2010.09.03 19:00 - Serious Digging

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The lack of comments is by Calvino Rabeni.

    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Calvin
    Calvino Rabeni: Salutations, Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good evening, Cal.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Ewan.
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Ewan - was happy to see that you got your chat log posted - - apparently with few or no problems, I hope.
    Bruce Mowbray: chat.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, Bruce...really no problems...you guys guided me nicely...and it really is not difficult..
    Bruce Mowbray: sounds good. Well, this session has not yet been claimed. . . so. . . ?
    Ewan Bonham: i can not claim it tonight, because i was going to leave in a few minutes for RL stuff..
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Cal just got it. Thanks!
    Bruce Mowbray: AFK for just a sec....
    Ewan Bonham: Sorry, folks...gotta run suddenly...
    Calvino Rabeni: I suspect Cinda will arrive and reclaim it
    Calvino Rabeni: So soon, Ewan ? Well best of the evening to you :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm back -- and Ewan. . . gone already.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Everything is rezzing so slowly tonight
    Eliza Madrigal: and hi Cal too
    Bruce Mowbray: My -- a gorgeous dress you are wearing!
    Calvino Rabeni: Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: mind if I lower the fountain?
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good evening, Luci.
    Bruce Mowbray: Lowering the fountain would be good.
    Lucinda Lavender: Good evening to all!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :)
    Eliza Madrigal: great, thanks
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Lucinda Lavender: taking a deep breath
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, fountain isn't lowering... AO not turning off...
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry for the hand waving, haha
    Bruce Mowbray: the fountain is off in my viewer, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm
    Lucinda Lavender: low in mine...
    Bruce Mowbray: yep, low - not off.
    Eliza Madrigal: now it is fixed... thanks...
    Lucinda Lavender: Cal thank you so much for being here...
    Calvino Rabeni: YW Cinda
    Lucinda Lavender: Did he tell you I forgot?
    Bruce Mowbray: I love the hand gestures, Eliza -- - You talk a bit like Temple Grandin.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Paradise.
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, of course not Lucinda. Cal was a gentleman
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Paradise!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paradise :)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce. I think it looks a bit odd...
    Paradise Tennant: hiya lucinda ..eliza .. bruce .. cal .. sorry not everyone has rezzed ..must see 4 little cushions :))

    Lucinda Lavender: Ah...well I was stapling tar paper on to the back of a shed with my nephew....
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: when I remembered to check the clock
    Eliza Madrigal: that seems as good a reason as any, Lucinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: smiling
    Lucinda Lavender: what shall we talk about this eve?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, not sure at all... long day, sleepy eyes :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :0
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...imagine so...
    Bruce Mowbray: I spent much of the day talking to insurance adjusters -- and trying to appreciate the presence of their appearance.
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, trying seems a step down from where you were this morning. Were they difficult?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: $3,100 estimated damage from yesterday's accident.
    Lucinda Lavender: in a car?
    Eliza Madrigal: Yikes!
    Bruce Mowbray: No, they were all wonderfully polite and kind.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I was broad-sided yesterday morning.
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Lucinda Lavender: feeling ok?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh My... thought you'd been talking to people concerning the farm...
    Bruce Mowbray: no one hurt -- everything under control -- but a bit of a shake-up. . .
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding
    Bruce Mowbray: Nope, not the farm. Just a second, I will show you the car.
    Lucinda Lavender: wow
    Lucinda Lavender: glad you are ok
    Bruce Mowbray: I can't remember whom I've already shows that to -- so my apologies for redundancy.
    Eliza Madrigal: So someone just merged into you, not looking?
    Bruce Mowbray: shown.
    Bruce Mowbray: She went through a stop sign and drove directly into the line of traffic going 55 mph.
    Bruce Mowbray: We we both very lucky.
    Lucinda Lavender: wow
    Eliza Madrigal: thank goodness not more serious, but yes anything like that is startling
    Lucinda Lavender: an older driver?
    Bruce Mowbray: But it's all over now and the insurance is footing the bill.... so end of that story.
    Eliza Madrigal: after effects, too
    Bruce Mowbray: Nope -- she looked to be about 40.
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Lucinda Lavender: I almost had an accident yesterday
    Paradise Tennant: ouch
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh my -- What happened, Luci?
    Lucinda Lavender: driving and trying to remove a smudge from my face when traffic stopped in front of me...
