2010.09.05 13:00 - You and Me, Free to Be

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.  On Sunday afternoons, I attend a Quaker Meeting in RL, and afterwards I scoot quickly to a nearby sports bar to use their wi-fi - so I can be at the 13:00 PaB session.

    Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Arch and Koya.
    Mickorod Renard: hiya
    Archmage Atlantis: to both of you also, Bruce, Blub
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Mickorod and Darren.
    Archmage Atlantis: Darren, Mic....greetings and acknowledgment
    Mickorod Renard: watz on, anything interesting?
    Darren Islar: hey Mick, Bruce, Arch
    Bruce Mowbray: Make it happen, Captain.
    Mickorod Renard: hi daz
    Archmage Atlantis: Just arrived
    Mickorod Renard: was it poems tonite?
    Darren Islar: Mick, you've got you're voice on
    Mickorod Renard: have i,,sorry
    Archmage Atlantis: Unless Mick is singing reggae, I don't hear him
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm. . . poems? I think they've scheduled that for next weekend.
    Darren Islar: I hear his television :)
    Mickorod Renard: its not interesting I am afraid
    Archmage Atlantis: Much TV is, tho
    Archmage Atlantis: The science channel
    Darren Islar: I think poem night is in two weeks
    Mickorod Renard: great, I didn't get chance to create one
    Archmage Atlantis: Poem night? I think you said Darren
    Archmage Atlantis: All of life is a poem
    Darren Islar: yes
    Mickorod Renard: is my sound off now?
    Darren Islar: let me look it up
    Darren Islar: yes Mick
    Mickorod Renard: great thanks
    Archmage Atlantis: Where did Blub go?
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening everyone
    Mickorod Renard: Hi cal
    Darren Islar: ah, can't find it
    Darren Islar: threw a few e-mail away
    Darren Islar: hi Cal :)

    [I have never used the bar's wi-fi when I didn't crash - so it was no big surprise that I crashed.]

    Darren Islar: I think Bruce crashed
    Archmage Atlantis: To crash and return, that is human
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Calvino Rabeni: All life's a poem
    Archmage Atlantis: And all are composers on it
    Darren Islar: so is the beer I'm going to get :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes it is, especially if you can recognize that
    Archmage Atlantis: (thanks Will)
    Calvino Rabeni: am I in free verse or iambic pentameter?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt
    Qt Core: Hi All
    Archmage Atlantis: In my reality, all verse is free......the rhythm and the form are the choice of the poet
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been improving ... yesterday I was only a metaphor, but today I'm a trope
    Mickorod Renard: I am a trollop every day
    Archmage Atlantis: trope, not trollop
    Mickorod Renard: ohh
    Archmage Atlantis: looks for wings


