2010.09.03 01:00 - We get to be the "mad scientists"

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    Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session. At first I expected that I'd be alone again, so I started talking to myself.


    Wol Euler: friday 3 september, 1am

    Wol Euler: my gods, september already. How time flies.

    Wol Euler: Insofar as time exists at all, of course.

    Wol Euler: At the retreat in Halifax last month, Pema suggested "letting yourself be seen" as a new exercise in the appreciation of Being.


    Wol Euler: (I'm somewhat intermittent here, in RL I am sitting in a Starbucks talking to a Mexican hotelier whom I met in the street, guiding him onto the scenic train up the Rhine to Cologne, rather than the faster-but-far-inland route that Deutsche Bahn wants you to take.)

    Wol Euler: so, yes, letting yourself be seen


    But then I was interrupted by the arrival of a Person from Atlanta. The rest of the tale may never be told.


    Dash Earthboy: good morning!

    Wol Euler: hello dash

    Wol Euler: up early again?

    Dash Earthboy: yes for about 2 hrs now

    Dash Earthboy: how is your day?

    Dash Earthboy: are you in Starbucks?

    Wol Euler: yes, rl conversation

    Wol Euler: sorry :)

    Dash Earthboy: oh no prob

    Dash Earthboy: glad you at least have someone in rl keeping you company

    Wol Euler: mexican guy, in germany to see lawyer about getting to see his kids

    Wol Euler: ex-wife took them here

    Wol Euler: :(

    Dash Earthboy: oh

    Dash Earthboy: domestic problems...poor guy!

    Wol Euler: hasn't seen his kids in 2 years

    Dash Earthboy: dang

    Wol Euler: yah


    Dash Earthboy: is his wife trying to keep the kids away from him for cause?


    Bertram arrived at this point, closely followed by Susan, so Dash's question went unanswered. I can only go by what R said, but I believe taking the kids and running was a legal/political chess-move rather than being motivated by fear for their or her safety.


    Wol Euler: jsut a mo

    Dash Earthboy: hi Bert!

    Dash Earthboy: good to see ya!

    Bertram Jacobus: hi dash, susan, wol ! :-)))

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. ty dash :-)

    Susan Aloix: Hey Dash...bert...wol :)

    Dash Earthboy: hi susan!

    Susan Aloix: :)

    Bertram Jacobus: you were sitting in silence before here ? :-)

    Dash Earthboy: :)

    Dash Earthboy: oh, just hanging out ;)

    Bertram Jacobus: okayy ...

    Dash Earthboy: having coffee

    Bertram Jacobus: and now, wol seems to be a bit absent ... (?) ;o)

    Wol Euler: sorry, back

    Susan Aloix: :)

    Wol Euler: that's the problem with public internet

    Wol Euler: it is in public

    Wol Euler: people talk to you

    Bertram Jacobus: hehee - np at all - happy to see you - is your inet connection allright again wol ?

    Dash Earthboy: ya

    Wol Euler: hello bert, susan

    Susan Aloix: hey wol :)

    Wol Euler: susan, have you been here before?

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. in public ? talkin people ? at your work place wol ?

    Susan Aloix: Wol...only a few times...:)

    Wol Euler: no, I'm in a stabucks, midtown

    Wol Euler: still no internet at home

    Susan Aloix: ahh what time is it where you are wol?

    Wol Euler: ok, susan, just checking. We have to ask about recording and publishing the log

    Wol Euler: it's 10:30 in the morning here in Germany, sunny and cool today, blue sky

    Susan Aloix: ohh nice......6.40pm here in australia overcast raining but warm

    Wol Euler: early Spring for you?

    Susan Aloix: yeah :)

    Dash Earthboy: 4:40 AM here near Atlanta

    Susan Aloix: wow thats early dash

    Dash Earthboy: ya

    Wol Euler smiles and shakes her head. Too early for me


    There followed a pause, then we got rather serious.


