2010.08.25 13:00 - God I'm pissed off

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.


    Wester Kiranov: hi bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Wester.
    Wester Kiranov: hi arch, hi zon
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wester
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey there, Zon
    Wester Kiranov: hi fef
    Wester Kiranov: hi qt, adoro
    Zon Quar: fefong
    Qt Core: bi all
    adoro Rhapsody: hi all
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Wester, Archmage, Zon
    Qt Core: hi
    Fefonz Quan: and Qt :)
    Zon Quar: qt
    Wester Kiranov: hi yaku
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Yaku, Adoro
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Qt Core: Hi Yaku
    Zon Quar: yaku
    Archmage Atlantis: hello, Fefonz, adoro, QT, Yaku
    adoro Rhapsody: hi arch
    Wester Kiranov: wb bruce
    adoro Rhapsody: wb bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: wb Bruce :)......
    Fefonz Quan: hi bruce
    Fefonz Quan: and we got symmetry :)
    adoro Rhapsody: what kind of symmetry ?
    Wester Kiranov: if you ignore the color of the zabutons and the character of their inhabitants
    Zon Quar: jazz kind
    Qt Core: before bruce disappearing specular, between you and me adoro
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Qt Core: it is something that some pabbers (mostly me and wol ;) ) like
    adoro Rhapsody: of course
    Zon Quar: but symmetry must be broken
    adoro Rhapsody: why must it be broken ?
    Zon Quar: otherwise
    Zon Quar: there is no life
    Zon Quar: jus dead symmetry
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: i see
    adoro Rhapsody: its too perfect to be alive
    adoro Rhapsody: ?
    Zon Quar: nods
    Zon Quar: all must be imperfect to be perfect
    adoro Rhapsody: its not easy to be perfect
    adoro Rhapsody: the peanuts already said
    Zon Quar: just be imperfect..tha will do
    adoro Rhapsody: that is authentic
    adoro Rhapsody: and human
    Wester Kiranov: hi darren
    Fefonz Quan: if this rule is imperfect by itself, there must be some cases where symmetry beholds :)\
    Archmage Atlantis: Frozen symmetry.....still there is active symmetry, the movement to maintain symmetry.....and that requires life also
    Darren Islar: hi all :)
    Zon Quar: that is no striving
    Qt Core: and then many take the most simmetric figure as the perfect one, circle or sphere depending on the n. of dimensions
    adoro Rhapsody: hi dar
    Qt Core: hi Darren
    Fefonz Quan: hi Darren
    Darren Islar: heyBruce
    adoro Rhapsody: hi bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone. Can't believed I've already crashed twice in this session.
    Archmage Atlantis: hey Blub :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Blub bubbles a 'heo.'
    Bruce Mowbray: hello.
    Qt Core: and the session is still young Bruce ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: good.... What's the topic?
    Archmage Atlantis: Youth is fleeting
    Archmage Atlantis: Not the topic
    Agatha Macbeth: Hihi PaBers :)
    Qt Core: hi Agatha
    Darren Islar: hi Agatha
    Fefonz Quan: HI Agathta
    Wester Kiranov: hi agatha
    Bruce Mowbray: Blub says, "Hi" to Koya.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, aggres.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Arch :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi aga
    Archmage Atlantis: ty, Bruce :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Did I arrive in the bell or something?
    Wester Kiranov: no, just in a lull in the conversation
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Archmage Atlantis: In the circle of fish, tho
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
    Wester Kiranov: we've got symmetry again
    Zon Quar: hi
    Wester Kiranov: and we lost it
    Zon Quar: bad connection
    Agatha Macbeth meeows and grabs the fish
    Zon Quar: isnt it great
    Zon Quar: to loose symmetry
    Zon Quar: and gain it again
    adoro Rhapsody: and symmetry seams to be cemetary
    Bruce Mowbray: same here, Zon....
    Zon Quar: in the beginning..there was symmetry
    Zon Quar: it rested in itsefl
    Zon Quar: content
    Zon Quar: unmoving
    Archmage Atlantis: Once upon a time, in a land far, far away....
    Zon Quar: it got bored
    Zon Quar: and thot
    Zon Quar: why not some action
    adoro Rhapsody: and then there came chaos
    Zon Quar: so. tels push the boat a little
    adoro Rhapsody: and i woke up
    Zon Quar: lets
    Zon Quar: and started enjoy the show
    adoro Rhapsody: and they lived long and happy
    Zon Quar: thinking...oh im gonna loose it
    Zon Quar: the getting itself together again
    adoro Rhapsody: or died long and happy
    Zon Quar: then..loosing fate
    Zon Quar: drama
    Archmage Atlantis: Isn't that the way life always is, trying to bring something out of chaos, finding it, then realizing there is still more chaos :)
    adoro Rhapsody: applause
    Zon Quar: then happy ending
    Zon Quar: and on and on it goes
    adoro Rhapsody: thats life
    adoro Rhapsody: what do others think of it ?
    Zon Quar: life is chaos making it self cosmos and back again
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank God for death I say
    Archmage Atlantis: what's life, Life's a magazine, what does it cost, 25 cents, I only have 24 cents, .;....That's Life
    Archmage Atlantis: Ancient humor from the dead decade scrolls
    adoro Rhapsody: the best things in life are free
    Zon Quar: u must pay for all
    Fefonz Quan: i don't really know what do you mean when you say Chaos in that sense Arch
    Zon Quar: in one way or another
    adoro Rhapsody: well i ve got to leave for bed , my own chaos
    Archmage Atlantis: Nor do I Fef ,,,,, just babbling........sort of like a wind up toy
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye adoro
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ade
    Wester Kiranov: bye adoro
    Zon Quar: bye adoro
    Fefonz Quan: bye Adoro
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps "chaos" is a relative term - as "rigidity" is.
    Zon Quar: bows and flies in teh deep
    Fefonz Quan: relative to our degree of knowing - or degree of accepting
    Fefonz Quan: bye Zon
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya zon
    Bruce Mowbray: I do know that I want a life that is neither chaotic nor rigid.
    Agatha Macbeth: It says something rather interesting when you start up Emerald
    Agatha Macbeth: 'There will come a time when you believe everything is finished. That will be the beginning'
    Bruce Mowbray: What does it say, aggers?
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, in a way, this entire session so far has been an exercise in gaining and losing symmetry, as folks come and go
    Agatha Macbeth: i just told ya! :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Ag?
    Archmage Atlantis: oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought that was quite good
    Bruce Mowbray: thakns.
    Bruce Mowbray: thanks.
    Agatha Macbeth thakns Bruce too
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Just wondered why they put it there...
    Fefonz Quan: put what where?
    Agatha Macbeth: What I just said at the Emerald start screen Fonz :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Pay attention!)
    Archmage Atlantis: who's on first?.....
    Agatha Macbeth: BEING there...

