2010.09.01 13:00 - Peace and Quiet

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.  Also present were Fefonz and Bertram.

    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Bert.
    Bertram Jacobus: heyy Bruce ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: nice to see you ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you too, Bert.
    Bertram Jacobus: how are you today ?

    Where in the world are you?

    Bruce Mowbray: I am trying to recall where in the world you're from
    Bruce Mowbray: I am excellent. Thank you.
    Bertram Jacobus: Germany, Cologne - and you ? lol ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Now I remember (thanks!)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - np at all :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Will you be claiming this session?
    Bertram Jacobus: and how about you - i forgot it too, sry : where do you live ? the us, right ? which state ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh me? I am from Ohio, USA.
    Bruce Mowbray: southern Ohio - where right now is the swelteringly HOT.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes - I should look it up a bit at Wikipedia or so - how well known may it be in the us and in the world - which are some specifics about your state ? are there some ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and i will claim it when nobody else does it ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: specifics about my state.... OK....
    Bruce Mowbray: Ohio calls itself the "Heart of it All" -- of the US -- because,
    Bruce Mowbray: it is IN the heart of the US, and because it is shaped like a heart.
    Bruce Mowbray: (I could also claim it. . . no problem.)
    Bruce Mowbray: The northern part of the state is mostly industry and the southern part of the state is almost all agriculture.
    Bruce Mowbray: I live on a farm. (obviously, agriculture).
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! cool - something else ? (about Ohio) - how would you describe and characterize it to a totally unknowing person like me ? ah - already going on, ty ! ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: cool. is it huge ?
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm. . . well, certainly a lot more boring than Koln.
    Bertram Jacobus: that's the impression for us Europeans may be or at lest to me : American farms are huge ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Our farm? It is 150 acres.
    Bruce Mowbray: That's actually fairly small for this area.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - damn - sry - with acres I'm mostly not so familiar : can you tell me how many miles that is east- west and north-south ?
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Say about a quarter of a mile square.
    Bruce Mowbray: We are about 50 miles south of Columbus - which is dead-center of the state.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. cool. now I can imagine - ty ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: just a sec.... I will find something for you....
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ... :-))
    Bertram Jacobus: but what do you mean with "dead center" plz ?
    Bertram Jacobus: heyy fefonz ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Fef!
    Bruce Mowbray: "dead center" means right in the middle of the state.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, Bert -- Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio
    Bertram Jacobus: okay - ah - thanks Bruce again
    Bruce Mowbray: welcome, Fef --- I think this is your session, right?
    Fefonz Quan: Hi B & B
    Fefonz Quan: yep


    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray quickly remembers: Fef lives in Malta.
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. no : in Israel ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ????
    Bertram Jacobus: but we had the retreat in Malta, where amongst others he and i were ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and arabella lives there ...
    Bruce Mowbray: Why is my memory locking into Malta....?
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh -- Maybe it's arabella. . . I'm thinking of, yes!
    Bertram Jacobus: don't know ! why is it !? ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: Yes, Bert is right
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Thank you both.
    Bertram Jacobus: and so you must be close to Circleville, Bruce ? ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: yes Bruce, me and arabella are very similar ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I am about 20 miles from Circleville - which is where my lady-friend Lainey lives.
    Bertram Jacobus: lady-friend ... what does that mean - that you two are a couple ?
    Bruce Mowbray: It simply means that Lainey and I are very good friends.
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe - really fef ? i did not know that ! which are your similarities !? :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: We travel together (Panama, New York, etc.) and we have no secrets - and we get together at least once a week.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay. ty Bruce. here i try to learn much and a lot of English (!) ...
    Bruce Mowbray: That's great, Bert -- This is a great place to learn.
    Bertram Jacobus: sounds very nice ! ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes, to learn some ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Most Americans would use the term "girlfriend." But we prefer "friends."
    Bruce Mowbray: so I say, lady-friend.
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. "only this" - and : ah ! okay fefonz ... ;-)
    Fefonz Quan: oops, I don't manage to claim the session, clicking on the fountain base does not work
    Bertram Jacobus: this is very special : in the English language sometimes (mostly, often?) - you don't know whether the "friend" people talk about are male or female - different to the German language ...
    Fefonz Quan: yes, similar to Hebrew Bert, we also got different pronunciation for them
    Bruce Mowbray: Good point, Bert.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, "lady-friend" clears that up .
    Bertram Jacobus: may be try again fefonz ? or relog ? or shall i take the claim and send it to you ? (but therefore i would need to know your email address fef) ...
    Fefonz Quan: (Is one of you able to claim the session? is it just my problem here?))
    Bruce Mowbray: I could also claim it -- no problem.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, I will claim it.
    Fefonz Quan: ok, thanks Bruce.
    Fefonz Quan: hehe :)
    Bertram Jacobus: lool :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: me thinks : "and that's only that he took the service .. so friendly .. hiding it ?" ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: so you have a lot of nature around you Bruce there ?
    Bruce Mowbray: OK --- a picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a photo of Lainey and me in New York....
    Bruce Mowbray: http://hermitdog.com/NewYork/NewYork2009/NYC145.JPG
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - cool ! let me see ... :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Happy friends.
    Bertram Jacobus: really nice ! :-))
    Fefonz Quan: That's a great picture Bruce! :)
    Bruce Mowbray: thanks. Yes, Bert, I literally live in a forest - on the edge of the field that is our farm. "A lot of Nature around."
    Bruce Mowbray: thanks, Fef.
    Bertram Jacobus: sounds wonderful ... :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't think I could ever again live in a city - although I love to visit cities.
    Bertram Jacobus: i can understand that very well ...
    Bertram Jacobus: although it's different to me : i'm a child of the town so to say ...


