2010.09.09 19:00 - Pursuit of Happyness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The lack of comments is by Calvino Rabeni.

    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Luci!
    Bruce Mowbray: hello, Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: things are quite slow today
    Bruce Mowbray: we're just getting started. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: Here's Cal to get the ball rolling.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Cal.
    Bruce Mowbray: See! What did I just tell you?!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hey, where did that kimono clad beauty pop in from ! ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, steve. Come on over and join our happy throng.
    Calvino Rabeni: Bruce, cinda, steve, minus Cinda - hello
    stevenaia Michinaga: what happened to Lucinda
    Bruce Mowbray: I think you scardd Luci away, Cal.
    Bruce Mowbray: scared.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yep
    stevenaia Michinaga: happens alot
    Bruce Mowbray: When she pops back in, steve, she will probably arrive on top of you.
    stevenaia Michinaga: how many is a throng?
    Calvino Rabeni: that's what I was thinking
    Calvino Rabeni: A sarong?
    Bruce Mowbray considers quantifying "throng."
    Calvino Rabeni: two's company, three's a throng
    Bruce Mowbray: Then, that makes us a throng.
    stevenaia Michinaga: no wikipidia entry, but there are definitions
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t think we quality
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't forget to include Blub in the census.
    Calvino Rabeni: Why are fishes so intelligent ... because they're aways in school
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha ha!!
    Bruce Mowbray: Good one!
    stevenaia Michinaga: recalibrates my sence of humor for this evening
    Calvino Rabeni: I would certainly hope so Stevenaia, for all our sakes
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Cal, your contributions at the theme session today were wonderful.
    Bruce Mowbray: Some many brilliant metaphors -- to add to my collection.
    Calvino Rabeni: TY, well I had a lot to say, I hope others got a word in edgewise
    Bruce Mowbray: It was GREAT ---
    stevenaia Michinaga: link to session?
    Bruce Mowbray: Just a sec -- I will get it, steve.
    Calvino Rabeni: OK all you PaB log readers, PLEASE interrupt me any time the spirit moves you :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx
    stevenaia Michinaga: oh, as I was posting my recent sessin I left come good comments for you cal
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I couldn;t find the "indent" tool
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, it can't be lost ? ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Ooops.. Chat log for that session (1 p.m. this afternoon) not posted yet.
    stevenaia Michinaga: loved spellcheck and the elimination of the "follow me" format tools
    stevenaia Michinaga: that drove me silly
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been using computers so long, I was silly even before Al Gore invented the Internet
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, I had one of those timex-sinclair computers
    Bruce Mowbray: I had a Commodore 64.
    stevenaia Michinaga: guess we are older than we look
    Calvino Rabeni: Just how long ... (bragging contest?) well my father brought home colored wires from the computer lab for me to play with in the crib
    Bruce Mowbray: Actually, before the '64' I had an earlier model of the Commodore.
    Calvino Rabeni: They hadn't invented "ASCII" yet
    Calvino Rabeni: And it was a great innovation when a "bit" was a square hole in a piece of paper
    Bruce Mowbray: Mmmm.. I was programming in DOS about 5 or 6 years before Windows came into being.
    Calvino Rabeni: We used to program using toggle switches and one push button
    Bruce Mowbray: I remember when "Turbo Basic" happened on the scene -- and it had a "compiler" and I thought I'd found heaven.
    Bruce Mowbray: So -- you were using assembly language, then, Cal?
    Bruce Mowbray: sort of rock bottom?
    stevenaia Michinaga: ok, I was programing fortran in high school with punchcards for each line
    stevenaia Michinaga: that was a pain to edit
    Bruce Mowbray: wow. . .. That's amazing, steve.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ewan.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: Hi guys..
    Bruce Mowbray: I forget what they called it -- Assembly language -- or "machine" language. . . .?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Ewan. Same here, Stevenaia.
    Calvino Rabeni: And then someone invented high level language for the "rest of us" and said
    Calvino Rabeni: LET A = A + 1
    Calvino Rabeni: And I thought - lotta good that will do ...A can't be something and something else at the same time.
    stevenaia Michinaga: and there was A-1
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) and there was light -- and it was good.
    Calvino Rabeni: but did a double take at first
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you do any computer programing, Ewan?
    Calvino Rabeni: And the next quantum leap - was variables A1 - A9 through Z1 - Z9
    Calvino Rabeni: all the variables anyone could ever possibly need
    Ewan Bonham: No, I have not had the privilege or th interest.
    Ewan Bonham: I do make use of much software and web based applications..
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice you can program with w/o code now
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, we all do, I guess. . . such is the way of the world.
    Ewan Bonham: And i do not care to be that meticulous and detailed..:))
    Bruce Mowbray: The only programing I've done has all been recreational. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and now I use only Visual Basic. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: It is a fun discipline --
    Bruce Mowbray: Computers are dumber than screw drivers -- so you have to be precise.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'll be out walking -- or something -- and an idea will pop into my head. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: like, why not try to make a program that solves Sudoku puzzles...