    Lucinda Lavender: front
    Paradise Tennant: nods momentary distraction :)
    Paradise Tennant: can be dangerous
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: one might stop and think of all the near misses they have in the course of a week... a month...
    Eliza Madrigal: wow
    Lucinda Lavender: made me think looking the mirror a definite distraction
    Bruce Mowbray: It's enough to provoke belief in guardian angels and such.
    Paradise Tennant: yep cell phones .. maps .. restless dogs .. dropped coffee
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Paradise Tennant: all can make you wobble at the wrong time
    Eliza Madrigal: and then there is the not being able to control what the person in the 'other' car is doing...
    Lucinda Lavender: trying to do too much
    Lucinda Lavender: causes me to play a catch up game
    Eliza Madrigal: oh?
    Lucinda Lavender: do stuff in the car I should not
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) I suppose we've all done that at times.
    Eliza Madrigal: sure
    Bruce Mowbray: The illusion of "control"---
    Bruce Mowbray: I've been pondering the notion of language as a device for "controlling time."
    Bruce Mowbray: The thought came to me this week, , , as I was walking with my dog.
    Lucinda Lavender: were you wanting to feel more in control or less
    Bruce Mowbray: My dog, by the way, understands language fairly well - but does not speak a word of English himself.
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd say - the illusion of *complete* control. We manage partial control
    Calvino Rabeni: Just like the world is able to seem pretty systematic and rational - it works pretty well
    Calvino Rabeni: but it isn't ultimately that way, not complete enough to do business
    Calvino Rabeni: That's the challenge of it - the pretty-goodness of the fit
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, it seems to me that one of the purposes of language is to help us continue the illusion that the past continues to exist.
    Eliza Madrigal: my son and I wondered about that today, re the cat. We thought that intimations and under-communications are things that pets understand... rather than words
    Bruce Mowbray: so, we use words to describe experience -- but that is always PAST experience.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bruce Mowbray: and by using those words, we MISS present experience....
    Paradise Tennant: dogs understand words and they can count .navigate very well strategize .. too !
    Eliza Madrigal: and misrepresent experience

    Calvino Rabeni: Well, suppose you're a piece of water in a waterfall.. there's a rather significant history in where you happen to be "right now"
    Bruce Mowbray: I have no doubt that animals can think and understand far more than we give them credit for --- and also that animals are more keenly "present" than humans are ---
    Bruce Mowbray: and I "blame" language for party of that.
    Bruce Mowbray: for part of.
    Bruce Mowbray: That's why I say that language is a tool for "control" ---
    Bruce Mowbray: But the truth is -- we cannot step into the same experience twice.
    Eliza Madrigal: language seems a reflection to me...
    Bruce Mowbray: (even though language would suggest that we can.)
    Eliza Madrigal: so yes adds distance but doesn't have to be a restrictive medium perhaps
    Calvino Rabeni: All living creatures with or without language carry the momentum of the past and a projection of the future into their in-the-moment process
    Calvino Rabeni: language or no
    Calvino Rabeni: even the lowly amoeba
    Calvino Rabeni: we have a fancier version of that
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Cal. . . I love the concept of momentum.
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry...had to order pizza
    Calvino Rabeni: Pizza ? I'll be right over :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Lucinda, your nephew will be happy
    Paradise Tennant: smiles a Lucinda ..just poured a glass of malbec that would go great with your pizza :)
    Bruce Mowbray: When someone asks me what "Karma" is - I always answer: "momentum!"
    Lucinda Lavender: just for me and husband...
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: left nephew slaving away with husband
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Paradise Tennant: momentum ..
    Paradise Tennant: always think are thoughts are momentum creating actions ..
    Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Para.
    Eliza Madrigal: 'the foolish are bound by karma, while the wise are liberated by it'... guess that is like words themselves.... Ah! Interesting connection indeed , Bruce
    Calvino Rabeni: Are we all totally vulnerable to the vagaries of the world? Or are we pretty well taken care of, resting in a protective embrace?
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the sound of that Paradise..
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the sound of protective embrace
    Paradise Tennant: votes for the protective embrace ..
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Eliza, that makes a lot of sense
    Lucinda Lavender: I like the sound of the word Malbec
    Bruce Mowbray: I second that -- am all in favor of protective embraces. . . if they are not restrictive at the same time.
    Paradise Tennant: this is a good one !