    Wol Euler: How is everyone this morning/afternoon?

    Bertram Jacobus: ty. i'm happy to see you wol ... so seldom the last times ... but i have difficult times, again sadly. sry to report such ...

    Dash Earthboy: i'm happy to have installed Debian on an external drive I can boot from if my laptop hard drive fails

    Wol Euler: I'm sorry to hear it, Bert.

    Dash Earthboy: care to share Bert?

    Susan Aloix: yeah...sorry to hear Bert

    Bertram Jacobus: to say it simple : lost my job, have very bad persons at the state office who want to push me in terrible jobs and am old now and without education. so my situation is very difficult ...

    Wol Euler sighs

    Dash Earthboy: oh my...that is definitely how they'd treat you here too :(

    Bertram Jacobus: but - all is a possibility to learn, especially the difficulties

    Susan Aloix: ohh sorry to hear bert.....:(

    Susan Aloix: yeah Bert...i'm sure you've made it through many difficult situations before ......and much learning in that...but yeah its hard

    Bertram Jacobus: it is even said : the harder the better (for learning) ...

    Dash Earthboy: what kind of job did you have Bert?

    Susan Aloix: yeah...i've found it so bert

    Susan Aloix: the older we get the harder the challenges..the more it demands on us to it sit in positivity....

    Wol Euler nods.


    Bertram Jacobus: mostly i did something with transportations, in many various forms ... but at the moment i feel a bit tired - the last - let me say around two years were especially difficult again and again on various fields and so i would like very much to recreate and relax for a while but that seems not to be what i have or get from life, so ... have to accept, even more : to appreciate - as said before : to learn all this ...

    Bertram Jacobus: oops - sry


    Darren joins us, followed by Calvino.


    Darren Islar: hey :)

    Dash Earthboy: hey Darren!

    Bertram Jacobus: hey darren ! :-)

    Wol Euler: hello darren!

    Wol Euler: nice to see you again

    Susan Aloix: hey darren :)

    Darren Islar: and nice to see you again :)

    Susan Aloix: yeah Bertram....i like your determination to find meaning in your situation.....that helps me

    Bertram Jacobus: i think it would be time to change from a capitalistic system to a so to say "spiritual" one - whereas in german that has not such a mystical meaning : spirit in german means also mind (!) ...

    Wol Euler nods.

    Susan Aloix: interesting.........is there a word similar to spiritual in german bert?

    Wol Euler: it seems pretty clear that capitalism is committing suicide

    Wol Euler: or rather that it's attempting to kill "society"

    Susan Aloix: yes....it certainly carries very questionable values with it

    Bertram Jacobus: that is what i'm looking for susan in english (! *laugh a bit, silently*) : in german we use the english word : spirituell

    Susan Aloix: ohhh :)

    Dash Earthboy: to me, money is wampum, no intrinsic value

    Wol Euler: true enough!

    Dash Earthboy: yet NPR has guest speakers claiming gold has intrinsic value!

    Wol Euler: heh

    Wol Euler: well, you can make false teeth from it

    Susan Aloix: :)

    Dash Earthboy: the capitalist mindset cannot truly accomodate spiritual values

    Darren Islar: :)

    Wol Euler: can't put a price on them

    Dash Earthboy: good one Wol

    Bertram Jacobus: yes. very good one

    Dash Earthboy: hi Cal!

    Bertram Jacobus: hey cal

    Wol Euler: have you noticed that every report of every event in the newpaper, now includes an estimate of what the damage cost?

    Wol Euler: morning calvino

    Darren Islar: hey Cal :)

    Susan Aloix: Hey cal :)

    Dash Earthboy: seems like that , wol

    Bertram Jacobus: no. did not notice that wol. will take a look on it now

    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone :)

    Wol Euler: ((I'm going to have to leave punctually at 2am, work is pressing hard today.))