    Mickorod Renard: poems 19th September, Sundays 1pm
    Darren Islar: thanks Mick
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Blub
    Darren Islar: wb Bruce and Blub
    Qt Core: Hi Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice of you to bring Bruce back also
    Mickorod Renard: Bruce, you seem well tanned, you haven't been falling asleep in the sun have you?
    Bruce Mowbray: wifi connection problems here in the sports bar....
    Archmage Atlantis: OOO, turn off = sports bar
    Qt Core: wonder what is a non-sport bar (if you leave out the very high class ones) :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: But I put up with makeup sessions, so at least in a sports bar there is something to drink
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku.
    Calvino Rabeni: I like sports bars - I eat them fairly often while hiking
    Darren Islar: hi Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: hi Yaku
    Qt Core: hi Yaku
    Darren Islar: and QT, missed when I was afk for a while :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ask a woman where she wants to go.....it will not be a sports bar
    Calvino Rabeni: where will it be, Arch?
    Bruce Mowbray: The bar is down the road from the Quaker Meeting House where we hold our meetings on Sunday afternoons. . .
    Archmage Atlantis: An unexpected quirky restaurant, most likely
    Qt Core: strategic positioning ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Not enough time to drive 27 miles back to the farm before this session.
    Mickorod Renard: cool, tell us about Quaker meetings?
    Bruce Mowbray: what do you want to know?
    Mickorod Renard: are they philosophical or/and God orientated?
    Bruce Mowbray: Every Meeting is different, Mick.
    Calvino Rabeni: What do they talk about when they stop sitting in silence?
    Archmage Atlantis: Probably wants to know if one quakes, ......, I know my antecedent had to explain how one shakes
    Bruce Mowbray: In our group (a tiny one) we have one person who identifies with Christianity -- the rest of us are a variety of non-theistic types.
    Mickorod Renard: do you need to be a believer in God, or something else in particular?
    Calvino Rabeni: Is it more likely to be (a) the state of the world, or (b) an illness in the family?
    Bruce Mowbray: As for the Quakers themselves, I can direct you to the standard fare for them . . . but we're quite different from the standard.
    Bruce Mowbray: You need only to respect your own path and the differing paths of others.
    Bruce Mowbray: That is all.
    Mickorod Renard: that's cool
    Qt Core: so you meet to let everyone go on his/her road ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: I am facinated, i nearly went to one near me
    Archmage Atlantis: In my experience, those who identify as Quaker, each is different
    Archmage Atlantis: Richard Nixon was a quaker
    Qt Core: don't know if that is good pr, arch...
    Bruce Mowbray: When our silent worship was finished today, we discussed modern poetry - specifically the poems of T.S. Elliot.
    Bruce Mowbray: we also discussed the art of Jackson Pollack.
    Mickorod Renard: wow, that's a sound subject
    Calvino Rabeni: I knew one who kept climbing the Berlin Wall and getting arrested by the East Germans
    Bruce Mowbray: we also discussed the "concrete" language used by a nearby community of Amish...
    Mickorod Renard: what sort of lasting influence has the Quaker background of US history left today?
    Archmage Atlantis: As I understand the Quaker practice, there is silence in the meeting, until someone is moved to speak.......is that accurate or close Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, silent worship.
    Archmage Atlantis: Large, Mick

    [I wish I'd been more thoughtful in my response to Mickorod's question. . .  Quakers have had a profound impact on America's traditions of separation of church and state and religious tolerance.  Instead, I typed. . .]

    Bruce Mowbray: Who knows. . . .? We do our bit here -- with court hourse peace vigils weekly - and an annual "Eyes Wide Open" exhibit that  in two weeks.
    Mickorod Renard: is there a Masonic link between Quakers. Or are they opposites?
    Bruce Mowbray: No link whatsoever to Masons (that I know of).
    Archmage Atlantis: It is part of the animation of the heart......as those of us who are shman co
    Qt Core: what do you exhibit Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: We exhibit a pair of boots for each Ohioan killed in the Iraq War ---- but we are in the process of switching to the war in Afghanistan now.
    Bruce Mowbray: just a second....
    Calvino Rabeni: @mick, traditionally Quakers are among "people of conscience" who may protest current social justice policies
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,ty