    Eliza Madrigal: :) well, protective embrace sometimes can feel hm... challenging
    Calvino Rabeni: How could a protection not be restrictive?
    Calvino Rabeni: We surf the edge of chaos
    Eliza Madrigal: we know on the ledge ;-)
    Lucinda Lavender: thinks of a song called Meet on the Ledge
    Bruce Mowbray: I may let myself be embraced- thinking that the intent was to protect -- when actually the intent might be to restrict me in some way.
    Calvino Rabeni: And practically - I've had a number of close calls in traffic lately - should I worry about the almost-might-have-been?
    Eliza Madrigal: not worry, but see it
    Bruce Mowbray: So, although all protection is restrictive in some way, the intention behind the embrace is what worries me.
    Paradise Tennant: hmm a true protective embrace does not stop harm . just makes you see harm for what it is ..
    Lucinda Lavender: surfing indeed
    Lucinda Lavender: sense potential harm
    Eliza Madrigal: I have this friend... really not interested in spiritual things, but she seems to have been affected deeply by an ATT commercial which shows two different scenarios... one singular moment going in two different possible directions
    Calvino Rabeni: A spiritual commercial ?
    Eliza Madrigal: when she talks about it, her face is bright and glowy like she's been to the mountaintop :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't... It is really selling a phone I think...
    Paradise Tennant: thinks of the movie sliding doors
    Bruce Mowbray: I have seen that commercial I think - - - the one where the folks meet on the subway - and have a kid that becomes president?
    Eliza Madrigal: meaning "If you had this phone you wouldn't have missed the moment"
    Lucinda Lavender: because there is the awareness increased
    Eliza Madrigal: but, she was sparked beyond that by the idea of the split
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm,, Sliding doors.. yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I think in this one the girl is a ballet dancer
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Sounds like a bit of a prodding by dharma-Tao - or who knows....?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, druth.
    Eliza Madrigal: anyway, this idea of split second potentials is interesting in this... not worrying over those near misses but also noticing?
    Bruce Mowbray: ok -- I had the wrong commercial.
    Lucinda Lavender: hi druth!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: thud
    Eliza Madrigal looks around excitedly to see what av druth is in....
    Lucinda Lavender: wondering if we will come back to language as topic...?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Bruce Mowbray: split-second potentials. . . . sounds a bit quantum.
    druth Vlodovic: hi :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Steve
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve gtsy :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure, yes sorry about that tangent :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: evening
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, steve.
    Calvino Rabeni: Language as a topic ... in what does language exist?
    Bruce Mowbray: I was a fine tangent -- and happy to continue with it, if you wish, Eliza.
    druth Vlodovic: hi steve
    Lucinda Lavender: the mind
    Calvino Rabeni: In the split second world of potentials, near misses, momentum ...
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, no just rambling I think... not sure, haha
    Lucinda Lavender: language that expresses past more than future
    Paradise Tennant: one of my oldest friends I met at a bus stop
    Bruce Mowbray: Language consists of codes that yield meaning - to persons who know those codes.
    Calvino Rabeni: And aren't we often trying to express something that seems present but nonlocal?
    Paradise Tennant: funny how these chance encounters can shape your life
    Eliza Madrigal: how nice :) I met a great boyfriend at a bus stop as a teen :)
    Lucinda Lavender: non local yes!
    Calvino Rabeni: A thought - it has the full situation, the past and future somehow wrapped within
    Bruce Mowbray listens to Para and Eliza... on chance encounters that change lives.
    Calvino Rabeni: And though the thought can't be retained, the world around it has ... momentum

    Eliza Madrigal: he's still a facebook friend, hehe.. bus stops are places of potential
    Lucinda Lavender: how were you impacted by the bus stop friend I wonder...
    Eliza Madrigal sits on hands
    Paradise Tennant: thinks that often our language is too specific .. if we could be like dogs and just growl and bark when we were mad imagine all the horrible things that would never get said and never be remembered
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: mmmm.... language enables remembering in a certain way - - - sort of freezes momentum in its tracks.
    Bruce Mowbray thinks that "momentum" and "memento" are quite similar....
    Calvino Rabeni: Remembering includes the feeling of motion, does/ can it not?
    Calvino Rabeni: Someone must have decided memory was a snapshot in an old fashioned camera
    Bruce Mowbray: sure, and language has several different tenses --- and moods --
    Bruce Mowbray: like "progressive" I am now brushing my teeth, etc.