    ----- Some lines of conversation were dropped here due to the request of a new participant. She didn't want to get quoted, mentioning we are a little intimidating...

    Agatha Macbeth: Intimidating? Naaah
    Agatha Macbeth: Confusing

    Bruce Mowbray: nawwww. We're tame as kittens.
    Agatha Macbeth: Inexplicable
    Agatha Macbeth: But not intimidating :)
    Bruce Mowbray: How do you pronounce your name?
    Agatha Macbeth: (With great difficulty)
    Bruce Mowbray: THAT's intimidating, for sure!
    Agatha Macbeth: More to the point how d'you REMEMBER it??

    --------------- dropped again, during discussion of names in RL and SL----

    Agatha Macbeth: Can't say I have, no
    Fefonz Quan: real is in interesting notion here, it's just a name, you can't touch it

    Fefonz Quan: indeed. but then it's gone. has the name gone with the (wind) sound?
    Agatha Macbeth: 'What's in a name'?

    Archmage Atlantis: Well, technically, the movement of the air moves the sensory organs in the ear, which most human brains interpret as sound
    Agatha Macbeth: Many cultures believe if people learn your 'inner' name, it gives power over you

    Qt Core: interesting use of "most" Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Some folks see sound, QT
    Archmage Atlantis: Depends on the brain

    Fefonz Quan: (though not too rigid as you see, we try to keep silence while the 90 second of the cloudy pool remain)
    Archmage Atlantis: Oops, missed that last bell
    Agatha Macbeth: (Last bell?)
    Qt Core: but still we sometimes forget it while deep in discussions
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: Welcome
    Wester Kiranov: I'm going to sign off now guys, cu
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye wester
    Darren Islar: bye Wester
    Fefonz Quan: bye Wester, good night
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Wester.
    Archmage Atlantis: bye W
    Agatha Macbeth: What's an ORGY IN THE FOREST by the way?
    Bruce Mowbray rushes to cover Blub's ears.
    Archmage Atlantis: Missed more than the bell, obviously
    Agatha Macbeth: (What bell?)
    Agatha Macbeth: ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: the attention bell :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh THAT bell
    Archmage Atlantis: :) - tease
    Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Agatha Macbeth looks innocent
    Archmage Atlantis: looks for ball of string
    Fefonz Quan: I am not sure any of you know or remember it, but a year ago started the first PaB real life retreat
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow WF, you have some *interesting* groups there :)))
    Bruce Mowbray: say more, please, Fef.
    Agatha Macbeth: 'The cumhouse' eh? Whoa
    Bruce Mowbray rushes to cover Blub's eyes.
    Fefonz Quan: well, the first RL retreat took place on santa Cruz, California
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah The Harem....I know that one :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Horny Schoolgirls?
    Agatha Macbeth: Whew
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks like you get around
    Archmage Atlantis: I thought the first one was in Princeton, NJ.....or don't those count as retreat
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, didn't you ask her?
    Bruce Mowbray hopes someone will tell him when it's safe here for under-aged fish.