    Bruce Mowbray: Here is the website that I maintain for the group: http://circlevillefriendsworshipgroup.org/
    Calvino Rabeni: Another I know avoids or refuses getting raises at work, because the more salary, the more goes to the military via taxes
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Qt.
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a noble thought, Cal
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet, compensated by the system
    Qt Core: interesting idea Cal
    Bruce Mowbray: what do you mean "compensated by the system"?
    Archmage Atlantis: The money will be shifted, from one account to another
    Bruce Mowbray: Not sure what you mean with regard to Quakers, but we do not aim to control - only to witness and be authentic to our own calling.
    Calvino Rabeni: Is it kind of individualistic?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I understand the way of the Quakers as the beacon on the hill........most of us still try to struggle up the mountain
    Bruce Mowbray: ‘individualistic' on steroids, Cal!
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaaa..its Ara
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, arabella.
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
    Qt Core: Hi Ara
    Darren Islar: hey Ara :)
    Calvino Rabeni: For instance, there was some awareness that salary is well correlated with environmental impact, but what to do about it was left as an individual decision
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Arabella....finally a female presence
    Darren Islar: back 'in town' :)
    Bruce Mowbray: thank you Arch, that is a nice image -- but I assure you that most of us Quakers are also struggling - maybe even to find the mountain.
    Mickorod Renard: where does the word Quaker originate from?
    Bruce Mowbray: We think it comes from the shaking of people's bodies when they were filled with the "spirit".
    Bruce Mowbray: similar to "shakers."
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it is the body filled with the spirit of "many call it God"
    Archmage Atlantis: It cannot hold it, so it shakes and quakes
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,ok
    Mickorod Renard: wasn't the word Barkers synonamous with Quakers too?
    Bruce Mowbray: don't know about that, Mick. We usually call ourselves "Friends"
    Bruce Mowbray: as in the title of our group The Circleville Friends Worship Group.
    Mickorod Renard: yes, here they call the meeting place 'Friends Meeting Hall'
    Bruce Mowbray: yep!
    Calvino Rabeni: Bruce, is quaking still acceptable in a Quaker meeting?
    Bruce Mowbray: ha!  whatever one feels moved to do!
    Calvino Rabeni: Like a little dance of joy perhaps?
    Bruce Mowbray: virtually anything is acceptable - except disrespecting others
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Mickorod Renard: it has been suggested that our meetings here are similar in nature
    Bruce Mowbray: good night, Yaku.
    Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been tempted to join the Friends Meeting, but the folks I knew seemed a little on the dour side
    Darren Islar: nite Yaku
    Qt Core: 'night yaku, ops
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: So I'm wondering about the emotional tone of the typical meetings
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, there are some SERIOUS and pretty rigid Quakers around - but they don't last long in our Meeting. Ha ha.
    Mickorod Renard: me too Cal
    Bruce Mowbray: We tend to be very free and expressive - even a bit radical.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, steve!
    Archmage Atlantis: Too ford a void, interesting
    Darren Islar: hi stevenaia
    Calvino Rabeni: Well it's the same with the Unitarian churches around here - there's the "uptight" one and the "freewheeling" one depending I suppose on the neighborhood's demographics
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Qt Core: hi steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to all
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Vorder. Would you care to join us?
    Bruce Mowbray: If so, please take a cushion. . .
    Mickorod Renard: Hi steve, Vorder
    Vorder Forder: hello thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: Have you come to this gathering before, Vorder?
    Vorder Forder: no never
    Darren Islar: hi Vorder
    Vorder Forder: I thought I was an intruder
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. no problem.
    Vorder Forder: hello all
    Qt Core: no, welcome Vorder
    Bruce Mowbray: I've just given you a notecard about us -- and I need to ask if it's OK with you that we post your words in the chat log at our wiki website?
    stevenaia Michinaga: there are no intruders here :
    Archmage Atlantis: One cannot intrude on the truth one sees

    -- BELL --

    Archmage Atlantis: Yet none see all truth
    Qt Core: and often you don't even know if what you see is the truth
    Bruce Mowbray: I've just sent Vorder an IM with some information about how we operate -- also the most current Notecard.
    Bruce Mowbray: If anyone else wants that notecard, please let me know.
    Darren Islar: we are all 'old-timers' here :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Why not send it to all, Bruce......it can be kept or rejected as each chooses
    Bruce Mowbray: So, as Robert Frost wrote (in his poem "Birches"), where were we when "truth broke in with her matter-of-fact about the ice storm"?
    Mickorod Renard: I am tempted,,cos even though i am an old hand now my card may be out of date
    Qt Core: also we may still have an old edition of the notecard ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. I'll give everyone a copy...
    Darren Islar: true, sorry
    Bruce Mowbray: here we go....
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Bruce
    Qt Core: from the sharing of bread to the sharing of notecards... ;-)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The drinking of blood/wine to the drinking of knowing :)
    arabella Ella: Bruce I hope I am not interrupting but
    Bruce Mowbray: Who's drinking blood? Not me!
    arabella Ella: when I went through one of the Quaker sites you gave us
    Bruce Mowbray: go ahead arabella. what is it?
    arabella Ella: I was surprised to learn Quakers don't have to be Christians?
    Bruce Mowbray: yes....I only know one Quaker who considers herself a Christian.
    Bruce Mowbray: traditionally, yes, in England and the early Quakers in America were, of course, Christians.
    arabella Ella: but no longer necessary?
    Bruce Mowbray: but, as with Unitarian Universalists (who also once were Christian), the Quakers now (especially in America) are largely non-theistic.
    arabella Ella: it surprised me
    arabella Ella: as I wonder how it can work
    arabella Ella: and how it could have come about?
    Bruce Mowbray: NOTHING is "necessary" to be a Quaker -- except mutual respect for the spiritual path of yourself and others.
    Mickorod Renard: I find it intriguing too Ara
    Archmage Atlantis: I wish to know, tho you may chose to not answer, Arabella.....why is that a surprise....you seem informed
    Mickorod Renard: although I am happy to be classed as Christian anyway
    arabella Ella: I only browsed thru a website Bruce passed to me Arch
    arabella Ella: I ask as I am not very well informed
    arabella Ella: and I am curious too
    Archmage Atlantis: That is well to be
    Bruce Mowbray: at our website:


