2010.09.05 01:00 - Getting more awake

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    I was half awake when this session started (due to the late hour) but after a short group meditation things livened up and I ended it feeling energized.

    Archmage Atlantis: Hola, Calviino
    Calvino Rabeni: Archmage - hello
    Archmage Atlantis: It is early here
    Archmage Atlantis: 3 hours to sunrise
    Calvino Rabeni: Are you up early, or late ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Both, I must say
    Archmage Atlantis: Being awake and asleep through the night
    Archmage Atlantis: Is it daytime there?
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm 3 hours earlier than you

    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Susan :)
    Susan Aloix: Hi Cal :) Hi arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Susan
    Archmage Atlantis: Does everyone wish to meditate in silence? or is a topic of value?
    Calvino Rabeni: Actually - I could go for either of those :)
    Andi Topaz: hello everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Andi
    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Andi
    Susan Aloix: Welcome Andi...nice to meet you
    Andi Topaz: nice to meet you too Susan
    Andi Topaz: welcome Sharry
    Darren Islar: hi all :)
    Andi Topaz: Hi Darren
    Archmage Atlantis: Please have a cushion, Andi.........Hi Sharon
    Sharry Ragu: thank you, and hello all :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Sharry, sorry about that
    Andi Topaz: are we here in a meeting or do we go on with the discussion ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Darrren.....
    Calvino Rabeni: We were just considering, whether to *start* a discussion, or perhaps sit and meditate
    Darren Islar: hi :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I just asked Cal that
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Darren :)

    Sharry Ragu: Archmage... sorry?
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, it is early in the morning on Sunday
    Andi Topaz: actually we had a nice discussion about mental health in the group chat
    Andi Topaz: and about works etc
    Archmage Atlantis: Sounds like a good starting place Andi
    Andi Topaz: so we shared our expieriences as Susan invited us
    Calvino Rabeni: Great topic, and thanks for coming
    Andi Topaz: ok, to update all
    Andi Topaz: its my pleasure
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Andi Topaz: i shared with the group that Louise Hay learned me a lot of new tricks
    Andi Topaz: and another way i follow is Brainsync, which influences brainwaves via sound
    Susan Aloix: Yeah i just met Andi and Sharry - both are members of Positive Psych group.....and I invited them over here
    Andi Topaz: but i dont want to hijack this meeting though
    Calvino Rabeni: I should mention, that the conversations here are recorded on the group's web site - if you have any objections let me know and I will keep your comments off the record
    Susan Aloix: Brain sync - i've tried that Andi
    Andi Topaz: hows your expierience?
    Sharry Ragu: I shared that I found a very useful philosophy/practice through Louise Hay.. which goes "it's not about what has happened to you, it's about what you do with it"
    Andi Topaz: i perfectly agree with Sharry
    Sharry Ragu: and thank you Susan :))
    Andi Topaz: from my own expierience, you have to grow first to come to this point
    Archmage Atlantis: I know Louise Hay's work from the dark times of Aids....many found comfort in her thoughts.......I do not know Brain sync
    Susan Aloix: Focusing on what to *do* rather than *whats happened* is always interesting to me Sharry..nods
    Darren Islar: brb
    Sharry Ragu: [and good morning Archmage]
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste Sharry
    Sharry Ragu: yes Susan, I find it reminds me I am an active participant in my life
    Andi Topaz: what is this group about Archmage ?
    Susan Aloix: Yeah...i love the positive psyche movement in many ways.....opens up a whole new world
    Andi Topaz: indeed
    Archmage Atlantis: Cal is the one to ask officially, ......., for me it is about connections
    Calvino Rabeni: Andi, in a nutshell, it's about open or contemplative dialogue
    Andi Topaz: sounds good
    Calvino Rabeni: We meet here and every 15 minutes there is a brief pause for an awareness meditation
    Calvino Rabeni: which just means, noticing what we areexperiencing
    Calvino Rabeni: There's one coming up in 3 minutes
    Calvino Rabeni: and then the idea is to bring something from that awareness into the discussion
    Calvino Rabeni: we don't have fixed topics
    Calvino Rabeni: But there's the idea of "coming from" personal experience
    Sharry Ragu: here and now, present moment practice..
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes :)
    Susan Aloix: yeah Sharry :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Did all of you receive the notecard discussing the group?
    Sharry Ragu: beautiful!
    Susan Aloix: :) yeah
    Andi Topaz: i would like to get the note pls
    Sharry Ragu: I do have info and have been here before ;)
    Andi Topaz: ty cal
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to recommend five minutes meditation, when the bell rings at 1:45
    Calvino Rabeni: Normally the group does 90 seconds :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I was lucky, to find ppl who came here....and yes I agree Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: And if you like, comment on it afterward :)
    Andi Topaz: ok
    Sharry Ragu: what I like about being here.. right now.. is the acceptance and being..
    Calvino Rabeni: TY Arch
    Andi Topaz: although this concept is new to me, i give it a try
    Sharry Ragu: I accept Calvino :))
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Sharry
    Archmage Atlantis: It is an attempt at knowing, not a rule of beingg
    Calvino Rabeni: Often in a pause like that I get a sense of wholeness and presence, sometimes it's a bit random, but often refreshing
    Darren Islar: pondering about Arch's last words
    Calvino Rabeni: The bells coming up in a minute or less :)

