog.
    Bruce Mowbray: May all be well -- and thank you, good people.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I will certainly try too. I might have visitors on Sunday though...
    Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
    Eden Haiku: Thanks Bruce have a nice day!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bruce :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye for now :)
    Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu :)
    Bleu Oleander: take care!
    Eden Haiku: No, what is this poetry Yaku?
    Eden Haiku: These are poets names?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's in principle only the ppl playing a football game
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in the proper array
    Eden Haiku: oh... very poetic indeed Yak :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's an ,,peoetry" by peter hantke
    Eden Haiku: Love Peter Handke...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Peter Handke in seinem Gedicht „Die Aufstellung des 1. FC Nürnberg vom 27.1.1968“:
    Eden Haiku: "When the poet was a child...:
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i really wonder ,,what poetry is" sometimes :)
    Eden Haiku: In "Der Hummel uber Berlin" by Wim Wenders....Handke's poetry is all over.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Himmel :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Hummel is an insect with an buzzing flying noise :)
    Eden Haiku: Expression of the soul... Yes "himmel" you are right...
    Eden Haiku: And himmel is?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: The Sky :)
    Eden Haiku: In French "Les Ailes du desir"
    Eden Haiku: Wings of Desire...a beautiful title and one of my favorite movies.
    Eden Haiku: What poetry is...well, the expression of the soul, of emotions, reverence, beauty.
    Eden Haiku: it can be funny
    Eden Haiku: it can be lyrical
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, then poetry for football fans can be different :)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it could...
    Eden Haiku: But anything could be poetic also
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, thx for the meeting eden!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, did you see that link before ?
    Eden Haiku: Bye Yaku. Have a nice day!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if you install that font you can see at least the hieroglyps in for example firefox
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did't seem to work with emerald still maybe i just needed to restart it, i don't know how unicode works exactly
    Eden Haiku: Oh, i could not open it before. Maybe on my browser safari I will ve able to
    Eden Haiku: That is fascinating this unicode thing.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i had to copy that font to the ,,fonts folder"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: then ,,windows" installed it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't know how it works on a mac
    Eden Haiku: Thanks Yak!

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