2010.08.23 19:00 - Memory is a funny thing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia. This session was attended by stevenaia, druth, Aphrodite, and myself. We spoke about memories, our various perspectives on each moment, and how other people can fill in the gaps when we forget.


    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Aphrodite :)


    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi stevenaia :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are you tonight
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, a little headachy, but otherwise fine :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: humidity that we have can do that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it felt nice to me today, cooler
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, cool, but a bit humid
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its not cool enough to be fall like by any means, but reminded me that its 'close'
    stevenaia Michinaga: and lots of allergies out there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes true
    SophiaSharon Larnia wonders where the summer went
    stevenaia Michinaga: Aphrodite left
    stevenaia Michinaga: was she actually here?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: she was away for a while, she may have gotten logged out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no
    stevenaia Michinaga: My son starts school tomorrow, making the true end of summer
    stevenaia Michinaga: marking
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes! indeed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I sort of remember starting school when I was young, in the first few eeks of september
    SophiaSharon Larnia: weeks*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I don't know now if that was right :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, yes memory does play tricks
    stevenaia Michinaga: creates an interesting past
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I think I have the worst memory for the past than anyone I know

    stevenaia Michinaga: I have been in contact with many old friends on Facebook, who seem to be able to fill in large gaps of my past for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I was with a friend the other night, when she met up with someone who she hadn't seen in 10 years, connected through face book
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank goodness for their memories, and of course I remembered things about them they did not remember, seems it could be possible to construct a complete past for someone else


    stevenaia Michinaga: at least from my perspective, but not my own
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting idea, like asking someone if such and such really happened, and filling it in.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello druth
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Druth :)
    druth Vlodovic: hi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we were talking about faulty memory, and other people filling in the gaps
    druth Vlodovic: ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (and did the bell in the pond sound like a gong to you just now, Steve?)

    druth Vlodovic: saw a show on tarmatic experiences, they said that each time an incident is recalled it is re-experienced, and is then re-memorized
    stevenaia Michinaga: I ahve a watch on that also gongs, so they both rang
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs, I have the mindfulness bell ding on my computer
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think the present (now) can have as many different views of the same moment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: druth, like a neurological imrinting type of reexperience?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: imprinting*
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, each visit to the same moment is re-experienced differently
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods thoughtfully
    druth Vlodovic: well, they were using it for un-imprinting, re-experiencing with the goal of attenuating emotional impact
    druth Vlodovic: it explains why things we avoid thinking about can have such a strong impact on us
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm having trouble finding 'tarmatic' on google, can you explain what that is?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: traumatic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: slaps head
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: (slap my head too , please)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww im the worst typist, ever
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe youre second (I was referring to steve ^^)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    druth Vlodovic: it's when you fall and your head hits the tarmac
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: would definately want to reimplrint that experience
    stevenaia Michinaga: it would leave quite the impression
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so maybe that's why my memory is bad then
    stevenaia Michinaga: why? Tarmac impact?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: druth Vlodovic: saw a show on tarmatic experiences, they said that each time an incident is recalled it is re-experienced, and is then re-memorized
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no recall, no reexperience
    druth Vlodovic: we used to talk about infants going through a "suicidal phase" where they would poke anything dangerous, run towards anything painful and continually contrive to fall on their heads, funny thing is my two normalest kids did it the most
    SophiaSharon Larnia: theyre learning :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no boundary between them and it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: feeling around to where it is maybe
    stevenaia Michinaga: they don’t forget the important things
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    druth Vlodovic: "When it looks like the ground suddenly vanishes, it is probably the stairs, rather than just an illusion."


    SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome back Aphrodite :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello everyone! Just had dinner
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: what was for dinner?
    Aphrodite Macbain: What is being discussed?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Vietnamese chicken and a salad
    stevenaia Michinaga: memories and various perspectives on each moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: and the past
    Aphrodite Macbain: fresh everything
    druth Vlodovic: The biggest thing I find about it is the difference between what I consider important and what someone else does
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm sorry I'm sleepy and read that we were discussing chicken and salad
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nooo its me
    Aphrodite Macbain: hahah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was soo confused
    druth Vlodovic: but, I was talking about chicken and salad too
    stevenaia Michinaga: I asked about dinner
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think it's interesting to remember something - like chicken and salad - and realize it was in fact chicken and strawberries
    Aphrodite Macbain: why do our memories of events change too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like you would swear it was one thing and it wasnt that
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes

    Aphrodite Macbain: we are so sure our memory is accurate
    Aphrodite Macbain: we rely on it completely
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is until you ask someone else what they saw
    Aphrodite Macbain: and feel betrayed when it isn't
    stevenaia Michinaga: at the same moment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think it has to do with the change of focus of our attention, and some neuroillogical wire crossings
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like that neueroillogical
    stevenaia Michinaga: like a picture being worth 1000 words, a moment has 1000 perspectievs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: sometimes I focus really hard to remember and still forget
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i still have 'snapshots' in my head, of moments when I was pretty young
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but i cant remember many things
    Aphrodite Macbain: and other times it is embedded forever like a song that you just heard
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, snapshops are a good metaphor
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, strange snapshots, and wonder...why those
    SophiaSharon Larnia: for instance, I can remember being int he car, and seeing the sunset out of the windshield
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. what makes some stay and the others disappear?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no particualr reason why that snapshot would be so clear
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have heard that when strong emotions are attached to an experience, we remember it better
    Aphrodite Macbain: and that we rememebr the last part of an experience. Such as being at the dentist. Even if we experienced agony during the first hour but had a painless second hour, we would rememebr the experience as pleasant
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm not equipt to describe the mindbody connection with that atm
    stevenaia Michinaga: When I drove to chicage with my 16 month old, he cried for hours, but I remmeber the moment at the rest stop where he met a juggler and laughed
    stevenaia Michinaga: vividly
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. we reemebr the last bits
    Aphrodite Macbain: he probaly will remember the juggler and not the drive
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice trick
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm really not feeling that well, I think I want to lay down :)
    druth Vlodovic: sometimes a song will gain a certain lustre, or emotional impact for me due to the circumstances under which I first heard it, often it is hard to remember the circumstances
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes! druth, truely
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now all
    druth Vlodovic: take care of yourself sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to leave so soon
    Aphrodite Macbain: bye nice talking
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: steve, druth - are most of your childhood memories happy ones?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and adulthood
    druth Vlodovic: more random, or neutral


    stevenaia Michinaga: now my parents tell me I was miserable the 1st few years
    Aphrodite Macbain: is adulthood a memory Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: tes, everything before now is a memory
    stevenaia Michinaga: *yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh . Son you are saying that most of your memories are happy ones
    Aphrodite Macbain: so
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: How fortunate you are
    Aphrodite Macbain: Mine are very mixed
    stevenaia Michinaga: I believe it’s not a matter of happy or not, but we can have a happy perspective on most things....... or not
    Aphrodite Macbain: I hated being a teenager
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems I chose happy
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes but I wonder if our present state of being colours our memories
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a nice color for the moment
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: so I am hoping is does color my past
    druth Vlodovic: or colours which memories we recall
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders if your hate=regrests?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. I rarely have new memories, they have ostly been edited and polished over the years
    Aphrodite Macbain: mostly
    Aphrodite Macbain: hate=regrets?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Aphrodite Macbain: I hated being a teenager
    stevenaia Michinaga: relating it to that
    Aphrodite Macbain: but your memories of that time are pleasant?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: interesting
    druth Vlodovic: for a long time I had a hard time remembering, until I suddenly realized that I remember pictures best, so if I can make a picture of it it is easier
    stevenaia Michinaga: maybe a heartbreak now and them, but learned much about people and lifr
    stevenaia Michinaga: life
    Aphrodite Macbain: making a picture of it is easier? druth?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Does it make it more real?
    stevenaia Michinaga: or just freeze the moment?
    druth Vlodovic: once I imagined an ID page of a guy, complete with name and short commentary, when I met the guy years later the whole thing popped up :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: by mAKING SOMETHING REAL it is easier to deal with it. Perhaps real=visible
    druth Vlodovic: normally anything to do with people just slips past me
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have to deal with something now so I must leave you. I'm sorry to talk and run.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Aphodite
    druth Vlodovic: have fun aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: bye steve, druth
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for joining us
    stevenaia Michinaga: what do you mean by "slips past you?"
    druth Vlodovic: runs away, like trying to catch an elusive dream, names, details, faces all gone in a matter of instants
    stevenaia Michinaga: so what becomes the important thing?
    stevenaia Michinaga: what doesn't slip by
    druth Vlodovic: well, it's a matter of constructing the image, and some things stay, some don't


    stevenaia Michinaga: of course
    druth Vlodovic: hmm, 8:00
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, 11:00 here
    druth Vlodovic: you like techno style music?
    stevenaia Michinaga: for short periods
    stevenaia Michinaga: then it repeats
    druth Vlodovic: well, it was here too, about 3 minutes ago :)
    druth Vlodovic: twice a day
    druth Vlodovic: or did you mean the music?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I didn;t hear it
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, the music style
    stevenaia Michinaga: I didn;t ehar iy
    stevenaia Michinaga: hear it
    druth Vlodovic: lol, since your obligation here has been discharged would you like to come see something?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sure, but I was not charged here tonight, Sophia was
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to tp me
    druth Vlodovic: ok, give me a 'sec

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