    Archmage Atlantis: Well, bells, I thought of Cracker Jacks
    Archmage Atlantis: Silly mood today, I suppose
    Calvino Rabeni: "ting" :)
    Andi Topaz: smile
    Sharry Ragu: I found myself to be curious about Calvino's statement.. I don't know if I need a pause to feel wholeness and presence.. although the refreshing is definately there :))
    Andi Topaz: ok, i felt energy running through my body and the chakras. furthermore the time was compresed. at the 90 sec bell i thought it is just 10 sec
    Calvino Rabeni: I felt some of those energies, and they got a little stronger, it felt good
    Andi Topaz: intressting aspect Sharry
    Calvino Rabeni: Often my normal thinking is focused on something, and I kind of forget my whole self
    Calvino Rabeni: so letting the thought stream go for a while brings me back
    Calvino Rabeni: I guess I'm often task-focused
    Andi Topaz: nothing wrong with that
    Andi Topaz: imho, it depends on the balance
    Calvino Rabeni: no, nothiing wrong at all
    Andi Topaz: i was for years under high voltage without relaxing at all
    Andi Topaz: not to recommend :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been there too :)
    Sharry Ragu: not at all.. I was a very task-focused person for a long time.. I am reflecting now that the more accepting I have become with myself.. the less effort it takes to remain aware of wholeness.. although it is not my 'every moment' state *grins and laughs*
    Susan Aloix: its hard to drop out of even high voltage moments...let alone high voltage lifestyles......
    Archmage Atlantis: We see, to be.....too my thougts confused about natural power
    Calvino Rabeni: I think of these brief pauses and an opportunity for "remembering self" - I'd like to have a nice balance between self awareness and outer focus
    Susan Aloix: sometimes letting go of our need to remain *right* *accelerated in thought* can be hard...
    Andi Topaz: right *grins*
    Sharry Ragu: a nice balance I believe Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a lot of training in public school to "pay attention" as I recall :)
    Andi Topaz: well, what is right ? isnt it mostly a convention from the outside world, forced on us ?
    Sharry Ragu: hehe... pay attention to what exactly ;)
    Susan Aloix: they are interesting the 90 sec pauses like acknolwedging another force besides the force of conversation
    Sharry Ragu is cheeky
    Calvino Rabeni: which included forgetting self and controllign thoughts to do things
    Andi Topaz: or shut down expieriencing
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Andi
    Calvino Rabeni: Susan, that makes sense
    Andi Topaz: or being a tool for the companies
    Sharry Ragu: I agree.. think of others.. mind others, be polite.. social policy
    Susan Aloix: when we are convinced of our own positions i mean andi....sometimes its hard to drop it and just listen to another view
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes,I have felt that - renting my mind out to the company
    Susan Aloix: or just breath...
    Archmage Atlantis: Stil one can hold a part of self away
    Andi Topaz: yes Susan
    Sharry Ragu: completely Susan
    Andi Topaz: just renting Cal ? haha
    Sharry Ragu: renting... geez.. I thought they were after my soul?? lol