    Dash Earthboy: Bert, i can relate to having problems switching from transportation good jobs to something else

    Susan Aloix: (ok Wol...it was lovely to meet you)

    Dash Earthboy: thanks Wol

    Bertram Jacobus: yes wol : best wishes may be with you ! :-)

    Wol Euler: I've not left yet! six more minutes :)

    Dash Earthboy: hehe ;)

    Dash Earthboy: Bert, my first time in Atlanta was a transportation company sending me to lead a team inspecting MARTA, their public transport

    Dash Earthboy: that was before they had the trains in the system


    Susan crashes out briefly.


    Dash Earthboy: Susan?

    Dash Earthboy: y'all still there?

    Wol Euler giggles

    Bertram Jacobus: yes

    Dash Earthboy: whew!

    Bertram Jacobus: me yes ;-9

    Dash Earthboy: smiles

    Bertram Jacobus: but susan may have been crashed

    Wol Euler: yeh, she left pretty abruptly. Probably a crash

    Darren Islar: I think she has

    Darren Islar: oh is sl also painly laggy to you in the last few days ?

    Wol Euler: seems ok to me today, darren

    Dash Earthboy: off and on

    Darren Islar: hmmmm

    Dash Earthboy: i didn't install the new Emerald before coming on today

    Dash Earthboy: any of you try it yet?

    Wol Euler: nor I

    Wol Euler: downloaded but not installed


    Darren Islar: did neither

    Dash Earthboy: susan's back!

    Wol Euler: downloaded Imprudence too, to test it, haven't tried yet.

    Wol Euler: but I must go :((((((

    Wol Euler: goodbye all, enjoy the day.

    Dash Earthboy: peace be with you Wol!

    Susan Aloix: bye wol :) peace

    Wol Euler: ty, and likewise

    Bertram Jacobus: [ok wol - hope to see you soon again ] !

    Darren Islar: bye Wol, nice to have seen you :)


    I logged out to my so-called real life, and left the recorder running.


    Dash Earthboy: Anyhow, Bert, that experience inspecting MARTA inspired me to return to Atlanta a few years later and do other work

    Bertram Jacobus: okay ...

    Dash Earthboy: what we do for work does influence our lifestyle

    Bertram Jacobus: but in germany that is not so easy : without official papers and documents, education and such you nearly get nothing to work. the only chance then is to do something self employed - which i did for many years too ... and may be will do again

    Dash Earthboy: that's another option for you

    Dash Earthboy: it's good to have options

    Dash Earthboy: my lack of degree has been used to exclude me from work I can do too

    Bertram Jacobus: and for sure : i agree : what ever we do is an influence. but it's not the worst when you have nice transportation jobs : for example i had for a while long rides with a very comfortable car with small parts for airplanes to repair now and then. very good paid. there i had my haed free and much time ...

    Dash Earthboy: but my son's degree isn't getting him any better responses from the same employers

    Dash Earthboy: ya, repairing/maintaining planes does pay well :)

    Bertram Jacobus: and an other variation is to see many people every day when you do deliveries and also on the road there are so many encounters (!) - and all those one can use to try to do some so to call "good" (!) ...

    Dash Earthboy: yes, good opportunities for socializing

    Bertram Jacobus: yes. for helping people, showing that nice encounter with even totally unknown people - is heart warming or how ever one wants to call such

    Dash Earthboy: is anybody here a guardian?

    Susan Aloix: yes it very much is bert........

    Bertram Jacobus: yes. me. why do you ask ? and cal too

    Dash Earthboy: oh ok, good to know we're covered


    Susan brings the topic around to Play as Being, finally.


    Susan Aloix: did anyone read Pemas report?

    Dash Earthboy: yes Bert, helping others along the road is a great feeling

    Darren Islar: not yet

    Susan Aloix: nods...its an interesting read

    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. sure. and wol may have claimed the log - i guess ...