    Bruce Mowbray: you will find links to the traditional Quaker stuff. . . like silent worship, etc.
    Mickorod Renard: it is one reason why I am here - the chance to have a good chin wag
    Darren Islar: it surprised me too
    Bruce Mowbray: but you will find no creeds, theology, statements of belief, etc.
    Bruce Mowbray: That's because we don't have them.
    arabella Ella nods
    arabella Ella: how did it come about Bruce?
    Darren Islar: but I guess I didn't know anything about it
    Qt Core: it's quite different from the very little that is taught at school
    Bruce Mowbray: The movement began with George Fox in England during the 1600's.
    Vorder Forder: sorry to say I have to go now....hopefully I will be back very soon
    Darren Islar: bye Vorder :)
    Bruce Mowbray:


    Qt Core: hoping to see you again, Vorder.
    Bruce Mowbray: Please return when you can, Vorder.
    Bruce Mowbray: we meet four times every day - 1, 7, 1, 7 SLT.
    Bruce Mowbray: right here.
    Archmage Atlantis: I will give my opinion, Bruce.....I apologize if it offends....it is a first faith, the belief in believing,......not tied to any dogma
    Bruce Mowbray: an excellent way to state it, Arch: We believe in the believer...
    Qt Core: probably a reaction to too many of them
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure about that, Arch - I think walking the talk is important relative to believing, in that creed
    Archmage Atlantis: Not, imo, to many believers.....to too many that do not understand that belief grows and learns
    Bruce Mowbray: Frankly the reason I attend the Quaker Meeting is that the closest Buddhist Sangha is about fifty miles away... and Quaker silent worship is the closest thing I can find to a meditation group.
    Bruce Mowbray: silent meditation -- almost Zen-like.
    arabella Ella: Let me try to get my point across, Bruce, if I may
    Archmage Atlantis: kk
    Bruce Mowbray: please continue, ara.
    arabella Ella: I strongly feel that religions should build bridges and look for commonalities as opposed to differences

    stevenaia Michinaga: no religion is the devil :), belief is (wo)man's work
    Darren Islar: yes, and fear of learning about new things, being able to look around the corner, where we have been talking about this morning
    Mickorod Renard: I saw a program with Richard Dawkins on it the other day,,I fear that one day any sort of belief that cannot be classed as scientifically proven will be outlawed
    arabella Ella: but Mick that will only happen in very few places, the rest of the world is huge indeed


