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*The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.*

Bertram Jacobus: hey cal ! :-)

Calvino Rabeni: Hello Bert:) How are you?

Bertram Jacobus: i'm always astonished : why are you awake at such times like this now ?! it must be terrible late or early where you live, no ? :-)

Calvino Rabeni: 1AM is only a little late for me :)

Bertram Jacobus: ty, i'm bad, but ty for asking. **work trouble** or more precise : out of work and very** bad perspectives** - have to work on that very hard. also bad people around me related to that topic - very difficult ...

Bertram Jacobus: ah 1 am is not too late - i thought it would be 3 or 4 - something around that ! ... ;-)

Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure how to take that ... bad people tempt you to stay up late?

Bertram Jacobus: no : difficult people who make it hard for me to find good new work

Bertram Jacobus: they want to push me in bad jobs

Bertram Jacobus: or don't give me urgently needed documents

Bertram Jacobus: and i feel very tired about all that ...

Calvino Rabeni: I see, well that sounds troublesome

Bertram Jacobus: sry if i express it in a not so easy to understand way ...

Bertram Jacobus: and yes : it really is

Calvino Rabeni: What makes them bad?

Bertram Jacobus: that they don't help but hinder

Calvino Rabeni: what caused them to do that?

Bertram Jacobus: anger i guess, personal problems

Bertram Jacobus: being unhappy and such

Bertram Jacobus: **not knowing how life could be better**

Bertram Jacobus: suffering

Bertram Jacobus: all that ...

Bertram Jacobus: no spiritual insights

Bertram Jacobus: **materialism **- with all it's hurting elements ...

Bertram Jacobus: **capitalism **- whether it's time will ever end ? or even soon ? that would be nice !

*A long pause right about now, as I pondered my response to these handles, and didn't manage much...*

Bertram Jacobus: sry - feel too bad - i'll leave . have a nice time ! will be better soon - don't worry plz

Calvino Rabeni: Sorry to hear it - hope you feel better soon Bert

--BELL--

*With Bert gone, I reflected these little word handles are attached to huge bags of stuff...*

Calvino Rabeni: "Materialistic describes a person who is markedly more concerned with material things (such as money and possessions) rather than spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values; an adherent of materialism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialistic

Calvino Rabeni: "Capitalism is an economic and social system in which capital and land, the non-labor factors of production (also known as the means of production), are privately owned; labor, goods and resources are traded in markets; and profit, after taxes, is distributed to the owners or invested in ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

--BELL--

*I didn't actually want to think about this, but to stay more grounded. About now Wol appeared, presenting a potential alternative to these abstractions.*

Calvino Rabeni: It has just been brought to my attention that avatars do not breathe

Wol Euler: good morning, cal. I hope I'm not disturbing you?

Calvino Rabeni: Not at all Wol

Wol Euler smiles.

Calvino Rabeni: How are things going, Wol?

Wol Euler: pretty well, mostly, thanks.

Wol Euler: somewhat pressured. I had hoped that work would have calmed down by now, but that's not the case.

Wol Euler: **and yourself**?

*That was a nice handle but I felt like getting grounded in some particularities, and Wol was happy to provide a discussion based on rhythms and particularities of working life in a specific field, doing specialized activities. *

Calvino Rabeni: Does work go in cycles?

Wol Euler: for architects, definitely.

Wol Euler: there is a lead-in time of at least 18 months before work starts on site, which is pretty intense.

Wol Euler: getting things figured out

Calvino Rabeni: Long cycles

Wol Euler: then the building work commences, and the architect is suddenly *extremely* busy

Wol Euler: because all of hte errors and inconsistencies and forgotten corners suddenly come to light.

Wol Euler: and have to be dealt with instantly, else the contractors put in a claim for damages because they can't continue to work

Wol Euler: once that is sorted out, it gradually tapers off to nothing at all, until about a month before completion

Wol Euler: when it becomes clear that the project is running irretrievably late :)

Wol Euler: and then it gets frantically busy again

Wol Euler: in short: yes :)

Calvino Rabeni: What happens between the extremely busy periods?

Wol Euler: well, there is always something to do. The building trades are on site sequentially

Wol Euler: you need to build a wall of bricks before you can plaster it, and you have to plaster it before you can paint it

Wol Euler: generally we try to keep ahead of the trade that is about to start next

Wol Euler: so we are working on documentation for them

Wol Euler: (drawings, materials, prices)

Calvino Rabeni: So that's not design then, it's process management

Wol Euler: right

Wol Euler: this something that is NOT taught in schools :)

Wol Euler: there is a huge paradigm switch in the middle of hte architectural process

Wol Euler: when you start a project, it's about space and volumes and usage, who sits where, how the light enters a room

--BELL--

*Process and experience - develop in their own way...*

Wol Euler: but that changes when you finish the rough design and are about to make it buildable

Wol Euler: after that point, what you draw is not about space but about *processes*

Wol Euler: who does what in which order

Wol Euler: I only figured that out after many years in the profession

Calvino Rabeni: That sounds like construction process ? Or do you mean the design patterns of how the building is to be inhabited?

Wol Euler: what we do first is the latter, how the building will be inhabited.

Wol Euler: what we do in the second stage is the former, construction processes

Wol Euler: and aso the dividing up of responsibilities: who will do what

Wol Euler: because that is not always clear. The woodwork of the roof plane might be put up by the steelworkers rather than the carpenter

Wol Euler: if it is more logical for it to happen in parallel with the steel structure, to stabilize it

Wol Euler: (exmaple from our current site)

Calvino Rabeni: I suppose you get to quit before needing to direct traffic and ensure people actually use the space according to design

Wol Euler laughs.

Calvino Rabeni: I didn't realize architects were so involved in the detailed construction process

Wol Euler: I'll tell you this: it is our job to instruct the contractor that he needs to supply toilets for his work crew :-/

Calvino Rabeni: !!

Wol Euler: "**remember to breathe while working**."

Wol Euler shrugs.

Calvino Rabeni: What kind of building is it?

Wol Euler: this is a swimming pool/health/sauna complex

Wol Euler: three pools, four saunas, wellness

Calvino Rabeni: What was your previous project?

Wol Euler: also a swimming pool :)

Wol Euler: we have specialized, through no fault of our own

Wol Euler: after you get a few such projects under your belt, you start getting invited to take part in competitions for future pools

Wol Euler: a virtuous cycle

Calvino Rabeni: I see, you get typecast

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: which is actually fair and useful, compared to actors, because we invest huge amounts of time and effort into learning how to do pools

Wol Euler: reading all the regulations

Wol Euler: learning where the problems are, and hte standard solutions to those problems

Wol Euler: if I asked you to cook a Beef Wellington from scratch, right now, you'd (forgive me) do it moderately badly

Wol Euler: but the third one that you cook wold be pretty damned good.

Wol Euler: architecture is like that :)

Calvino Rabeni: So it is pools from now on ....

Wol Euler laughs.

Wol Euler: I like pools, I#d have no problem with that.

Wol Euler: but a forty-storey building would be fun too

Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps a skating rink will be in the cards

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: we've done schools and kindergartens too, and a factory, and plenty of housing

Calvino Rabeni: Over time, what changes have you seen in the practice of architecture?

Wol Euler: huh

Wol Euler: the big change has been computerization, of course. I started wtih pencils and big drawing boards

--BELL--

Wol Euler: sorry, I hadn't noticed the time. I have to go to work now (yes, saturday morning)

Wol Euler: we'll continue anohter day

Calvino Rabeni: Glad you stopped by Wol

Wol Euler: me too, take care. Get some sleep :)

Calvino Rabeni: Thanks - Bye :)

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