    Bruce Mowbray: and then I go home and write that program.
    Bruce Mowbray: Purely for fun.
    Ewan Bonham: hmmmm..
    Bruce Mowbray: (weirdly wired, I guess).
    stevenaia Michinaga: it should be for "fun"
    Ewan Bonham: if it is fun, then it is worth it..:)
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd starve if I had to do it for a living.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm amused that people pay me for wht I do
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) really?
    stevenaia Michinaga: you really don;t need compensation for the fun stuff
    stevenaia Michinaga: except to eat, ofcourse
    stevenaia Michinaga: I thought Paradise was away this next week ot two.
    Ewan Bonham: If it is fun, then i find I can do it better..
    Bruce Mowbray: It's cool how our species (any others, as well) seemed to be geared for "fun."
    stevenaia Michinaga: "Play"
    Bruce Mowbray: Evolution knew what she was doing, maybe.
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe not.
    Ewan Bonham: I think fun is our natural state..
    Bruce Mowbray: I would like to think so --- but then addiction creeps in. . . for some.
    Calvino Rabeni: They will be pretty good at it compared to any cat that grows up alone
    stevenaia Michinaga: well, there is life liberty and persuit of Happyness
    Calvino Rabeni: I have 2 kittens, and they spend a lot of the day play-fighting
    Bruce Mowbray: So, "play" is a way of learning survival skills?
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: I can't believe you said that, Steve.
    Calvino Rabeni: Indeed
    stevenaia Michinaga: Happyness=fun?
    Bruce Mowbray: I just finished watching a DVD of that movie!!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: Will Smith and his son.
    stevenaia Michinaga: which movie?
    Bruce Mowbray: I cried.
    Bruce Mowbray: The Pursuit of Happyness.
    Calvino Rabeni: I remember it
    stevenaia Michinaga: yo would recommend it?
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454921/
    Bruce Mowbray: omg, yes!
    Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful flick.
    Bruce Mowbray: 2006.
    Bruce Mowbray: Setting is San Francisco - 1981.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the poignant scene took place in a restroom
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Benjamin.
    Calvino Rabeni: (as I recall? maybe in the subway)
    Benjamin Greycloak: hey bruce
    Benjamin Greycloak: and others
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh -- The restroom scene (the "cave" in the BART station) -- absolutely broke me up.
    Calvino Rabeni: I remember it well
    Bruce Mowbray: How wonderful that father's love for his son.
    stevenaia Michinaga: don't they all?
    Calvino Rabeni: Where did it end, back with the son's mother?
    Ewan Bonham: Steve, are you just having trouble rezzing tonight?
    Ewan Bonham: Or are you being transparent?
    Calvino Rabeni: Steve looks svelte to me
    stevenaia Michinaga: drins
    Bruce Mowbray: It ended with --- wait -- I can't give away the ending (!)
    stevenaia Michinaga: grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: I often miss the obvious
    Bruce Mowbray: The movie raised all sorts of "father" issues for me -- and answered them - though vicariously.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pila
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2866449408/tt0454921
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Pila.
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Pila
    Bruce Mowbray: Aloha!
    Pila Mulligan: hmm ... significant lag
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: Takes a long time to cross the Pacific Ocean.
    Calvino Rabeni: I liked this movie - Secondhand Lions - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327137/
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes. . . I liked that one, too!
    Bruce Mowbray: I have it on DVD, in fact -- as well as The Pursuit of Happyness.
    Ewan Bonham: That was a touching film..
    Calvino Rabeni: I have it and Ratatoille
    Calvino Rabeni: It was touching - some good thoughts on many soft subjects
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey Cal -- Did you see "Legends of the Fall" ?
    Calvino Rabeni: No, is it a western?
    Bruce Mowbray: powerful men's issues movie.
    Bruce Mowbray: It is a sort of "western" -- but with deep issues for men.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, i like those reflections
    Bruce Mowbray: Good, Ewan. You saw the movie?
    stevenaia Michinaga: men, I remember them
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110322/
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, i did..
    Ewan Bonham: Some time ago..
    Bruce Mowbray: I saw the show when I was sitll in my men's group -- and it provoked weeks of discussion.
    Bruce Mowbray: 1994 it came out.
    Bruce Mowbray: Epic tale of three brothers and their father living in the remote wilderness of 1900s USA and how their lives are affected by nature, history, war, and love.
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi4019519769/
    Ewan Bonham: The times may have changes...but the enduring bond between th men remained..
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "the enduring bond between the men. . . "
    Bruce Mowbray ponders: "the underground river. . . "
    Ewan Bonham: I do think that is true for all people...but in the case of this movie, it was between men.
