2010.09.01 01:00 - Time takes time

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.
    Strannik Zipper and me are talking about different types of time and their appearance.



    Bolonath Crystal: namaste strannik :)


    Strannik Zipper: greetings


    Bolonath Crystal: lokks like we won't have too many visitors today ;)


    Strannik Zipper: or rather late visitors


    Bolonath Crystal: yes, maybe


    --BELL--


    Strannik Zipper: So what is new with you?


    Bolonath Crystal: new? *g* good question. i'm rather old, u know ;)


    Strannik Zipper: I'm a bit old myself, but had the perception that perhaps I am new every moment


    Bolonath Crystal: but - as many of us seem to be - i am rather involved in the time mystery


    Bolonath Crystal: yes, that's one of that mystic things :)


    Bolonath Crystal: does time go by? or where else?


    Bolonath Crystal: if i leave a place, that space doesn't vanish. (or does it?) does time vanish when i leave a "time-place"?


    Strannik Zipper: was it there in the first place?


    Bolonath Crystal: or is time still there and i am not?


    Bolonath Crystal: time is much better to understand in my view if i assume it wasn't there in the first place


    Bolonath Crystal: what if, let's say, we "produce" time?


    Bolonath Crystal: wherever and whenever we are, we are projecting a time-space-field around us


    Strannik Zipper: we do, but we are not the only ones


    Strannik Zipper: we can enter in to different types of time in the same place


    Bolonath Crystal: what do you mean by different types?


    Strannik Zipper: Time in dreams takes much less time in waking space, for example


    Bolonath Crystal: i c


    Bolonath Crystal: thats interesting... time takes time


    Strannik Zipper: I can experience an hour in a dream, during a 5 minute sleep


    Bolonath Crystal: in what type of time we would be able to experience a hundred years of life-time?


    Strannik Zipper: I think it is possible to have that *within* the time we have now


    Strannik Zipper: In the dream, the time is created by the unfolding of events and the type of awareness happening


    Bolonath Crystal: and in waking state?


    Strannik Zipper: It is possible to enter into a different quality of time


    Bolonath Crystal: is it unlikely, that the entity, that produces a certain type of time, by itself exists in another space-time-type? (which is created by another "higher" entity...)


    Strannik Zipper: other entities may enter into it, or may not


    --BELL--


    Strannik Zipper: http://www.manage-time.com/101Frames.html - "Time is like a mirror - it reflects different things depending on how we look at it"


    Bolonath Crystal: ic. it seems (again) that the power of creation works with the tool of perception


    Bolonath Crystal: same with matter


    Bolonath Crystal: *pondering...*


    Bolonath Crystal: if everything is a reflection - what does it reflect?


    Strannik Zipper: We have a sense of time passing - which can vary greatlyh


    Strannik Zipper: er greatly


    Strannik Zipper: http://www.manage-time.com/crttime.html


    Bolonath Crystal: do you think that time is something existing independent from it's observer? There is time, and we "move" inside it?


    Strannik Zipper: in some cases


    Bolonath Crystal: in some cases? i'm not sure if i get you right...


    Strannik Zipper: I cannot conjecture about universal or physical aspects of time too much


    Bolonath Crystal: but about personal appearance :)


    Strannik Zipper: except that it is relative in both cases


    Strannik Zipper: in personal appearance, time seems configured by the arising of things and my attention, or lack thereof


    Bolonath Crystal: yes, time is running when there are many things to happen


    Strannik Zipper: it can be in a sort of linear clock time, which is a learned thing in the West


    Strannik Zipper: our experience of time depends on our culture as well


    --BELL--


    Bolonath Crystal: yes, westerners like linear thinking. in asia people prefer to think in circles. both combined may result in a pic of a spiral


    Strannik Zipper: "Time is neither linear nor sequential; in fact, there are neither moments nor successive movement, and thus no succession." (p. 136, Time, Space, and Knowledge, by Tarthang Tulku)


    Bolonath Crystal: sounds somehow nihilistic to me


    Strannik Zipper: The pattern of experiencing linear time described on the previous page is very common; however, felt time is different in different cultures. Anthropologist Edward T. Hall says "each culture has its own time frames in which the patterns are unique." (p. 4, The Dance of Life) To the Navajo, the future is uncertain and unreal; a Navajo is often neither interested in nor motivated by 'future' rewards. (p. 28) Hopis often have no timetables or schedules in their heads for ordinary built objects such as houses. Northern Europeans tend to do one thing at a time. Mediterranean cultures stress involvement of people and completion of transactions rather than adherence to preset schedules; appointments are not taken seriously. "In the West . . . time is an outside force helping us to organize our lives. In the East, time springs from the self and is not imposed." (p. 91)


    Bolonath Crystal: like the yogic "neti neti" meditation


    Strannik Zipper: maybe


    Strannik Zipper: I think it is more a matter of not being locked in to any one sense of time


    Strannik Zipper: a type of "time freedom"


    Strannik Zipper: one is not separate from either the past or the future


    Bolonath Crystal: "In the East, time springs from the self" - i am obviously an eastern thinker


    Bolonath Crystal: that includes the view of not being separated


    Bolonath Crystal: the past is a thought that takes place in the present and is projected backwards in time


    Strannik Zipper: I know that often Tibetan teachers will make you work very fast - faster than you think is possible, and in so doing, you experience a different type of time


    Bolonath Crystal: are you experiencing different types of time or are you experiencing the same type of time in a different way?


    Bolonath Crystal: like e.g. you are looking at the sun with differently colored glasses


    Strannik Zipper: well it is a different sense of time - whether or not it is a different type of time, I don't know, but I wouldn't discard the possibility


    Strannik Zipper: time being relative


    Strannik Zipper: perhaps time is the same and I am different


    Bolonath Crystal: i'd really like to know :)


    Bolonath Crystal: if time is relative, space should be relative as well


    Strannik Zipper: apparently so


    Strannik Zipper: http://www.manage-time.com/intro101.3.html


    Strannik Zipper: Three faces of time


    --BELL--


    Bolonath Crystal: i am very sorry to leave, but rl is calling


    Strannik Zipper: one more thing


    Strannik Zipper: you may find this useful: http://tska.info/


    Strannik Zipper: for all our efforts, you still are out of time ;-)


    Bolonath Crystal: page not found. is the url correct?


    Strannik Zipper: yes, I just got it


    Bolonath Crystal: hm


    Strannik Zipper: try without the end slash


    Strannik Zipper: tska.info


    Bolonath Crystal: no, doesn't work either :(


    Bolonath Crystal: is it possible that this page is blocked in germany?


    Strannik Zipper: make sure that your browser isn't trying to fill in with dot com or something


    Bolonath Crystal: nope


    Bolonath Crystal: page not found...


    Strannik Zipper: I can't imagine why it would be blocked - perhaps german DNS servers don't have the .info domain


    Strannik Zipper: try google for "time space and knowledge"


    Bolonath Crystal: ok, i notice that


    Bolonath Crystal: thank you for the great conversation :)


    Bolonath Crystal: om shanti


    Strannik Zipper: yes - thank you - cheers

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