    Darren Islar: did he include South America ?
    Mickorod Renard: the point I am making Ara, is that who should decide which unproven belief is acceptable?
    arabella Ella: and what i mean mick is
    arabella Ella: that there is also another trend
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Galileo Galilei, Charles Darwin
    Qt Core: String theory would be outlawed too as not yet proven ;-)
    Darren Islar: (heheheh)
    Calvino Rabeni: @mick, I'd say the "who" is a cultural dialectic
    Mickorod Renard: and what about the human desire to hold onto a sort of belief anyway,,even if its stupid
    arabella Ella: to include stuff like intuition and stuff which you can not prove as realities
    Bruce Mowbray: concerning "scientifically proven" -- I think Richard Dawkins ought to take a close look at what neuro-biology is discovering about Zen and Buddhist meditation methods and how they affect the brain.
    stevenaia Michinaga: thought any theory remains so until it is proven, then it a law
    Qt Core: heavy fines for people not passing under stairs ;-)
    Darren Islar: I don't think that Richard Dawkins is right
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ewan
    Bruce Mowbray: hello, Ewan.
    Darren Islar: the arrogance of scientists
    Qt Core: i think he is a fundamentalist atheist, excessive as all fundamentalists
    Darren Islar: hi Ewan
    Qt Core: hi Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: Hi folks!
    Bruce Mowbray: I see rigidity on one end, and chaos at the other end, of a spectrum of mental health.
    Mickorod Renard: well,,the problem is that too many folk, cos he is a renowned scientist,,they believe what he says must be true
    Bruce Mowbray: Dawkins sounds pretty rigid to me... (although I very much enjoyed reading his book "The Blind Watchmaker."
    Darren Islar: I think human nature will prove him wrong
    arabella Ella: ah but he too is interested in power influence and dominance
    Bruce Mowbray: traditional atheism is a pretty militant position.
    Mickorod Renard: what's Noetic science?
    Calvino Rabeni: Dawkins seems like a polemicist - on a crusade, with an axe to grind
    Archmage Atlantis: You've decided, or been allowed to rez, Ewan......wonder which, as you have only your data, and data from others is suspect
    arabella Ella: ah Mick if you Google ‘Noetic Science' it is an extremely interesting topic
    Bruce Mowbray: I think of myself as a non-theist (or a-theist) --- and if pushed to give a label, I call myself a Pantheist.
    Mickorod Renard: well, i do know of it,,I was using it as a question to drive conversation
    Archmage Atlantis: Needs to respond to Bruce
    Archmage Atlantis: This is why I decided to be shamanic
    arabella Ella: apologies Mick but I met someone a couple of years ago who actually works in Noetic Science
    Bruce Mowbray: go for it Arch!
    Archmage Atlantis: Nods
    Bruce Mowbray nods back at Arch.
    Mickorod Renard: no apols Ara,,i was in the wrong,,but please tell us more
    Calvino Rabeni: Do we need people who take extremist positions, like Dawkins?
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps we do need them - - - they sort of define the outer limits of sanity.
    Bruce Mowbray: either very rigid or very chaotic.
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: no, seriously, Cal.
    Mickorod Renard: I think we should hand him over to the inquisition
    Darren Islar: hehehe
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, seriously Bruce. We need our role models
    Calvino Rabeni: of how not necessarily to be
    Ewan Bonham: Is there not a kernel of truth in every point of view?
    arabella Ella: well seems like Dawkins will cost a bomb for British security during the Pope's visit
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, Ewan
    Mickorod Renard: it would be cheaper to give every Catholic a free ticket to Rome
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Ewan Bonham: LOL...are you serious Mick?
    arabella Ella: on a no frills airline it would
    Mickorod Renard: Ryan Air do very cheap tickets
    arabella Ella: indeed they do
    Bruce Mowbray thinks that in British history this has done this before--- Oliver Cromwell, etc.
    Bruce Mowbray hopes there won't be a re-run.
    Mickorod Renard: I got flights to Malta for the retreat for under £50 return
    arabella Ella: in the UK people are being asked to donate (I think they are using the word donate) between 10 to 25 sterling for attending events
    Ewan Bonham: Have u heard of an Inquisition?
    arabella Ella: yes Ewan of course
    Bruce Mowbray: another one, Ewan?
    arabella Ella: well the Catholic Church still has its own courts with judges etc
    arabella Ella: following canon law
    Mickorod Renard: I get one every night I get home late
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Darren Islar: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: radical Islam seems pretty close to being an inquisition. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: (an example of the "rigid" mental imbalance I spoke of earlier.)
    arabella Ella: it is likely that radical 'anything' could be perceived that way Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Bruce Mowbray: even radical Quakers - to be sure!
    Ewan Bonham: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I think what is needed is more intelligent "middle way" thinking and processes, to overcome the polarization of extremes and fundamentalists
    Calvino Rabeni: The center seems hollow
    Mickorod Renard: although I have little passion for the inquisition, I think that they gave you a chance to answer their questions,,that may be more relaxed than the Islamic version
    arabella Ella: I don't think so Mick