    Going to New York City for the peace and quiet

    Fefonz Quan: Well, i love living in the city
    Bruce Mowbray: The background sounds of this sim are so similar to those at my farm that when I turn off SL I can still hear them!
    Bertram Jacobus: and / "but" i love, nearly need to be in the nature, outside, now and then, "urgently" (!) ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Tel Aviv? Jerusalem?  -- (@ Fef).
    Fefonz Quan: Tel Aviv.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhhh.
    Bruce Mowbray: I would love to visit Israel.
    Fefonz Quan: I do love traveling in the country side too, surely
    Bruce Mowbray: I like to say that I go to New York for the "peace and quiet."
    Fefonz Quan: I warmly recommend it Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I'd love to visit your country, although it's pretty unlikely that I ever will.
    Bertram Jacobus: (by the way : i mostly make notices in the avatars profile here - so i can remember more easily) ;-) ...
    Fefonz Quan: In fact, when I lived at Princeton, i frequently found i needed to travel to NY in order to be more peaceful
    Bruce Mowbray: Me too - (keep notes) and I have updated both of yours in my notes.
    Fefonz Quan: why wouldn't you Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I can understand that, Fef. Especially Central Park. . .
    Bertram Jacobus: and why do you both write "peace in ny" ? i first thought, that had been a joke - no ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I probably will not visit Israel because there is a bit of a "cash-flow" challenge.
    Fefonz Quan: Well, especially the Village Bruce :) for green trees and hills, Princeton got it all
    Bruce Mowbray: No -- It's not a joke (about peace and quiet in New York.)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahh yea, Greenwich Village.
    Fefonz Quan: no, not Joking here too.
    Bertram Jacobus: why is it ? normally one would think, on the country side of Ohio it would be much more peaceful - no ?
    Bertram Jacobus: and more quiet as well
    Bruce Mowbray: Not to put too fine a point on it, but New York is perhaps one of the friendliest and safest and easiest-to-get-around-in cities on the planet.
    Fefonz Quan: well, I found out that it depends where you live
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. i start to see ... ty both ! ... :-)
    Fefonz Quan: For me, If i would live in Ohio, i guess, after some weeks this peacefulness or quiteness will make me crazy
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Things are very peaceful in the country - - but there's a different sort of "peacefulness" in NYC.
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, the country life does take some getting used to -- especially when one is retired with no place to go every day.
    Fefonz Quan: and then, getting around people on coffee houses, restaurants, small city squares, it's so nice
    Bertram Jacobus: very nicely explained Bruce . now i can understand very well
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, a lovely town, New York.
    Bertram Jacobus: and same from you fef ! various aspects of the same thing - so nice and interesting ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bert -- You have visited Israel?
    Bertram Jacobus: no. not yet
    Bertram Jacobus: but i had a friend who was often (?) / sometimes at least there ...
    Bertram Jacobus: he had at least one half of Jewish related family when i remember correctly ...
    Bruce Mowbray: You know what I like? -- Options! I can be in the country, small villages, or big cities, all within an hour's drive.
    Fefonz Quan: yes, indeed. so are you living one hour from NYC?
    Bruce Mowbray: no no no --- I live an hour from Columbus, Ohio. From New York it is a 1 1/2 hour plane flight.
    Bruce Mowbray: I will be there three weeks from tomorrow - for four days.
    Fefonz Quan: oh, sure, think i should have got it earlier...


    Bruce Mowbray: I hate to be harping on about myself and New York. . . but I can't resist telling you that on my 65th birthday, I walked a few miles along 5th Avenue. . . http://hermitdog.com/NewYork/September-2007/5thAvenue/Page.htm (that was three years ago.)
    Bruce Mowbray: We just has a visitor - during the break - but he's gone now.
    Bruce Mowbray: had
    Bertram Jacobus: ah wow - so many pictures ! ...
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, so many memories!
    Bruce Mowbray: When you were at Princeton, Fef, did you ever go for long walks in New York?
    Bertram Jacobus: and the passing by visitors ... yeah - many pass by and some take a look, some even come back ! ... :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I didn't know whether to interrupt the break to welcome him.
    Fefonz Quan: Sure Bruce
    Fefonz Quan: I've been to the city about once every two weeks
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow! I am envious. I only get there twice a year.
    Fefonz Quan: well, that's what happens when you are 1.5 hours away, and have vacation for half the time ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