    Andi Topaz: right !
    Archmage Atlantis: they are Andi.....only the idividual choose the contract
    Calvino Rabeni: Sharry - well I hoped to get it back at night :)
    Sharry Ragu: ???
    Sharry Ragu: lol
    Andi Topaz: lol
    Darren Islar: there also seems to be a way of not being focussed on yourself, and yet being self, as in including the outside world, not having a and at the same time have a focus on both of them
    Susan Aloix: nights a good time to get your soul back cal lol
    Calvino Rabeni: But frankly, it felt the soul got put on hold for long periods
    Sharry Ragu: actually, what I found interesting, was that I was responsible for .. 'allowing' it to happen ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree, Darren
    Andi Topaz: wonderful thought Darren
    Andi Topaz: has anyone heard here about "energy Vampires" ?
    Archmage Atlantis: You'd make a good Yogi, Darren.....your words make sense with outout making sense
    Calvino Rabeni: The outside world has an "inside" - one can experince "other" in a rich personal way
    Sharry Ragu: I agree it is possible Darren
    Darren Islar: heheheh, that wasn't my goal Arch
    Darren Islar: :))
    Darren Islar: it just came up
    Andi Topaz: Darrens words in my short interpretation MATRIX
    Susan Aloix: was nicely expressed darren
    Andi Topaz: or, be yourself without knowing what you are
    Andi Topaz: LOL
    Calvino Rabeni: The distinction is - having a full personal experience, but not necessarily thinking "about" oneself as a preoccupation
    Sharry Ragu: exactly..
    Calvino Rabeni: The state of flow of often like that I think
    Darren Islar: right Cal
    Sharry Ragu: honesty.. first with self, then to express that honesty..
    Calvino Rabeni: A personal experience of the world, of others , maybe forgetting self as an object, but at the same time fully embodying oneself
    Sharry Ragu: honouring self AND other
    Calvino Rabeni: Honesty, or maybe, authenticity?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes fully honouring
    Sharry Ragu: good question..
    Sharry Ragu: are they synonomous?
    Calvino Rabeni: honouring I feel might start with awareness ?
    Andi Topaz: how about being grateful what what you are ?
    Andi Topaz: for what*
    Calvino Rabeni: That seems entirely legitimate and useful
    Archmage Atlantis: Good question, about being synonomous......2 can be the same, yet differ
    Sharry Ragu: the self wants to indulge however I need to honour feeding my family... thank you all, I look forward to playing again!
    Andi Topaz: have a great day Sharry
    Calvino Rabeni: THanks for stopping by, Sharry
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, love, this is not play, it is being
    Susan Aloix: take care Sharry nice to meet you
    Darren Islar: bye Sharry :)
    Sharry Ragu: Namaste
    Archmage Atlantis: Take care Sharry
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Andi Topaz: namaste
    Darren Islar: Namaste
    Darren Islar: namaste
    Calvino Rabeni: Not play but being ... ?
    Calvino Rabeni: For me, being takes care of itself - feels pretty free and lively
    Andi Topaz: let me extent your thougt, dont play to be Brad Pitt but be Andi
    Andi Topaz: or, dont measure yourself with Brad Pitt or whoever...
    Calvino Rabeni: Or I could play to be Calvino playing to be Brad Pitt
    Darren Islar: to me the playing part is the given space in which you can explore
    Calvino Rabeni: ah... yes I get that
    Calvino Rabeni: I feel, opening up the space a little more and free-ranging
    Darren Islar: makng me understand being a bit better
    Archmage Atlantis: I assume that is addressed to me, Cal........to be is to be open to what life throws in my way......to play is to use what is open to me
    Andi Topaz: for me is play, look around the corner
    Susan Aloix: yeah Darren..playing is about exploring...
    Calvino Rabeni: "look around the corner" -- funny, it's possible literally in second life
    Calvino Rabeni: seeing around corners
    Darren Islar: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Although I almost feel I can see around corners and into cabinets with the mind's eye in RL also
    Darren Islar: it takes both confidence and guts to look around new and unknown corners
    Calvino Rabeni: wow, yes
    Andi Topaz: yep
    Calvino Rabeni: Even to know the corners are there
    Darren Islar: right
    Calvino Rabeni: to kind of feel their presence, before peeking at what might be there
    Darren Islar: and besides that being able to see things in a relative way