    Lucinda Lavender: to me...momentum is about speed
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it does/has/will/ought/might be "able to say"
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, thinking of that.. perhaps that frozen snapshot mentality is a conditioning...
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: So, momentum is the "moving" side of inertia (the other side being "at rest")?
    Paradise Tennant: memories evolve
    Paradise Tennant: change shaped by how we view them
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe that's a dream of some philosopher, not a feature of our lived bodymind
    Paradise Tennant: they are not any more static than we are
    Eliza Madrigal: well it seems a result of packaging... and who was the first to have that idea?
    Paradise Tennant: except maybe smell .. smell seems to be pretty specific .. the scent of roses always makes me think of my grand mother .. white linen perfume an aunt :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thoughts and memories are fluid, to be sure -- but look at what happens when language refers to itself -- When packages refer to other packages -- not to contents of those packages.
    Eliza Madrigal: Lovely, Paradise
    Lucinda Lavender: after i started looking at dreams as hints about future in some cases then I also thought that perhaps the memories were changeable as well
    Bruce Mowbray: smell seems pretty direct and present experience -- and is powerful in evoking memories, to be sure.
    Paradise Tennant: wonders if the future is static
    Calvino Rabeni: The memories are changeable
    Eliza Madrigal: that's a helpful distinction bruce
    druth Vlodovic: music too, but not so much raw sound
    Lucinda Lavender: not exactly sure how it works but different parts of a story become important and then the story changes I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: and nodding with Lucinda, I think dream practice has helped open memory personally...
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves at druth :)
    Bruce Mowbray thinks about the immediacy of music -- how every note has to be let go in order for other notes to become present.
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, ... there is a fluidity
    Lucinda Lavender: yes bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, druth!
    Calvino Rabeni: Sound is a gateway - because it fills space - is ephemeral, and all mixes together but maintains its separateness
    Bruce Mowbray: But here's what concerns me: every institution of any sort (religious, educational, governmental, etc.) always uses language that refers to itself -- over and over.
    Lucinda Lavender: and music is a vehicle as is language
    Eliza Madrigal: self-promotional you mean, bruce?
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. music . takes you places :)
    Bruce Mowbray: so language is employed by institutions to perpetuate their own existence -- by referring to themselves as if they were something Present -- when in fact, their vitality might be centuries dead.
    druth Vlodovic: re-inforcing their existence and importance in the minds of those around, a sort of mental existence
    Calvino Rabeni: Isn't it interesting to listen to all the ideas circulating around, mixing together, and know that some of them might emerge as the conceptual body of some future religion?
    Calvino Rabeni: And in the now, we can't see which, although prophets may take a crack at it
    Bruce Mowbray: I think this is why phenomenology - when it first started -- Husserl, etc. -- insisted that we stay with present experience, rather than appeal to "classical authority."
    Bruce Mowbray: also existentialism, of course.
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. likes watching the ebb and flow of everyone's thoughts .. like watching waves .. moment .. motion .. flow
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Surely, some folks in the future will try to use things from present culture to build belief systems upon...
    Eliza Madrigal: my feeling, perhaps overly optimistic...
    Calvino Rabeni: Great conversation, friends, but I have to go ... good evening all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Cal
    Bruce Mowbray: as in "A Canticle for Leibowitz": -- they built a whole religion on a shopping list.
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Cal.
    Lucinda Lavender: bye cal! thank you again so much!
    Bruce Mowbray: thank you.
    Eliza Madrigal: ... is that because we have conversations like this... and newly open dimensions
    druth Vlodovic: cyu cal
    Paradise Tennant: waves good nite cal
    Eliza Madrigal: we may always have institutions but they will be more fluid...
    Eliza Madrigal: perhaps like music in that way... walking from room to room
    Eliza Madrigal: openly
    druth Vlodovic: religion doesn't need courage without support, thought and even spiritualism really does
    Eliza Madrigal: so in that way we can really share and appreciate
    Bruce Mowbray: I would hope that future religions would be based on "open dimensions," but I'm pretty skeptical of all religions, actually.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, sure... skepticism seems part of why the change is possible

    Bruce Mowbray: The most profoundly spiritual experiences, for me, have been when I am totally present. . . as with music, or some scene in nature, or even with a brilliant "present" idea, etc.