    Darren Islar: it's her slot

    Susan Aloix: i did a quick read..... i liked his ideas on arising

    Dash Earthboy: do tell

    Bertram Jacobus: i don't want to bore you - say it so often, but - i feel always lacks in my abilities with the english language - and therefore i don't feel able sadly to share so much with reading such reports and reacting on them and so on sry ...

    Dash Earthboy: no prob Bert

    Bertram Jacobus: tyvm dash

    Dash Earthboy: it's just that in science it is hard to study the results if one is participating in a way that effects the results

    Susan Aloix: appearance i mean ....not arising...(just re-read the last bit)


    Is PaB a scientific experiment? Calvino disagrees quibbles (as would I have done had I been there).


    Dash Earthboy: my understanding is that Play As Being is a somewhat scientific experiment?

    Susan Aloix: he writes : One way to plunge into this third way of exploration is to start with appreciation. We can appreciate the presence of appearance. That at least seems quite innocent. Appreciating is an activity that is quite gentle, and doesn't tend to let us centralize that much on the subject pole of experience. So let's try this. For a few days, at least, take many very short breaks, a few times an hour, and remind yourself: appreciate the presence of appearance.


    Susan Aloix: you make a lot of sense bert.....sorry you're not able to enjoy the reports

    Susan Aloix: opps

    Susan Aloix: :) that last cut and paste was from Pemas report...

    Bertram Jacobus: very handy description dash ! ty - and i would guess that pab has a lot of aspects - so also the scientific one. but my impression is, the personal experiment and experiencing and such - may be the "more importtant ones" ...

    Dash Earthboy: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I take that quote as mostly meaning "appreciate what appears"

    Susan Aloix: yeah.....its so simple...its beautiful

    Calvino Rabeni: PaB is more like an experiment in applied philosphy, than science

    Dash Earthboy: cool, thanks Cal

    Calvino Rabeni: Empiricism applied to phemonena

    Darren Islar: :)

    Darren Islar: I guess that covers it :)

    Calvino Rabeni: We get to be the "mad scientists" who experiment on ourselves

    Dash Earthboy: been living that way since puberty

    Susan Aloix: lol

    Darren Islar: I guess we will talk more about that quote this afternoon Susan

    Susan Aloix: yeah true...i came here thinking this was the time one

    Darren Islar: afternoon to me that is :)

    Susan Aloix: evening here :)

    Darren Islar: ah.....

    Susan Aloix: midnight

    Bertram Jacobus: bye for now all - i'll leave - have a nice time - and may all beings be happy plz ! ...

    Darren Islar: so the time session is very early in the morning for you?

    Dash Earthboy: you too Bert!

    Darren Islar: bye Bert

    Susan Aloix: take care bert

    Bertram Jacobus: and ty for the talks and all your nice words ! *wave* ...

    Dash Earthboy: when I came here an hour ago it appeared Wol was the only one here

    Susan Aloix: time session will be at midnight (i think) its now 7.30pm

    Darren Islar: ah yes, you're right, all that counting to and fro....... :)

    Dash Earthboy: i thought to myself....we need some conversations going on in this session

    Darren Islar: no, it is at 7 am slt

    Dash Earthboy: oh, I hope Bruce can make that session

    Darren Islar: he normally does

    Dash Earthboy: ya

    Darren Islar: so it will be 1 am to you?

    Dash Earthboy: if i'm inworld, I'm usually meditating somewhere else at that time

    Dash Earthboy: who, Darren?

    Darren Islar: Bruce

    Susan Aloix: yeah....7am SLT is 1am here

    Susan Aloix: too late lol

    Darren Islar: it is a bit of a difficult time yes

    Dash Earthboy: ah, ok :)


    Dash Earthboy: i'm gonna boogie...y'all have a good one!

    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_

    Susan Aloix: I'm off as well...might try and make the later one. tc

    Calvino Rabeni: I'm off as well :)

    Susan Aloix: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that's it :)

    Darren Islar: me too :)

    Susan Aloix: bye for now cal and darren :)

    Darren Islar: bye :)

    Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)

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