    Archmage Atlantis: those of us who quake and shake, ..........and who live with the other animals......we know
    Bruce Mowbray could not agree more -- while still defending the rights of the crazy to be crazy -- as long as they don't interfere with others.
    Archmage Atlantis: It is the human choice
    Archmage Atlantis: That will become
    Calvino Rabeni: Not interfere *too much* with others
    Mickorod Renard: was Bill Hayley a Quaker?
    Archmage Atlantis: bye for this time - in this universe - in this multiplicity
    arabella Ella: bye Arch
    Mickorod Renard: so tell me, Ara,,is Noetic science recognized as a science?
    Calvino Rabeni: However, Bruce, I don't think of them as "crazy" because that implies to me some kind of norm I don't necessarily subscribe to
    Darren Islar: bye Arch :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Walt Whitman: "I think I could turn and live with animals, they're so placid and self contain'd, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins, They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago, Not one is respectable or unhappy over the earth. ...."
    arabella Ella: I'm afraid I don't know Mick and I guess you would have to ask 'by who' as it is probably perceived as a science by those who practice it
    arabella Ella: but it would obviously have opponents too
    Mickorod Renard: thank you
    arabella Ella: however I like the way it tries to show that there is more to reality than that which science says there is
    arabella Ella: science as traditionally conceived i mean
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, there are extremes to interpretation and adherence to 'science' as well..
    Mickorod Renard: I think it may well define the boundaries of what is acceptable in a scientific nature
    Ewan Bonham: Especially as I see it applied to human nature..
    arabella Ella: it definitely raises a number of questions
    Mickorod Renard: are my fish still here?
    Bruce Mowbray: nope, your fish have been gone for a couple of days, Mick.
    Bruce Mowbray: They may have migrated.
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Bruce
    Calvino Rabeni: Noetic sciences is an outgrowth of the human potential movement of the US in the sixties - along with humanistic psychology and therapy movements - when it sought to legitimize itself through adopting the rhetoric and some appealing ideas from science
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a very USA type of idea
    arabella Ella: but I do not feel competent to say more on the topic
    Mickorod Renard: i bet they were beginning to smell
    arabella Ella: oh i think i had them for dinner last night Mick
    arabella Ella: grilled with a dash of lemon
    Bruce Mowbray rushes to cover Blub's ears.
    Darren Islar: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: In other words, Noetic Science is a religious movement with a dash of science thrown in
    Mickorod Renard: I saw in the science journal today that there is scientific interest in exploring the benefits of LSD and so forth now
    Calvino Rabeni: not a scientific field
    Ewan Bonham: Ara, don't you use garlic where you come from?
    arabella Ella: oh but Blub is not an 'ordinary' fish, Blub is special
    arabella Ella: i only use garlic occasionally Ewan
    arabella Ella: but garlic is very Mediterranean yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Please don't tell my narcissistic fish that he's special. -- I'll never hear the end of his bubbling about that!
    Qt Core: but usually a little too strong for fish
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, that's why I thought...
    arabella Ella: gurgle gurgle Blub
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Ewan Bonham: Well it goes to show we don't always use scientific thinking
    arabella Ella agrees with Qt (yet again)
    Qt Core: :-) ara
    Mickorod Renard: qt,,any news on the Assisi retreat?
    Qt Core: no but I'm not the organizer... only the nearer ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: I looked on web site but no info
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Cal: Is the word "crazy" ever appropriate?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes - "like, craaazy, man!"
    Bruce Mowbray: OK -- as an adjective but not a noun, then?
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it works best as an adverb
    Bruce Mowbray: cool. It works well as an adverb to describe some of my thinking, for sure.
    Calvino Rabeni: heheh
    Mickorod Renard: i guess one day someone will post info on the Assisi trip
    Qt Core: yes, i spend some time trying to decide witch kind of transport use to get there ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: QT,,was there a funny looking moon last week?
    Bruce Mowbray: funny looking moon?
    Mickorod Renard: or was it just distortion from atmosphere here in UK?
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm. . . .
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,looked a bit stretched out to me
    Bruce Mowbray: wow.


    Qt Core: i don't think, there was a couple days with the moon visible in the morning (i like the moon in the day)
    Qt Core: that would probably be some atmospheric trick
    Mickorod Renard: I kept closing one eye when looking at it,,because it felt like I was drunk and couldn't focus on it
    Mickorod Renard: anyone have any luck seeing St. Lawrence's tears?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes -- the Perseod Meteor shower -- I saw a few.
    Mickorod Renard: I was disappointed
    Bruce Mowbray: too cloudy?
    Mickorod Renard: cloud cover etc
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: yeah. . . what a drag. Like going halfway around the world to see a solar eclipse and then having there be a hurricane....
    Mickorod Renard: did that happen to you Bruce?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, see ya
    Mickorod Renard: bye steve
    Qt Core: bye steve
    Bruce Mowbray: nope. . . i think Qt is the one who chases eclipse --(But I might have the wrong guy, sorry)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye steve!
    Qt Core: yes, but luckily it wasn't an hurricane, only regular rain
    Mickorod Renard: yes, QT is the traveling eclipse man
    Bruce Mowbray tends to exaggerate to make a point (and attract attention to the fish).
    Qt Core: surviving an hurricane would have been interesting, btw
    Bruce Mowbray: They've just had one in Nova Scotia, you know.
    Bruce Mowbray: Tens of thousands without power.                
    Mickorod Renard: a hurricane?
    Bruce Mowbray: yep. Hurricane Earl.
    Mickorod Renard: oh yes,,i saw something about that
    Bruce Mowbray: I hope that Windhorse Ranch is OK.
    Mickorod Renard: probably got rid of some rotting logs
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: "Sit like a frog, and lie down like a rotting log...."
    Bruce Mowbray: May have to find something else to lie down like, now.
    Mickorod Renard: Mohammed Ali?
    Calvino Rabeni: The whole list was pretty good, I forget which session it was from
    Mickorod Renard: I must check out the Friends meeting hall,,see how many good looking ladies visit