    Outside noise brings inside quiet?
    Fefonz Quan: I am thinking about what we talked earlier, how sometimes outside silence brings up the noise in you, while external noise and turmoil make the inner mind so peaceful
    Bertram Jacobus: i great the people im when such happens Bruce ... i mean, when new people come here in the silent phase ...
    Bruce Mowbray: (thanks for the tip - I will IM new-comers during the breaks from now on.)
    Bertram Jacobus: external noise makes the mind peaceful ? that is not my personal experience i guess ... hm -
    Bertram Jacobus: Greet* ;o)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes about the silence -- That was probably the major reason I moved to the farm four decades ago -- to be able to listen better inwardly.
    Bertram Jacobus: damn : greet* :o)            
    Bertram Jacobus: whao - what a great motivation Bruce !
    Bruce Mowbray: "greating" the people is cool. . . far better than "grating" the people!
    Fefonz Quan: Well Bert, it depends on the mood, and state of mind beforehand i guess, surely at other times silence in nature is doing the job just right
    Bertram Jacobus: now seem my typo phase havin begun lol ... :o)
    Bruce Mowbray: One of my best friends (who is an Israeli citizen) lives in New York. I visit Oran whenever I go to that city:
    Fefonz Quan: we are grateful though, Bertram ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: http://hermitdog.com/NewYork/NewYork2009/NYC138.JPG
    Bertram Jacobus: nearly can't imagine that fef (!) - that point, that external noise gives inner peace (!?) ...
    Bruce Mowbray: Oran lives at the intersection of Broadway and 91st Street. The photo is from the roof of his apartment house.
    Fefonz Quan: well, cool!
    Bruce Mowbray: Oran is a FANTASTIC musician -- and is hired by some VERY famous people to arrange their songs.
    Bruce Mowbray: (like James Taylor).
    Bertram Jacobus: and okay fef ( @ grateful) :-)
    Fefonz Quan: (Bert - that' happens when I come to the point that i need to see people, be around people after being too long at home, isolated)
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh - I really do understand what Fef means by outer noise making for inner peace --- like on the subway. . . or even in Times Square.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! hmm - yes ... now i can understand a bit better ... thinkin ... (fef) ...
    Fefonz Quan: Exactly. While the external noise is loud, the inner mood is humming a nice causy tune to itself
    Bertram Jacobus: you're right : that is my experience too : need a middle path of action and peace to feel balanced fef
    Bruce Mowbray: It is as if the outer noise pulls the inner noise out of me -- and then I am inwardly quiet.
    Fefonz Quan: enjoying the vicinity of people, the rush, laughs, strolling around


    Fefonz Quan: Friends, i'll go to sleep now, had a busy day
    Bertram Jacobus: okay - then have a nice relaxin time fef !
    Fefonz Quan: Good night, and enjoy the cities, vilages, farms and roads wherever you are traveling!
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. ty. you too :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, Fef. Thanks for being here today.
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_

    The Cologne Cathedral

    Bruce Mowbray: I have been in Cologne -- and was so impressed by the enormous cathedral there.
    Bertram Jacobus: oh - when were you here ? :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: many years ago --- 1966.
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ! :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: I did a "grand tour" when I was 23.

    Bruce Mowbray: nine different countries in Europe.
    Bertram Jacobus: it's the world's biggest gothic cathedral ...
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes,  -- It's an amazing structure. . . and about four times as old as America.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. cool. a typical trip Americans did those days ?
    Bertram Jacobus: yeah - building started in 1248 (of the Cologne Cathedral)
    Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I think the idea of the "grand tour" originated during the Enlightenment (1700's).
    Bruce Mowbray: something that "educated" people from Britain expected themselves to do.

    The Age of Enlightenment

    Bertram Jacobus: enlightenment 1700's ? what does that men plz !? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - but - wasn't enlightenment already much earlier also ... happening ? ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: roughly 1700-1800.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay -
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, much earlier, if by "enlightenment" you mean, like, Buddhist enlightenment...
    Bruce Mowbray: but I am referring to an "historic period" by that name.
    Bruce Mowbray: like The Age of Enlightenment...
    Bruce Mowbray: It is a totally different meaning of the term from what the Buddhists mean by it.
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i never heard that before ...
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. . . let me find something for you. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: just a sec, please.
    Bertram Jacobus: np. i tried to search also already ... ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ok. Seems I can't get into my browser anyway. sorry.
    Bertram Jacobus: np again -
    Bertram Jacobus: in contrary : ty :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: the time of Thomas Jefferson, Rousseau, . . .
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ...
    Bruce Mowbray: anyway, it started to be the "necessary thing" to have a Grand Tour of Europe -- and Cologne was an absolute "must" to visit on that tour.
    Bruce Mowbray: because of the cathedral, mostly, I think.
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, I'll leave Bruce - hope you don't mind ... yes, interesting .... sometimes it's so abrupt in the chat - sry
    Bruce Mowbray: ok -- Have a good night, Bert. Good seeing you again.
    Bertram Jacobus: and now also telephone - bye
    Bruce Mowbray: ok. Bye for now.

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