    Ewan Bonham: And the men grew to be quite different outwardly..
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes -- agreed, Ewan.
    Ewan Bonham: But they had the same roots and deep down a devotion to each other..
    Bruce Mowbray: A deep devotion.
    Pila Mulligan: maybe as siblings they also had a strong karma relationship (Meher Baba once said karma is strong among siblings)
    Calvino Rabeni: do you know memer baba, pila?
    Pila Mulligan: maybe as fictional siblings in a story of course
    Bruce Mowbray knows nothing about karma -- except theoretically.
    Pila Mulligan: Meher Baba -- yes
    Pila Mulligan: Memer ... :) ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meher_Baba
    Pila Mulligan: "From July 10, 1925 to the end of his life, Meher Baba maintained silence" -- but he still communicated and wrote books
    Bruce Mowbray: Sufi, Vendata, Mystic -- yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: died in 1969.
    Bruce Mowbray: Folks -- I am to bed.
    Bruce Mowbray: May all be well and happy.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, me too
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: Good night.
    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you.
    Pila Mulligan: bye
    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings to PaB from archy and mehitabel by way of the time machine
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.donmarquis.com/archy/
    Pila Mulligan: "Mehitabel is an alley cat with a celebrated past -- she claims she was Cleopatra in a previous life" -- must be from Marin County
    Ewan Bonham: LOL
    Calvino Rabeni: yep
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: this was beat poetry before there was beat
    Pila Mulligan: heavily populated with former Egyptian royalty
    Pila Mulligan: "Marquis was a writer for The Evening Sun in New York when, in 1916, he introduced Archy the cockroach in his daily column, The Sun Dial." -- that really was early
    Calvino Rabeni: And the rumour was archy was a poet reincarneated as a cockroach for writing free verse poetry
    Pila Mulligan: 30 years before Kerouac
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: reminiscent of what passes for writing in the text chats of the world
    Pila Mulligan: sent off to join the ancients, eh :)
    Ewan Bonham: Who could substantiate the rumor.
    Calvino Rabeni: Because he was a cockroach, Archy was unable to operate the shift key on the typewriter (he jumped on each key to type; since using shift requires two keys to be pressed simultaneously, he physically could not use capitals), and so all of his verse was written without capitalization or punctuation"
    Calvino Rabeni: Archie threw his whole body into each and every character that he typed
    Calvino Rabeni: it took tremendous energy and force of will
    Calvino Rabeni: resulting in a certain focus and power of expression
    Calvino Rabeni: and a koan like quality
    Calvino Rabeni: that cockroach was the man
    Ewan Bonham: Notunlike us..
    Pila Mulligan: so in the story archie's change of species (man to cockroach) was played as a favorable thing, it seems
    Pila Mulligan: human*
    Calvino Rabeni: there is always something to be thankful for you would not think that a cockroach had much ground for optimism but as the fishing season opens up i grow more and more cheerful at the thought that nobody ever got the notion of using cockroaches for bait archy
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Ewan Bonham: lol
    Pila Mulligan: the cockroach family represents the oldest critters on earth I believe
    Ewan Bonham: Aside ferom bacteria
    Ewan Bonham: from
    Pila Mulligan: "earliest cockroach-like fossils are from the Carboniferous period between 354???295 million years ago."
    Pila Mulligan: that's pretty ancient
    Pila Mulligan: so archie had a strong genetic memory
    Calvino Rabeni: so archy was saying something like
    Calvino Rabeni: well i am a little disappointed about the roach poison
    Calvino Rabeni: down in the furnace room
    Calvino Rabeni: i just dont get the kick out of it that i used to
    Pila Mulligan: well, I'm off to RL for a while -- nice to see you Cal and Ewan -- bye for now
    Pila Mulligan: oh, and hi and bye Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: hi Pila
    Ewan Bonham: Bye Pila..
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: I was bumped off earlier...
    Calvino Rabeni: Bumped off ? someone put out a "hit" on you?
    Lucinda Lavender: well not that kind of bump I guess
    Ewan Bonham: LOL
    Lucinda Lavender: what has been your topic this eve?
    Lucinda Lavender: wow...pretty slow tonight
    Ewan Bonham: We were talking about relience..
    Ewan Bonham: Resilience
    Lucinda Lavender: oh... interesting
    Ewan Bonham: At first in men and then in cock roaches
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: How's you're weekend coming Cinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: more empty spots:)
    Lucinda Lavender: done working on the rental
    Calvino Rabeni: And by any chance are you in need of plums ? :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: it has been a first week of school...pretty busy...and I look forward to a normal weekend
    Lucinda Lavender: how about you both?
    Ewan Bonham: Well, good night and thanks for the nice chat.
    Lucinda Lavender: good night Ewan...
    Calvino Rabeni: I have to go too ... take care Cinda

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