    Bruce Mowbray: Good luck, Mick!  They meet Saturdays at 10 a.m. SLT and Wednesdays at 7 p.m. SLT.


    Mickorod Renard: ok,,must go home now
    arabella Ella: bye Mick
    Mickorod Renard: See You all soon,,thanks for the chat
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Mick!
    Mickorod Renard: thanks
    Qt Core: bye Mick
    Darren Islar: bye Mick :)
    Ewan Bonham: Bye Mick
    Qt Core: sleep time for me, bye all


    Bruce Mowbray: good night, Qt -- Thanks for being here.
    Darren Islar: bye QT :)
    arabella Ella: notte Qt
    arabella Ella: I must go too
    Darren Islar: bye Ara, Ewan :)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye arabella and Ewan..Thanks!
    Ewan Bonham: Bye folks
    arabella Ella: good night everyone and thanks for an interesting evening!
    Bruce Mowbray is curious about locating underground rivers using divining rods.
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome back, If.
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you dowse, Bruce?
    Darren Islar: what is Bruce doing?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I have done that -- with great success, actually.
    Bruce Mowbray: If, are you aware that we post our chats on the web -- in a wiki?
    Bruce Mowbray: and may we have your permission to post anything you type in the chat box?
    Bruce Mowbray: if not -- then I will delete it -- no problem.
    If Adzior: excuse me
    If Adzior: someone speak Spanish???
    Bruce Mowbray: we have a wiki (see in the notecard I just gave you, please).
    Bruce Mowbray: I do not - - - not well, anyway.
    Bruce Mowbray: Others might -- but we generally use English here.
    Darren Islar: I don't, sorry
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you have a translator, If?
    Calvino Rabeni: Solamente un poco ... como un turista :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Pero todos aqui hablan Ingles. Que lastima!
    If Adzior: jeje
    If Adzior: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Nos hablemos Ingles. Lo siento.
    If Adzior: I'm reading your web site
    Bruce Mowbray: cool.
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you also do dowsing, Cal?
    Bruce Mowbray: [just curious, of course]
    Bruce Mowbray: wow. synchronicity -- The blaring music in this sports bar just played a song about curiosity.
    If Adzior: What do you do here???
    Bruce Mowbray: We meet four times a day - all around the world -- every six hours.
    Bruce Mowbray: and we talk about whatever interests us -- Often we talk about mindfulness, awareness, and other things...
    If Adzior: aja
    If Adzior: Zazen style??? for example
    Bruce Mowbray: may we post your comments in the chat box, please?


    Bruce Mowbray: yes -- Zazen is sometimes a topic for discussion -- and anything else (literally) -- but often subjects related to mindfulness.
    If Adzior: ajá
    Bruce Mowbray: We have been meeting (this session ) since 1 p.m. SLT.
    Bruce Mowbray: over two hours. . . and it is now time for me to leave the bar and go home to take a walk with my dog.
    Bruce Mowbray: con mi perro.
    Calvino Rabeni: adios amigo
    If Adzior: ok
    Darren Islar: bye Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Cal. bye, Darren. bye If.
    Bruce Mowbray: come back if you can, If.
    If Adzior: bye bye cal
    Calvino Rabeni: I must go also - to the garden in RL
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye for now, be well :)
    If Adzior: ok
    If Adzior: see you so
    If Adzior: thanks
    Darren Islar: bye
    If Adzior: ;)
    If Adzior: see you
    If Adzior: bye Darr

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