    Darren Islar: she didn't answer yet Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: WF, we need your permission to record what you say here you see
    Qt Core: when do fishes become of age ?
    Fefonz Quan: (will make ,y job easier, being the one posting this session ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Bruce Mowbray doesn't know about the legal age of consent for fish, but isn't taking any chances.

    Archmage Atlantis: Not to record
    Fefonz Quan: we don't eat (SL) meat here :)
    Darren Islar: normally it is save Bruce for underage people or fish
    Darren Islar: *underaged
    Archmage Atlantis: Anyone got some catnip?
    Agatha Macbeth: Me
    Qt Core: time to go for me, bye all, have fun
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, No 'grilling' intended, but it is the legal policy of Linden Labs that any words that will be posted in a webpage wiki (as ours are) first have permission from the speaker of those words...
    Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
    Fefonz Quan: bye Qt
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye QT
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Qt.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, everyone who comes here for the first time is asked that same question.
    Bruce Mowbray: without their consent - can't publish on the web.
    Agatha Macbeth nods

    Bruce Mowbray: Now, where were we . . . .? Somrthing about symmetry?
    Bruce Mowbray: or was it "chaos"?
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably both
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I think both, in conversation, as well as in SL reality (is that a meaningful phrase?)
    Fefonz Quan: btw - this is our web site: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    Fefonz Quan: so you can surf around and see some of the things we do here. the chat logs are, well, under "chat logs"..
    Agatha Macbeth: Unsurprisingly...
    Darren Islar: will be going
    Darren Islar: see you :)
    Agatha Macbeth wves
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Darren.
    Archmage Atlantis: May I ask, Fefonz, the reason you prefer symmetry (and Wol also, if you know) ? .... Bye Darren :)
    Fefonz Quan: Not sure i prefer itr Arch, it's just a mind game
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it invokes deep insecurities
    Archmage Atlantis: Understand (least I think I do)
    Fefonz Quan: and , in that sense, playing 'lets find the symmetric pattern' is much harder (and intruiging) than 'let's find some assymetic pattern"
    Bruce Mowbray: Most biological organisms have physical symmertry in their body structure -- Most non-living things do not.
    Bruce Mowbray: When a living thing dies, its symmetry soon disappears.
    Archmage Atlantis: Hmmm....in designing gardens...assymetry is useful to add interest
    Bruce Mowbray: yes. . . also in design of ideas and of lives. . .
    Archmage Atlantis: while symmetry adds calm
    Archmage Atlantis: And chaos, well usually that means there is no design
    Fefonz Quan: so what insecurities we were talking about agatha? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I find it fascinating that "Nature" uses symmetry -- and that we evolved out of symmetrical forms. . . and now we return to symmetry to find calm.
    Archmage Atlantis: Or at least, not a human one
    Agatha Macbeth: ??
    Fefonz Quan: [14:03] Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it invokes deep insecurities
    Archmage Atlantis: Keep up with yourself Aggie
    Archmage Atlantis: *grins *
    Agatha Macbeth: Well maybe a need for order indicates a need to impose security
    Fefonz Quan: yes, in general that might be true.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd agree -- but only say that a need for rigidity imposes security... a need for "order" does not necessarily impose anything.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Calvino!
    Fefonz Quan: if only you could see my room, the suspicion will vanish at one :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey Cal
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Cal
    Bruce Mowbray: leaving things completely alone -- they ofetn return to "order" all by themselves.
    Agatha Macbeth: Not in my experience Bruce ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Sees invisible fish spining
    Fefonz Quan: yes, Bruce has just contradicted the seoncd law of thermodynamics
    Agatha Macbeth says 'evolve!'
    Bruce Mowbray: so, aggers, some imposition of "order" is necessary, in your experience?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well yeah, otherwise nothing gets done!
    Bruce Mowbray: yep, Fef -- Forgot about that ol' entropy thing!
    Fefonz Quan: just remember - you can fix it by putting some energy into it :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It's all theoretical, anywho
    Archmage Atlantis: Gotta go
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye all
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arch
    Fefonz Quan: I have to go to sleep too, good night fellows
    Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonzie
    Fefonz Quan: Layla Tov :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That too :)
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Fefonz Quan: hehehe :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That's odd, I've got no sound
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    Agatha Macbeth: Now why is that...
    Agatha Macbeth: Where's Bruce gone?
    Agatha Macbeth: I hate Wednesdays
    Agatha Macbeth: God I'm pissed off

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