    Bruce Mowbray: But the key to "spiritual" for me, is presence.
    Lucinda Lavender: same here Bruce...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... you mentioned 'fresh metaphors' once bruce, and I thought that was lovely...
    Bruce Mowbray: yep, I am a metaphor scavenger.
    Eliza Madrigal: I've also had 'old' and even 'religious' metaphors.. or music, or paintings... come 'alive' anew.... fresh eyes or ears I guess...
    Eliza Madrigal: when we're open everything is open?
    Lucinda Lavender: wonder that too...
    Bruce Mowbray: absolutely so, Eliza. . . In fact, I had to "go East" with my spirituality to even understand the metaphors used in the West.
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess I'm still thoughtful about adams's email this morning...
    Eliza Madrigal: YES :))
    Eliza Madrigal: or rather report
    Bruce Mowbray: me too. I've thought about it a lot.
    Bruce Mowbray: and so has Pema.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I went back to read what Adams was reading... or try to...
    Paradise Tennant: blinks has not read it :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Lucinda needs to remember what it was...
    Eliza Madrigal: and I think some of what we've talked about tonight gets near to that re language...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, basically openness and true appreciation for all faiths, etc... Adams conveyed looking for that in this week's chapter
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't mean to mis-characterize, just paraphrase
    Bruce Mowbray: Here is what Adams wrote:
    Bruce Mowbray: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions/Weekly_Reports/...Adams
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce!
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: I appreciated Pema's response to Adams' concerns, also.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, very much so
    Bruce Mowbray: It seemed to me that Adams was using Pema's method (appreciating the presence of the appearance) as she was reading Pema's chapter... and that's what she was writing about in her report.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, good people, It is after 11 p.m. here in the east, so I must get to bed.
    Lucinda Lavender: appreciate it
    Eliza Madrigal: serious digging and exploring
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you all for this session.
    Bruce Mowbray: good night!
    Eliza Madrigal: me too actually... Thank you Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: And Lucinda, and Paradise and Druth.
    Lucinda Lavender: good night Bruce,
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles thank you everyone ..going to scoot too .. :)
    Paradise Tennant: namaste :)
    druth Vlodovic: 'night
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yikes.. forgot about dancing
    Lucinda Lavender: good dances and dreams to all
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, I should keep my word if anyone wants to tag along :)
    Lucinda Lavender: where is that?
    Eliza Madrigal: Rooftop of Chelsea Hotel...
    Eliza Madrigal: Sitar. he's been here a few times
    Lucinda Lavender: have fun!
    Eliza Madrigal: plays really wonderful 'world' music
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I'm sleepy but said I'd go for a bit :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Enjoy your pizza
    Lucinda Lavender: will do...it has arrived!
    Lucinda Lavender: see you soon...
    druth Vlodovic: have fun you two
    Eliza Madrigal: Yum. Night, and Night Druth :) Good to see you
    druth Vlodovic: ty :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I wonder if Cal claimed this for me
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, if you didn't, then he did :)
    Eliza Madrigal: That's nice
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    Lucinda Lavender: it takes a village
    Eliza Madrigal: oh my does it ever!
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: dance on then...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes we'll see.. he has a minute to send me a tp or I'm zzzz
    Lucinda Lavender: the village awaits your arrival
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: Sweet dreams when you get there my friend
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: dreamed I birthed twins this morning!
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Lucinda Lavender: girl and boy
    Eliza Madrigal: Wow that's an incredible dream
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: do you have a sense about it?
    Lucinda Lavender: not really
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe though play as Being and Mystery School
    Lucinda Lavender: two creative places
    Eliza Madrigal: wow that's a lovely thought
    Lucinda Lavender: that require care
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: tending
    Eliza Madrigal: cultivating :)

    Lucinda Lavender: we shall see
    Eliza Madrigal: that's beautiful... maybe it represents things on many levels
    Eliza Madrigal: what an inspiring image
    Lucinda Lavender: fruitful
    Eliza Madrigal: so glad you shared that, yes :)))
    Lucinda Lavender: happy
    Eliza Madrigal: now I really don't want to go dancing but dreaming instead ;-)
    Lucinda Lavender: best to you...ah a dream has just come online...I will see if she comes here
    Lucinda Lavender: dreamer
    Eliza Madrigal: :) bye for now
    Lucinda Lavender: bye for now


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