    Darren Islar: it makes exploring much easier if we don't take things too serious :)
    Susan Aloix: unknown ...yeah how to transform the unknown into excitment and away from the clutches of doubt and dread...*hmm*
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes - I was thinking exactly that during the pause
    Calvino Rabeni: noticing that my feeling is quite positive
    Calvino Rabeni: while during the more active thinking theres a strange concern it might somehow wander off track ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure what that's about
    Darren Islar: I guess doubt and dread will be always part of new things, along with excitement, joy, etc
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't experience doubt and dread about the new things, but maybe do feel it about the notion of *controlling my thoughts*
    Darren Islar: hmmmm, interesting Cal
    Andi Topaz: it was a wonderful inspiration to meet you guys
    Andi Topaz: i wish you a nice weekend
    Andi Topaz: bye bye
    Calvino Rabeni: anyway the effect of the opening of my awareness during the pause, seems a shift from identifying my experience as slightly anxiety, to a positive enjoyable emotion
    Susan Aloix: yeah they are there to protect us...but sometimes.....just writing a poem can stir doubt or dread instead of excitment...and thats where one has to question it....
    Darren Islar: by And :)
    Darren Islar: Andy
    Calvino Rabeni: Andi, good to meet you :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care :)
    Susan Aloix: Oh bye Andi...nice meeting you
    Susan Aloix: nice to hear cal
    Darren Islar: I guess active thinking brings us into the 'daily life thinking'
    Calvino Rabeni: It's funny, it's the same emotional energy but with two different interpretations
    Darren Islar: question what Susan?
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe in the awareness state it has a fuller space - the open space Darren was mentioning
    Susan Aloix: yeah....i can feel that dance of interpretations at times too
    Susan Aloix: oh i was enjoying the ideas we were throwing around with doubt and dread and excitment.....its fun to throw a light onto it
    Darren Islar: I guess doubt and dread are results of the way we have learned to think, but that is our starting point
    Darren Islar: ah, I understand
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I nearly always take the image here for granted - the water and the fountain - as if it doesn't matter - but it seems possible it does matter
    Calvino Rabeni: Meaning, I've learned to think it doesn't matter
    Darren Islar: (suddenly seeing us literly throwing around with excitement, joy, dread and doubt as in a slap stick :))
    Susan Aloix: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking today, the center object might be changed to have a switch, to become a fire circle instead of a pool
    Darren Islar: sounds like a good idea
    Susan Aloix: yeah cal....fire would be nice and warm
    Calvino Rabeni: It seems like it may have become part of our collective psyche, all the hours spent sitting focusing on a water image
    Darren Islar: it has a different quality
    Susan Aloix: you guys are coming into fall now? fire might be nice for you soon :)
    Darren Islar: it would be nice to play with it
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, autumn,things cooling off
    Calvino Rabeni: although last winter the pool "froze" for quite a while
    Susan Aloix: air is ripe with spring here
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a favorite time of year of mine
    Darren Islar: ah.....spring
    Darren Islar: but I like winter too
    Darren Islar: we had a few weeks of real winter last year
    Susan Aloix: :)
    Darren Islar: ice, sun, skating people, hardly any wind, open, fresh

    Susan Aloix: yes scent of jasmine is out.....insects (urgh) ......the ocean water enticing....and the freedom to wear fewer clothes....nice...and the temp just right for day -dreaming
    Darren Islar: but for now, I am going to enjoy the hot water coming out of my shower, and of course after that a nice cup of coffee :))
    Darren Islar: ah, daydreaming :)
    Susan Aloix: nice...enjoy darren
    Calvino Rabeni: :)) I'm always envious when Darren says that
    Susan Aloix: yeah....:)
    Calvino Rabeni: See you later, Darren :)
    Darren Islar: see you and thanks for the great discussion :)
    Susan Aloix: sounds nice.....bye for now darren :)
    Susan Aloix: thank you!!
    Calvino Rabeni: :)) Darren
    Calvino Rabeni: I think that about does it for me -- although I feel a lot more awake and energetic now then when the session started :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night, Susan / Archmage


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